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Comparable between LT and Barkley...

That’s Gold, Jerry : 12/14/2018 1:36 pm
LT was my guy. I was 27 when LT came along in his first year in 1981. I loved him as a player from the moment he stepped on the field and I remember reading the NY Post that summer when the comment was made that, in their first summer practice, he was the best player on the field and so he moved from third string to first string in one practice.

But Parcells said something telling about LT which was you only had to tell him something once and then he took it to the field.

Shurmur mentioned something similar a couple of weeks ago regarding Barkley and how he had had a conversation with Saquon prior to the Bucs game about taking the hard yards and not always trying to hit a home run. Since then, we have seen Barkley do exactly that.

To me, that is the most significant sign of a world class player. In any sport, elite players, HOF players, do not need to be told more than once. It is the clearest sign that this is an LT type player...in a class of his own.
I understand what you are alluding to  
johnnyb : 12/14/2018 1:41 pm : link
but NOBODY compares to LT as a football player. There have been some comparisons, but at the end of the day there is only one LT. I have never seen one player change the game as much as he did.

In terms of coach-ability and getting what the coaches are telling him quickly, OK, I can agree. But the comparisons end there.
Nope.  
x meadowlander : 12/14/2018 1:44 pm : link
There are valid comparisons between Barkley and Gale Sayers (definitely similar in elusiveness) and Barry Sanders (quickness!) and other epic backs.

There was never any such comparison with LT. Nobody had done what he did prior.

Don't get me wrong - this is the first time I've ever gone back to repeatedly watch highlights of a Giant player besides LT. The instant impact of Saquon Barkley on the Giant franchise has not been experienced since LT...

...but he ain't LT.

And he shouldn't be. I'm actually hoping he turns out to be something bigger. :)
RE: but at the end of the day there is only one LT  
Trainmaster : 12/14/2018 1:45 pm : link
This
LT Was inarguably the greatest D player, ever.  
Big Blue '56 : 12/14/2018 1:59 pm : link
It’s possible he was the greatest player ever..
If a great player attribute is coachability  
mattlawson : 12/14/2018 1:59 pm : link
For sure. Relentless execution and imposing your will on the game however is something else
The only way they compare is that  
RobCrossRiver56 : 12/14/2018 2:13 pm : link
Each player made the Giants must see tv.

Back in the 80's I couldn't wait for the Defense to get back on the field to see what LT would do next..and I'm feeling the same way with Barkley now.
So far Barkley has been a great player, but LT was the greatest  
SterlingArcher : 12/14/2018 3:13 pm : link
of all time, Barkley needs to prove himself over time, not just one year.
I Will Say This:  
Aloha Alan : 12/14/2018 4:48 pm : link
We hit a monster home run from the second overall pick in the 1981 NFL Draft, and it looks like we might have done the same with the overall number two pick in the 2018 NFL Draft.
Opposing coaches designed special offenses to neutralize LT  
since1925 : 12/14/2018 5:00 pm : link
Joe Gibbs invented the H-Back to counter LT.

Unless they invent new offenses to counter SB, then LT remains the Giant player with the most impact on the league.

Barkley look like he could replace Jim Brown as the most impactful RB. We'll see. The kid is amazing.

RE: Opposing coaches designed special offenses to neutralize LT  
81_Great_Dane : 12/14/2018 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14218886 since1925 said:
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Barkley look like he could replace Jim Brown as the most impactful RB. We'll see. The kid is amazing.
I'm turning 60 in April. I don't remember Jim Brown as a player, though of course I've seen film.

I have a buddy who is about 67, does remember Jim Brown, and he says Barkley reminds him of Brown -- he cites the combination of being tough to tackle and yet the fastest guy on the field. Brown had that, so does Barkley.
Ability to implement coaching is an admirable trait,  
CT Charlie : 12/14/2018 5:14 pm : link
but it is decidedly NOT the difference between an excellent athlete and a world-class one. Is that really the defining characteristic of Ted Williams, Babe Ruth, Jim Brown, Roger Federer, Sandy Koufax, Jack Nicklaus, Bob Beamon, Tom Brady, Mark Phelps, Muhammed Ali, Annika Sorenstam, Katie Lidecky, Tiger Woods, Usain Bolt...
RE: Opposing coaches designed special offenses to neutralize LT  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/14/2018 7:00 pm : link
In comment 14218886 since1925 said:
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Joe Gibbs invented the H-Back to counter LT.

Unless they invent new offenses to counter SB, then LT remains the Giant player with the most impact on the league.

Barkley look like he could replace Jim Brown as the most impactful RB. We'll see. The kid is amazing.

LT is also responsible for big athletic LTs, the most popular 11 personnel, sacks, strip sack, demise of the Packer sweep, NFL defense transformation from mlb centric to a flanking outside LBs and DEs centric.

