has been non competitive. It’s been embarrassingly awful on either offense or defense or in the case of the last two years, both.
They have yet to show a clear vision and strategy as a football team since the last SB run and that’s through three coaches and two GM regimes.
The QB situation is a problem that has to be solved at some point soon in next two years if there’s any hope to turn things around substantially back into a contender.
But at the same time, the QB play (Eli) is so bad right now. This braintrust has a major dilemma this offseason: another year of Eli and his bullshit, a rookie, or a retread. I don’t think we win with any option.
Eli isn't the one missing the blocks and dropping the passes. Â
Amen when even the lower rounds don't at least provide depth
its really bad . As bad as things have been this season
were not all that far off but have another solid draft
we will be getting there .
After all the house cleaning and huge roster changes
we will probably end up with 2 more wins than last years pathetic outing
5 - 11 is also pretty terrible
RE: RE: 10 years of bad drafting will do that to you. Â
Amen when even the lower rounds don't at least provide depth
its really bad . As bad as things have been this season
were not all that far off but have another solid draft
we will be getting there .
Not that far off? Pretend for a minute that we didn’t face Nick Mullens, Chase Daniels, and Mark Sanchez. Then tell me if you still think we’re really “not that far off”.
Rewind to 2012 - we were viewed as a top tier operation, working our way into the New England/Pittsburgh class. Now we're a damn laughingstock.
Heading into the 4th quarter of the Pittsburgh game up 10 and looked to be heading for a W and 7-2 record. Since that 4th quarter it’s been mostly terrible. It started with a front office that didn’t recognize the OL was in massive decline. In a way the 2011 run masked the oline issues. Then when it recognized the issue, it was unable to replace the talent. It then carries on with a new front office not realizing that the face of the franchise was nearly done, and it doubled down on a losing strategy. Fast forward to the end of 2018 and you have one of the worst franchises in the NFL.
I don’t see how this season can be categorized as anything other than a massive failure. This was billed as win now and looks no where close to that.
but the biggest may be hiring Gettleman to correct those mistakes.
He has the key trait of the people who drove us into this ditch - indoctrination of the “Giants Way”. We needed someone new and completely untethered to this ancient foolishness.
RE: Eli isn't the one missing the blocks and dropping the passes. Â
and the Giants are basically right where they left off last year, a little better thanks to being healthier than last season.
Our hopes are pinned on a retread GM who mocks analytics and a HC with an abysmal NFL W-L record.
To make matters worse, a few phantom wins against shitty opposition took the one upside to this terrible season, a high draft pick, and knocked it down a few spots.
The Giants aren't getting better until they can embrace some serious change - a new FO with people they're not familiar with, an overhaul of the scouting department, and a change at QB. That's not to lay it at Eli's feet, but even if he starts next season and plays better, the team isn't going to bounce back given the rest of the shit around him.
Realistically, Giants were pegged to win somewhere between 6-8 games, and that still is an improvement on last year's debacle.
DG appears to have hit on several draft picks in Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter. At least, they show far more promise than the dregs drafted by the previous regime.
FA was a little less successful, but the OL needed a talent infusion, and we had to overpay for Solder, and struck out on Omameh.
Team has quite a few needs -- a successor for Eli, a LB, FS, RT, a pass rusher, another WR, perhaps a CB or 2.
Can we give him another offseason or two before we declare this a complete shitshow?
RE: A set of high draft picks, a bunch of FA money spent Â
and the Giants are basically right where they left off last year, a little better thanks to being healthier than last season.
Our hopes are pinned on a retread GM who mocks analytics and a HC with an abysmal NFL W-L record.
To make matters worse, a few phantom wins against shitty opposition took the one upside to this terrible season, a high draft pick, and knocked it down a few spots.
The Giants aren't getting better until they can embrace some serious change - a new FO with people they're not familiar with, an overhaul of the scouting department, and a change at QB. That's not to lay it at Eli's feet, but even if he starts next season and plays better, the team isn't going to bounce back given the rest of the shit around him.
That they appear to be seriously considering going with Eli in 2019 tells us where their heads are.
We are in the midst of yet another "one more run with Eli" plan.
