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jeff57 : 12/14/2018 12:06 pm
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RE: I dunno...  
oldutican : 12/14/2018 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14218847 Chris684 said:
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Eli takes a shitstorm of abuse and he's as white as white gets.

I have participated in these Beckham threads before, as Beckham is NOT my favorite player by a mile, and this is not the first time that people who seem to love him cry racism.

I also happen to love JPP and have always called the "lazy" argument against him total bullshit. I thought he was treated meanly and unfairly by much of this fanbase for a guy who was injured in a freak and tragic accident and did a lot for this franchise even if it was short-lived.

I also love Barkley more than just about any football player in the world right now.

See, it's not racism.


I don’t see people challenging Eli’s character. Maybe someone has, but that would be quite rare. That’s the difference.
RE: We've had posters on this site call OBJ  
ghost718 : 12/14/2018 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14218827 Tesla said:
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so let's not pretend that at least some of his critics have issued with his race.

Certainly not saying it's anything close to a majority of his critics.

I think the poster above nailed it, it's not simply that OBJ's black that bothers some of the older white fans, it's the "type" of person he is. The tattoos, the showboating, the way he talks, the social media stuff, etc.


Your post would look a lot better if the quotations didn't have Banana Head inserted between them.

That takes the everything into the abyss
RE: RE: I dunno...  
dep026 : 12/14/2018 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14218860 Tesla said:
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In comment 14218847 Chris684 said:


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Eli takes a shitstorm of abuse and he's as white as white gets.

I have participated in these Beckham threads before, as Beckham is NOT my favorite player by a mile, and this is not the first time that people who seem to love him cry racism.

I also happen to love JPP and have always called the "lazy" argument against him total bullshit. I thought he was treated meanly and unfairly by much of this fanbase for a guy who was injured in a freak and tragic accident and did a lot for this franchise even if it was short-lived.

I also love Barkley more than just about any football player in the world right now.

See, it's not racism.




1. Eli gets a shit ton of criticism here but his character is never called into question, even when there's evidence that he helped to defraud collectors.

2. " I like one black person therefore I'm not racist" is, let's say, an interesting argument.


Eli has been called a quitter
Eli has been called greedy
Eli has been called slow since he talks with a southern drawl and makes stupid faces.

Does that mean people here are racist? No. What it means is someone at the time said something incredibly stupid. Much like the person who called Beckham a banana head or JPP lazy.

One or two posters do not represent everyone. When a poster accuses someone of being racist - he better damn well have evidence to back it. Because that’s one of the most defamatory there is. Especially when the person being accused works with minorities for a living and on his spare time.
C'mon dep....  
Tesla : 12/14/2018 4:54 pm : link
are you really gonna argue that people on this site are calling Eli stupid, greedy and a quitter?

Eli is almost universally praised here as being an incredibly intelligent QB known for his pre-snap reads and adjustments. And universally lauded for his toughness. Plenty of posters have noted that Eli has never cut the Giants a break when it comes to salary but I've NEVER heard anyone call him greedy.

The rest of your arguments are totally valid but there's not reason to make up a bunch of shit to support your point.
How can race even be brought into this argument when  
giant24 : 12/14/2018 4:58 pm : link
I can confidently say everyone loves Saquon on and off the field and last I looked hes black where as OBJ is a mixed bag - love his ability and competitiveness on the field but lets face it peeing in the end zone, proposing to a net, the whole boat trip during playoff week, dissing his teammates with little Wayne - its his personality that sometimes is offsetting so when he misses a bunch of games you have to take everything into account to determine if he's worth the huge contract.
RE: RE: RE: I dunno...  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/14/2018 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14218870 dep026 said:
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In comment 14218847 Chris684 said:


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Eli takes a shitstorm of abuse and he's as white as white gets.

I have participated in these Beckham threads before, as Beckham is NOT my favorite player by a mile, and this is not the first time that people who seem to love him cry racism.

I also happen to love JPP and have always called the "lazy" argument against him total bullshit. I thought he was treated meanly and unfairly by much of this fanbase for a guy who was injured in a freak and tragic accident and did a lot for this franchise even if it was short-lived.

