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Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 4:50 pm
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Source: Ramos with #Mets is two-year deal, pending physical.


Price on Realmuto was supposedly too high. For 2 years and no draft pick given up, this is a very solid move. Very impressed with how BVW has kept his FA targets pretty close to the vest.
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Perfect  
DanMetroMan : 12/16/2018 4:53 pm : link
he was my #1 C given the cost
Great news  
bigblue12 : 12/16/2018 4:54 pm : link
Made no sense to me to mortgage the farm for Realmuto. This is the best signing for them IMO
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CGiants07 : 12/16/2018 4:55 pm : link
2yr 19mil
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DanMetroMan : 12/16/2018 4:55 pm : link
for 19 per Heyman
Mets didn't do something stupid today!  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/16/2018 4:55 pm : link
Being honest.  
Beezer : 12/16/2018 4:55 pm : link
Knicks coming up. And just hearing about Ramos.

Not a crap day at all.

I like the Ramos signing, all Mets things considered.
Mets continue to upgrade  
pjcas18 : 12/16/2018 5:01 pm : link
their roster. Hard to complain about this.
what to like/dislike about Ramos  
Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 5:02 pm : link
first off, 2/19m is a great contract. Not much more than Realmuto will make these next 2 years - and costs nothing in prospects or draft picks.

out of all the available options, his bat fits what this team needs for a far lower cost than the other options. They needed a RH hitter and for his career he hits .300 against lefties. Grandal and Realmuto each have slightly more power, but ramos has pretty consistently hit 15-20 hrs each of the last few years while posting strong overall numbers.

So why was Ramos cheaper? Defense and durability. He's been a negative DRS fielder each of the past 3 years. Before that he was more of a defense first player and even posted a few back to back seasons as 1 of the top pitch framers in baseball, but I guess the injuries have slowed him down.

Recently Cervelli was my preferred option but hard to not like this signing a lot. Per season money is similar, 1 extra year of Ramos, no picks or prospects given up. Good deal. Piece by piece BVW is delivering.
Release Travis  
Big Blue Hokie : 12/16/2018 5:03 pm : link
Now release Travis, save money from the tender and put that towards Pollack and get a LH Reliever. If Brodie can pull this off , what a great offseason
Great signing at that price  
Jay on the Island : 12/16/2018 5:04 pm : link
Marlins with one less suitor for Realmuto.
I'm glad we didn't give up good young players for Realmuto.  
Ira : 12/16/2018 5:05 pm : link
How good is Ramos at throwing out base stealers?
This signing really makes opens up a ton of options with the next move  
Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 5:11 pm : link
prior to this the estimates were they had $25m left to spend. Let's say they now have $15m left. That's probably 1 more "impact" signing.

The obvious hole would be CF/Pollock.

At the same time, Miller + Robertson are both still out there. I know they said they are out on higher tier relievers, but if they could get either on a 2 year deal, I think the value add over a lesser middle reliever would be worth it - and they just roll with Lagares in CF (with a backup plan for when he inevitably gets hurt).

Or maybe they go for a more versatile player like Marwin who can play all over the OF and backup the IF.

Or a SP like Gio Gonzalez.

The 2 moves BVW has made since the Cano trade haven't been flashy, but they've been very shrewd. Excited to see what's next.
Nice job Brodie!  
Metnut : 12/16/2018 5:12 pm : link
Love the player and love the contract.

So happy we didnt give in to Jeter and the Marlins.
RE: Great signing at that price  
Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 5:12 pm : link
In comment 14221743 Jay on the Island said:
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Marlins with one less suitor for Realmuto.


2 less if the Braves really dropped out. That's 2 rumored finalists out in as many days.
RE: I'm glad we didn't give up good young players for Realmuto.  
Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14221744 Ira said:
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How good is Ramos at throwing out base stealers?