RE: Only the most optimistic among us were hoping for playoffs this year Â
Realistically, Giants were pegged to win somewhere between 6-8 games, and that still is an improvement on last year's debacle.
DG appears to have hit on several draft picks in Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter. At least, they show far more promise than the dregs drafted by the previous regime.
FA was a little less successful, but the OL needed a talent infusion, and we had to overpay for Solder, and struck out on Omameh.
Team has quite a few needs -- a successor for Eli, a LB, FS, RT, a pass rusher, another WR, perhaps a CB or 2.
Can we give him another offseason or two before we declare this a complete shitshow?
You need two more seasons to declare this a shitshow?
Gettleman turned over how much of the roster - and this team basically turned in the same performance when you factor in last year's injuries.
FA was a complete bust - nobody *had* to overpay for Solder, and Omameh was so bad he didn't see the end of the season.
It's currently a shitshow - and if next year's results are the same, holding out for another year and expecting things to be different in 2020 isn't optimistic, it's insanity bordering on masochism.
RE: RE: A set of high draft picks, a bunch of FA money spent Â
That they appear to be seriously considering going with Eli in 2019 tells us where their heads are.
We are in the midst of yet another "one more run with Eli" plan.
I don't doubt it for one second. I don't think they're considering it - the only thing that will save them from that is Eli deciding he's had enough of it. It seems the Giants FO/mgt is the only one that hasn't received the memo that they're awful.
RE: RE: Only the most optimistic among us were hoping for playoffs this year Â
Realistically, Giants were pegged to win somewhere between 6-8 games, and that still is an improvement on last year's debacle.
DG appears to have hit on several draft picks in Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter. At least, they show far more promise than the dregs drafted by the previous regime.
FA was a little less successful, but the OL needed a talent infusion, and we had to overpay for Solder, and struck out on Omameh.
Team has quite a few needs -- a successor for Eli, a LB, FS, RT, a pass rusher, another WR, perhaps a CB or 2.
Can we give him another offseason or two before we declare this a complete shitshow?
You need two more seasons to declare this a shitshow?
Gettleman turned over how much of the roster - and this team basically turned in the same performance when you factor in last year's injuries.
FA was a complete bust - nobody *had* to overpay for Solder, and Omameh was so bad he didn't see the end of the season.
It's currently a shitshow - and if next year's results are the same, holding out for another year and expecting things to be different in 2020 isn't optimistic, it's insanity bordering on masochism.
I said an offseason or 2. I expect improvement going forward for this team. The areas for improvement are pretty clear at this point. If we're sitting here next December with a 5-9 squad with the same issues, then, he should feel some heat going forward. But, let's suppose the team does trend upward, and it's apparent the rebuild is happening.
All I'm saying is as fans, let's not be the franchise that turns over the front office/coaching staff every year. Some of you are convinced that PS and DG are doomed already, and I don't think you can say that yet.
The orginazation cleaned house after last season Â
There are a ton of needs and it takes a little time to correct all the previous mistakes.
Sure it would have been nice if in the first year with a new staff they had made the playoffs but it isn't an indication of anything that they didn't.
There is improvement from where this team was from week 17 last season. With one season under their belts to have a better handle on the teams needs and if they have another draft like this past one there will be even more next season.
RE: The orginazation cleaned house after last season Â
There are a ton of needs and it takes a little time to correct all the previous mistakes.
Sure it would have been nice if in the first year with a new staff they had made the playoffs but it isn't an indication of anything that they didn't.
There is improvement from where this team was from week 17 last season. With one season under their belts to have a better handle on the teams needs and if they have another draft like this past one there will be even more next season.
Hoping Accorsi as a consultant to tell us to hire Gettleman is not cleaning house. It's more of the same flawed methodology.
Of course they cleaned house. Your just not happy because they didn't do it in the way you would have. That still doesn't have any bearing on whether it's reasonable to expect much more improvement from week 17 last season than where they are at this point.
Of course they cleaned house. Your just not happy because they didn't do it in the way you would have. That still doesn't have any bearing on whether it's reasonable to expect much more improvement from week 17 last season than where they are at this point.
I'm not happy because the team is utterly pathetic for yet another year.