I also love Barkley more than just about any football player in the world right now.

See, it's not racism.




1. Eli gets a shit ton of criticism here but his character is never called into question, even when there's evidence that he helped to defraud collectors.

2. " I like one black person therefore I'm not racist" is, let's say, an interesting argument.



Eli has been called a quitter
Eli has been called greedy
Eli has been called slow since he talks with a southern drawl and makes stupid faces.

Does that mean people here are racist? No. What it means is someone at the time said something incredibly stupid. Much like the person who called Beckham a banana head or JPP lazy.

One or two posters do not represent everyone. When a poster accuses someone of being racist - he better damn well have evidence to back it. Because that’s one of the most defamatory there is. Especially when the person being accused works with minorities for a living and on his spare time.


I'm personally married to an African American and I will have African American children.

Unless you actually live the struggle you will never fully see it.

For instance, my mother is a teacher for at-risk students (Think about the movie Dangerous Minds). The principal at her school wanted a kid that won a school election to remove his wave cap, or he was going to kick him out of the seat that he won.

This something the kid was really excited to be a part of, and something he was proud of.

In my mom's school, it's really hard to get people involved in these type of things.

The same guy wants no hoodies to be worn.

Personally, I went to school wore a hat every day, and wore a hoodie when I wanted to in high school, never once was asked to take either off or even questioned about it in high school.

Meanwhile the kids my mom are teaching are wearing hoodies because their hair is probably in the middle of being done, and don't want to be embarrassed. They are in the middle of trying to make their hair actually look good.

If you don't understand the struggle, you can surely come with me the next time my wife needs to get her hair done, and wait for the 8 hrs. it takes to be done.

So this principle is about to punish these kids because it doesn't take them 30 minutes to get their hair done sometimes. That's a microaggression that is just being ignored, and because no one calls them out on them they just keep walking around acting like assholes to people.

And if you think I'm just making this up, feel free to call Lono, BlueLou, ChooperHatch, they have all met me and my wife. Lono is a little too obsessed with my wife, to be honest, but he's the best, so I give him a pass

Look, if Saquon was more eccentric and flamboyant like OBJ is, there would be equally as many people on this board that actually hate him even though he has the talent. Simply because he just doesn't shut up and do what he is told.

I think about my Grandfather and uncle who both are really racist. Anytime something happens to OBJ, they talk in the exact same way. I know 100% that they wouldn't do this if he was a white guy. I grew up with my grandfather telling me Olineman have to be white because they are smarter.

I might have flew a bit off the handle, but honestly, I can't let the microaggressions slide anymore if I want my children to grow up in a different world.
Dear Dep  
oldutican : 12/14/2018 5:14 pm : link
I don’t believe racism is an all or nothing proposition. I was raised in a culture that was in ways very racist. That is part of me. So I would never say “no, I always view white and black people in exactly the same way. I never behave in a racist manner.” So I think about how I react to people of different races. I deal with it. It’s my judgement that some people hold white and black players to different standards. I also realize that since 70% if NFL players are black, it becomes more difficult to discern racial judgements.
RE: C'mon dep....  
dep026 : 12/14/2018 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14218879 Tesla said:
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are you really gonna argue that people on this site are calling Eli stupid, greedy and a quitter?

Eli is almost universally praised here as being an incredibly intelligent QB known for his pre-snap reads and adjustments. And universally lauded for his toughness. Plenty of posters have noted that Eli has never cut the Giants a break when it comes to salary but I've NEVER heard anyone call him greedy.

The rest of your arguments are totally valid but there's not reason to make up a bunch of shit to support your point.


Tesla,

I promise you that there are posters who said as recent as this year. BestFeature called Eli a quitter during one of our early losses. Now... do I believe everyone thinks that or the other things? Of course not.

I do understand racism exists. But I am going to pen the dumb things said here as outliners than what everyone else thinks.
BBDTS  
dep026 : 12/14/2018 5:23 pm : link
I don’t pretend that I know what it feels like. I never said I do. But I do like to learn and try to understand and help youths who have been discriminated against.

