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LOL...Bob Papa going off on BBI

lawguy9801 : 12/16/2018 5:37 pm
Caller on postgame ripped ownership and blamed Chris Mara in part. Papa went off on him, cited people from that Big Blue Interactive group who blame Chris Mara for the state of the roster and said they have no clue what theyre talking about. According to Papa, when Parcells and Coughlin went elsewhere, the first guy they called was Chris Mara. Nevertheless, Papa said he didnt make the final call on anyone, and the state of the roster cant be laid at his doorstep.
The Irish mafia  
Vanzetti : 12/16/2018 5:40 pm : link
Got to Papa
He knows more than any of us about who's involved is trades and the  
Ira : 12/16/2018 5:41 pm : link
draft, so I'd take his word for it.
If he's "going off on BBI"  
KWALL2 : 12/16/2018 5:43 pm : link
he's a fucking meathead.

There isn't a consensus here of blaming anybody. You can pick and choose a few posts and come up with a BBI consensus in your own mind like he apparently has.
Ripping fans is nice  
adamg : 12/16/2018 5:43 pm : link
Papa is definitely not a sycophant. That's not his job.
Hmmm  
Reb8thVA : 12/16/2018 5:44 pm : link
R-E-E-S-E and R-O-S-S
RE: If he's  
UConn4523 : 12/16/2018 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14221849 KWALL2 said:
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he's a fucking meathead.

There isn't a consensus here of blaming anybody. You can pick and choose a few posts and come up with a BBI consensus in your own mind like he apparently has.


He responded to a caller who brought it up. And Im glad he did because this board is fucking clueless about many things, personnel decision being at the top of the list.
What PAPA is saying is that unlike 10 years ago  
WillieYoung : 12/16/2018 5:48 pm : link
there is a culture of stupidity on this Board. People say it's Chris Mara's fault. people say Odell is a cancer. People say Eli is still a great quarterback. Yes there are contradictory views, but there wouldn't have to be if the morons would stop posting.
A caller brought up BBI  
KWALL2 : 12/16/2018 5:50 pm : link
and some kind of consensus on Mara?
Sticky Material ???  
Bluesbreaker : 12/16/2018 5:50 pm : link
Great Publicity
He must not have got the "This is On Eli" Memo !
A few comments here and there  
KWALL2 : 12/16/2018 5:51 pm : link
doesn't = the board is clueless.
Would Chris Mara hold the same position  
bceagle05 : 12/16/2018 5:51 pm : link
for any other NFL franchise? I doubt it. That's not to say he's responsible for everything, but nobody in the football operation has distinguished themselves lately.
What a Joke  
lax counsel : 12/16/2018 5:51 pm : link
This whole organization reeks right now. The fans are the problem with this team being one of the worst in NFL since mid way through 2012? Why cant the fans wonder what the issue is when very little has changed and the results are the same. I mean doubling down on a losing philosophy by replacing reese with another insider, who would continue to validate the Mara philosophy, whatever that may be, definitely a winning move.

The NFL has a new Cleveland Browns, its our beloved Giants. What a joke, hopefully that stadium is filled with cowboys fans week 17.
Only a few?  
UConn4523 : 12/16/2018 5:51 pm : link
very interesting.
Papa is a total mediocrity  
bluepepper : 12/16/2018 5:53 pm : link
who benefits from the Giants lifetime tenure approach to most organization jobs. Who cares what he says or thinks?
Lax counsel  
UConn4523 : 12/16/2018 5:54 pm : link
the next caller praised Banks and then criticized Gettemans drafting. Banks asked him 3 times if he paid attention to this draft and what came out of it and other than the caller calling Barkley, Barwin, the only other guy he knew was Hill. Banks said, which I agree with, if you are going to call and bitch about something, get your facts straight (Im paraphrasing).