This year has been an unmitigated disaster. The efforts around here to paint it as something else miss the big picture.
Of course they cleaned house. Your just not happy because they didn't do it in the way you would have. That still doesn't have any bearing on whether it's reasonable to expect much more improvement from week 17 last season than where they are at this point.
Aside from Reese and Ross - what other changes were made to the FO/scouting department? They brought back Gettleman, and had one new face from the Panthers.
Meanwhile - you believe there was improvement over last season? The team is healthier this year, and added the 2nd overall pick in the draft - a guy that we've seen repeated here more times than I can count will be the best RB since Barry Sanders. Given where this team is offensively right now, do you honestly believe that marks improvement? Barkley and the health alone should have yielded more, without the other players drafted.
Meanwhile - the defense has declined.
Shurmur's record lifetime is 15-31. By Parcells' axiom, his record is what it says he is - a bad HC, and not by a small margin. This season doesn't seem to be any different from the complaints that surrounded him in CLE.
can recognize this team is currently in a better place than where they were when firing McAdoo last season. That was a low point and I think it's a little naive to believe in less than one year they would be a playoff contender and be disappointed to find out they aren't.
can recognize this team is currently in a better place than where they were when firing McAdoo last season.
Why?
Forget the playoffs. Few (myself included, you can check the season prediction threads) thought they were heading for the playoffs.
This team is lousy. There's no arrow pointing up - their wins against injury riddled teams (and a Houston team that was still trying to get it's shit together early on) shouldn't confuse you. They have no identity. There's nothing this team does well. There are few players who are good at what they do. And players were shipped out left and right for replacements who were either as bad or worse than the guys they replaced.
McAdoo, Reese and Ross needed to go. No doubt. Replacing them with shit wasn't going to solve the problem.
Where are we at the three most important spots beneath the owner? Â
GM: A soon to be 68 year old Luddite that proudly rejects analytics
Head Coach: A career loser that has shown himself incapable of managing a clock, timeouts, or just the general overall game. Expecting improvement requires a leap of faith, as we've seen no physical proof.
Quarterback: A cooked 15 year vet with nothing proven behind him on the quarterback depth chart.
If you want to know which way the wind is blowing, you don't need a weatherman.
Inferior QB’s like Mullens, Sanchez, and Daniels have jaded some fans into thinking this team is better than last year. This might be a 2-14 team if not for that trio of shit.
After all the house cleaning and huge roster changes
we will probably end up with 2 more wins than last years pathetic outing
5 - 11 is also pretty terrible
And this year would be a bigger joke because the team last year had tons of injuries and had no running game
11 OLineman and 9 RBs from 2007-present, you end up with a dogshit offensive line for a decade in a sport that is won in the trenches, particularly when the QB isn't a runner.
This is the result of a decade of a bad draft philosophy, bad draft results, and historic levels of injuries.
I'd make the same deal again. Totally worth it.
They could lose for the next 5 seasons and that “devil” deal of ‘07 and ‘11 was worth it many times over to me
Will Kyle dress for next week's blow out?
They have yet to show a clear vision and strategy as a football team since the last SB run and that’s through three coaches and two GM regimes.
The QB situation is a problem that has to be solved at some point soon in next two years if there’s any hope to turn things around substantially back into a contender.
There's a hell of a lot more wrong with this team than Eli. He's over somewhere on the second page of a very long list starting with the owner.
2 playoff wins in 2000
That's it since Bill Parcells left in 1990.
NY Jets have actually had more seasons with playoff wins 5 in that time but they're 0-3 in championship games.
The myth that the Giants are some kind of model franchise or consistent contenders is exactly that a myth.
The Giants are such a weird franchise. 3 Superbowls, 2 Championships and a whole lot of crap surrounding them in the past 25 years.
2 title runs. And no other playoff wins in any other season in Eli’s career. Fucking weird.
I know many fan bases have it much worse but this has been a brutal.
Amen when even the lower rounds don't at least provide depth
its really bad . As bad as things have been this season
were not all that far off but have another solid draft
we will be getting there .
we will probably end up with 2 more wins than last years pathetic outing
5 - 11 is also pretty terrible
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Amen when even the lower rounds don't at least provide depth
its really bad . As bad as things have been this season
were not all that far off but have another solid draft
we will be getting there .