Hell I even started a class in my school dealing with stereotyping and racisms. The metoo movement. And other discriminating factors in society. I am the only white person in the room. And I have a waiting list of students who want to take it.

You made accusations at me that were wrong and unfair. I don’t know what it’s like to be black. But I do try to help these kids become better individuals and make them more aware of all the right/wrongs of the world.
RE: How can race even be brought into this argument when  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/14/2018 5:26 pm : link
In comment 14218884 giant24 said:
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I can confidently say everyone loves Saquon on and off the field


Everyone makes sure to reference Saquon's attitude whenever they cite his positives and "how easy it is" to root for him. There's certainly a percentage of people who don't approve of any athlete of any color who wants to be the center of attention.

There's a segment of the fanbase that thinks the team is better off without his "behavior", which has, other than the Josh Norman game, been nothing more than college meathead nonsense that shouldn't have anyone foaming at the mouth. It gets blown up larger than it should be for reasons that are difficult to justify the level of anger that come with it.

He's done nothing to justify anyone thinking a team would be better off without his talent. When he makes a great play, they shrug or stay silent. When he makes a negative play, it's open season.

On the larger level, the fox broadcast will replay and slo-mo Odell Beckham emoting on the sideline and make him seem to be an unhinged, out of control player, but they don't show him doing the things he's done for years, things that other players are held up as 'team guys' for: interacting with his teammates in a positive way, or doing the hard work that would run counter to the often repeated 'selfish, diva, cancer' critiques.
RE: .  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/14/2018 5:27 pm : link
In comment 14218511 arcarsenal said:
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He's injury prone because his ankle broke when he was planted or because he got leg whipped?

I don't think people understand what injury prone actually means.


Are you arguing he's not injury prone? To me, being injury prone in football means that the player consistently puts his body in awkward or vulnerable positions that allow the opportunity to get hurt. Eli's no "tougher" than OBJ because he doesn't get hurt. He just knows how to fall and when to fall. In a sense, Beckham's athleticism hurts him, quite literally, because he's constantly testing the limits of how his body can contort. 99 times out of 100 it's fine, but when it's not fine, you get situations like this.

So I consider Beckham to be an injury prone player, and the games missed really speaks for itself.
So I heard OBJ is out for Sunday  
Jimmy Googs : 12/14/2018 5:27 pm : link
did you all?
It's a no-win situation then for a player  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/14/2018 5:30 pm : link
You want your players to give full effort, but print a negative label on them for getting hurt doing so.

He broke his ankle while getting hit going up for a ball on a play that a football player of his skill level should make. If he protects himself instead, he's going to get pounded by fans and writers alike.
RE: It's a no-win situation then for a player  
BigBlueShock : 12/14/2018 5:50 pm : link
In comment 14218915 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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You want your players to give full effort, but print a negative label on them for getting hurt doing so.

He broke his ankle while getting hit going up for a ball on a play that a football player of his skill level should make. If he protects himself instead, he's going to get pounded by fans and writers alike.

He already has. Beckham has made a concerted effort on some plays to simply get the yards and get out of bounds and some on here have killed him for it on the game threads. “Why the hell is he running out of bounds!?!”. It’s happened numerous times this season alone.

Beckham will never win with some people.
Oh  
BigBlueShock : 12/14/2018 6:02 pm : link
And that assclown calling out dep for being a racist? Is this for real? What a crock of shit. I don’t give a rats ass if you’re married to an African American woman. That doesn’t give you carte blanche to attack other posters character that you don’t know a damn thing about. Everyone wants race relations to improve in this country, but throwing around the race card on a regular basis because someone criticizes a player on the team isn’t the proper way to go about helping the cause.

Besides, if dep is racist, he has a weird way of showing it since he really wants to have Derrick Roses children. Ain’t that right dep? Haha, just kidding. I think?

Shock!  
Jimmy Googs : 12/14/2018 6:06 pm : link
nice job with those posts. Right on point, man.

Hope all is well...

RE: I think people saying Odell is injury prone are ridiculous  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/14/2018 6:37 pm : link
In comment 14218700 Giants in 07 said:
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But calling people racist for having that opinion is even more ridiculous

Plenty of people got on Watt and plenty of people are currently on Rodgers.

