LOL...Bob Papa going off on BBI

are the ones who post the most...

a) after a loss
b) eli has a bad game
c) combo of A and B.

In comment 14222155 dep026 said:

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are the ones who post the most... a) after a loss b) eli has a bad game c) combo of A and B.

So essentially you?

when Eli plays well or doesnt. And I dont blame Chris Mara for a product. So good try?

So essentially 90% of the time.


In comment 14222155 dep026 said:

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are the ones who post the most... a) after a loss b) eli has a bad game c) combo of A and B.

The posters who are negative.

Because if it’s only posters who post after a and b of your statement, that is you included.

In comment 14222161 figgy2989 said:

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The posters who are negative. Because if it’s only posters who post after a and b of your statement, that is you included.

The voices are a little louder in my scenarios. Check the poster above you.

Actually the entire article is a pretty good read and has a lot of quotes Giants related.

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Hall of Fame head coach Bill Parcells, never associated with compromise, was less willing to consider some scouts' opinions than others. "It depended on if they knew what they were doing," he said. "Were they experienced enough to have a good opinion? You listen to people whose opinions you respect." When Chris Mara told Parcells that Dave Meggett could help the Giants in 1989, Parcells was skeptical. Meggett was 5'7", and the Giants already had a 5'7" running back in Joe Morris. Parcells was adamant—he did not want another back who couldn't pass protect or function as a receiver. But Mara kept working him. "Meggett could help on third downs," Mara told him. "He can return punts. He can return kicks. You could develop a role for him." Parcells respected Mara. He listened. He relented. Meggett was voted an All-Pro three times and ended his career with the most punt-return yards in history. After Parcells left the Giants to become coach of the Patriots, he signed Meggett in New England.

How NFL Teams Really Make Their Draft Picks - ( New Window )

You know I like to bust your balls and knew exactly what you were referring to.

cheering against the offense on the last drive and making fun of Eli for a "face". We have some really pathetic fans.

In comment 14222155 dep026 said:

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are the ones who post the most... a) after a loss b) eli has a bad game c) combo of A and B.

This is 100% correct

with them given their miserable performance (losers) over the last 6-7 years. It is far easier to blame the deck chairs and rearrange them instead of the guys that bought them and signed off on them

In 7 years, there's been 2 winning seasons and no playoff wins.

Thrown in there is one of the worst years in franchise history.

But no, the Vice president of player personnel shouldn't be criticized.

In comment 14221861 UConn4523 said:

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He responded to a caller who brought it up. And I’m glad he did because this board is fucking clueless about many things, personnel decision being at the top of the list.

Do a word search and see how often Chris Mara is mentioned on BBI. He’s rarely mentioned here. And maybe Papa is right, and Chris Mara has little input on personnel decisions, but then why the fuck is he the SVP of Personnel?

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say that Chris Mara has little input on personnel decisions and then say he is qualified for his position. The problem many have with him is that he can never be fired, no matter how shitty the roster gets.

In comment 14222143 fkap said:

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is: A - a quality analyst who isn't listened to, by two different regimes, which begs the question of why B - a token figure with a fancy title C- a guy with a real leadership position who is part of the problem. take your pick. Whoever holds the de facto position, regardless of actual title is part of the problem. So either CM is the man who matches the title, or he's a guy with an empty title. Bob can't say he's the former and say he escapes a lot of responsibility for this team.

Good post fkap. That's basically how I see it.

In comment 14222214 CoughlinHandsonHips said:

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In 7 years, there's been 2 winning seasons and no playoff wins. Thrown in there is one of the worst years in franchise history. But no, the Vice president of player personnel shouldn't be criticized.

Yup. We’re the browns but we have Lombardis so we’re not a total laughing stock.

If you're looking for anything remotely resembling good analysis or fair and unbiased reporting, walk very quickly in the opposite direction.

And to be fair, I don't know if you should expect that given his job title.

As to what Chris Mara is or isn't - it's hard to take anything the Giants do seriously when they relieve TC, Reese and Ross of their responsibilities but he's sitting there with a Sr VP of Pro Personnel title. If it's a title in name only, there'd be no problem in reassigning him. If he's actually responsible for decisions on players, he's every bit as responsible for this shitshow as anyone else.

On this day where the Giants were eliminated from playoff contention for the 6th time in 7 years, failed to reach the Wellington low standard of “meaningful football” in the last weekend for the 6th time in 7 years, and were shutout, at home, by a team that’s not even currently in the playoffs....

The real focus should be on the small subset of Giants FANS complaining on an internet message board about it. That’s the real problem.

are serious about fixing this franchise, Mara would step aside as president and CEO and turn that responsibility over to an external candidate and use an arms length search firm to source quality candidates not the inbred fake GM search last winter.

has been more interested in horse racing than the Giants.

to the postgame show for those who did not hear it.

Bob Papa vs. BBI - ( New Window )

in that clip, not a good look for Papa.

