NFT: Mets sign Wilson Ramos to 2 year deal

I�d be real happy with that if I were a NYM fan.

Plawecki is the better player and that doesn't even take into account TDA's lengthy injury history.

Yasmani Grandal:
0.242/0.344/0.449/0.793 deserved slash, 15.7 framing runs

JT Realmuto:
0.269/0.333/0.458/0.790 deserved slash, -0.4 framing runs

Wilson Ramos:
0.276/0.336/0.449/0.784 deserved slash, 0.3 framing runs
(per @baseballpro)

Don't know who will have the best 2019 but I do know who was cheapest to acquire. Hard to not like this move.

This fucking guy Johnny Bench? Give me a break already. Good move for the Mets, why trade a potentially great pitcher for a good catcher, that never did make any sense.

In comment 14221958 Jay on the Island said:

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Plawecki is the better player and that doesn't even take into account TDA's lengthy injury history.

What they say and what they think may be two different things. They may be propping up TDA value fir a trade.

maybe just park him in extended ST for a while. Between the 3 of them it's unlikely more than 2 are healthy by the trade deadline anyway.

In comment 14221981 Eric on Li said:

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maybe just park him in extended ST for a while. Between the 3 of them it's unlikely more than 2 are healthy by the trade deadline anyway.

This is the smart move. What happens if they waive TDA and then Ramos or Plawecki are injured in ST and miss an extended period of time.

really like this over the reported asking prices for Realmuto.

Pollock ad a LHRP and lets win this thing.

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mets have accomplished 4 of their main goals, with only CF and a lefty reliever to go. CF is their next target. they like pollock but are said to have a couple mystery options, as well

(...being primarily a Yankees fan), but this is a really good move by the Mets. Not a whole lotta catchers hit better than Wilson Ramos! This is just what the doctor ordered and the Mets didn't have to surrender any talent. Very solid pick up!!!

In comment 14221869 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 14221804 DanMetroMan said: Quote: like Plawecki is the one they will move per Martino. They want TDA to be the backup. Dangerous with 2 injury prone C's Sorry Shecky.

Now you know why I was so effin cranky last night?!?!?

Rosario
Nimmo
Cano
Conforto
Ramos
Alonso
McNeil/Frazier
Center Fielder

In comment 14222057 Ira said:

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Rosario Nimmo Cano Conforto Ramos Alonso McNeil/Frazier Center Fielder

If Pollack is in CF that lineup changes quite a bit I would think.

There was talk of TDA getting some time at 1B and maybe CO before. I could maybe see him taking the Flores role on the team and being a RH hitter off the bench with some pop in the chance everyone is healthy at the same time.

I was posting something a worst case scenario. :)

In comment 14222095 Ira said:

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I was posting something a worst case scenario. :)

Yes no sweat just keeping the conversation going!

a higher potential upside in him despite all the previous disappointments?

But boy am I going to miss all those hysterical Marlins rumors now. They sure were entertaining.

In comment 14222047 Shecky said:

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In comment 14221869 Jay on the Island said: Quote: In comment 14221804 DanMetroMan said: Quote: like Plawecki is the one they will move per Martino. They want TDA to be the backup. Dangerous with 2 injury prone C's Sorry Shecky. Now you know why I was so effin cranky last night?!?!?

It was obvious to the casual poster that you were not yourself. I am glad you are back down to earth.

Gimenez + obviously. What a cherry on top that would be.

if you count his options years. He probably costs at least Rosario.

In comment 14222153 ZGiants98 said:

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if you count his options years. He probably costs at least Rosario.

That's about right.

he doesnt have good legs. Its not a bad signing but I think his best days are behind him.

In comment 14222057 Ira said:

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Rosario Nimmo Cano Conforto Ramos Alonso McNeil/Frazier Center Fielder

Team needs another bat

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In comment 14222188 TD said:

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agreed. Really like these moves.

Just from a MLB roster standpoint, hard to say team is not dramatically improved from last year:

Out -- Blevins, Flores, Swarzak, Bruce, (likely) Plawecki

In -- Cano, Diaz, Familia, Ramos

need a LOOGY (Ollie P, maybe)? and possibly a CF -- really to me depends on how Cespedes' doctors are finding his recovery.

Cespedes' bat would just look great in this lineup with Conforto sliding to CF.

But, I recognize Cespedes can't be counted on for anything, so Pollock would be a really nice get.

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But boy am I going to miss all those hysterical Marlins rumors now. They sure were entertaining.

Not sure if you are being serious or sarcastic. Clearly, you are plugged in and have more details than the rest of us. However, the �rumors� is all we�ve got to go on. We don�t have the luxury of truly knowing if something is serious or not. Outside of what is reported and your rare extremely cryptic, vague posts.