Clearly the posters who hate on Rodgers are homophobic!

I can have random thoughts and post it on teh internets too.
RE: RE: Do you think Texan fans  
Vanzetti : 12/14/2018 6:45 pm : link
In comment 14218675 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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give JJ Watt this much grief over his injuries?

Or Packers fans with Aaron Rodgers




They are both white players. OBJ isn't, so you know he is a cancer because of it.


The most criticized Giant is Eli by a mile.

The most universally loved Giant is Barkley.

So I don't think your theory really has much evidence to back it up. Unless, you are saying black stereotypes come out when people criticize Odell, then maybe you have a point. But if you are saying fans dislike Odell because he is black, I just don't see it because Giants roster is 80% non-white.
Calling Eli immobile  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/14/2018 6:48 pm : link
Is racist ;-)
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: for the record I had no racist intention with my post  
section125 : 12/14/2018 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14218707 dep026 said:
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You did graduate from Stanford didn't you? You never act like it. You act like a god damn elitist where no one's opinion, but your owns is the right one.



1. Never graduated from Standford
2. I am a fucking public school teacher.
3. Changing the narrative because you made some stupid remark.

I dont go around calling people racist, thats for damn sure. Maybe you should care less about my opinion and acting like an adult. Calling me fucking racist. Like I said, you better god damn have more than what you are spewing if you are going to make an accusation like that.

First I am racist, then sexist, now an elitist. Big talk, no action. Get lost.


Hey don't forget my favorite - microaggressions....gd buzzwords..
Do I want roses kids???  
dep026 : 12/14/2018 6:54 pm : link
Fuck yeah. They would have great genes and he’s a millionaire. Who wouldn’t???
I like OBJ  
capegman : 12/14/2018 7:20 pm : link
I don't like his contract. I don't think any receiver should get paid that much and eat up that much salary cap space.
You could buy a whole quality receiving corps for what he gets paid. Nothing personal against him. But good for him getting that salary from management but I think it hamstrings the team.
I've been thinking the same thing about Eli's contract for 3 years now also.
RE: RE: Do you think Texan fans  
B in ALB : 12/14/2018 7:26 pm : link
In comment 14218675 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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give JJ Watt this much grief over his injuries?

Or Packers fans with Aaron Rodgers




They are both white players. OBJ isn't, so you know he is a cancer because of it.


Wow. That is quite the statement intimating that Ron mexico is racist.

Yikes.
RE: I like OBJ  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/14/2018 7:37 pm : link
In comment 14218992 capegman said:
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You could buy a whole quality receiving corps for what he gets paid.


So, with his new contract, his average is about $18m per season. I'd be interested to see what you might think you could build for that money if we split it over 3 positions, (WR1, WR2, and slot). Guys like Donte Moncrief & Marvin Jones take home 8 to 9m a year.
Jesus Christ  
ThatLimerickGuy : 12/14/2018 7:40 pm : link
Are we really having a dick measuring contest right now over which white guy understands the struggle of the blacks the most?

News flash. Nobody gives a fuck if Odell was black, white or red what some of us care about is that he is an asshole and this will now be the 2nd time he isn't showing up with the season on the line (Gb playoffs the first). If the guy is injured so be it but if he is just hurt then at 90 mil you gotta suit up.
RE: Do I want roses kids???  
mrvax : 12/14/2018 7:44 pm : link
In comment 14218973 dep026 said:
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Fuck yeah. They would have great genes and he’s a millionaire. Who wouldn’t???


Me too except I'm not gay, married since 1983 and had a vasectomy in 1990. 😊
Is he part of the MWGCS?  
B in ALB : 12/14/2018 7:45 pm : link
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RE: Jesus Christ  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/14/2018 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14219017 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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Nobody gives a fuck if Odell was black, white or red


RE: Is he part of the MWGCS?  
mrvax : 12/14/2018 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14219023 B in ALB said:
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Montessori of Winter Garden Charter Schools?
RE: Is he part of the MWGCS?  
ThatLimerickGuy : 12/14/2018 7:56 pm : link
In comment 14219023 B in ALB said:
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Right on cue. Ironically someone in this exact thread said the same thing about AROD and yet you feign no outrage over that?