That in a nutshell is a large portion of NFL fans.
About blaming Mara?  
KWALL2 : 12/16/2018 5:54 pm : link
I haven't seen much of it. A lot of people blame him?
Sounds to me like  
KWALL2 : 12/16/2018 5:54 pm : link
the callers to his show are clueless.
RE: About blaming Mara?  
section125 : 12/16/2018 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14221883 KWALL2 said:
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I haven't seen much of it. A lot of people blame him?


You are kidding right? Chris Mara has been blamed for the drafting for years. Several well known poster are on a constant diatribe on Mara and some on Tisch. But you never noticed that?
Im serious  
KWALL2 : 12/16/2018 5:59 pm : link
I don't see it.

Reese? Yes. Plenty of abuse

TC. Abuse.

Mara? Not much at all.
I heard it  
joeinpa : 12/16/2018 5:59 pm : link


He was calling out a specific group of posters who bash Chris Mara.

He said they are uninformed outsiders who dont know what they are talking about and proceeded to explain why.

It was great.
we lost a game  
djm : 12/16/2018 6:01 pm : link
So i guess the franchise is rudderless and lost again. Let me guess, everything associated with this team is terrible?

This is a mediocre team. Maybe a little better on their best day, or a little worse on the crappiest day. They turned the season around to an extent but it was never going to end well. The Team is Probably not that far away, but they need work. A lot of work. They got mauled by a better and more physical team today.

Im sure this place is a shit show right now. Im just glad Im home and warm and dry. What a mess that game was today. I deserve a super bowl title soon just for being there today.

Nepotism is a beautiful thing  
Ned In Atlanta : 12/16/2018 6:02 pm : link
Reese, ross gone due to bad drafting. But Mara stays as his daddy owns the team
RE: Papa is a total mediocrity  
UConn4523 : 12/16/2018 6:02 pm : link
In comment 14221879 bluepepper said:
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who benefits from the Giants lifetime tenure approach to most organization jobs. Who cares what he says or thinks?


It was all 3 of them though. So are they all wrong or is it more likely some BBI posters dont have a clue? 3 guys around the team for a living, 2 played here. This isnt just some hack radio show host like Carton.
Dont the Giants have the least amount of  
Ned In Atlanta : 12/16/2018 6:04 pm : link
Drafted players on the roster currently in the league? Im sick of the usual gang of media shills telling us we dont know what does on inside. The team has been god awful for the better part of a decade
RE: RE: Papa is a total mediocrity  
Ned In Atlanta : 12/16/2018 6:05 pm : link
In comment 14221903 UConn4523 said:
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who benefits from the Giants lifetime tenure approach to most organization jobs. Who cares what he says or thinks?



It was all 3 of them though. So are they all wrong or is it more likely some BBI posters dont have a clue? 3 guys around the team for a living, 2 played here. This isnt just some hack radio show host like Carton.


Guys who get their checks signed by John Mara. No chance they see things through rose colored glasses !
He's right - BBi is filled with people who don't really understand  
PatersonPlank : 12/16/2018 6:05 pm : link
what they are talking about, but say things as facts anyway
RE: If he's  
short lease : 12/16/2018 6:06 pm : link
In comment 14221849 KWALL2 said:
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he's a fucking meathead.

There isn't a consensus here of blaming anybody. You can pick and choose a few posts and come up with a BBI consensus in your own mind like he apparently has.


You are right about a consensus but, c'mon - Chris Mara has taken heat on this site. That is for sure.
The whole organization stinks from the top down  
SHO'NUFF : 12/16/2018 6:06 pm : link
so Mara should be blamed, but which one?
RE: Nepotism is a beautiful thing  
short lease : 12/16/2018 6:08 pm : link
In comment 14221902 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Reese, ross gone due to bad drafting. But Mara stays as his daddy owns the team


Case in point.
RE: The whole organization stinks from the top down  
Ned In Atlanta : 12/16/2018 6:08 pm : link
In comment 14221915 SHO'NUFF said:
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so Mara should be blamed, but which one?


