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NFT: Mets sign Wilson Ramos to 2 year deal

Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 4:50 pm
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Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
Source: Ramos with #Mets is two-year deal, pending physical.


Price on Realmuto was supposedly too high. For 2 years and no draft pick given up, this is a very solid move. Very impressed with how BVW has kept his FA targets pretty close to the vest.
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Crazy how just losing Kelenic makes the system seem so much weaker  
Eric on Li : 12/17/2018 10:19 am : link
I wasn't all that high on Dunn but I guess that's part of it too (and Kilome tjs).

I do think thankfully think some of last year's pickups both in the draft and via trade will help continue move the system in the right direction. I'm really intrigued to see what Toffey does this year (after shoulder surgery?). Adolph looks like he was a good find. Plus all the SP coming back from TJS.

I may be crazy, but I'm even mildly interested to see if Lindsay's fall league performance was a fluke and how Thompson/Cecchini come back from their injuries. If there's another mcneil somewhere in the system it's probably 1 of those guys.
It's pretty crazy how...  
moze1021 : 12/17/2018 10:22 am : link
a simple free agent signing of Harper or Machado would put the Mets over the top and make them a legitimate force for the next few years..

It's right there in front of them...time to strike is now, especially with less in the farm system coming the next several years.

They haven't done it since Beltran. Time to make a run again....
Agree  
Shecky : 12/17/2018 10:30 am : link
One big move changes this franchise. Go for the big fish!

Lindsay. I’m done falling for him lol. Still has his believers, some see Pham lol.

I’d look at Buxton as Legares with upside. Certainly would pay for the prospect Buxton WAS. He can’t hit a slider. Period. But the talent is undeniable.
BA  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2018 10:31 am : link
had the Mets farm system at 27 and I can't tell if that's 2018 or for now and if it's with or without Kelenic because they talk about Dunn.

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New York Mets Farm System Overview For 2019

SEE THE METS TOP 10 MLB PROSPECTS

NOTABLE GRADUATIONS: RHP Chris Flexen (9), RHP Corey Oswalt (16), RHP Jacob Rhame (23), 2B Jeff McNeil (NR)

TRENDING: 🔼 McNeil looks like the real deal, but no other graduated prospect figures prominently

STRENGTHS: The outline of a future lineup is taking shape at the lower levels with third baseman Mark Vientos and shortstops Ronny Mauricio and Shervyen Newton all excelling in Rookie ball in 2018. First baseman Peter Alonso and shortstop Andres Gimenez will make their marks in the majors much sooner, either in 2019 or 2020. College arms Anthony Kay and David Peterson have similar ETAs.

WEAKNESSES: Much of the system’s top position talent is several years away from Queens, and the top 10 is high-risk, high-reward overall. Beyond Dunn, 2018 second-round high schooler Simeon Woods-Richardson and trade pickup Franklyn Kilome, the system lacks for righthanded starters and is tilted toward relief arms overall. Then Kilome had Tommy John surgery after the season and will miss all of 2019.



Evidently Frazier  
JayBinQueens : 12/17/2018 11:03 am : link
requested the locker next to Alonso to mentor him
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Frazier is a really good fit as super sub & in lockerroom  
Eric on Li : 12/17/2018 11:07 am : link
I don't know if he can still hack it in a corner OF spot, but even if not he's a gamer who won't hurt you as a starting player hitting 6th.

Just wish he wasn't handed a starting spot over Mcneil. Sort it out in ST and let the best guy play. Period. Unless he's barry bonds in ST they can make things even easier by starting Alonso in AAA for a month to get some momentum before introducing him to MLB pitching, which should be a plenty long evaluation period to see which of Frazier/McNeil should start at 3B from that point forward.
Is there a good Mets site for breaking news?  
csb : 12/17/2018 11:12 am : link
I'm still on MetsBlog think the product has gone to shit.....I also don't want to come to BBI every time I wasnt to read about the Mets.
RE: Is there a good Mets site for breaking news?  
Jim in Scranton : 12/17/2018 11:33 am : link
In comment 14223152 csb said:
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I'm still on MetsBlog think the product has gone to shit.....I also don't want to come to BBI every time I wasnt to read about the Mets.


https://metsmerizedonline.com/
RE: Is there a good Mets site for breaking news?  
ZGiants98 : 12/17/2018 11:35 am : link
In comment 14223152 csb said:
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I'm still on MetsBlog think the product has gone to shit.....I also don't want to come to BBI every time I wasnt to read about the Mets.

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almost everything just breaks on twitter from writers  
Eric on Li : 12/17/2018 12:09 pm : link
then all the sites pick it up at the same time. MLB.com tends to get the most in-depth confirmed info but it's usually a little delayed. Amazinavenue.com is to me the best of the met blogs but none of them are all that great.
I would strongly consider  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2018 12:17 pm : link
Frazier at 1B and move Dom Smith.