Interesting.
RE: RE: Is he part of the MWGCS?  
B in ALB : 12/14/2018 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14219035 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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Right on cue. Ironically someone in this exact thread said the same thing about AROD and yet you feign no outrage over that?

Interesting.


Didn't read the whole thread, genius.

Just own the fact that you got owned and we'll leave it alone.

MC B.
RE: Jesus Christ  
BigBlueShock : 12/14/2018 8:08 pm : link
In comment 14219017 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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Are we really having a dick measuring contest right now over which white guy understands the struggle of the blacks the most?

News flash. Nobody gives a fuck if Odell was black, white or red what some of us care about is that he is an asshole and this will now be the 2nd time he isn't showing up with the season on the line (Gb playoffs the first). If the guy is injured so be it but if he is just hurt then at 90 mil you gotta suit up.

Beckham is an asshole? You are a fucking joke. Get over yourself. You a complete dumpster fire yet Beckham offends you for some fucking reason. It’s glorious. A man that has been an absolute epic failure at life gets offended because Beckham got a couple of penalties and hit a kicking net.

I’d love for us all to have a glimpse into your perfect, daily routine. I’m guessing the stuff we see from Beckham would be considered angelic compared to to your useless ass. But go ahead and continue to be offended by people that have made themselves into the top 1% of their chosen profession. All because he doesn’t act like a fucking robot.

Again, you’re a complete joke that literally nobody takes seriously. So please, continue trying to pretend you’re some holier than thou saint. It’s entertaining.
BBS with another spot on post  
B in ALB : 12/14/2018 8:13 pm : link
It's obvious what POSTS are complete horseshit in the Neverending Battle of the Mental Patients.
RE: BBS with another spot on post  
mrvax : 12/14/2018 8:21 pm : link
In comment 14219058 B in ALB said:
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It's obvious what POSTS are complete horseshit in the Neverending Battle of the Mental Patients.


Not for me B. I don't even know what MWGCS is. :>(
RE: RE: Jesus Christ  
ThatLimerickGuy : 12/14/2018 8:31 pm : link
In comment 14219054 BigBlueShock said:
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Are we really having a dick measuring contest right now over which white guy understands the struggle of the blacks the most?

News flash. Nobody gives a fuck if Odell was black, white or red what some of us care about is that he is an asshole and this will now be the 2nd time he isn't showing up with the season on the line (Gb playoffs the first). If the guy is injured so be it but if he is just hurt then at 90 mil you gotta suit up.


Beckham is an asshole? You are a fucking joke. Get over yourself. You a complete dumpster fire yet Beckham offends you for some fucking reason. It’s glorious. A man that has been an absolute epic failure at life gets offended because Beckham got a couple of penalties and hit a kicking net.

I’d love for us all to have a glimpse into your perfect, daily routine. I’m guessing the stuff we see from Beckham would be considered angelic compared to to your useless ass. But go ahead and continue to be offended by people that have made themselves into the top 1% of their chosen profession. All because he doesn’t act like a fucking robot.

Again, you’re a complete joke that literally nobody takes seriously. So please, continue trying to pretend you’re some holier than thou saint. It’s entertaining.


Haha. You know absolutely nothing about me. You say that I am useless and a failure at life. Let me give you some tidbits about me.

1. I don't get paid 18 million dollars a year, part of which is to represent a city and multi.million dollar organization in a positive manner.

2. I have never been suspended from work for violence against a co worker.

3. I have never thrown a coworker under the bus in a passive aggressive manner (Josina interview and post game press conferences about playcalling and gameplan)

4. I have never been caught on video doing drugs.

So see....I am not an asshole. I expect people to act in a specific respectful manner and then they can join me in the "non-asshole club".

As an aside, why would you get so bent out of shape about a differing opinion on a player on a Giants message board, to the point that you need to throw out baseless personal attacks. I continue to find that so weird. I have my opinion and you have yours. Who cares?

