NFT: Mets sign Wilson Ramos to 2 year deal

Why has there been so little talk of Luis Avilan as a LOOGY option? Career .213/.289/.292 vs. lefties #Mets

ALI!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and make a run on Harper. A guy on MMO, that I cant verify to have knowledge or not, claims Jeff is floating it now after this Ramos signing...

DO IT BRODY!

Would be the Padres. Want a vet, want a ST 3B plug. And the bottom of the second tier of their prospect is drool worthy. Wouldn’t count on it, but it’s in the back of the mind. Oh, plus the want Frazier around lol

Nimmo (1), Conforto (2), Cano (3), Rosario (4), and Ramos (5) are basically locked in as starters. Frazier (6) too, either at 1b or 3b. Mcneil (7) will hopefully get a chance to start at 3b or 1b if Alonso starts in the minors. Lagares (8) is at least the 4th OF. 1 of Plawecki or TDA will be the backup catcher (9).

So that leaves 4 spots up for grabs, assuming Mickey goes 12 pitchers. the current contenders:

CF - we know they are evaluating the market and will likely add someone.
backup SS - they've mentioned Mcneil getting reps there. Guillorme and Cecchini are also options.
Alonso - we know he's going to be up sooner or later and move either Frazier or Mcneil to the bench.
Dom - I suspect he's traded but they shouldn't give him up for nothing.
Rivera - if he comes back healthy he's a good bat off the bench.

I wouldn't exactly consider that overwhelming depth, but there aren't any obvious major needs other than another CF.

In comment 14222487 Shecky said:

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Would be the Padres. Want a vet, want a ST 3B plug. And the bottom of the second tier of their prospect is drool worthy. Wouldn’t count on it, but it’s in the back of the mind. Oh, plus the want Frazier around lol

I like Frazier as a piece for this roster and in the clubhouse. But they need to be willing to play Mcneil over him.

making Lagares the backup CF again. Also Cespedes will return and crowd things up even further at some point. I think we have some decent bench options. Especially, if Frazier is still around forcing McNeil into a super sub role.

Teams are carrying as few as 4 bench players these days and one of those is a catcher. Not a lot of room. Cecchini, TJ Rivera, Guillorme, Smith, etc all decent options IMO...

In comment 14222487 Shecky said:

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Would be the Padres. Want a vet, want a ST 3B plug. And the bottom of the second tier of their prospect is drool worthy. Wouldn’t count on it, but it’s in the back of the mind. Oh, plus the want Frazier around lol

I'd be stunned if they moved Frazier (any time soon at least). Youngish team and Frazier gets in front of the media whenever asked.

Is a pipe dream I would love miller + jones and call this roster done. I know I am probably in minority since advanced stats don’t love him and he has been on a downward trajectory, but 1 or 2 years of Jones for depth makes a lot of sense to me. He is a clubhouse leader kind of guy which this team needs, I am not going to lose sleep if he is on bench, and gives us someone who can at least hit when Nimmo for ces are hurt. Also presumably he is cheap which affords us to go bigger with Miller.

Side note remember when cerrone suggested trading 3 years of Thor for one year of boegarts. That guy is such a gem isn’t he.

Jones is finished. Massive, massive pass. Horrendous in the OF nowadays, would weaken the OF defense in CF and RF by moving Nimmo over. Jones is 45th/53rd among OF the last 2 seasons in fWAR. Strong career but if not for 3+ years ago he'd be a minor league deal candidate. No thanks.

posted 98 wRC+ both 2016 and 2018

Steam is projecting 1.2 fWAR in 2019. Combined -24 DRS in 2018. Not a typo, an incredible -18 in CF. You don't move Nimmo to CF without adding a legit masher in RF otherwise you weaken the team. A deal for a guy like Peralta? Sure.

Mets 4th OF assuming Lagares is the the CF has to be able to play CF and ideally hit lefty. Jones isn't either. While he's in decline there is almost no chance he signs on for a legit 4th OF role so you'd be forced to play him. You want Nimmo/Conforto playing out there every day so when is Jones getting his PA's? Nimmo-Jones = bad news out there.

like Nimmo will hit leadoff. I like it. I hope this doesn't mean Rosario hitting 8th however. Wouldn't like that at all

Pollock? Then add a loofy and other bullpen filler? If they move Lugo to the rotation, can Vargas be that lefty specialist/swingman out of the pen.

Obviously they need another lefty in the pen, can go into ST with only having Zamora.

