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Source: Ramos with #Mets is two-year deal, pending physical. |
Price on Realmuto was supposedly too high. For 2 years and no draft pick given up, this is a very solid move. Very impressed with how BVW has kept his FA targets pretty close to the vest.
Not a crap day at all.
I like the Ramos signing, all Mets things considered.
out of all the available options, his bat fits what this team needs for a far lower cost than the other options. They needed a RH hitter and for his career he hits .300 against lefties. Grandal and Realmuto each have slightly more power, but ramos has pretty consistently hit 15-20 hrs each of the last few years while posting strong overall numbers.
So why was Ramos cheaper? Defense and durability. He's been a negative DRS fielder each of the past 3 years. Before that he was more of a defense first player and even posted a few back to back seasons as 1 of the top pitch framers in baseball, but I guess the injuries have slowed him down.
Recently Cervelli was my preferred option but hard to not like this signing a lot. Per season money is similar, 1 extra year of Ramos, no picks or prospects given up. Good deal. Piece by piece BVW is delivering.
The obvious hole would be CF/Pollock.
At the same time, Miller + Robertson are both still out there. I know they said they are out on higher tier relievers, but if they could get either on a 2 year deal, I think the value add over a lesser middle reliever would be worth it - and they just roll with Lagares in CF (with a backup plan for when he inevitably gets hurt).
Or maybe they go for a more versatile player like Marwin who can play all over the OF and backup the IF.
Or a SP like Gio Gonzalez.
The 2 moves BVW has made since the Cano trade haven't been flashy, but they've been very shrewd. Excited to see what's next.
So happy we didnt give in to Jeter and the Marlins.
2 less if the Braves really dropped out. That's 2 rumored finalists out in as many days.
Middle of the pack according to statcast, but from what we had he seems to be an upgrade. His throw speed to 2B is 82.5mph, which compared to the guys we've watched is the same as Mesoraco, a little faster than Nido, and 5 mph faster than Plawecki. He's also faster out of the pop than both of them (slower than Nido). He's also slightly ahead of Grandal & Cervelli in both of those metrics - though well behind Realmuto who is tops at both.
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Marlins with one less suitor for Realmuto.
2 less if the Braves really dropped out. That's 2 rumored finalists out in as many days.
Yep, I hope the Braves turn their attention toward Cervelli now.
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Wilson Ramos to Mets at 2-years, $19 million is an enormous steal. Projects to be worth about $24 million in surplus value. Insane.
I didnt love the Cano deal but Im liking everything else that Brodie is doing. And is this how hes playing things (so close to the vest) then its easier to not get worked up about everything we hear.
Interested to see what the next move is going to be.
I believe they still owe 1/6 of his tender if he is dropped before spring training.
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believe TDA is dropped before ST. Hard to see the value in carrying 3 catchers, none are great defensive C's
I believe they still owe 1/6 of his tender if he is dropped before spring training.
Yup. But vs. 3 million as a 3rd catcher? I bet there hasn't been a 3rd catcher make 3 million in baseball history
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Told that Mets current plan is to go with Ramos and dArnaud at catcher. Plawecki can be had in a trade, perhaps for the lefty reliever Mets need
I have to say I am very impressed with BVW. Guy is smart
Was 45th out of 117 catchers last year according to BP. They had him as a slight positive overall.
In part of the season in 2017 he was worse, 91/111. Pre-injury in 2016 he was 6th best. 15th best in 2015.
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Also, Mets didnt want to give up international money in a Realmuto trade, among other concerns.
They were also weighing the Yankees heavy pursuit of Syndergaard, I was just told, but just that signing Ramos was easier than all that
I'd rather keep Plawecki than TDA but neither has been durable. Do either of them have options left if they want to keep all 3?
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Told that Mets current plan is to go with Ramos and dArnaud at catcher. Plawecki can be had in a trade, perhaps for the lefty reliever Mets need
Except the beat writers have been wrong way more than normal, which means maybe BVW is using them. We kept hearing Realmuto and then Grandal as the backup plan. Maybe Ramos heard that too. Hard to say for sure.
Plus, can Mets count on TDA as the backup, given his injury history? It will be interesting to see what transpires
Obviously Ramos is an injury risk, but I expect him to catch 110 - 120 games (hopefully more, but that's where I'd set the bar).
You can carry a black hole if he can be a plus defender IMO.
mets have accomplished 4 of their main goals, with only CF and a lefty reliever to go. CF is their next target. they like pollock but are said to have a couple mystery options, as well
Wonder who the mystery options could be?
I don't think any fans should be reaching any final conclusions 6 weeks into his tenure.
Not sure he's won anyone over or lost anyone yet. I wasn't happy with the Cano trade, but you can't deny the team is better today, so for that I'll be patient and see what happens.
but I haven't reached any decisions (not that it matters what I think anyway)
I'd say fans were more hesitant than not happy, but he's definitely winning me over. The hires in the FO have all been praised, he showed guts and creativity with the Diaz/Cano deal, and he's shrewdly signed 2 good players in FA to reasonable deals. Very good offseason already and hopefully a few more moves to go.
mets have accomplished 4 of their main goals, with only CF and a lefty reliever to go. CF is their next target. they like pollock but are said to have a couple mystery options, as well
Wonder who the mystery options could be?
I'm very curious about that as well. Not sure what it would take but a guy like Kevin Pillar could make sense competing with Lagares.
Sorry Shecky.
Maybe the sox kick in a few million extra to help offset taking on the 2nd year.
Or was it all just about the money?
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The full $26 million would be realized if the #Mets exercise a team option for 2021.
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Ramos is due $8.25M in 2019 & $9.25M in 2020. Plus $1.5M buyout for the 2021 team option of $10M, thats $19M guaranteed, per source.
And apologies for any delay or lack of credit; Im on a plane. @DaniAlvarez_16 had Ramos agreement first. @SteveGelbs is sitting across from me.
Maybe the sox kick in a few million extra to help offset taking on the 2nd year.
Right team, maybe a different proposal, maybe Plawecki, Vargas and a prospect for Jackie Bradley Jr.
Plawecki had a higher WAR than any Red Sox catcher.
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Or was it all just about the money?
I doubt it in Familia's case bc he said he consistently said he wanted to be here going back to last season, and if anything I think there was probably more question about whether or not he'd be willing to do that as a non-closer. With Ramos I think we were more the beneficiary of a saturated catching market. Realmuto, Grandal, Cervelli, Martin, Maldonado. Lot of options out there and he was clearly a middle tier option.
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Obviously our new FO is pretty familiar with Castillo's situation, Red Sox have buried him in AAA to avoid lux tax. But he's played very well there slashing .315/.355/.450 over the past couple seasons. wRC over 120 each season. 31 years old now but previous rated as a positive DRS OF'er in all 3 positions.
Maybe the sox kick in a few million extra to help offset taking on the 2nd year.
Right team, maybe a different proposal, maybe Plawecki, Vargas and a prospect for Jackie Bradley Jr.
Plawecki had a higher WAR than any Red Sox catcher.
JBJ would probably cost Wheeler or Matz - and I think there's probably some merit to that discussion for both sides. I probably wouldn't do Wheeler but I would do Matz + Plawecki.
JBJ had one outlier year, but he's mostly a pure defensive player. He's a sub-100 wRC+ player the past couple seasons (and most of his career).