The Giants are a mess. They are a team in transition. The Barkley pick was absolutely the right one in an offseason where a QB at that spot would have been justifiable. We have another offseason coming up that is similar, and I hope once again the Giants choose the best player. Once again, this was not a 1-year turnaround project, but you can see that the Giants have gotten better from last year to this year, from the coaching to the defense to the offensive efficiency. That's what you should expect from a program that was at rock bottom and trying to re-establish itself. Of course, the biggest decision is yet to be made, which will determine whether or not the Giants become a playoff team again, and that is who is the heir to Eli. And one shod expect growing pains for any rookie that takes that job, but they still have to get that one right. But Saquon Barkley, OBJ, and a good defense will help whoever that is that eventually takes over.

In comment 14222302 twostepgiants said:

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On this day where the Giants were eliminated from playoff contention for the 6th time in 7 years, failed to reach the Wellington low standard of “meaningful football” in the last weekend for the 6th time in 7 years, and were shutout, at home, by a team that’s not even currently in the playoffs.... The real focus should be on the small subset of Giants FANS complaining on an internet message board about it. That’s the real problem.

It wasn’t a focus, it was a response to a caller. Why is this so difficult for people to understand? This was something brought to his attention, he didn’t seek it out.

For Gettleman as director of pro personnel, our FA signings went in the g damn toilet, he didn't churn the roster like DG does and we paid for it and still are. He's not all to blame but his FA record and roster additions since DG left aren't anything to be proud of.

In comment 14222216 Section331 said:

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In comment 14221861 UConn4523 said: Quote: He responded to a caller who brought it up. And I’m glad he did because this board is fucking clueless about many things, personnel decision being at the top of the list. Do a word search and see how often Chris Mara is mentioned on BBI. He’s rarely mentioned here. And maybe Papa is right, and Chris Mara has little input on personnel decisions, but then why the fuck is he the SVP of Personnel? You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say that Chris Mara has little input on personnel decisions and then say he is qualified for his position. The problem many have with him is that he can never be fired, no matter how shitty the roster gets.

He has no say, *but*, he's the first guy that Parcells and Coughlin wanted in their FO. Then, went on to say that he's part of the drafting and evaluation process, but since he doesn't sign on the bottom line he's not responsible.

Papa hopped in the company truck and mowed down logic during that call.

Chris Mara essentially is part of the scouting department but makes no decisions or selections when it comes to the players. Sounds like he actually gave more info than what he should. He told you that Chris Mara has a title that suggests he has more input than he does.

Bob obviously reads the posts here. He probably logged on one day when there was a thread about Chris Mara

In comment 14221968 arniefez said:

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and has that opinion. Bob Papa blew the biggest call of his life so badly they had to edit it out or redub it for highlights. Is David Tyree still wide open?

His call of the game-clinching play was pretty bad also. For a very awkward moment it was like he forgot Brady's 2nd heave to Moss was on 4th down.

He's not a very good play by play man.

That fans cling to dumb nonsense theories to rationalize things as simply as possible. The Chris Mara thing is a bbi meme. In 80 years people will still clutch their pearls and somehow blame Reese and Chris Mara for hurting their Sunday feelings.

He is....

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essentially part of the scouting department but makes no decisions or selections

Is that it?

Then lets rip this DMF.

would defend the owner of the business he works for?

What the fu*k do you think he would say? "Chris Mara is a stooge who only works for the Giants because he can't get a job doing the same thing anywhere else?"

Yea, that would go over well.

C'mon. This isn't even worthy of being called "news".

In comment 14222454 baadbill said:

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would defend the owner of the business he works for? What the fu*k do you think he would say? "Chris Mara is a stooge who only works for the Giants because he can't get a job doing the same thing anywhere else?" Yea, that would go over well. C'mon. This isn't even worthy of being called "news".

I don't think it was defending Mara that got this here, it's that Papa decided to pin it on BBI.

As if BBI is where bashing the Mara's for being incompetent got it's start. Maybe Bob's never been to a tailgate?

I hope Papa is talking about me !
I have been talking about this over and over

Chris Mara became Senior Vice President of Player Personnel in 2011.
Since then this franchise has been mostly terrible

The fact is this franchise is a mess and has replaced coaches and GMs yet CHRIS MARA CAN'T BE FIRED

care what is said here. If the Giants are monitoring BBI. It is actually scary. Based on how they reacted to the fans when McAdoo benched Eli, they probably are. Ironically if they went with BBI consensus 1st round picks, the o-line would probably better.

I wonder what the handles of there operatives are? Do they have meetings on what to post?

Guess Bob Papa's handle on BBI.

Go!

