A) Re-sign him to big extension
B) Let him Walk
C) Only a 1-year Prove it Deal
After seeing the D last week does anyone think we should devote big cap $$$ to Collins? I would personally just let Michael Thomas play there and look for a speedy FS.
Yes - he's the defensive captain. But I also have a sneaking suspicion Gettleman will let him walk and use the $$$ to beef up the OL and front 7.
Where do you stand?
That’s what I was thinking. Riley hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire!
Watching closely it seems Bettcher's scheme is most effective with guys who have multiple assignments. BBI has soured on his coverage abilities but imo there are many coverage assignments he can succeed in, and of course there are other contain/run assignments that he succeeds in as well. With his talent there are many, many things he can do. I think the NYG know this and will make him a nice long-term offer. Looking at what quality safeties make in the league I think JonC is right on the money wrt the offer and ultimate take.
That's my fear. I think with the guys we now have at CB, we're OK there with Beal. But missing 2 decent safeties is hard to fill. Don't want 2 JAGs there.
I know this doesn't give any picks should Collins leave but it has some interesting options.
First of all, we can match any deal he signs elsewhere letting us see what the market it like.
If the deal is likely to be more than we are comfortable paying, it will be a fairly substantial contract which increases the value for the compensationary pick formula.
Team building wise though, its hard to pay a SS that kind of money. If it comes down to him or Sterling Sheppard, I think Shepard has a bigger impact. But also, would take him over olgetree, another player i like but don't like spending big money on.
Curtis Riley should only be brought back in a backup/ST role. He has been absolutely awful for most of the season with the exception of a few plays. He is dreadful versus the run and often takes terrible angles that lead to big gains. The safety position is in need for another overhaul.
Two out of three NFL plays are pass plays.
The back seven has to be able to pass cover.
Even if you moved him to lb he still would have to cover and pass coverage is simply not within his skill set
If the Reese / Ross years proved anything, it is that you cannot build a winning team by continually letting your better players walk away instead of giving them a second contract. You can't grossly overpay a guy, but you can't let decent players walk for average money either.
OK, he's not a great cover guy. They need to get a center fielder who is one - and another one for the bench, need to continue to beef up the corners, and let Collins do what he does best which is run support. The run game is still important, especially to cold weather teams in cold weather divisions like the NFC East minus Dallass.
Let’s see him one more year under Betcher(sp) system
He has his weaknesses but he's a playmaker. In today's NFL, it's okay to give up yardage, the rules favor that, but you need guys that come up with big plays that create turnovers or stall drives. Collins does that at a high rate. When the players around him do their job he can be the best player on a top defense, which was the case in 16. You don't just let a guy like that walk.
I literally elaborated in the very next sentence and he almost won defensive MVP a couple years ago based on exactly what I described.
Allow yourself an easy exit after a year or two if he doesn't turn out to be a difference maker once we surround him with the talent JonC wants.
Set your value, and stick to it, only exceeding it slightly. I don't pretend to be a savvy evaluator, but I get the gut feeling that he isn't worth a kick ass contract. He's worth bringing back, but you can't go crazy. There's only so many huge contracts you can afford, and I don't think it's a slam dunk he should be one of them
Obviously, we need to see what happens the rest of the year, and what other options are available at what price. If we barely miss a beat with him out, close the doors of that money wagon.
He isn’t the greatest cover guy, but a safety on a TE is often a mismatch simply due to size. I don’t know what kind of money it would take to sign him but I’d do it as long as it isn’t crazy money.
Options are tag him or extend him and it's going to be expensive.
Collins IS a top 5 safety in the NFL - and I'm not just talking about SS.
Dude had a NFL type season in 2016. How quickly we forget.
It's not that he won't receive a longterm offer elsewhere: it's that his market value (may be) down. If it is, he can sign a 1-year prove it deal in NY, attempt to re-establish his market value and then become a FA in 2020.
Of course, if someone backs up the BRINKS truck he's gone, but short of that, the 1-year deal could be a smart move on his part.
It wouldn't shock me if someone in the NFL was willing to make him the highest paid safety in the league.
This.
This team needs talented players. Letting him walk just creates another hole that needs to be filled. We could do alot worse than Collins back there.
Despite our recent winning ways, I still feel like we need a near total overhaul in our LB and DB corps, not to mention our OL and potentially a Franchise QB.
Re-signing LC means one less desperate need for us to address in March/April.
Or it may be a different position that should get the bucks. Would a good center and an ok SS make more sense, for example.
In a vacuum, it's easy to say give him the money and retain him, but it's not a vacuum.
The Giants should keep Collins because he runs and hits and blitzes and tackles better than other player on the defense.
But Collins, as he has revealed himself to be an imperfect safety who doesn't cover too well, has to realize that he is not going to get a monster salary from another team now that he will be returning from surgery.
I hope that he won't make the same mistake that nearly every other free agent who chose to leave the Giants has made, which is overvaluing himself. Starting with Steve Smith and Kevin Bossy and Plax, what these guys wound up with was a short stay with the teams that took them in.
The smart thing for him to do is to stay home with the Giants and keep his career moving along.
As for the Giants, do they really want to add a safety to the shopping list that includes already the very expensive positions of QB and pass rusher?
But we want him...
In his 4 years here he's had one great season and three average seasons. IMO a one year prove-it deal is fine.
He's a better coverage guy than he's being portrayed--not great, but liveable. Frankly, it's bad scheming to place and measure him in coverage versus "the George Kittles" of the NFL, especially given the non-pass rush in the first 7-10 games.
I love Landon---I'm wearing his Shirt today.