A) Re-sign him to big extension
B) Let him Walk
C) Only a 1-year Prove it Deal
After seeing the D last week does anyone think we should devote big cap $$$ to Collins? I would personally just let Michael Thomas play there and look for a speedy FS.
Yes - he's the defensive captain. But I also have a sneaking suspicion Gettleman will let him walk and use the $$$ to beef up the OL and front 7.
Where do you stand?
No way you can pay him like an all-star ball-hawking free safety.
Collins Market Value per Spotrac - ( New Window )
Mark Barron did it. Deone Bucannon did it.
It would only serve to benefit his career.
That doesn't tell me he's seen as a future building block.
I'll opine after the final game.
Michael Thomas is not a starting quality SS in the NFL.
Seems like the kind of player coaches love. Hard nosed, team oriented, leader, but I have no idea what they will or should do.
Saying the defense was good last week without him isn t really fair. That was a decimated team who has quit on the season emotionally.
Michael Thomas is not a starting quality SS in the NFL.
Mark Barron is 1 inch taller and 6 pounds lighter.
Collins in a Hybrid position would be the best for him and the Giants.
But JonC is smarter than me.
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I'd look to keep him if it's in the $10M per range. He's a damned good SS but needs talent around him so he focuses on his assignments, see : 2016.
Michael Thomas is not a starting quality SS in the NFL.
Mark Barron is 1 inch taller and 6 pounds lighter.
Collins in a Hybrid position would be the best for him and the Giants.
But JonC is smarter than me.
Look at their body types and how the weight is distributed over their frames. Those making the transition are built differently than LC, and you should want to preserve his health too. In a hybrid role, he could get some LB looks as he has this season in certain packages. But, a full time move does not compute.
That is not why he is here
If he can't pass a physical by whatever the appropriate date is, I can see the Giants removing the tag, and offering a 1yr deal for less. Most teams will have issues getting him in under that cap. We saw what happened this year to safeties...
Figure his camp pushes for $12M per as a floor, and they settle between 10-12, is my guesstimation.
You may be right. But...can the Giants get a decent FS and SS with all the other needs?
given the amount of passing yards that teams regularly put up, I'm not sure where all these other shut down safeties are throughout the league.
Figure his camp pushes for $12M per as a floor, and they settle between 10-12, is my guesstimation.
They don't do it for every player, but it seems to be quite specific. With the FT being about $12M, he will want to start there. My question regarding the rehab is will he be healthy enough to pass a physical when FA opens? No GM will sign Collins without a physical. If he misses out on the initial wave of FA, he might have to settle for our best offer even on a short term basis to reestablish his market value. We saw last off-season the market fall for safeties that languished on the market past the initial wave of FA.
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open market inflation.
Figure his camp pushes for $12M per as a floor, and they settle between 10-12, is my guesstimation.
They don't do it for every player, but it seems to be quite specific. With the FT being about $12M, he will want to start there. My question regarding the rehab is will he be healthy enough to pass a physical when FA opens? No GM will sign Collins without a physical. If he misses out on the initial wave of FA, he might have to settle for our best offer even on a short term basis to reestablish his market value. We saw last off-season the market fall for safeties that languished on the market past the initial wave of FA.
Labrum repair can range 3-6 months, probably why they chose to get it done now and watch out for his future. Agree on the open market for safeties falling off, and SS are typically "easier" to find in the college ranks, plug them in and play downhill.
He's supposed to be very good.
That’s what I was thinking. Riley hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire!
Watching closely it seems Bettcher's scheme is most effective with guys who have multiple assignments. BBI has soured on his coverage abilities but imo there are many coverage assignments he can succeed in, and of course there are other contain/run assignments that he succeeds in as well. With his talent there are many, many things he can do. I think the NYG know this and will make him a nice long-term offer. Looking at what quality safeties make in the league I think JonC is right on the money wrt the offer and ultimate take.
That's my fear. I think with the guys we now have at CB, we're OK there with Beal. But missing 2 decent safeties is hard to fill. Don't want 2 JAGs there.
I know this doesn't give any picks should Collins leave but it has some interesting options.
First of all, we can match any deal he signs elsewhere letting us see what the market it like.
If the deal is likely to be more than we are comfortable paying, it will be a fairly substantial contract which increases the value for the compensationary pick formula.
Team building wise though, its hard to pay a SS that kind of money. If it comes down to him or Sterling Sheppard, I think Shepard has a bigger impact. But also, would take him over olgetree, another player i like but don't like spending big money on.