Not that far off? Pretend for a minute that we didn’t face Nick Mullens, Chase Daniels, and Mark Sanchez. Then tell me if you still think we’re really “not that far off”.
Heading into the 4th quarter of the Pittsburgh game up 10 and looked to be heading for a W and 7-2 record. Since that 4th quarter it’s been mostly terrible. It started with a front office that didn’t recognize the OL was in massive decline. In a way the 2011 run masked the oline issues. Then when it recognized the issue, it was unable to replace the talent. It then carries on with a new front office not realizing that the face of the franchise was nearly done, and it doubled down on a losing strategy. Fast forward to the end of 2018 and you have one of the worst franchises in the NFL.
I don’t see how this season can be categorized as anything other than a massive failure. This was billed as win now and looks no where close to that.
He has the key trait of the people who drove us into this ditch - indoctrination of the “Giants Way”. We needed someone new and completely untethered to this ancient foolishness.
Correct. He's the one making terrible decisions and pathetic throws.
Our hopes are pinned on a retread GM who mocks analytics and a HC with an abysmal NFL W-L record.
To make matters worse, a few phantom wins against shitty opposition took the one upside to this terrible season, a high draft pick, and knocked it down a few spots.
The Giants aren't getting better until they can embrace some serious change - a new FO with people they're not familiar with, an overhaul of the scouting department, and a change at QB. That's not to lay it at Eli's feet, but even if he starts next season and plays better, the team isn't going to bounce back given the rest of the shit around him.
Says the Eli fanboy. On every thread.
DG appears to have hit on several draft picks in Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter. At least, they show far more promise than the dregs drafted by the previous regime.
FA was a little less successful, but the OL needed a talent infusion, and we had to overpay for Solder, and struck out on Omameh.
Team has quite a few needs -- a successor for Eli, a LB, FS, RT, a pass rusher, another WR, perhaps a CB or 2.
Can we give him another offseason or two before we declare this a complete shitshow?
Our hopes are pinned on a retread GM who mocks analytics and a HC with an abysmal NFL W-L record.
To make matters worse, a few phantom wins against shitty opposition took the one upside to this terrible season, a high draft pick, and knocked it down a few spots.
The Giants aren't getting better until they can embrace some serious change - a new FO with people they're not familiar with, an overhaul of the scouting department, and a change at QB. That's not to lay it at Eli's feet, but even if he starts next season and plays better, the team isn't going to bounce back given the rest of the shit around him.
That they appear to be seriously considering going with Eli in 2019 tells us where their heads are.
We are in the midst of yet another "one more run with Eli" plan.
DG appears to have hit on several draft picks in Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter. At least, they show far more promise than the dregs drafted by the previous regime.
FA was a little less successful, but the OL needed a talent infusion, and we had to overpay for Solder, and struck out on Omameh.
Team has quite a few needs -- a successor for Eli, a LB, FS, RT, a pass rusher, another WR, perhaps a CB or 2.
Can we give him another offseason or two before we declare this a complete shitshow?
You need two more seasons to declare this a shitshow?
Gettleman turned over how much of the roster - and this team basically turned in the same performance when you factor in last year's injuries.
FA was a complete bust - nobody *had* to overpay for Solder, and Omameh was so bad he didn't see the end of the season.
It's currently a shitshow - and if next year's results are the same, holding out for another year and expecting things to be different in 2020 isn't optimistic, it's insanity bordering on masochism.
That they appear to be seriously considering going with Eli in 2019 tells us where their heads are.
We are in the midst of yet another "one more run with Eli" plan.
I don't doubt it for one second. I don't think they're considering it - the only thing that will save them from that is Eli deciding he's had enough of it. It seems the Giants FO/mgt is the only one that hasn't received the memo that they're awful.
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Realistically, Giants were pegged to win somewhere between 6-8 games, and that still is an improvement on last year's debacle.
DG appears to have hit on several draft picks in Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter. At least, they show far more promise than the dregs drafted by the previous regime.
FA was a little less successful, but the OL needed a talent infusion, and we had to overpay for Solder, and struck out on Omameh.