You cant be critical. The team is a dumpster fire but youre just an idiot on BBI!!
Ned!  
joeinpa : 12/16/2018 6:09 pm : link
Hey buddy, you re one if the guys he was talking about, lol
RE: RE: RE: Papa is a total mediocrity  
UConn4523 : 12/16/2018 6:09 pm : link
In comment 14221910 Ned In Atlanta said:
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who benefits from the Giants lifetime tenure approach to most organization jobs. Who cares what he says or thinks?



It was all 3 of them though. So are they all wrong or is it more likely some BBI posters dont have a clue? 3 guys around the team for a living, 2 played here. This isnt just some hack radio show host like Carton.



Guys who get their checks signed by John Mara. No chance they see things through rose colored glasses !


You sound like a flat earther.
So Bob  
HomerJones45 : 12/16/2018 6:09 pm : link
What are the responsibilities of the Senior Vice President of Player Personnel?

Maybe its just a title.
You do understand that the Mara's sign their checks.  
arniefez : 12/16/2018 6:09 pm : link
Chris Mara OWNS the Giants. He's the SR VP of Player Personnel. Does anyone think the Giants are good at player evaluation? If he doesn't do anything but sip wine and eat cheese why does he have that title?

I don't believe for a second that Bill Parcells is called Chris Mara for anything other than a tip on a horse and Coughlin? Coughlin sure looked like he want to hang around with Mara's at his last press conference.

This kind of thin skinned Baghdad Bob like spin has been going on with the Mara's for 60 years.

John & Chris Mara are absolutely the reason the Giants are mess.
RE: You do understand that the Mara's sign their checks.  
Ned In Atlanta : 12/16/2018 6:11 pm : link
In comment 14221926 arniefez said:
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Chris Mara OWNS the Giants. He's the SR VP of Player Personnel. Does anyone think the Giants are good at player evaluation? If he doesn't do anything but sip wine and eat cheese why does he have that title?

I don't believe for a second that Bill Parcells is called Chris Mara for anything other than a tip on a horse and Coughlin? Coughlin sure looked like he want to hang around with Mara's at his last press conference.

This kind of thin skinned Baghdad Bob like spin has been going on with the Mara's for 60 years.

John & Chris Mara are absolutely the reason the Giants are mess.



Bingo.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Papa is a total mediocrity  
Ned In Atlanta : 12/16/2018 6:12 pm : link
In comment 14221924 UConn4523 said:
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who benefits from the Giants lifetime tenure approach to most organization jobs. Who cares what he says or thinks?



It was all 3 of them though. So are they all wrong or is it more likely some BBI posters dont have a clue? 3 guys around the team for a living, 2 played here. This isnt just some hack radio show host like Carton.



Guys who get their checks signed by John Mara. No chance they see things through rose colored glasses !



You sound like a flat earther.


Rather than insult me, enlighten me. What has the player personnel department done to instill confidence?
RE: RE: If he's  
kcgiants : 12/16/2018 6:17 pm : link
In comment 14221861 UConn4523 said:
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he's a fucking meathead.

There isn't a consensus here of blaming anybody. You can pick and choose a few posts and come up with a BBI consensus in your own mind like he apparently has.



He responded to a caller who brought it up. And Im glad he did because this board is fucking clueless about many things, personnel decision being at the top of the list.

+1. Half the BBI are girls who constantly complain and don't know what they are watching and complain about everything that goes wrong. First year following and my wife knows more and complains much less. JFC
Then you are just not reading the same threads  
bhill410 : 12/16/2018 6:18 pm : link
You would think the Wilsons run the team with the way people complain incessently about Chris Mara
Wilpons*  
bhill410 : 12/16/2018 6:18 pm : link
Or Dolan I guess
RE: You do understand that the Mara's sign their checks.  
short lease : 12/16/2018 6:20 pm : link
In comment 14221926 arniefez said:
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Chris Mara OWNS the Giants. He's the SR VP of Player Personnel. Does anyone think the Giants are good at player evaluation? If he doesn't do anything but sip wine and eat cheese why does he have that title?