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Pollock? Then add a loofy and other bullpen filler? If they move Lugo to the rotation, can Vargas be that lefty specialist/swingman out of the pen. Obviously they need another lefty in the pen, can go into ST with only having Zamora.

Insiders have doubts they will win a bidding war on Pollock given the money they have left. Would be nice but I wouldn't expect it. Plenty of LOOGY's available. Cedeno, Sipp, Avilan, Wilson, Miller and of course trades.

Wheeler for Frazier and Lasagna.

rejected Thor for Realmuto... uh yeah? That would have been a horrible trade.

Soto has the Mets payroll at 150.6 million so it would really behoove them to figure out the Wright situation. Hard to see how they sign Pollock without finding a taker for Lagares etc

So they can focus on trying to lock some guys up LT like Thor.

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Soto has the Mets payroll at 150.6 million so it would really behoove them to figure out the Wright situation. Hard to see how they sign Pollock without finding a taker for Lagares etc

I don't think they should max themselves out for Pollock. He'd be an upgrade and if they are comfortable increasing the budget, great, but I think there are other ways to spend the money that won't require 4 years and losing a draft pick.

$15m seems a pretty safe guesstimate for what they have left to spend (including Wright $11m insurance money) - to me the biggest bang for buck would probably still be for an impact reliever around $10m AAV. Or possibly Gio Gonzalez. In CF I think the trade market for a cheaper player than Pollock may be the way to go. His bat is weak but Kevin Pillar's name has been out there - his overall WAR the past few years is almost identical to Pollock and he's only projected to make $5m in his contract year. That would seem like the type of guy you could bring back for Dom Smith to maintain flexibility to add elsewhere.

The best fit would be a Chris Taylor or Kike Hernandez type who can play CF and other positions.

has been pretty straight forward when talking to the media so it doesn't sound like a big RP is happening. I wonder if Soria is cheaper than the top of that market? If so a Soria and one of the LOOGY's I mentioned would be nice.

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So they can focus on trying to lock some guys up LT like Thor.

JDG is obviously first in line and they've already spoken to him, do you think they have any plans to talk to Wheeler? An Eovaldi type deal would seemingly make a lot of sense for both sides.

For Thor, it would obviously make sense if they could get him on a Carrasco deal right now, but otherwise he's the 1 they could probably stand to put off until next year - though a big year would raise him towards jdg territory.

on Pillar. Can't hit at all. Lagares is already here. What would be the point? Pillar has never once been a league average bat a single season of his career. 87 wRC+, Lagares 85.

as well call the Padres about their CF glut over guaranteed mediocre in a guy like Pillar

In comment 14222853 DanMetroMan said:

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has been pretty straight forward when talking to the media so it doesn't sound like a big RP is happening. I wonder if Soria is cheaper than the top of that market? If so a Soria and one of the LOOGY's I mentioned would be nice.

He did - but I wonder if Ramos signing so cheap changes that math a little bit. Especially if they also end up not going for Pollock and finding a CF cheap elsewhere. Regardless I kind of hope they hold off on the last FA signing until January feb because who knows what deals will be out there like Moustakas last year. Whether it's a pitcher or a position player like Pollock.

Pollock has only been worth 5.2 fWAR the past 3 seasons because he's missed 249 games, Pillar 6.4 fWAR over the past 3...in 201 less games. Really would hate to have low OBP Pillar in the lineup with Rosario.

In comment 14222862 DanMetroMan said:

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on Pillar. Can't hit at all. Lagares is already here. What would be the point? Pillar has never once been a league average bat a single season of his career. 87 wRC+, Lagares 85.

Lagares is already here but we all know it's only a matter of time before he's hurt. Pillar is basically just a cheaper Lagares. I do agree though, I'd prefer to find a younger player with more upside in a similar career stage as Dom. A pre-breakout Mallex Smith type. You'd know better than me who fits that description.

but I'd pursue JBJ.

Red Sox need to shed salary and reportedly shopping Porcello, JBJ, and even Bogaerts.

I think JBJ being light hitting with significantly worse road splits he hopefully would not cost significant assets.

Eric suggested Wheeler or Matz and I wouldn't do that, but I'd do Plawecki and a prospect.

A) .258/.300/.406
B) .254/.301/.369

One is Pillar, the other is on the Mets roster and everyone wants an upgrade over..

In comment 14222878 DanMetroMan said:

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Pollock has only been worth 5.2 fWAR the past 3 seasons because he's missed 249 games, Pillar 6.4 fWAR over the past 3...in 201 less games. Really would hate to have low OBP Pillar in the lineup with Rosario.