RE: RE: RE: Jesus Christ  
mrvax : 12/14/2018 8:34 pm : link
In comment 14219070 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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Haha. You know absolutely nothing about me. You say that I am useless and a failure at life. Let me give you some tidbits about me.

1. I don't get paid 18 million dollars a year, part of which is to represent a city and multi.million dollar organization in a positive manner.

2. I have never been suspended from work for violence against a co worker.

3. I have never thrown a coworker under the bus in a passive aggressive manner (Josina interview and post game press conferences about playcalling and gameplan)

4. I have never been caught on video doing drugs.

So see....I am not an asshole. I expect people to act in a specific respectful manner and then they can join me in the "non-asshole club".

As an aside, why would you get so bent out of shape about a differing opinion on a player on a Giants message board, to the point that you need to throw out baseless personal attacks. I continue to find that so weird. I have my opinion and you have yours. Who cares?



Ah, tell the truth. Have you ever ordered a Domino's pizza?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jesus Christ  
ThatLimerickGuy : 12/14/2018 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14219073 mrvax said:
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Haha. You know absolutely nothing about me. You say that I am useless and a failure at life. Let me give you some tidbits about me.

1. I don't get paid 18 million dollars a year, part of which is to represent a city and multi.million dollar organization in a positive manner.

2. I have never been suspended from work for violence against a co worker.

3. I have never thrown a coworker under the bus in a passive aggressive manner (Josina interview and post game press conferences about playcalling and gameplan)

4. I have never been caught on video doing drugs.

So see....I am not an asshole. I expect people to act in a specific respectful manner and then they can join me in the "non-asshole club".

As an aside, why would you get so bent out of shape about a differing opinion on a player on a Giants message board, to the point that you need to throw out baseless personal attacks. I continue to find that so weird. I have my opinion and you have yours. Who cares?





Ah, tell the truth. Have you ever ordered a Domino's pizza?


You know what I had to once when traveling out of sheer necessity and you know what it wasn't gross.

Now THAT is something that I should be ribbed for.
RE: Jesus Christ  
mrvax : 12/14/2018 8:42 pm : link
In comment 14219076 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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You know what I had to once when traveling out of sheer necessity and you know what it wasn't gross.

Now THAT is something that I should be ribbed for.


Well, there you go. You and Beckham are cut from the same cloth. He may as well be your younger brother!
RE: RE: Jesus Christ  
ThatLimerickGuy : 12/14/2018 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14219079 mrvax said:
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You know what I had to once when traveling out of sheer necessity and you know what it wasn't gross.

Now THAT is something that I should be ribbed for.



Well, there you go. You and Beckham are cut from the same cloth. He may as well be your younger brother!


A logical argument that I cannot dispute. The Domino Duo Beckham and TLG.
RE: RE: Jesus Christ  
Tesla : 12/14/2018 8:55 pm : link
In comment 14219079 mrvax said:
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Well, there you go. You and Beckham are cut from the same cloth. He may as well be your younger brother!


Probably the only thing that separates you and Beckham is the fact that he's not obsessed with Aaron Rodger's sexuality!
All this came from ...  
short lease : 12/15/2018 6:41 am : link
"OBJ out Sunday"?

Reminds me of the story from the New Testament - where Jesus fed a horde of thousands with 3 loaves of bread and 7 fish.
I see BBI keeps up to the world  
micky : 12/15/2018 8:05 am : link
and racism. It never fails
So.....  
Britt in VA : 12/15/2018 8:25 am : link
Posters say that others on BBI are critical of Beckham because he's black...

Saquon Barkley is pretty much universally loved by all posters, and is also black.

Instead of being so quick to pull the race card, wouldn't it be much easier to look at these two black athletes of similar talent and be able to figure out where the disparity in fandom comes from?
I just don't get the idea of people trying to inject race into....  
Britt in VA : 12/15/2018 8:36 am : link
sports conversation when we've all been watching the sport for decades, rooting for countless athletes of all color.

People defend Lawrence Taylor to this day and he is an awful human being, but they loved the player he was.

I just don't see race being a factor in football fandom, sorry. Especially when the sport is dominated by men of color.
RE: I dunno...  
Big Blue '56 : 12/15/2018 9:06 am : link
In comment 14218847 Chris684 said:
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Eli takes a shitstorm of abuse and he's as white as white gets.