I would be shocked to see SB have an impact like that. It seems of late I am seeing more old school 2 gap 3-4 being used against Barkley. Parcells and little Bill devised that D to be a bend but not break D against the big slashing RBs that dominated back then, like the two OJs, Dickerson.
The instant he took the field his rookie year, LT  
baadbill : 12/14/2018 8:07 pm : link
literally became the best player in the NFL and was instantly the greatest LB and defensive player who ever lived. Not a year later. Not his 2nd game. Literally from the very first second his feet touched the turf in his very first practice.

LT instantly changed the entire game of football... the entire league had to adjust their defensive schemes and the type of OL they drafted... he was unblockable no matter how many players you used to try to block him.

Barkley is fun to watch. LT was seismic.
When you watch an LT  
Gregorio : 12/14/2018 8:21 pm : link
Highlight video, beside all the violent sacks, there are some plays where he first takes out a guard or the fullback, then proceeds to take out the QB. He was totally dominant on the field.


LT highlights - ( New Window )
Just STOP..  
blueblood : 12/15/2018 9:36 am : link
the answer is there is no comparison..
Like I said earlier  
djm : 12/15/2018 10:36 am : link
If Barkley goes on to completely dominate the sport for nine more years all the while lifting this offense to elite status and we win a super bowl or two? And by 2028 people are saying Barkley was the best running back they ever saw? Then we can talk. It’s fun to dream, sports should be fun once in a while. And Barkley hasn’t done anything here this rookie year to dispel any hope that he can be a HOF rb, maybe even a legendary RB.

Let it develop. Enjoy.
RE: Just STOP..  
djm : 12/15/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 14219259 blueblood said:
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the answer is there is no comparison..


There’s always room to compare. These are all just people playing a sport.

It’s going to be all but impossible to ever experience a player like LT because he was the perfect player to come along at the perfect time. He was talented, hungry, smart and played for the right time with the right staff. It wasn’t magic. It can happen again but it’s unlikely especially because the outside LB position wasn’t defined yet. LT defined it.

I still say as a pure talent and person, Barkley is the perfect specimen. No one has brought more attributes to the grid iron. Now things just have to fall into place. We need to get lucky.
Amazing how much  
joeinpa : 12/15/2018 10:57 am : link
Some fans live in the moment

Barkley 13 games into his career on a 5-8 team being compared to L. T. Is really a bit premature
RE: RE: Just STOP..  
BestFeature : 12/15/2018 11:07 am : link
In comment 14219306 djm said:
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In comment 14219259 blueblood said:


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the answer is there is no comparison..



There’s always room to compare. These are all just people playing a sport.

It’s going to be all but impossible to ever experience a player like LT because he was the perfect player to come along at the perfect time. He was talented, hungry, smart and played for the right time with the right staff. It wasn’t magic. It can happen again but it’s unlikely especially because the outside LB position wasn’t defined yet. LT defined it.

I still say as a pure talent and person, Barkley is the perfect specimen. No one has brought more attributes to the grid iron. Now things just have to fall into place. We need to get lucky.


This is exactly what I'm thinking. People seem to lack perspective comparing LT's impact on the game to Barkley's. If LT played in the 60s he'd have even more of an impact on the game. Different eras. The game was far less mature in the 80s and there was more room for innovation and improvement.
I think if you remember LT and his early years you may  
wgenesis123 : 12/15/2018 7:03 pm : link
be able to take some things and look for them with Barkley. With LT it actually took the coaches a couple years to really unleash his talent on the field. After an offseason I look for the Giants coaches to find ways to better utilize Barkley. I doubt anyone can match LT as a player but like LT, Barkley is clearly very special.
Nothing comparable  
arniefez : 12/15/2018 7:06 pm : link
Not one thing.
I wish we had John Madden doing the games with Barkley  
wgenesis123 : 12/15/2018 7:09 pm : link
like we did with LT. Collingsworth was pretty good with Barkley at articulating some special moments but to me Madden has no peer.
RE: RE: Just STOP..  
baadbill : 12/15/2018 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14219306 djm said:
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In comment 14219259 blueblood said:


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the answer is there is no comparison..



There’s always room to compare. These are all just people playing a sport.

It’s going to be all but impossible to ever experience a player like LT because he was the perfect player to come along at the perfect time. He was talented, hungry, smart and played for the right time with the right staff. It wasn’t magic. It can happen again but it’s unlikely especially because the outside LB position wasn’t defined yet. LT defined it.

I still say as a pure talent and person, Barkley is the perfect specimen. No one has brought more attributes to the grid iron. Now things just have to fall into place. We need to get lucky.


LT didn't play OLB, no less define it. He was listed on the roster as an OLB, but he played rover... he was allowed to line up where ever he wanted whenever he wanted. That's why QBs spent so much time locating him before the ball was snapped.
LT was dominating  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/16/2018 1:49 am : link
From the first preseason guy he played. He could win a game by himself, by his force of will. There will never be another
RE: LT was dominating  
baadbill : 12/16/2018 8:35 am : link
In comment 14219887 Paulie Walnuts said:
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From the first preseason guy he played. He could win a game by himself, by his force of will. There will never be another


Not only was he Rookie of the Year and All Pro his first season, he was the best player in football the second he was drafted. And it wasn't close or debatable.
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