I don't believe for a second that Bill Parcells is called Chris Mara for anything other than a tip on a horse and Coughlin? Coughlin sure looked like he want to hang around with Mara's at his last press conference.

This kind of thin skinned Baghdad Bob like spin has been going on with the Mara's for 60 years.

John & Chris Mara are absolutely the reason the Giants are mess.



Then why is he only Sr. VICE president? Who is SR. President?
RE: RE: You do understand that the Mara's sign their checks.  
FStubbs : 12/16/2018 6:21 pm : link
In comment 14221946 short lease said:
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In comment 14221926 arniefez said:


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Chris Mara OWNS the Giants. He's the SR VP of Player Personnel. Does anyone think the Giants are good at player evaluation? If he doesn't do anything but sip wine and eat cheese why does he have that title?

I don't believe for a second that Bill Parcells is called Chris Mara for anything other than a tip on a horse and Coughlin? Coughlin sure looked like he want to hang around with Mara's at his last press conference.

This kind of thin skinned Baghdad Bob like spin has been going on with the Mara's for 60 years.

John & Chris Mara are absolutely the reason the Giants are mess.




Then why is he only Sr. VICE president? Who is SR. President?


John Mara.
Bob Papa...  
bw in dc : 12/16/2018 6:24 pm : link
is as naive as over half this board who fawn over the Maras.

Watching the Giants morph into the Knicks is quite embarrassing.
RE: Im serious  
Beezer : 12/16/2018 6:24 pm : link
In comment 14221892 KWALL2 said:
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I don't see it.

Reese? Yes. Plenty of abuse

TC. Abuse.

Mara? Not much at all.


I agree.
Look at first comment in missing playoffs 6 of 7  
bhill410 : 12/16/2018 6:26 pm : link
Years. Thats pretty common
RE: Papa is a total mediocrity  
81_Great_Dane : 12/16/2018 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14221879 bluepepper said:
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who benefits from the Giants lifetime tenure approach to most organization jobs. Who cares what he says or thinks?
Funny, I love listening to Papa. I think his play-by-play is quite detailed and he's honest about the team, not a shill. He's also a huge upgrade over his predecessor, Jim Gordon, whose play-by-play was awful. ("Simms back to pass. (long pause, crowd cheers swelling) Touchdown!") Gordon was the perfect example of what you're talking about. Had the job forever, whether he was any good at it or not.
Bob Papa  
PaulN : 12/16/2018 6:28 pm : link
Makes a fortune and guess who pays him? But that has nothing to do with his defending of Chris Mara. LOL! I honestly don't know how responsible Chris Mara is or isn't, but a caller makes a statement and gets jumped on, real good. The fucking fans are paying the fucking bills, including that fucks salary, maybe he is kissing the wrong ass.
Couldn't the Giants  
Bill in UT : 12/16/2018 6:29 pm : link
just clear it all up by saying what his job responsibilities are and where he fits on the organizational chart?
You might be the only person who ever heard Jim Gordon and Bob Papa  
arniefez : 12/16/2018 6:29 pm : link
and has that opinion. Bob Papa blew the biggest call of his life so badly they had to edit it out or redub it for highlights. Is David Tyree still wide open?
Well I think  
joeinpa : 12/16/2018 6:30 pm : link
I ll go with the opinion of the formally beloved Bob Papa where Chris Mara is concerned, as opposed to uninformed outsiders ;

Unless you think he lied about the Parcells Coughlin thing, I d stop doubling down on the issue,
Papa  
Sammo85 : 12/16/2018 6:33 pm : link
is just a company guy protecting his employer.
Chris Mara likes the horsies...  
Optimus-NY : 12/16/2018 6:36 pm : link
He's a cleaned up version of Marc Davis. Parcells and Coughlin couldn't care less about Chris Mara's "evaluation" skills.
Ned  
UConn4523 : 12/16/2018 6:43 pm : link
I have no desire to discuss personnel decisions with you. We wont get anywhere and your mind is made up. You are convinced those 3 are paid off and that Chris Mara is the reason why weve stunk. Theres no reasoning with people who grasp at that many straws so, thanks but no thanks.