Team has quite a few needs -- a successor for Eli, a LB, FS, RT, a pass rusher, another WR, perhaps a CB or 2.
Can we give him another offseason or two before we declare this a complete shitshow?
You need two more seasons to declare this a shitshow?
Gettleman turned over how much of the roster - and this team basically turned in the same performance when you factor in last year's injuries.
FA was a complete bust - nobody *had* to overpay for Solder, and Omameh was so bad he didn't see the end of the season.
It's currently a shitshow - and if next year's results are the same, holding out for another year and expecting things to be different in 2020 isn't optimistic, it's insanity bordering on masochism.
I said an offseason or 2. I expect improvement going forward for this team. The areas for improvement are pretty clear at this point. If we're sitting here next December with a 5-9 squad with the same issues, then, he should feel some heat going forward. But, let's suppose the team does trend upward, and it's apparent the rebuild is happening.
All I'm saying is as fans, let's not be the franchise that turns over the front office/coaching staff every year. Some of you are convinced that PS and DG are doomed already, and I don't think you can say that yet.
Sure it would have been nice if in the first year with a new staff they had made the playoffs but it isn't an indication of anything that they didn't.
There is improvement from where this team was from week 17 last season. With one season under their belts to have a better handle on the teams needs and if they have another draft like this past one there will be even more next season.
Sure it would have been nice if in the first year with a new staff they had made the playoffs but it isn't an indication of anything that they didn't.
There is improvement from where this team was from week 17 last season. With one season under their belts to have a better handle on the teams needs and if they have another draft like this past one there will be even more next season.
Hoping Accorsi as a consultant to tell us to hire Gettleman is not cleaning house. It's more of the same flawed methodology.
I'm not happy because the team is utterly pathetic for yet another year.
This year has been an unmitigated disaster. The efforts around here to paint it as something else miss the big picture.
Aside from Reese and Ross - what other changes were made to the FO/scouting department? They brought back Gettleman, and had one new face from the Panthers.
Meanwhile - you believe there was improvement over last season? The team is healthier this year, and added the 2nd overall pick in the draft - a guy that we've seen repeated here more times than I can count will be the best RB since Barry Sanders. Given where this team is offensively right now, do you honestly believe that marks improvement? Barkley and the health alone should have yielded more, without the other players drafted.
Meanwhile - the defense has declined.
Shurmur's record lifetime is 15-31. By Parcells' axiom, his record is what it says he is - a bad HC, and not by a small margin. This season doesn't seem to be any different from the complaints that surrounded him in CLE.
Why?
Forget the playoffs. Few (myself included, you can check the season prediction threads) thought they were heading for the playoffs.
This team is lousy. There's no arrow pointing up - their wins against injury riddled teams (and a Houston team that was still trying to get it's shit together early on) shouldn't confuse you. They have no identity. There's nothing this team does well. There are few players who are good at what they do. And players were shipped out left and right for replacements who were either as bad or worse than the guys they replaced.
McAdoo, Reese and Ross needed to go. No doubt. Replacing them with shit wasn't going to solve the problem.
Head Coach: A career loser that has shown himself incapable of managing a clock, timeouts, or just the general overall game. Expecting improvement requires a leap of faith, as we've seen no physical proof.
Quarterback: A cooked 15 year vet with nothing proven behind him on the quarterback depth chart.
If you want to know which way the wind is blowing, you don't need a weatherman.
So really you did't expect them to be any better than they are at this point but since they aren't choices you approve of it's a fail all the same.
we will probably end up with 2 more wins than last years pathetic outing
5 - 11 is also pretty terrible
And this year would be a bigger joke because the team last year had tons of injuries and had no running game
2 playoff wins in 2000
That's it since Bill Parcells left in 1990.
NY Jets have actually had more seasons with playoff wins 5 in that time but they're 0-3 in championship games.
The myth that the Giants are some kind of model franchise or consistent contenders is exactly that a myth.
Boo-friggin-hoo, how many other franchises would have sold their souls for those TWO SB"s!!!!!
This is the result of a decade of a bad draft philosophy, bad draft results, and historic levels of injuries.