In comment 14222320 allstarjim said:

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The Giants are a mess. They are a team in transition. The Barkley pick was absolutely the right one in an offseason where a QB at that spot would have been justifiable. We have another offseason coming up that is similar, and I hope once again the Giants choose the best player. Once again, this was not a 1-year turnaround project, but you can see that the Giants have gotten better from last year to this year, from the coaching to the defense to the offensive efficiency. That's what you should expect from a program that was at rock bottom and trying to re-establish itself. Of course, the biggest decision is yet to be made, which will determine whether or not the Giants become a playoff team again, and that is who is the heir to Eli. And one shod expect growing pains for any rookie that takes that job, but they still have to get that one right. But Saquon Barkley, OBJ, and a good defense will help whoever that is that eventually takes over.

We’re only what? 8 players away from a good defense ?

In comment 14222125 GiantsUA said:

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About that the only consensus on BBI is the day of the week, Sunday, and you can bet there will be a couple of outliers that will disagree. In Japan it is Monday, et.

There are two thing you can get concensus on

1. Buy a Weber grill
2. Chris Mara sucks

But Jerry Reese unhelpful sports related biases were obvious for ten years before he was let go. Not facetiously, who's responsibility was that?

Papa says Chris Mara is not the final say in any personnel moves at Jints Central. So he’s being unfairly castigated by BBI.

But then he says Chris Mara is such a great talent evaluator that Parcells and Coughlin were essentially desperate to hire him.

So what Papa is suggesting is that many of the personnel problems would be solved if Chris Mara was actually in charge. And if John Mara ever figures this out this organization will soar.

Let’s hope Papa has a good working relationship with his employer, the Maras, and finally makes this brilliant recommendation.

is entertaining, it brings out the nuts.

That needs to be rwvealed to get the truth about...put him total charge to see...to prove right or wrong

for any person with the last name of Mara, it's a family run business.

Not think he is a great play by play guy.

classic.

Papa is dead on about a lot of people on the board being morons as to how the team is run and a lot of the jackasses who are guilty of said behavior flock here to rip on Papa.

There's probably not much debate that Papa and Banks are the two most plugged in guys to the team and who have been professional broadcasters for years. Both have praised the team and both have been critical of the team.

But then again - we are talking about a board who has mischaracterized Gettleman and Shurmur as "Yes men", and who think ownership had a mandate to keep Eli Manning and build around him.

Is Papa right that a lot of BBI'ers are clueless about the organization? Definitely.

And not surprisingly, there's a couple "Jints Central" mentions here, which is probably one source of the jackassery he refers to.

but Papa rocks. He tells it like it is, with much knowledge behind what he says. Of all people to get on. Sheesh.

think he's a very good listen. Is he a homer, of course. I don't care. I prefer to talk Giants football with fellow Giants fans. That's why I'm on BBI so much instead of hanging around other teams boards.

This site is great. I love it. Having said that, there are too many over-reactive fans here at times. I have to skim threads to find ones that are worthwhile discussions of football. Too many experts. Not enough facts. Not enough rational discussion.

In comment 14222931 Dan in the Springs said:

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think he's a very good listen. Is he a homer, of course. I don't care.

Not sure how many people really listen to Bob. I listen to the radio broadcast and I also listen to him in the mornings on Sirius. He is often critical of the team. He is not criticizing ownership of course and maybe because he believes the players and coaches are responsible for the performance on the field. I have also heard him criticize draft picks and free agent signings in the past.

If anyone (not talking specifically to you Dan) here thinks Bob is going to go on some rant destroying the Giants then that is not realistic.

FYI.. If I did that openly about my employer they would probably can my ass too and I am not on the radio or TV.

In comment 14223218 EricJ said:

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In comment 14222931 Dan in the Springs said: Quote: think he's a very good listen. Is he a homer, of course. I don't care. Not sure how many people really listen to Bob. I listen to the radio broadcast and I also listen to him in the mornings on Sirius. He is often critical of the team. He is not criticizing ownership of course and maybe because he believes the players and coaches are responsible for the performance on the field. I have also heard him criticize draft picks and free agent signings in the past. If anyone (not talking specifically to you Dan) here thinks Bob is going to go on some rant destroying the Giants then that is not realistic. FYI.. If I did that openly about my employer they would probably can my ass too and I am not on the radio or TV.

I'm on the same page as you. I think he often is more critical than many here give him credit for. He's not just a mouthpiece for Giants ownership.

Having said that, he tends to be more conservative in his criticism than most all Giants fans, and with good reason.

In comment 14221968 arniefez said:

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and has that opinion. Bob Papa blew the biggest call of his life so badly they had to edit it out or redub it for highlights. Is David Tyree still wide open?

Jim Gordon: Great voice, terrible at calling play-by-play. Really hated listening to him. Sorry.

Unless I was under a rock somewhere, Papa’s Tyree call was never edited out. And btw? Since Papa saw the entire field as the play unfolded, it’s been said that Tyree was wide open and by the time we saw it on TV, Harrison had closed really fast

has this gotten Eric? Never mind traffic to Papa's site? Me thinks he is great at doing his job.

Gotta do something to keep the base interested until the team turns around.

Not insinuating that Eric had a thing to do with it.