With the rotation pretty set and the Gray trade to eventually happen (IMO no way we are keeping him). We m6 add another sp but it won’t be anything huge. There has been so much talk about Machado or Harper, but what about 1st base???
I am not happy with Voit or bird as our two options. With the trade of Golschmidt Cards have made Jose Martinez is available for trade. 300 hitter last year. Can play RF in a pinch. Not sure about his defense though?
Probably not, but just sticking a finger in the Red Sox's eye gives me a bit of pleasure.
Hope he pans out to be a stud!
Totally agree. We have 5 starters already, let's let the kids like German and Loaisiga fill in when needed, and hope that one of them develops into a frontline starter (both have front-line stuff but just need to work on controlling it).
I'm kinda warming to the idea of just signing Keuchel if the price tag isn't outrageous. It seems like the market on him is kind of cool right now.
What I wonder is how they're going to handle it positionally should they sign Machado but NOT deal Miggy.
I would assume in that case, Miggy stays @ 3B and Machado plays SS - but then there's a logjam when Didi is back. Who sits? You have Torres, Andujar, Machado and Gregorius all battling for 3 IF spots and all 4 of those guys need to be in the lineup every day.
Punting is also an option - we could look to make an in-season deal to address it.
But I worry about the defensive aspect when you're talking about an Andujar/Machado left side. Compound that with the below average defense we're going to get @ 1B and the fact that Torres isn't even naturally a 2B... things could get a little messy there.
And I love Didi, but he could legitimately command 5/$80 or more next offseason. I think Bogaerts is the only other SS of consequence scheduled to be on the market. There is zero guarantee they give a 30 year old shortstop a 5 year deal.
Zero problem with signing Manny and figuring out the rest later.
And I love Didi, but he could legitimately command 5/$80 or more next offseason. I think Bogaerts is the only other SS of consequence scheduled to be on the market. There is zero guarantee they give a 30 year old shortstop a 5 year deal.
Zero problem with signing Manny and figuring out the rest later.
No disagreement there -
I guess the question is, are we comfortable with Machado playing SS long-term? Especially if it's Andujar to his right. We might have some adventurous grounders hit to the left side.
Machado isn't a terrible SS - he actually played pretty well there in LA from what I saw. It just seems he's a much better fit @ 3B.
About 650 rookies in all positions have played in MLB since they started keeping defensive stats publically. Adnjuar was 16th worst. They broke it down to bottom of the list 3B's. None of them lasted at 3B very long after their rookie years.
Then they looked at plate discipline by rookies and if it improves over time. They identified 25 rookies who hit above league average at their positions with a less than 6% walk rate since 2000. Over half of them never had an above average walk rate. The ones that did improve, improved very little.
The Athletic conclusion was that "Andújar is a less than 50/50 shot to improve either his defense or his walk rate, and that means he’s an even lesser chance to improve both".
They also projected him at 1B where his offense projects just a tick above league average. It's much better at 3B but not close to elite there either.
I wonder if he has a lot less value than some of us thought as a trade chip.
He's a tough one to project for sure.
Then they looked at plate discipline by rookies and if it improves over time. They identified 25 rookies who hit above league average at their positions with a less than 6% walk rate since 2000. Over half of them never had an above average walk rate. The ones that did improve, improved very little.
You know who had lower walk rate than Andujar in their rookie years?
Robinson Cano and Manny Machado.
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- I have to believe a package of Sonny Gray and Clint Frazier could bring in a stellar starting pitcher
It's entirely possible that we define "stellar" differently, but I don't see how Gray and Frazier would return anything more than a mid-rotation guy.
Sonny Gray is a rock solid pitcher away from Yankee Stadium. Maybe they keep him and only let him pitch in away games. Seen it before where a good player gets the Yankee-Yips when under the bright lights and fold like a well-oiled lawn chair. They'vee talked about a 6-man rotation this year and maybe they could work him when he's away from home field. For whatever reason, he only sucks when he's pitching at the stadium.
I don't want to see us lose Frazier because I think he's going to be a stud when he's healthy. He's a valuable commodity. A package of Gray/Frazier should make low budget teams salivate - IMHO
And I love Didi, but he could legitimately command 5/$80 or more next offseason. I think Bogaerts is the only other SS of consequence scheduled to be on the market. There is zero guarantee they give a 30 year old shortstop a 5 year deal.
Zero problem with signing Manny and figuring out the rest later.
Sadly, I agree. I still can't believe Didi's bad luck.
Yup. Which is why we should have given him a 5 year extension 2 years ago. Instead we'll either let him walk or overpay him.
The Yankees refusal to extend their young players is just stupid and is going to damage the franchise.
I don’t think there’s anything to worry about with Gray. He’ll be traded for something or somethings of real value. Don’t expect a Homeric return. Much like making the Happ signing “official”, I don’t think they are operating with their hair on fire because there are 40-man roster implications. No reason to hurry along the moves that create 40-man roster cuts if there are moves in the hopper that may simultaneously create space.
I suspect that the win/lose on Machado is the first domino that determines what follows.
Mike that is not asshat info. Manny said he want to play SS and that is why the Orioles moved him there this year. But, money talks and BS walks. He will take the money and play where the Yanks put him.
Or he can go to 3rd base....
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but from what I've heard Machado only wants to play SS. Maybe he changes his mind, idk, but that's what I heard....