That and decades of horrible decisions have jaded us lol.

You can only tie up so many multi-year contracts on injury prone players. Plus they have Lagares + Cespedes, who are both complete unknowns but potential contributors if healthy. Need another option for CF to protect whenever Lagares gets hurt next, but that can be a 1 year type of 3.5 OF'er. A better version of Austin Jackson.

has zero value as a sometime 1b. They have Alonso and Frazier. How many AB's is he getting over there? Career 102 wRC+ vs. lefties. What's the point? At 3 million? Major pass.

Alonso, Frazier, Cano all have 1b experience and they want McNeil to get some reps there. TDA is just not a good player at 3 million if he's not the backup C with Plawecki gone.

In comment 14222130 Shecky said:

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But boy am I going to miss all those hysterical Marlins rumors now. They sure were entertaining.

Had to have been Marlins leaks to drum up prices elsewhere, right? This FO doesn't seem to talk a lot. Ramos and Familia came out of nowhere.

After speaking with Ramos and his camp during the Winter Meetings, the Mets came away �extremely impressed� by the catcher, according to SNY.tv�s Andy Martino (Twitter links). It also didn�t hurt that Ramos was seeking a lesser contract than Yasmani Grandal, who is looking for a four-year deal. Kevin Plawecki may now be the odd man out of New York�s catching mix, as Martino hears that the Mets are currently planning to use Travis d�Arnaud for the backup job behind Ramos, and Plawecki could now be a trade chip.
The Mets were heavily involved in trade talks for J.T. Realmuto, though ultimately didn�t want to surrender �significant talent off the Major League roster� in a deal, Martino tweets. Names like Amed Rosario, Brandon Nimmo, and Michael Conforto had all been mentioned as possible targets for the Marlins, though Miami�s desire to land more than one of these players seems to have ultimately been the Mets� breaking point in talks. Martino also mentions that the Mets, Marlins, and Padres had some talks about a three-team deal that would�ve involved both Realmuto and Noah Syndergaard, with those negotiations lasting �up until the end of winter meetings and perhaps beyond.�
Joel Sherman of the New York Post likes the Ramos signing, calling it �the right move� for the Mets rather than trade young players for someone like Realmuto. The Mets can now keep Nimmo and company as potential trade chips for midseason additions, if such move are necessary. If the Mets don�t end up contending, Sherman points out that Ramos himself could potentially be dealt at the deadline, as his contract doesn�t represent a long-term hit for either the Mets or any possible trade suitor.
According to Heyman, the Mets were Ramos� first choice this winter. The Dodgers also had interest, though only on a one-year contract, Jorge Castillo of the L.A. Times tweets. The Rays and Phillies, Ramos� most recent teams, didn�t strongly pursue a reunion, Yahoo Sports� Jeff Passan reports. Philadelphia has youngster Jorge Alfaro, of course, while Tampa Bay made another addition behind the plate in acquiring Mike Zunino from the Mariners.
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In comment 14222130 Shecky said: Quote: But boy am I going to miss all those hysterical Marlins rumors now. They sure were entertaining. Not sure if you are being serious or sarcastic. Clearly, you are plugged in and have more details than the rest of us. However, the �rumors� is all we�ve got to go on. We don�t have the luxury of truly knowing if something is serious or not. Outside of what is reported and your rare extremely cryptic, vague posts. That and decades of horrible decisions have jaded us lol.

Come on Phi, some of those were hysterical!!!!
Realmuto was obvious the primary target, they loved him. And a certain someone had to be appeased. Went after him hard, Marlins were being ridiculous to work with. So Brody kept letting it out. Did so for a few reasons. Embarras the Marlins and most importantly to show somehow how up in arms the fans were getting with each rumor.

Ramos was wayyyy down the list of targets. But how often does a player sell himself to a team??? He was dying to work with this staff, and let it be known. And wanted to play in NYC. Really blew Brody away.

I wouldn�t expect AJ, but who knows what will,happen. Getting Ramos so cheap really opens up so many more options...

was always my first choice. He's not the best player of the bunch but he's good, proven and the price was right.

I personally hope the option that goes back on the table is Miller. He's certainly a gamble, but if you added him to the mix and he's back to normal all of a sudden you are talking about the BP possibly being even stronger than the starting rotation. Maybe he'd even be into a big ($15m) 1 year deal to try to re-establish his value?

Then add some depth around the edges with smaller trades. Maybe move Dom for an athletic CF. Sign some depth SP's for Syracuse.