I realize Smith's value is low, but my plan would be:

1B: Frazier
2B: Cano
SS: Rosario
3B: Mcneil

next year Frazier is gone and if McNeil holds up ok at 3B he stays there, if not, he can move to 2B, but Cano heads to 1B (unless he's good at 2B).

If McNeil is good at 3B, Gimenez moves to 2B unless he shows he's superior to Rosario in the field then Rosario moves.

Problem with Cano at such a long term is it blocks Alonso, which is fine with me. I'm trading Alonso after he tears up Syracuse this year to an AL team for to restock the farm or for a legit young starting pitcher.
BVW already said he expects Alonso to be the starter at 1B  
ZGiants98 : 12/17/2018 12:21 pm : link
On opening day. Barring a really weak ST, I expect that to be the case.
Some great quotes from Familia  
Eric on Li : 12/17/2018 12:22 pm : link
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"One of my goals was to be back with the Mets. I told my agent if there was any possibility, I'm back. It's like family to me. That's why I'm here. It doesn't matter what inning I pitch. It's about winning."


Really great to hear that and have him back. During the 2 year playoff run there wasn't a player on the team more important than him. Cespedes obviously sparked the end of 2015, but then missed chunks of time in 2016. Harvey and JDG got hurt in 2016. In those 2 full seasons Familia pitched the 3rd most innings of any reliever (most of any closer) and was the 6th most valuable by fwar. He had a 2.2 ERA, 2.5 FIP, and was 2nd in baseball with 94 saves. He obviously blew the WC game in 2016 and allowed the Gordon homer, but he was also the difference beating the Dodgers in 5 games where he was perfect in 4 of them without even allowing a baserunner.

With Diaz in the fold he doesn't need to replicate that level of performance to be a good signing, but the fact that he has proven he can do that here in NY and he's still only 29 makes him a great signing.
Familia's sublte way at saying  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2018 12:31 pm : link
I'm not pitching more than one inning....

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...It doesn't matter what inning I pitch.


j/k....good stuff from Familia.
RE: BVW already said he expects Alonso to be the starter at 1B  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2018 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14223309 ZGiants98 said:
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On opening day. Barring a really weak ST, I expect that to be the case.


I think the word he used was he "wants" him to be, but he (BVW) also gave himself an out (if it's the same story I read) and said Mickey makes the lineup decisions.

But I suspect Alonso will be in Syracuse the first couple weeks at least so the Mets keep the extra year of control. And then who knows what happens.

I wonder if McNeil will play any SS  
debo_GIANTS : 12/17/2018 12:40 pm : link
I see he had some experience in the minors back in 2015. It will be interesting to see if he can adequately handle the position.

Saves the team a roster spot not having to bring in a middle infielder and allows them to keep a guy like TJ Rivera who has some pop coming off the bench.
RE: RE: BVW already said he expects Alonso to be the starter at 1B  
Eric on Li : 12/17/2018 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14223343 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14223309 ZGiants98 said:


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On opening day. Barring a really weak ST, I expect that to be the case.



I think the word he used was he "wants" him to be, but he (BVW) also gave himself an out (if it's the same story I read) and said Mickey makes the lineup decisions.

But I suspect Alonso will be in Syracuse the first couple weeks at least so the Mets keep the extra year of control. And then who knows what happens.


I tend to agree with this. If he hits .500 in ST with 10 homers I think he can change minds, but most likely he will start in Syracuse.
It's  
DanMetroMan : 12/17/2018 2:20 pm : link
only 12 team games, an absolute no brainer for a full year of control
Looks  
DanMetroMan : 12/17/2018 2:20 pm : link
like Ramos is taking Vargas number/bought it from Vargas.
RE: I would strongly consider  
Mike in NY : 12/17/2018 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14223301 pjcas18 said:
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Frazier at 1B and move Dom Smith.

I realize Smith's value is low, but my plan would be:

1B: Frazier
2B: Cano
SS: Rosario
3B: Mcneil

next year Frazier is gone and if McNeil holds up ok at 3B he stays there, if not, he can move to 2B, but Cano heads to 1B (unless he's good at 2B).

If McNeil is good at 3B, Gimenez moves to 2B unless he shows he's superior to Rosario in the field then Rosario moves.

Problem with Cano at such a long term is it blocks Alonso, which is fine with me. I'm trading Alonso after he tears up Syracuse this year to an AL team for to restock the farm or for a legit young starting pitcher.