Mike that is not asshat info. Manny said he want to play SS and that is why the Orioles moved him there this year. But, money talks and BS walks. He will take the money and play where the Yanks put him.
This, he would rather play SS but he will play whatever position the highest bidder wants him to.
If you can get a pair of shoes with holes in them for him take it. Seriously he likely got lucky with road match ups last year drawing some soft teams.But I am all for selling high if you can bamboozle someone
Better to get out a year early then a year late.Not worth the 15 million a year for an aging reliever pitching 7th or 8th inning. You could go bankrupt that way. Probably have a guy in the minors that can handle the one inning for peanuts. Save the bucks for the big guys.
You can find a Robertson many times over. The Machado's not so easily.
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He is done with the Yankees, D O N E done. How could you send him out to the mound again with the slightest confidence that he will be anything but batting practice
At worst he’ll be a long reliever/spot starter. How can you just throw that away ? If anything of value was being offered a deal would have happened by now. Does it make sense just to throw him away just because we’re pissed that he sucked last year ?
He probably the best SP available on the market (short of Kluber) and the least expensive to get. Cash will get something decent for him.
It made me wonder if Grey pitches by his current feel for his pitches and ignores the weaknesses of opponent batters?
The reason I bring that up is that the hard up for pitching Yankees sure seem very clear they are done with the guy...to the point of self harming their own negotiating position.
So you don't like adding 35 to 40 HRs per season to Stanton's 35-40 HRs per season and a gold glove 3rd baseman, to boot. Adding Machado seriously increases the chances of winning multiple World Series, which is the goal of putting together a team. Teams are always kicking the salary can down the road and the Yanks have time to sort it out.
Roughly $22/per, which is below market for his bat.
Machado 2018: .297 37 HRs 107 RBIs 84 Runs scored
Harper 2018: .249 34 HRs 100 RBIs 103 Runs scored
First of all, i would bet that Stanton has an uptick across the board in his stats in 2019. His performance was actually pretty damn good considering he was on a new team, in a new league and playing LF or DH which was new territory. It also must be taken into account that Judge, Sanchez, Hicks and Gregorius missed chunks of time and Stanton (although dealing with some injuries himself) held the fort.
Finally we come to money. Stanton is due to make $25 mil in 2019 and 2020. Harper and Machado will probably be getting 30+ million a season. Looking at the how close the production numbers above are and the real possibility that Stanton could see an improvement means he could be playing for 5-10 mil less a season than the other guys. To make things more interesting, Stanton has a buyout after the 2020 season. If he decides to pass on it, which is probable, the Yanks receive $30 million from the Marlins. That means the rest of his contract will be 7 years at 154 mil or $22 mil per season.
The ends of these mega-contracts are never pretty, but if Stanton stays productive (it will help that he can eventually become a full-time DH in the AL), he could be playing for 8-10 mil less than Machado or Harper while still providing similar production.
But, most importantly, did you see him in the playoffs and against good pitching in general? We are comfortably projecting that he will produce better being familiar with the surroundings but I am not so sure he will improve against better pitching. I can’t imagine he will age well being such a guess, mistake hitter.
I won’t gripe too much if we have one of Stanton, Harper, or Machado on the roster. Having two of them, with big deals for Judge on the horizon, is not a good idea in my opinion.
And because he is there at above average production at below average price per production...we don't have to sell all out to add those bats at years or amounts beyond sanity.
But, most importantly, did you see him in the playoffs and against good pitching in general? We are comfortably projecting that he will produce better being familiar with the surroundings but I am not so sure he will improve against better pitching. I can’t imagine he will age well being such a guess, mistake hitter.
I won’t gripe too much if we have one of Stanton, Harper, or Machado on the roster. Having two of them, with big deals for Judge on the horizon, is not a good idea in my opinion.
Horizon? Judge is not a FA until 2023. Why would anyone be worried about this now that's not named Hal or one of his bean counters. ?
That way when some of those 2018 draft 17 year old International signings want their 10 year contracts we will have some room under the luxury tax.
Im worried about those new guys because all know the last years of those contracts never work out for the Yankees.
Maybe we should throw them in the Judge trade
NYY reset the luxury tax % this year, no excuses not to spend at level terms as the Sox.
That way when some of those 2018 draft 17 year old International signings want their 10 year contracts we will have some room under the luxury tax.
Im worried about those new guys because all know the last years of those contracts never work out for the Yankees.
Maybe we should throw them in the Judge trade
Never saw you with that much sarcasm. But you are right. The Yanks need to plan for something 5 yrs down the road that may not happen.
The hell with it. Trade everyone for prospects now. Then, bring up the entire River Dogs team because they are cost controlled for about 5-8 years.
I was spoofing the unlikely to materialize concerns and trades the boredom of offseason brings us to consider
I was spoofing the unlikely to materialize concerns and trades the boredom of offseason brings us to consider
Read it as you dressing down some of the folks whose thinking is spending now precludes being able to pay for our own players down the road. And I agree with you. Now is the time to win. The Yanks can reboot whenever they want with their deep pockets.
Just wish they'd get Manny, stop fooling around, and finalize the juggernaut.
Manny gets them a huge bat, strengthens the left side of the infield at either third base or shortstop(temporarily until Didi returns), keeps Torres at 2nd where he is best. Win, win, win all around.