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What a great game by the officials

dep026 : 12/13/2018 11:31 pm
Just ruining the sport. Both ways. Just pathetic officiating.
Can the NFL find some refs  
Scuzzlebutt : 12/13/2018 11:33 pm : link
under 80 who can actually see and keep up with the speed of the game?
It’s every game...  
bw in dc : 12/13/2018 11:35 pm : link
every week.

I’ve said it numerous times - the NFL loves it. They view football as a television show. And the controversy just adds to the drama.
RE: It’s every game...  
dep026 : 12/13/2018 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14218169 bw in dc said:
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every week.

I’ve said it numerous times - the NFL loves it. They view football as a television show. And the controversy just adds to the drama.


KC up 14-0... they called an absolute horrific hold on KC to extend a drive ion 3rd down to kee a drive going.

Embarrassing.
Why they can't  
Zeke's Alibi : 12/13/2018 11:36 pm : link
just move to the college system blows my mind. There are always going to be bad calls, but at the college level you rarely get the feel the refs are interjecting themselves in the final outcome. The NFL insists on this weird mashup where not only do they get the calls wrong but they also slow the game down.
What makes it worse  
moespree : 12/13/2018 11:39 pm : link
Is all the ex-refs all these networks hire are nothing but NFL lackeys. The closest you'll ever get to Pereira saying they were wrong is "oh, well that's a tough call". I've noticed over the last month that Aikman has totally had it with him and with the calls. And he's getting more vocal by the week.
And listening to Ferriera  
kennyd : 12/13/2018 11:40 pm : link
or Balandino try to justify it it is just sickening. I know they're trying to protect their product but JFC, a blind man can see how bad these calls are!
Not only that, but it's killing the pace of the game...  
sb from NYT Forum : 12/13/2018 11:45 pm : link
...it's so freakin boring with all these stoppages.

I'm sure the NFL and networks love it because of the increased commercials, but they are going to lose potential new fans.
Rivers got smoked in the helmet late in the game  
FranknWeezer : 12/13/2018 11:53 pm : link
When he was running and his knee had already touched the ground. No call. Hate to see his whining, but in this instance he was right.
Walt Anderson Crew  
clatterbuck : 12/13/2018 11:59 pm : link
strikes again.
I missed the game.  
mattyblue : 12/14/2018 12:11 am : link
Looks like it was a good one. Everyone blames the refs but (again didn’t see the game) a lot of the problems with officiating seems to be the rules themselves. They leave too much room for interpretation. Why does catch vs no catch have to be a big topic in every other game?

I respect player safety stuff as it’s the only way football will continue to be played. It’s annoying and I really don’t like the bullshit penalties that have to do with protecting QBs more than other players, but it has to be uniform. The putting X amount of weight on a QB was the most ridiculous thing I ever heard of how can that ever be enforced evenly? I use to think Goodel was just a figurehead and thought people were wasting their time hating him. However at this point it’s all just going too far. Even changing the extra point was stupid in my mind. The thing that really drives me nuts is when plays are reviewed and it still doesn’t seem like the right call.
It's impossible to call  
AcesUp : 12/14/2018 12:17 am : link
Every year they're tacking on subjective roughing and holding/interference rules, you can't expect the naked eye to judge these in real time. It's not realistic. Either roll back some these rules, which isn't happening, or take a majority of these guys off the field and stick them in a studio with instant access to the 50 cameras onfield and instant replay.
Helmet to helmet.....  
thrunthrublue : 12/14/2018 12:31 am : link
With river’s knee on the ground, badly missed call followed by a quick “make up” bad call the other way......all under the cover of no replay reviews, feels like Vegas has really gotten to the officials.
the mike  
Allen in CNJ : 12/14/2018 4:57 am : link
williams pushoff on scandrick was blatant..

But there are so many bad calls that we've become almost immune to it. It's sad. And we've been talking about fixing it for years yet nothing is done about it.
the mike  
Allen in CNJ : 12/14/2018 4:57 am : link
williams pushoff on scandrick was blatant..

But there are so many bad calls that we've become almost immune to it. It's sad. And we've been talking about fixing it for years yet nothing is done about it.
it's just 3 hours of entertainment.  
Karl Hungus : 12/14/2018 5:08 am : link
Nothing more, nothing less. No reason to get all worked up. If you are not entertained there's lots of stuff on Netflix.

May the luckiest team "win".
The legalization  
ThatLimerickGuy : 12/14/2018 5:40 am : link
Of sports betting seems to have a lot of you guys in a tizzy.