Middle of the pack according to statcast, but from what we had he seems to be an upgrade. His throw speed to 2B is 82.5mph, which compared to the guys we've watched is the same as Mesoraco, a little faster than Nido, and 5 mph faster than Plawecki. He's also faster out of the pop than both of them (slower than Nido). He's also slightly ahead of Grandal & Cervelli in both of those metrics - though well behind Realmuto who is tops at both.
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Gotta  
DanMetroMan : 12/16/2018 5:21 pm : link
believe TDA is dropped before ST. Hard to see the value in carrying 3 catchers, none are great defensive C's
RE: RE: Great signing at that price  
Jay on the Island : 12/16/2018 5:21 pm : link
In comment 14221766 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14221743 Jay on the Island said:


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Marlins with one less suitor for Realmuto.



2 less if the Braves really dropped out. That's 2 rumored finalists out in as many days.

Yep, I hope the Braves turn their attention toward Cervelli now.
Good job BVW  
KevinBBWC : 12/16/2018 5:23 pm : link
Nice contract length on the deal as well.
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DanMetroMan : 12/16/2018 5:23 pm : link
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Wilson Ramos to Mets at 2-years, $19 million is an enormous steal. Projects to be worth about $24 million in surplus value. Insane.
Nice signing. Now we can move on  
PhiPsi125 : 12/16/2018 5:25 pm : link
from JT Piazza Realmuto.

I didnt love the Cano deal but Im liking everything else that Brodie is doing. And is this how hes playing things (so close to the vest) then its easier to not get worked up about everything we hear.

Interested to see what the next move is going to be.
RE: Gotta  
SJGiant : 12/16/2018 5:25 pm : link
In comment 14221785 DanMetroMan said:
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believe TDA is dropped before ST. Hard to see the value in carrying 3 catchers, none are great defensive C's


I believe they still owe 1/6 of his tender if he is dropped before spring training.
The starting pitching was already very good; the bullpen is much  
Ira : 12/16/2018 5:26 pm : link
better; and now the batting order is taking shape. The Wilpon's made a good choice when they picked Brodie.
With the lack of quality catchers around the league  
Jay on the Island : 12/16/2018 5:26 pm : link
How did Ramos only get that? How is he as a pitch framed? I know about the injury history but still thats a lot less than I expected.
RE: RE: Gotta  
DanMetroMan : 12/16/2018 5:27 pm : link
In comment 14221794 SJGiant said:
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In comment 14221785 DanMetroMan said:


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believe TDA is dropped before ST. Hard to see the value in carrying 3 catchers, none are great defensive C's



I believe they still owe 1/6 of his tender if he is dropped before spring training.


Yup. But vs. 3 million as a 3rd catcher? I bet there hasn't been a 3rd catcher make 3 million in baseball history
someone check on shecky - martino says Plawecki on the block  
Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 5:28 pm : link
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Told that Mets current plan is to go with Ramos and dArnaud at catcher. Plawecki can be had in a trade, perhaps for the lefty reliever Mets need
Another great deal by new GM  
Vanzetti : 12/16/2018 5:28 pm : link
Like Cano, Ramos hits for average. balances out the low average pull hitters that the previous regime favored

I have to say I am very impressed with BVW. Guy is smart
Looks  
DanMetroMan : 12/16/2018 5:28 pm : link
like Plawecki is the one they will move per Martino. They want TDA to be the backup. Dangerous with 2 injury prone C's
So glad we didnt do Realmuto  
bhill410 : 12/16/2018 5:30 pm : link
Trade
RE: With the lack of quality catchers around the league  
Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 5:31 pm : link
In comment 14221798 Jay on the Island said:
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How did Ramos only get that? How is he as a pitch framed? I know about the injury history but still thats a lot less than I expected.


Was 45th out of 117 catchers last year according to BP. They had him as a slight positive overall.

In part of the season in 2017 he was worse, 91/111. Pre-injury in 2016 he was 6th best. 15th best in 2015.
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Marlins wanted international money to damn  
KevinBBWC : 12/16/2018 5:31 pm : link
Andy Martino

Also, Mets didnt want to give up international money in a Realmuto trade, among other concerns.