What I will do is sit back and laugh, because BBI has been providing a ton of comedic gems as of late.
RE: RE: RE: If he's  
montanagiant : 12/16/2018 6:45 pm : link
In comment 14221939 kcgiants said:
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In comment 14221861 UConn4523 said:


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In comment 14221849 KWALL2 said:


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he's a fucking meathead.

There isn't a consensus here of blaming anybody. You can pick and choose a few posts and come up with a BBI consensus in your own mind like he apparently has.



He responded to a caller who brought it up. And Im glad he did because this board is fucking clueless about many things, personnel decision being at the top of the list.


+1. Half the BBI are girls who constantly complain and don't know what they are watching and complain about everything that goes wrong. First year following and my wife knows more and complains much less. JFC

Could not agree more with both posts
BBI has been obsessed w/Chris Mara for years  
RobCarpenter : 12/16/2018 7:00 pm : link
.
I didn't know BBI  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/16/2018 7:12 pm : link
Appropriated the blame Chris Mara mantra, good work guys, I've never been more proud of bbi!

Bob Papa wants you to leave Chris alone when he goes to the Kentucky Derby during the draft.

Heard that. Excellent funny and we stand corrected  
idiotsavant : 12/16/2018 7:15 pm : link
Regarding Chris Mara and the draft.

But who keeps hiring "west coast pass as run" coaches? Is that Chris?

Or is that more a result of not having an O line?...and is not having a line the result. of. believing. IN pass as run?

For obvious reasons going back to.macadoo. with regards to what you then ask your linesmem to do..and which ones get drafted.

RE: He knows more than any of us about who's involved is trades and the  
Big Rick in FL : 12/16/2018 7:23 pm : link
In comment 14221847 Ira said:
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draft, so I'd take his word for it.


Why would you take his word for it? He's on the Giants payroll and a Giants homer. Which I have no problem with, but he shouldn't act like he's not.
Kiss the Maras ass  
jeff57 : 12/16/2018 7:27 pm : link
Youre sure to keep your job.
I would like to see some of you weasels meet face to face with  
Ivan15 : 12/16/2018 7:30 pm : link
Some of the team reps you try to skewer. Most would either kiss their rings or cower in a corner.

Man up, make insightful comments or shut up.
The quality of BBI is certainly in the shitter these days  
Bockman : 12/16/2018 7:33 pm : link
and most posters are fucking clueless. So I have no problem with those comments.
Can we give Papa  
Bleedin Blue : 12/16/2018 7:45 pm : link
The BBI award this coming preseason!
Ivan  
joeinpa : 12/16/2018 7:59 pm : link
👍
Consensus on BBI? Ha, ha, ha  
GiantsUA : 12/16/2018 8:01 pm : link
About that the only consensus on BBI is the day of the week, Sunday, and you can bet there will be a couple of outliers that will disagree.

In Japan it is Monday, et.
C Mara  
fkap : 12/16/2018 8:14 pm : link
is:

A - a quality analyst who isn't listened to, by two different regimes, which begs the question of why

B - a token figure with a fancy title

C- a guy with a real leadership position who is part of the problem.

take your pick. Whoever holds the de facto position, regardless of actual title is part of the problem. So either CM is the man who matches the title, or he's a guy with an empty title. Bob can't say he's the former and say he escapes a lot of responsibility for this team.
Bockman  
arniefez : 12/16/2018 8:19 pm : link
Yes the quality of BBI is surprisingly poor especially after Giants Stadium was torn down for that shithole PSL Park. Especially when the Giants are such consistent playoff contenders, run so well and such a model organization. How could anyone be critical of the Giants? They do everything right. A forward thinking, big picture, innovative bunch those Mara's. The envy of the NFL.
The people who Papa refer to on BBI  
dep026 : 12/16/2018 8:21 pm : link
are the ones who post the most...

a) after a loss
b) eli has a bad game
c) combo of A and B.
RE: The people who Papa refer to on BBI  
figgy2989 : 12/16/2018 8:23 pm : link
In comment 14222155 dep026 said:
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are the ones who post the most...

a) after a loss
b) eli has a bad game
c) combo of A and B.