Refs are great  
micky : 12/14/2018 6:20 am : link
They all deserve raises
I actually learned last night...  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 12/14/2018 6:21 am : link
...that it really is a penalty when the receiver's jersey is held. After watching Giants' games and seeing Beckham's jersey constantly grabbed, I thought that either was no longer a penalty or at least was no longer enforced.
there's no question in my mind that it's getting worse  
markky : 12/14/2018 6:33 am : link
i get pissed when watching non-Giants games at how bad the games are officiated and it's becoming unwatchable.

i think they need to go to the college system.
Thought it was a good game  
Jimmy Googs : 12/14/2018 7:19 am : link
to watch...
I Don t think it s possible  
joeinpa : 12/14/2018 7:23 am : link
Given human limitations to officiate the game as now constructed without getting questionable game chaniging calls.

The game is too fast, too many different angles, and too much left to interpretation. The latter leaves the league vulnerable to inconsistencies.

Only way to improve to some degree is to allow reviews for penalties, which is probably not feasible.
RE: Rivers got smoked in the helmet late in the game  
section125 : 12/14/2018 7:27 am : link
In comment 14218197 FranknWeezer said:
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When he was running and his knee had already touched the ground. No call. Hate to see his whining, but in this instance he was right.


That was inadvertent contact. Both players were on the way to the ground. Not possible for a 240 lb to stop when already in the process of going for the tackle. That was a good non-call. Besides both shoulders collided at virtually the same time. River's antics were the embarrassing part.
Buried in the game..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/14/2018 8:22 am : link
was a fairly severe accusation levied by Aikman. After a 2nd phantom defensive holding penalty that extended a KC TD drive, Aikman said that "a point of emphasis is", he paused, and said "after scoring was down last year, one of the toughest jobs these defenders have is keeping up with the skill positions, especially with the rules".

Without saying it directly, he certainly implied that the league not only is fine with artificially ramping up the scoring, but that the calls are what contribute to it.

The calls that get me are the ones he's frustrated with. I understand if you don't see a jersey grab or a push-off, what I don't get are those penalties where the ref sees something that didn't happen. How do you possibly call a hold if there's no visual evidence of it? What is the impetus for the flag if a hold never occurs?
FMiC, I feel cheated when after  
section125 : 12/14/2018 8:38 am : link
the game I feel the officiating had more to do with the game than the players did.

Seems like I get that feeling more often than not. And I feel it is the same crews that interject themselves into the outcome.

There will be missed calls every game, part of the game. But when it gets that there is a flag every other play, pffft.
I don't think it's just to influence more scoring  
I Love Clams Casino : 12/14/2018 8:38 am : link
there definitely seems to be a bias towards team or another....and it always favors the better story....which bodes really well for the Giants....
section..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/14/2018 8:43 am : link
I just posted in the game thread a variation of that.

I watched the game last night and what should have been exciting, with two teams fighting to the bitter end, I felt like the game was manipulated by the officials on nearly every crucial drive, culminating with the PI call and the debate over the catch.

And if you go and look at a lot of the calls made - there was no reason to throw a flag the vast majority of the time. Players aren't making plays as much as officials are making calls and that doesn't bode well for the enjoyment of the sport.

In fact, it directly detracts from it.
RE: section..  
section125 : 12/14/2018 8:53 am : link
In comment 14218273 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I just posted in the game thread a variation of that.
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Didn't the Rams-Saints game have a worse officiating job than last night? Big games, with huge audiences, and the game hijacked by over zealous officials.

There are teams that push the legal limit on PI and holding as a set plan - Seahawks, Cowboys etc to gain an advantage. But, some of these incidental touches and slight tugs that called and have no effect on the play (especially away from the play) need to be ignored. Like calling a holding penalty in the last few minutes when the same thing was happening all game. Once it gets late, time to swallow the whistle and stop looking to make a call.
Someone above mentioned the ages of the officials  
lawguy9801 : 12/14/2018 8:58 am : link
to borrow from another sport, I believe the Premier League does not allow center referees over a certain (relatively young) age. Younger officials, more able to keep up with the action - perhaps they're onto something?
RE: RE: Rivers got smoked in the helmet late in the game  
Eman11 : 12/14/2018 9:00 am : link
In comment 14218240 section125 said:
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When he was running and his knee had already touched the ground. No call. Hate to see his whining, but in this instance he was right.



That was inadvertent contact. Both players were on the way to the ground. Not possible for a 240 lb to stop when already in the process of going for the tackle. That was a good non-call. Besides both shoulders collided at virtually the same time. River's antics were the embarrassing part.


I'd agree with you if there wasn't contact to Rivers helmet. That call is made 10 out of 10 times when a QB is sliding and I have no idea why it wasn't called, unless for some reason no ref saw it.