They were also weighing the Yankees heavy pursuit of Syndergaard, I was just told, but just that signing Ramos was easier than all that
RE: Looks  
Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14221804 DanMetroMan said:
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like Plawecki is the one they will move per Martino. They want TDA to be the backup. Dangerous with 2 injury prone C's


I'd rather keep Plawecki than TDA but neither has been durable. Do either of them have options left if they want to keep all 3?
RE: someone check on shecky - martino says Plawecki on the block  
Vanzetti : 12/16/2018 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14221802 Eric on Li said:
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Told that Mets current plan is to go with Ramos and dArnaud at catcher. Plawecki can be had in a trade, perhaps for the lefty reliever Mets need


Except the beat writers have been wrong way more than normal, which means maybe BVW is using them. We kept hearing Realmuto and then Grandal as the backup plan. Maybe Ramos heard that too. Hard to say for sure.

Plus, can Mets count on TDA as the backup, given his injury history? It will be interesting to see what transpires
I'd cut  
pjcas18 : 12/16/2018 5:34 pm : link
TDA (or try and trade him which I think they did already with no luck) and trade Plawecki and sign a guy who is JUST a defensive whiz behind the plate, if one exists.

Obviously Ramos is an injury risk, but I expect him to catch 110 - 120 games (hopefully more, but that's where I'd set the bar).

You can carry a black hole if he can be a plus defender IMO.
Brodie  
OBJRoyal : 12/16/2018 5:36 pm : link
Many Mets fans were not happy with him being hired, but he has been aggressive and probably won many of those fans over
Whoohoo!  
ZGiants98 : 12/16/2018 5:37 pm : link
Wanted Ramos more than Grandal. Thought BVW had soured on him! Nice!!
Mystery options at CF?  
KevinBBWC : 12/16/2018 5:39 pm : link
Jon Heyman
‏mets have accomplished 4 of their main goals, with only CF and a lefty reliever to go. CF is their next target. they like pollock but are said to have a couple mystery options, as well


Wonder who the mystery options could be?
Get me one more reliever  
ZGiants98 : 12/16/2018 5:40 pm : link
And a RH hitting OF and lets rock!
RE: Brodie  
pjcas18 : 12/16/2018 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14221834 OBJRoyal said:
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Many Mets fans were not happy with him being hired, but he has been aggressive and probably won many of those fans over


I don't think any fans should be reaching any final conclusions 6 weeks into his tenure.

Not sure he's won anyone over or lost anyone yet. I wasn't happy with the Cano trade, but you can't deny the team is better today, so for that I'll be patient and see what happens.

but I haven't reached any decisions (not that it matters what I think anyway)
RE: Brodie  
Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14221834 OBJRoyal said:
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Many Mets fans were not happy with him being hired, but he has been aggressive and probably won many of those fans over


I'd say fans were more hesitant than not happy, but he's definitely winning me over. The hires in the FO have all been praised, he showed guts and creativity with the Diaz/Cano deal, and he's shrewdly signed 2 good players in FA to reasonable deals. Very good offseason already and hopefully a few more moves to go.
RE: Mystery options at CF?  
Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 5:49 pm : link
In comment 14221841 KevinBBWC said:
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Jon Heyman
‏mets have accomplished 4 of their main goals, with only CF and a lefty reliever to go. CF is their next target. they like pollock but are said to have a couple mystery options, as well


Wonder who the mystery options could be?


I'm very curious about that as well. Not sure what it would take but a guy like Kevin Pillar could make sense competing with Lagares.
RE: Looks  
Jay on the Island : 12/16/2018 5:50 pm : link
In comment 14221804 DanMetroMan said:
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like Plawecki is the one they will move per Martino. They want TDA to be the backup. Dangerous with 2 injury prone C's

Sorry Shecky.
If they move Plawecki and keep D'Arnaud, they should take care to  
Ira : 12/16/2018 5:53 pm : link
have someone serviceable in AAA - just in case.
here's a thought - Vargas ($10m) for Rusney Castillo ($24.5m/2years)  
Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 5:55 pm : link
Obviously our new FO is pretty familiar with Castillo's situation, Red Sox have buried him in AAA to avoid lux tax. But he's played very well there slashing .315/.355/.450 over the past couple seasons. wRC over 120 each season. 31 years old now but previous rated as a positive DRS OF'er in all 3 positions.

