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robbieballs2003 : 12/16/2018 4:50 pm
I know people complain about losing Snacks but, to me, that isn't even close to the issue. We have no contain, ever. That is assignment football and we just aren't a smart team let alone all the tackles that this team missed. This has been a common theme all year.

I know Bettcher has been given a pass by most because the talent just isn't there but I hate that this issue has not been remedied from the start of the year until now. Henry looked like Jacobs behind out 2008 OL. Disgusting.
it's like they never  
SHO'NUFF : 12/16/2018 4:53 pm : link
review game film
Vernon always takes the inside move  
Bill in TN : 12/16/2018 4:56 pm : link
Do you think other teams don't review our tape to see this?
This guy cannot be gone soon enough.
RE: Vernon always takes the inside move  
SHO'NUFF : 12/16/2018 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14221719 Bill in TN said:
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Do you think other teams don't review our tape to see this?
This guy cannot be gone soon enough.


I'm asking if we review our own tape. Unless he's doing what the coaches want him to do, OV should be benched for constantly crashing inside and losing containment.

It may very well be what the coaches want, because I don't remember OV having this problem in the past, especially from a veteran.

If this is what the coaches want, they should be canned.
Defensive backs  
Archer : 12/16/2018 5:02 pm : link
The Giants gave arguably the worst tackling backs in football

Riley and Webb are awful

Without Collins there was no run support
Don't remember Wynn  
Fred-in-Florida : 12/16/2018 5:03 pm : link
playing very much. Mauro was horrible. Don't know what the see in him.
Mauro was actually  
Bill in TN : 12/16/2018 5:05 pm : link
pretty active today. Had a couple bad penalties again him.
SHO'NUFF  
Bill in TN : 12/16/2018 5:08 pm : link
Agreed with your post. Just trying to add an offshoot to the discussion. I don't really like Vernon - never have. But apparently our coaches don't see his tendencies as well.
Don’t kid yourself  
jeff57 : 12/16/2018 5:11 pm : link
They miss Harrison.
big part of tackling is willingness  
bc4life : 12/16/2018 5:12 pm : link
didn't see that from anyone in the secondary today.

also didn't see much gang tackling.
these guys have been playing football their entire lives  
SHO'NUFF : 12/16/2018 5:21 pm : link
how are they such "pussies" at this level? I would never call a football player soft, at any level, but these fuckers are as soft as pillows.
They couldn’t stop the run  
Reb8thVA : 12/16/2018 5:28 pm : link
And when they did get the Titans in 3 and long they allowed the 28th ranked passing attack to convert. That is why they lost.
Do they teach these guys  
Bill in UT : 12/16/2018 5:35 pm : link
how to contain and tackle?
RE: Do they teach these guys  
SHO'NUFF : 12/16/2018 6:10 pm : link
In comment 14221829 Bill in UT said:
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how to contain and tackle?


you mean the kind of shit they should've learned in high school?
the Giants play today  
nochance : 12/16/2018 6:14 pm : link
It almost seems that the Giants had a little bit of a letdown
after scoring 40 pts in 3 Quarters against the skins. Its just the way they were out physicalled on both sides of the line
No Snacks, no Collins  
Vanzetti : 12/16/2018 6:24 pm : link
Two best players against the run. Henry just trucked our DBs at least a dozen times. Doubt he does that to Collins
Would like some Defense ...  
Bluesbreaker : 12/16/2018 6:35 pm : link
Need a Tackling machine that can stack and fill Goodson
ain't it I had hopes for him but without Collins and the
obvious move of Snacks shows how much they miss them .
Collins is one of the Best in football as is Snacks but
this draft is deep in Defense Both that Bama Boys the LT
and the NT are high on my wish list Edge rusher I love
Josh Allen . Vernon was a non factor they ran at him all
day long he had two lousy Tackles totally nullified in the
pass rush his third and final tackle was his moron Body slam
moment . I would like a FS ball hawk that can tackle as well
The Giants run D could be a lot better, but . . . .  
TC : 12/16/2018 6:47 pm : link
Derrick Henry is a full grown man who is a load for anyone to bring down. Hell, he falls for 2 or 3 more yards when he goes down. Plus he's got very good vision and just enough quicks and wiggles. Early in the game he took B J Hill for a 3 yard ride after contact.

That said, the DB's tackling technique has sucked forever, and doesn't seem to have improved. NYG's LB's are also not a very physical lot.

The Giants looked flat to me from when they came out, as if they'd rather be somewhere else. And the Titans are a big physical team that just put the hurt on them.
Just horrible  
PaulN : 12/16/2018 7:01 pm : link
Tackling, which was good last week, it tells you how poor the preparation was.
Draft  
idiotsavant : 12/16/2018 7:06 pm : link
1. LB (4/3 DE type not skinny edge only)
2. Center
3. Free Safety with wheels,ints and hits
4. LB (smart instinctive tough classic mob or ss tweener type that can drop)
5. NT (like the betch but for games like this you need one 340+ lb type)
6. DB of some kind
7. OT or Guard prospect
6
Typo mLb  
idiotsavant : 12/16/2018 7:07 pm : link
Not mOb
I.like the shurm but I wouldn't give him any  
idiotsavant : 12/16/2018 7:08 pm : link
Shiney new toys until he gets away from dome ball.
RE: Draft  
Jay on the Island : 12/16/2018 7:09 pm : link
In comment 14222035 idiotsavant said:
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1. LB (4/3 DE type not skinny edge only)
2. Center
3. Free Safety with wheels,ints and hits
4. LB (smart instinctive tough classic mob or ss tweener type that can drop)
5. NT (like the betch but for games like this you need one 340+ lb type)
6. DB of some kind
7. OT or Guard prospect
6

The Giants don't have a 3rd round pick. BPA all day. Drafting for need gets you players like Ereck Flowers in the top 10.
Obviously if there's no lb worthy you  
idiotsavant : 12/16/2018 7:21 pm : link
Don't draft one there. But it's a way of pointing out the emphasis and precluding the sort of fantasy that defined the Jerry Reese drafts.

Shiney Objects. Not.
Then. Why we bother....but..  
idiotsavant : 12/16/2018 7:26 pm : link
The flowers thing was forced as a result of the neglecting value at OT in similar situations in the recent prior years as well as piss poor evaluation method.

Not strictly as a result of a positional approach. That's a convenient way of justifying the mindless pure bpa approach.
Bettcher has gotten a bit of a pass but lack of talent isn’t a good  
Ivan15 : 12/16/2018 7:36 pm : link
excuse. Anyone can coach a defense with great talent. His job was to come up with a scheme to utilize existing talent effectively.

League history has a lot of defenses that turn around because of scheme and coaching without turning over all the talent.
No contain  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 12/16/2018 7:52 pm : link
Maybe containment isn't a part of Betcher's defensive scheme. JPP was excellent at that, and when he was traded one of the reasons given (other than the cap) was that he did not fit in Betcher's defense.
I don't know how we stop anyone ever.  
mittenedman : 12/16/2018 8:15 pm : link
We have hands down the worst D on paper in the NFL, and the worst pass rush. We have no talent.

Ogletree's a good player. Jackrabbit's a good player.

And that's it.

Vernon sucks this year. Tomlinson, Martin, Wynn, Mauro are JAGs. 3 rookies in Hill, Carter and Haley. Riley isn't an NFL player. Webb's a 4/5 CB. Barwin's finished.

Really, how do these guys ever stop anyone?

Today, they didn't. Bettcher has ZERO to work with aside from Ogletree who I think is having a great year. Fixing this D (pass rush) is the #1 priority.
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