Inadvertent is basically when players collide and their helmets make contact. This was a guy diving in and making contact. That's not inadvertent, IMO. If he was trying to avoid it happening then yes, but he wasn't.
RE: And listening to Ferriera  
bradshaw44 : 12/14/2018 9:00 am : link
In comment 14218184 kennyd said:
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or Balandino try to justify it it is just sickening. I know they're trying to protect their product but JFC, a blind man can see how bad these calls are!



What's really funny is when they give their thoughts on what the call will be over 50% of the time it's wrong. Which is alarming.
RE: I don't think it's just to influence more scoring  
bradshaw44 : 12/14/2018 9:13 am : link
In comment 14218269 I Love Clams Casino said:
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there definitely seems to be a bias towards team or another....and it always favors the better story....which bodes really well for the Giants....


Case and point, 2012 15-1 Packers playing the 9-7 Giants in the divisional round of the playoffs. The refs calling a fumble on the Packer RB correctly, after reviewing it is even more obvious that he fumbled, and then they reverse the call. If we hadn't kicked the shit out of GB the remainder of the game the calls would have been too much to overcome.

No doubt in my mind they try and favor the better story.
RE: RE: RE: Rivers got smoked in the helmet late in the game  
dep026 : 12/14/2018 9:17 am : link
In comment 14218292 Eman11 said:
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When he was running and his knee had already touched the ground. No call. Hate to see his whining, but in this instance he was right.



That was inadvertent contact. Both players were on the way to the ground. Not possible for a 240 lb to stop when already in the process of going for the tackle. That was a good non-call. Besides both shoulders collided at virtually the same time. River's antics were the embarrassing part.



I'd agree with you if there wasn't contact to Rivers helmet. That call is made 10 out of 10 times when a QB is sliding and I have no idea why it wasn't called, unless for some reason no ref saw it.

Inadvertent is basically when players collide and their helmets make contact. This was a guy diving in and making contact. That's not inadvertent, IMO. If he was trying to avoid it happening then yes, but he wasn't.


Rivers wasn’t sliding though.
RE: RE: I don't think it's just to influence more scoring  
lawguy9801 : 12/14/2018 9:20 am : link
In comment 14218305 bradshaw44 said:
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there definitely seems to be a bias towards team or another....and it always favors the better story....which bodes really well for the Giants....



Case and point, 2012 15-1 Packers playing the 9-7 Giants in the divisional round of the playoffs. The refs calling a fumble on the Packer RB correctly, after reviewing it is even more obvious that he fumbled, and then they reverse the call. If we hadn't kicked the shit out of GB the remainder of the game the calls would have been too much to overcome.

No doubt in my mind they try and favor the better story.


I still remember the text I got from my Eagles-fan friend: "Man, I hate the Giants, but that call was total bullshit!"
That whole..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/14/2018 9:23 am : link
sequence was fucked up.

Called a fumble on the field. Broadcast went to a commercial. When they come back, Leavy is announcing that the call has been overturned.Not even any disagreement by the announcers. They were just like "Packers retain the ball". Meanwhile I'm having a coronary.
RE: RE: RE: Rivers got smoked in the helmet late in the game  
section125 : 12/14/2018 9:26 am : link
In comment 14218292 Eman11 said:
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Inadvertent is basically when players collide and their helmets make contact. This was a guy diving in and making contact. That's not inadvertent, IMO. If he was trying to avoid it happening then yes, but he wasn't.


That is exactly what happened. The KC LB was going to make the tackle, at the same time the other LB tripped up Rivers. Rivers was on the way down and #44 had already committed to the tackle. The knee down means nothing as there is contact after a player is down on virtually all tackles. The helmet to helmet was inadvertent (not the tackle) as Rivers fell forward. Really, they could call a shoulder to the head if they wanted to do so. #44 was definitely looking to make a tackle. But I want to see you commit to a tackle and 1/4 sec later contort your body to miss contact.
These are bang bang plays and as Rivers was scrambling, he does not get the QB protection, he is a runner.
Karl  
joeinpa : 12/14/2018 9:38 am : link
BBI is not the forum for talking about keeping sports in perspective, nor should it be.

The passion displayed here for good and bad is what fans do. It s why sports can be the great escape.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Rivers got smoked in the helmet late in the game  
Eman11 : 12/14/2018 9:43 am : link
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Inadvertent is basically when players collide and their helmets make contact. This was a guy diving in and making contact. That's not inadvertent, IMO. If he was trying to avoid it happening then yes, but he wasn't.