I would consider giving Rosario and/or Gimenez reps in CF. Gimenez would be the more likely target unless Rosario is struggling because if he struggles at first you are only impacting a minor league team
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/17/2018 2:42 pm : link
Looking at the Mets TJ date's come ST TDA will be 10 months post surgery, Holderman as well (so odd are he'll miss most of the first half), Humphreys 18 months, Szapucki 19 months
Szapucki and Humphreys  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2018 3:04 pm : link
to STL to start?
Gimenez getting some reps in CF seems like a good idea  
Eric on Li : 12/17/2018 3:04 pm : link
if he's ready in a year and Rosario is still iffy at SS you can always flip him back and then consider Rosario elsewhere at that point in time.

Also Sickels is live tweeting the mets system right now. His rankings so far:

1- Gimenez (B+)
2- Alonso (B+)
3- Vientos (B-/B)
4- Mauricio (B-/B)
5- SWR (B-/B)
6- Newton (B-)
7- Peterson (B-)
8- Kay (B-)

Even without Kelenic already way better than a year ago when he only had 5 guys over the C level (including Guillorme).
That  
DanMetroMan : 12/17/2018 3:09 pm : link
just means Sickels didn't do a good job last year. Absolutely nobody is going to say the Mets system is better this year minus Kelenic, Dunn, Kilome, Drew Smith (graduated), Bashlor (graduated), Bautista, McNeil vs. this time last year. Even Law who is largely pro Met said as much.
RE: Szapucki and Humphreys  
DanMetroMan : 12/17/2018 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14223617 pjcas18 said:
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to STL to start?


No indication on either one. More interesting will be Newton/Mauricio. Hard to believe one is pulled off SS so one is likely going to be "left behind" in BK.
Gimenez has the speed you want in center field  
Ira : 12/17/2018 3:11 pm : link
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Gimenez  
DanMetroMan : 12/17/2018 3:13 pm : link
getting a look in CF 100% makes sense. They have zero OF depth in the upper minors and he's blocked for the time being.
RE: That  
Eric on Li : 12/17/2018 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14223630 DanMetroMan said:
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just means Sickels didn't do a good job last year. Absolutely nobody is going to say the Mets system is better this year minus Kelenic, Dunn, Kilome, Drew Smith (graduated), Bashlor (graduated), Bautista, McNeil vs. this time last year. Even Law who is largely pro Met said as much.


I was comparing to last year's preseason so they didn't have Kilome/Kelenic yet and obviously before a lot of these guys had good seasons that improved their stock. Alonso, Gimenez, Vientos especially (and Sickels always tends to lean more on the production side).
At least no one has suggested  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2018 3:15 pm : link
Alonso in the OF, that's a Mets thing to do.

1B is like the last bastion on defense. If you can't make it there, you're likely a DH.
Sickels  
DanMetroMan : 12/17/2018 3:17 pm : link
sadly lost his website. Always a nice guy, never was a big fan of his work. Started to realize he was too focused on statlines vs. scouting and also felt like he took of some other peoples scouting reports to form his opinions. I'm guessing he lost a lot of his connections post ESPN.
RE: At least no one has suggested  
DanMetroMan : 12/17/2018 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14223651 pjcas18 said:
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Alonso in the OF, that's a Mets thing to do.

1B is like the last bastion on defense. If you can't make it there, you're likely a DH.


If you can't play 1b you're basically not a big leaguer. You have to absolutely MASH to be a DH and stick very long. Those types have less and less value.
RE: Sickels  
Mike in NY : 12/17/2018 5:10 pm : link
In comment 14223656 DanMetroMan said:
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sadly lost his website. Always a nice guy, never was a big fan of his work. Started to realize he was too focused on statlines vs. scouting and also felt like he took of some other peoples scouting reports to form his opinions. I'm guessing he lost a lot of his connections post ESPN.


He definitely was not into toolsy guys who did not have matching production, unlike mlb.com. Sad to hear that he lost his website as he was always very nice to speak with and, unlike some of the other big names, would listen to opposing viewpoints rather than shoot them down.
,  
DanMetroMan : 12/17/2018 5:11 pm : link
Mets sign Rajai Davis to a minor league deal
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/17/2018 5:13 pm : link
Rajai Davis is 38 wow. Time flies. Last 2 seasons... -0.2 (that's negative) fWAR. Can still run but nothing else at this point. Syracuse filler? Sure. Otherwise. Yuck #Mets
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Eric on Li : 12/17/2018 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14223813 DanMetroMan said:
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Mets sign Rajai Davis to a minor league deal


hope they have a better contingency plan for Lagares than that but I've always liked him and it looks like he can still run and play D.
Wow  
DanMetroMan : 12/17/2018 5:29 pm : link
101 games played this year... 50 wRC+. Not a typo
The remaining teams interested in Realmuto  
Jay on the Island : 12/17/2018 7:04 pm : link
is down to the Reds, Dodgers, and Padres. The Marlins asked for Bellinger in return lol.
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CGiants07 : 12/17/2018 7:12 pm : link
In comment 14223816 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14223813 DanMetroMan said:


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Mets sign Rajai Davis to a minor league deal



hope they have a better contingency plan for Lagares than that but I've always liked him and it looks like he can still run and play D.


if they dont add another of they are counting on cespedes being back mid season
Another OF off the board  
Jay on the Island : 12/17/2018 7:59 pm : link
Michael Brantley is signing with the Astros. 2 years $32 million.
If Alonso starts the season in the Minors  
Rob in Rockaway : 12/17/2018 9:19 pm : link
will McNeil be at 1B and Frazier at 3B? That seems to make the most sense.

Maybe all teams have this issue and I just don't notice it but the Mets always seem to have guys playing out of their normal position.
If Alonso gets another year of control  
ZGiants98 : 12/17/2018 9:24 pm : link
from starting in the minors for only 12 team games then he absolutely should start there but if that's the plan I dont think you start making plans for anything other than Alonso being your full time 1B in 2019. That's literally nothing in terms of building the roster.
Playing with the lineup..  
ZGiants98 : 12/17/2018 9:28 pm : link
There will be many variations in the beginning if McNeil truly is a super sub and plays often....

Kind of like

Nimmo CF
McNeil LF
Alonso 1B
Cano 2B
Ramos C
Conforto RF
Frazier 3B
Rosario SS

Really lengthens things and splits the lefties up. Conforto may be too low but somebody is going to have to be there...

When Ces returns...

Nimmo CF
McNeil 3B
Cespedes LF
Cano 2B
Ramos C
Conforto RF
Alonso 1B
Rosario SS

Pretty deep as is. A guy like M. Gonzalez makes a ton of sense because he's flexible and can be moved around later. Do it.
RE: If Alonso gets another year of control  
DanMetroMan : 12/17/2018 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14224001 ZGiants98 said:
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from starting in the minors for only 12 team games then he absolutely should start there but if that's the plan I dont think you start making plans for anything other than Alonso being your full time 1B in 2019. That's literally nothing in terms of building the roster.


Yeah it's 12 team games and you control him for an additional season.
Rajai Davis  
jpkmets : 12/17/2018 10:14 pm : link
is a good signing -- post-season veteran pinch runner is now filled. :)
RE: Another OF off the board  
Shecky : 12/17/2018 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14223925 Jay on the Island said:
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Michael Brantley is signing with the Astros. 2 years $32 million.


Makes you wonder if they’re prepared to move a good young OF for a catcher. Wouldn’t surprise me if they’re ready to overpay.
RE: Rajai Davis  
SJGiant : 12/17/2018 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14224100 jpkmets said:
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is a good signing -- post-season veteran pinch runner is now filled. :)


Playoffs?... plaaayyyyooofffffss?
RE: RE: Rajai Davis  
jpkmets : 12/17/2018 11:09 pm : link
In comment 14224165 SJGiant said:
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In comment 14224100 jpkmets said:


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is a good signing -- post-season veteran pinch runner is now filled. :)



Playoffs?... plaaayyyyooofffffss?


Oh yeah -- hear me now, believe me later -- 2019 NL East Champs!
Seems  
DanMetroMan : 12/17/2018 11:12 pm : link
to be movement toward Tucker for Realmuto
If Rosario hits enough to bat 2nd it would really extend the lineup  
Eric on Li : 12/17/2018 11:21 pm : link
Nimmo makes most sense leading off. If you put Rosario behind him, that helps diffuse the other teams loogy bc Nimmo and Rosario both have big r/l splits. So late in games other teams either have to throw a righty against Nimmo's .900 OPS, or put a lefty in against Rosario who hit .285 against lefties last year, or substitute twice before even reaching Cano/Conforto. No great choice there.

2 lefties in a row with Cano/Conforto 3 & 4 isn't ideal, but they don't have glaring splits and the majority of the good setup men and closers are righties anyway.

Then Ramos or Frazier can hit 5th to start the year (eventually Alonso will hopefully hit 4 or 5).
Mcneil can hit 6th.
The other of Ramos/Frazier can hit 7th.
whoever plays CF hits 8th.

I really like the way the lineup is coming together and if they get a good CF even better.
RE: Seems  
Eric on Li : 12/17/2018 11:25 pm : link
In comment 14224179 DanMetroMan said:
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to be movement toward Tucker for Realmuto


That would make a lot of sense for both sides. Tucker is a really good looking prospect. Other than Vlad jr he is probably the most intriguing guy ready to play right away.
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