Do that and it doesn't matter if Vargas is your 5th starter. Worst case you replace him with Lugo at some point. Or call up Colon from Syracuse.

need AAA OF and SP depth very, very badly. It's scary thin

reason TDA or Plawecki are gone... 4 catchers on the 40 man? No chance.

In comment 14222383 DanMetroMan said:

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was always my first choice. He's not the best player of the bunch but he's good, proven and the price was right.

For whatever reason he seemed to be undervalued the past few years even beyond the injury (and especially at the trade deadline this year) so that made me think there was something teams didn't like about him. But glad to hear that he impressed them and specifically wanted to be here.

In comment 14222402 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 14222383 DanMetroMan said: Quote: was always my first choice. He's not the best player of the bunch but he's good, proven and the price was right. For whatever reason he seemed to be undervalued the past few years even beyond the injury (and especially at the trade deadline this year) so that made me think there was something teams didn't like about him. But glad to hear that he impressed them and specifically wanted to be here.

He's not very durable and his reputation calling pitches isn't the best but with Mickey/Eiland it should be less of an issue. Kidnapped in 2011. Nuts

In comment 14222395 DanMetroMan said:

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reason TDA or Plawecki are gone... 4 catchers on the 40 man? No chance.

Can't they manipulate the 40 man with DL? I'd honestly start the year with TDA on the 60 day DL and let him really ease his way back. His TJS was on april 17th last year so wouldn't it be relatively surprising for him to be at 100% before May anyway?

In comment 14222407 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 14222395 DanMetroMan said: Quote: reason TDA or Plawecki are gone... 4 catchers on the 40 man? No chance. Can't they manipulate the 40 man with DL? I'd honestly start the year with TDA on the 60 day DL and let him really ease his way back. His TJS was on april 17th last year so wouldn't it be relatively surprising for him to be at 100% before May anyway?

Still would have to pay him 3 million to be the 3rd catcher. I can't see any scenario they feel that's a good use of funds.

Ramos salary is 9.5 and 9.5

9.5 + 1.3 million + 3 million... 13.8 million for the 3 catchers? When Nido costs 500 K? Seems like a major waste.

for a team that's been as snakebit by injuries as they have I think it's worthwhile, but I don't know what the $3m can go towards. If it's the difference in landing Miller or Gio Gonzalez or someone good by all means. But by itself $3m prob won't get you more than fernando salas type.

In comment 14222413 DanMetroMan said:

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Ramos salary is 9.5 and 9.5 9.5 + 1.3 million + 3 million... 13.8 million for the 3 catchers? When Nido costs 500 K? Seems like a major waste.

Don�t know details, but it�s give or take 8,9,10

In comment 14222421 Eric on Li said:

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for a team that's been as snakebit by injuries as they have I think it's worthwhile, but I don't know what the $3m can go towards. If it's the difference in landing Miller or Gio Gonzalez or someone good by all means. But by itself $3m prob won't get you more than fernando salas type.

But what's the upside? Carrying 3 catchers non of which can really play other positions to the point that adds value? None are guys you put in their late for defense. 3 million is 3 million you can put towards a guy like Pollock. 3 million in itself still can land you a bench player. He sucks but Owings just got 3 million, Mercer is going to start for Detroit got 5.25

also suggest they wouldn't be backloading people like Familia if they didn't view a few million here and a few million there as significant.

Bour got 2.5 million. Terrible season but 123 OPS+ career. Guys like that make far more sense (not Bour for the Mets).

But last year lobaton ended up in like 20 games. Maybe they just cut him and save the money if they feel ok w the other 3, but for now he�s at least a nice insurance policy for st.

In comment 14222457 Eric on Li said:

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But last year lobaton ended up in like 20 games. Maybe they just cut him and save the money if they feel ok w the other 3, but for now he�s at least a nice insurance policy for st.

But they have Nido to be the 3rd catcher and that doesn't even include some schlub they will surely sign for Syracuse to pair with Nido as the "4th" guy aka the Lobaton type. They also have Mazeika who didn't have a great season but has a career .815 OPS and Ali Sanchez who will be in AA and not much of hitter but likely can play MLB defense.

so may as well use it just in case someone else gets hurt. The offensive black hole of Lobaton/Nido pre-Mesoraco wasn't enjoyable though, so if it were me I wouldn't be so quick to dump an extra MLB caliber catcher. Steamer projects him to be worth 1 win basically hitting to his career average. This is not intended to be a knock on Nido (i guess it kind of is though) but it's a fair question as to whether or not he'll ever amass 1 war. He was in the negative last year. But if he looks good in ST and we can save 3m I'm sure they won't hesitate to do so.