That is exactly what happened. The KC LB was going to make the tackle, at the same time the other LB tripped up Rivers. Rivers was on the way down and #44 had already committed to the tackle. The knee down means nothing as there is contact after a player is down on virtually all tackles. The helmet to helmet was inadvertent (not the tackle) as Rivers fell forward. Really, they could call a shoulder to the head if they wanted to do so. #44 was definitely looking to make a tackle. But I want to see you commit to a tackle and 1/4 sec later contort your body to miss contact.
These are bang bang plays and as Rivers was scrambling, he does not get the QB protection, he is a runner.


I agree trying to make an adjustment in a split second is near impossible but we've seen it called plenty of times when a player doesn't adjust and makes contact with the head. Even more so when it's a hit on a QB.

To me if it's during a tackle, it's not inadvertent. Inadvertent would be if it happens while trying to avoid a hit or making an attempt at adjusting your hit, eg if the KC defender tried to dive over Rivers and avoid him. We can agree to disagree on that but it seems to me that's the way it's been called.
Next time  
ThatLimerickGuy : 12/14/2018 9:47 am : link
Just follow the late $$ before placing your bets guys. The line moved .5 towards Chargers in the last 1/2 hour before game time. That means something.

Otherwise continue to throw fits about a game that has absolutely no impact on the Giants or even any of our rivals.

Carry on
RE: Next time  
dep026 : 12/14/2018 9:48 am : link
In comment 14218339 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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Just follow the late $$ before placing your bets guys. The line moved .5 towards Chargers in the last 1/2 hour before game time. That means something.

Otherwise continue to throw fits about a game that has absolutely no impact on the Giants or even any of our rivals.

Carry on


how was the line affected by the club in the midwest you go too?
RE: That whole..  
bradshaw44 : 12/14/2018 10:07 am : link
In comment 14218312 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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sequence was fucked up.

Called a fumble on the field. Broadcast went to a commercial. When they come back, Leavy is announcing that the call has been overturned.Not even any disagreement by the announcers. They were just like "Packers retain the ball". Meanwhile I'm having a coronary.



I've never been more angry at the league on a call. After it happened I thought to myself, ok Giants, just smash these F'ers or we aren't going to win. And thank God, that Giants team took it to them and there was no chance the refs could save them. It was awesome.
RE: RE: Next time  
ThatLimerickGuy : 12/14/2018 10:39 am : link
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Just follow the late $$ before placing your bets guys. The line moved .5 towards Chargers in the last 1/2 hour before game time. That means something.

Otherwise continue to throw fits about a game that has absolutely no impact on the Giants or even any of our rivals.

Carry on



how was the line affected by the club in the midwest you go too?


Ah. Found the guy who maybe put a little more than he should have on a chiefs/over parlay.

Didnt have a dollar on the game  
dep026 : 12/14/2018 10:40 am : link
good try though.
I'm..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/14/2018 10:43 am : link
thinking a lot of people didn't bet on the game and were interested because it was a Thursday night game featuring two good teams, but then again - I usually have a hard time following TLG's angles.

People are complaining about the shitty officiating that impacts nearly every game because of the money they are wagering?? Umm - OK?
RE: RE: RE: Next time  
Kyle in NY : 12/14/2018 10:46 am : link
In comment 14218386 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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Just follow the late $$ before placing your bets guys. The line moved .5 towards Chargers in the last 1/2 hour before game time. That means something.

Otherwise continue to throw fits about a game that has absolutely no impact on the Giants or even any of our rivals.

Carry on



how was the line affected by the club in the midwest you go too?



Ah. Found the guy who maybe put a little more than he should have on a chiefs/over parlay.


Actually it was Chiefs/Under, thank you very much. Brutal loss
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ThatLimerickGuy : 12/14/2018 10:52 am : link
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Just follow the late $$ before placing your bets guys. The line moved .5 towards Chargers in the last 1/2 hour before game time. That means something.

Otherwise continue to throw fits about a game that has absolutely no impact on the Giants or even any of our rivals.

Carry on



how was the line affected by the club in the midwest you go too?



Ah. Found the guy who maybe put a little more than he should have on a chiefs/over parlay.




Actually it was Chiefs/Under, thank you very much. Brutal loss


Respect the honesty.

I avoided it. Too risky.
The officials were awful though  
Kyle in NY : 12/14/2018 11:02 am : link
but it went both ways. The bailout defensive holding calls on 3rd and long have to stop. There were 3-4 phantom holdings last night. Clear makeup call on the PI after they missed helmet to helmet on Rivers. Officials just making it up as they go along. Didn't need to have money on that one to know the refs are bad, and seemingly getting worse.
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