That's fair - and look there's a reason why Pollock would get paid 3-4x what Pillar makes. It's cause he can actually hit. But if they truly believe Cespedes could come back later this year and their budget is already close to maxed out, Pollock is probably just a shelf too high right now.

In comment 14222888 DanMetroMan said:

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A) .258/.300/.406 B) .254/.301/.369 One is Pillar, the other is on the Mets roster and everyone wants an upgrade over..

After adding Ramos I'd be fine with Lagares as every day CF - the question with him is durability. Need to have a backup plan.

just don't see what Pillar provides that we don't already have in Lagares for "only" 3 million more and Pillar (while not costing the moon) still would cost a prospect or 2. System has already thinned out. They need either a platoon bat to go with Lagares or a legit upgrade. I'd love to take a shot on Margot but I suspect SD will deal Jankowski or Cordero instead.

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both projected for 2 wins on steamer. Can sign Gio for a couple years with some of the money remaining. Also separately trade Dom for a depth arm in the BP or a 5th starter type to add some more depth.

In comment 14222910 DanMetroMan said:

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just don't see what Pillar provides that we don't already have in Lagares for "only" 3 million more and Pillar (while not costing the moon) still would cost a prospect or 2. System has already thinned out. They need either a platoon bat to go with Lagares or a legit upgrade. I'd love to take a shot on Margot but I suspect SD will deal Jankowski or Cordero instead.

Without looking at Pillars games played, the easy answer is reliability.

In comment 14222861 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 14222815 Shecky said: Quote: So they can focus on trying to lock some guys up LT like Thor. JDG is obviously first in line and they've already spoken to him, do you think they have any plans to talk to Wheeler? An Eovaldi type deal would seemingly make a lot of sense for both sides. For Thor, it would obviously make sense if they could get him on a Carrasco deal right now, but otherwise he's the 1 they could probably stand to put off until next year - though a big year would raise him towards jdg territory.

I wouldn’t bet on Wheeler LT here, but he certainly has made it clear he supposedly wants to be here.
I don’t get the feeling they’ve decided who they want to extend yet or not. They want players who WANT to be Mets, who are proud to be Mets, who will represent well. Byproduct of floating rumors is to see who really wants to be here. Who appreciates being here. Who the fans REALLY want here. Oh, as I mentioned, to also show a certain someone no one thinks it’s a good idea to say poverpay for a certain player...

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In comment 14222910 DanMetroMan said: Quote: just don't see what Pillar provides that we don't already have in Lagares for "only" 3 million more and Pillar (while not costing the moon) still would cost a prospect or 2. System has already thinned out. They need either a platoon bat to go with Lagares or a legit upgrade. I'd love to take a shot on Margot but I suspect SD will deal Jankowski or Cordero instead. Without looking at Pillars games played, the easy answer is reliability.

Reliably mediocre. You can find that for much cheaper.

hangup with realmuto. We know the 2 of them are close and he never shut up about how perfect Realmuto was and how last year they talked about Yelich the same way.

In comment 14222924 Eric on Li said:

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both projected for 2 wins on steamer. Can sign Gio for a couple years with some of the money remaining. Also separately trade Dom for a depth arm in the BP or a 5th starter type to add some more depth.

If you guaranteed they were adding a guy like Gio I would do it. Otherwise the pitching is too thin. I liked Dom to the White Sox given they had only Abreu at 1b and Fry/Bummer but that door now looks closed.

to share time with Lagares until Cespedes comes back. I'd use the Mets financial resources to sign DeGrom and Wheeler.

still ask about Buxton but doubt the Twins are that dumb. Strikeouts are nuts but I wonder what Cave would cost? 123 wRC+ vs. righties last year

almost at 50

Rookie maximums for at-bats (130), games pitched (30) or innings (50) in the major leagues"

If the 2 leaders are within 5% of each other, or the leader has less than 30% there will be a run-off between the top 2. If a run-off results in a tie the tiebreaker will be vote total in the previous poll, we will continue to "go back" in the polls until there is a clear leader.