I have participated in these Beckham threads before, as Beckham is NOT my favorite player by a mile, and this is not the first time that people who seem to love him cry racism.

I also happen to love JPP and have always called the "lazy" argument against him total bullshit. I thought he was treated meanly and unfairly by much of this fanbase for a guy who was injured in a freak and tragic accident and did a lot for this franchise even if it was short-lived.

I also love Barkley more than just about any football player in the world right now.

See, it's not racism.


Eli is white?
The fact that posts turn in this direction at times  
gmen4ever : 12/15/2018 10:35 am : link
is very disheartening. With all of the terrific fans on this site and how hard Eric and his staff work to give us this forum, it is watered down because some end up fighting with others, calling each other names or at times the race card comes up. It makes me close the thread and look for other football threads instead. IMO only, OBJ is perhaps in the top 4 of all Giants players I have ever seen (LT, Saquan, Eli are up there too). His injury now is not good timing and seems to have come out of no where. But, I believe he can not go and we should respect that. What I do not support is his periodic behavior and demeanor on the field or off, but that has nothing to do with race. Its got to do with being immature and perhaps a little unprofessional. Still I hope and believe he will be a Giant until he retires.

Let's not assume each of us is a racist or has bias. That may be the case in some limited instances, but Most of us really do not know what is in the heart of another poster. We should give each other the credit we are due, that we are not biased and do not judge based on race. If we start from there, we can all have a more productive discussion about our beloved Giants. Merry Christmas everyone and Happy Holidays.
It’s not racism as much  
djm : 12/15/2018 10:52 am : link
As it’s just fans hanging on this guy’s every word. It’s a media and player and fan created narrative. It’s all noise. Fans lap this shit up like dogs. If Beckham says nothing? He’s an asshole. If he’s says something he’s an asshole. If he says the right thing he’s being coached by Mara or is maturing.

The facts are He’s the same guy he’s always been. He gets mad when the team loses. He gets mad when he’s hurt. He talks and fans go ape shit. He misses games and fans go ape shit. He scores a Td and celebrates and fans go ape shit. Rinse and repeat.

Fans want the players to act like robots but only some of the time. They also want passion and greatness.
RE: RE: RE: Jesus Christ  
Hsilwek92 : 12/15/2018 6:09 pm : link
In comment 14219083 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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In comment 14219079 mrvax said:


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In comment 14219076 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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You know what I had to once when traveling out of sheer necessity and you know what it wasn't gross.

Now THAT is something that I should be ribbed for.



Well, there you go. You and Beckham are cut from the same cloth. He may as well be your younger brother!



A logical argument that I cannot dispute. The Domino Duo Beckham and TLG.


Does the pizza in the MWGCS taste any better?
My two cents  
steve in ky : 12/16/2018 12:11 am : link
I think OBJ is a little too immature and as a result he does/says things probably better not said/done. In spite of that I like OBJ because he always plays hard, by all accounts he cares about his teammates, and seems to want to win more than anything. He also has never gotten into any real trouble. Anything he does is benign in the big scheme of things; he isn't beating women, or anything comparable. it's all just dumb stuff that IMO doesn't really matter so it doesn't get under my skin. Especially when taking into account his incredible talent. The NFL has a long history of quirky, somewhat eccentric talented players.

I can also see how some fans might be a little put off by him and it not having anything to do with race but simply because he creates drama. Sometimes it's nothing more than a persons actions rubbing us the wrong way. I never cared for Shockey because I felt he was selfish and more of a me first instead of team first guy. Other fans loved him and didn't see it that way. Just another example of a persons behavior rubbing some wrong while it not bother others.

How much or whether we like or dislike a player is a fans prerogative.
RE: My two cents  
Mad Mike : 12/16/2018 12:29 am : link
In comment 14219862 steve in ky said:
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I never cared for Shockey because I felt he was selfish and more of a me first instead of team first guy. Other fans loved him and didn't see it that way.

Lots of people liked Shockey, but I think every one of them also realized he was very selfish as a player/teammate.
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