Maybe the sox kick in a few million extra to help offset taking on the 2nd year.
Does anyone think  
Vanzetti : 12/16/2018 5:57 pm : link
The Cano/Diaz deal helped convince Familia and Ramos to sign? Like the Beltran deal helped recruit Pedro?

Or was it all just about the money?
Ramos deal also has team option?  
KevinBBWC : 12/16/2018 5:59 pm : link
Ken Davidoff

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The full $26 million would be realized if the #Mets exercise a team option for 2021.


James Wagner


Ramos is due $8.25M in 2019 & $9.25M in 2020. Plus $1.5M buyout for the 2021 team option of $10M, thats $19M guaranteed, per source.

And apologies for any delay or lack of credit; Im on a plane. @DaniAlvarez_16 had Ramos agreement first. @SteveGelbs is sitting across from me.
RE: here's a thought - Vargas ($10m) for Rusney Castillo ($24.5m/2years)  
pjcas18 : 12/16/2018 5:59 pm : link
In comment 14221885 Eric on Li said:
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Obviously our new FO is pretty familiar with Castillo's situation, Red Sox have buried him in AAA to avoid lux tax. But he's played very well there slashing .315/.355/.450 over the past couple seasons. wRC over 120 each season. 31 years old now but previous rated as a positive DRS OF'er in all 3 positions.

Maybe the sox kick in a few million extra to help offset taking on the 2nd year.


Right team, maybe a different proposal, maybe Plawecki, Vargas and a prospect for Jackie Bradley Jr.


Plawecki had a higher WAR than any Red Sox catcher.
Another nice point about Ramos from this ESPN article.  
Ira : 12/16/2018 6:00 pm : link
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Ramos also has been lauded for his veteran presence in the clubhouse and his ability to handle pitching staffs.

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RE: Does anyone think  
Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 6:01 pm : link
In comment 14221889 Vanzetti said:
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The Cano/Diaz deal helped convince Familia and Ramos to sign? Like the Beltran deal helped recruit Pedro?

Or was it all just about the money?


I doubt it in Familia's case bc he said he consistently said he wanted to be here going back to last season, and if anything I think there was probably more question about whether or not he'd be willing to do that as a non-closer. With Ramos I think we were more the beneficiary of a saturated catching market. Realmuto, Grandal, Cervelli, Martin, Maldonado. Lot of options out there and he was clearly a middle tier option.
RE: RE: here's a thought - Vargas ($10m) for Rusney Castillo ($24.5m/2years)  
Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 6:03 pm : link
In comment 14221896 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14221885 Eric on Li said:


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Obviously our new FO is pretty familiar with Castillo's situation, Red Sox have buried him in AAA to avoid lux tax. But he's played very well there slashing .315/.355/.450 over the past couple seasons. wRC over 120 each season. 31 years old now but previous rated as a positive DRS OF'er in all 3 positions.

Maybe the sox kick in a few million extra to help offset taking on the 2nd year.



Right team, maybe a different proposal, maybe Plawecki, Vargas and a prospect for Jackie Bradley Jr.


Plawecki had a higher WAR than any Red Sox catcher.


JBJ would probably cost Wheeler or Matz - and I think there's probably some merit to that discussion for both sides. I probably wouldn't do Wheeler but I would do Matz + Plawecki.
I definitely wouldn't do Wheeler, probably wouldn't do Matz  
pjcas18 : 12/16/2018 6:07 pm : link
and my preference would be a prospect with Plaw and Vargas.

JBJ had one outlier year, but he's mostly a pure defensive player. He's a sub-100 wRC+ player the past couple seasons (and most of his career).

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