*Jeff McNeil is ineligible
*Chris Flexen is ineligible
*Drew Smith is ineligible
*Tyler Bashlor is ineligible

1) Andres Gimenez (SS) AA 19/37 votes- 51%
2) Peter Alonso (1B) AAA 24/36 votes- 67%
3) Ronny Mauricio (SS) Kingsport 12/33-36%
4) Mark Vientos (3b) Kingsport 16/31-52%
5) David Peterson (LHP) A+ 21/31- 68%
6) Franklyn Kilome (RHP) AA 20/33-61%
7) Thomas Szapucki (LHP) A 18/32-56%
8) Shervyen Newton (SS) Kingsport 12/30-40%, Run-off with Anthony Kay 17/33-52%
9) Anthony Kay (LHP) AA 18/26-69%
10) Simeon Woods-Richardson (RHP) Kingsport 12/30-40%
11) Luis Santana (2B) 15/26-58%
12) Will Toffey (3B) 10/29-34%, run-off with Cecchini 15/27-56%
13) Gavin Cecchini (2b) 14/26-46%
14) Francisco Alvarez (C) 9/26-35%
15) Dez Lindsay (OF) 7/18-39%
16) Tony Dibrell (RHP) 9/23-39%
17) Jordan Humphreys (RHP) 7/21-33%, Run-off with Nido 18/24-75%
18) Ross Adolph (OF) 6/25-24%, run-off with Nido 18/25-72%
19) Adam Hill (RHP) 4/26-15%, Run-off with Nido/Crismatt 11/26-58%
20) Junior Santos (RHP) 6/28-21%, Run-off with Nido 11/20-55%
21) Tomas Nido (C) 10/23-43%
22) Luis Guillorme (SS) 9/24-38%
23) Adrian Hernandez 6/26-23%, run-off with Wahl/Cortes 8/15-53%
24) Carlos Cortes (2b) 8/21-38%
25) Steven Villines (RHP) 4/16 25%, Run-off with Thompson/Wahl 9/23-39%
26) David Thompson (3b) 8/23-35%
27) Ali Sanchez (C) 9/17-53%
28) Bobby Wahl (RHP) 11/25-44%
29) Eric Hanhold (RHP) 7/21-33%, run-off 7/20-35%
30) Luis Carpio (IF) 4/18-22%, runoff with Uriarte 9/14-64%
31) Stanley Consuegra (OF) 4/20-20%, runoff with Uriarte/Valdez 6/17-35%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
32) Juan Uriarte (C) 4/19-21%
33) Freddy Valdez (OF) 7/17-41%
34) Daniel Zamora (LHP) 3/17-18%, run-off with Montes De Oca 10/12-83%
35) Jaylen Palmer (??) 3/12-25%, run-off with Montes de Oca/Vilera 9/16-56%
36) Ryley Gilliam (RHP) 5/22-23%, run-off with Manea 8/16-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
37) Matt Winaker (OF) 4/22-18

In comment 14222950 DanMetroMan said:

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still ask about Buxton but doubt the Twins are that dumb. Strikeouts are nuts but I wonder what Cave would cost? 123 wRC+ vs. righties last year

I would love to take a chance on Buxton, who hasn’t even scratched the surface. But there was some rally weird shit going in there last year. IMO, Worth a shot!

In comment 14222971 Shecky said:

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In comment 14222950 DanMetroMan said: Quote: still ask about Buxton but doubt the Twins are that dumb. Strikeouts are nuts but I wonder what Cave would cost? 123 wRC+ vs. righties last year I would love to take a chance on Buxton, who hasn’t even scratched the surface. But there was some rally weird shit going in there last year. IMO, Worth a shot!

Seems like some beef with the organization. You would know better than i but I've never heard any off-field negative stuff regarding Buxton just the Twins playing with his service time. Glove is still A++ and has hit in spurts.

I wasn't all that high on Dunn but I guess that's part of it too (and Kilome tjs).

I do think thankfully think some of last year's pickups both in the draft and via trade will help continue move the system in the right direction. I'm really intrigued to see what Toffey does this year (after shoulder surgery?). Adolph looks like he was a good find. Plus all the SP coming back from TJS.

I may be crazy, but I'm even mildly interested to see if Lindsay's fall league performance was a fluke and how Thompson/Cecchini come back from their injuries. If there's another mcneil somewhere in the system it's probably 1 of those guys.

a simple free agent signing of Harper or Machado would put the Mets over the top and make them a legitimate force for the next few years..

It's right there in front of them...time to strike is now, especially with less in the farm system coming the next several years.

They haven't done it since Beltran. Time to make a run again....

One big move changes this franchise. Go for the big fish!

Lindsay. I’m done falling for him lol. Still has his believers, some see Pham lol.

I’d look at Buxton as Legares with upside. Certainly would pay for the prospect Buxton WAS. He can’t hit a slider. Period. But the talent is undeniable.