So essentially you?
No I post win or lose  
dep026 : 12/16/2018 8:24 pm : link
when Eli plays well or doesnt. And I dont blame Chris Mara for a product. So good try?
RE: The people who Papa refer to on BBI  
twostepgiants : 12/16/2018 8:26 pm : link
So essentially 90% of the time.


In comment 14222155 dep026 said:
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are the ones who post the most...

a) after a loss
b) eli has a bad game
c) combo of A and B.
So you should have said in your post  
figgy2989 : 12/16/2018 8:27 pm : link
The posters who are negative.

Because if its only posters who post after a and b of your statement, that is you included.
RE: So you should have said in your post  
dep026 : 12/16/2018 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14222161 figgy2989 said:
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The posters who are negative.

Because if its only posters who post after a and b of your statement, that is you included.


The voices are a little louder in my scenarios. Check the poster above you.
Here is an interesting bit about Parcells / C. Mara  
steve in ky : 12/16/2018 8:30 pm : link
Actually the entire article is a pretty good read and has a lot of quotes Giants related.

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Hall of Fame head coach Bill Parcells, never associated with compromise, was less willing to consider some scouts' opinions than others.

"It depended on if they knew what they were doing," he said. "Were they experienced enough to have a good opinion? You listen to people whose opinions you respect."

When Chris Mara told Parcells that Dave Meggett could help the Giants in 1989, Parcells was skeptical. Meggett was 5'7", and the Giants already had a 5'7" running back in Joe Morris. Parcells was adamanthe did not want another back who couldn't pass protect or function as a receiver. But Mara kept working him.

"Meggett could help on third downs," Mara told him. "He can return punts. He can return kicks. You could develop a role for him."

Parcells respected Mara. He listened. He relented.

Meggett was voted an All-Pro three times and ended his career with the most punt-return yards in history. After Parcells left the Giants to become coach of the Patriots, he signed Meggett in New England.

How NFL Teams Really Make Their Draft Picks - ( New Window )
All good dep  
figgy2989 : 12/16/2018 8:30 pm : link
You know I like to bust your balls and knew exactly what you were referring to.
I mean we actually had posters  
dep026 : 12/16/2018 8:32 pm : link
cheering against the offense on the last drive and making fun of Eli for a "face". We have some really pathetic fans.
RE: The people who Papa refer to on BBI  
montanagiant : 12/16/2018 8:36 pm : link
In comment 14222155 dep026 said:
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are the ones who post the most...

a) after a loss
b) eli has a bad game
c) combo of A and B.

This is 100% correct
it hit a nerve  
mdc1 : 12/16/2018 9:06 pm : link
with them given their miserable performance (losers) over the last 6-7 years. It is far easier to blame the deck chairs and rearrange them instead of the guys that bought them and signed off on them
.....  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 12/16/2018 9:13 pm : link
In 7 years, there's been 2 winning seasons and no playoff wins.

Thrown in there is one of the worst years in franchise history.

But no, the Vice president of player personnel shouldn't be criticized.
RE: RE: If he's  
Section331 : 12/16/2018 9:13 pm : link
In comment 14221861 UConn4523 said:
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He responded to a caller who brought it up. And Im glad he did because this board is fucking clueless about many things, personnel decision being at the top of the list.


Do a word search and see how often Chris Mara is mentioned on BBI. Hes rarely mentioned here. And maybe Papa is right, and Chris Mara has little input on personnel decisions, but then why the fuck is he the SVP of Personnel?

You cant have it both ways. You cant say that Chris Mara has little input on personnel decisions and then say he is qualified for his position. The problem many have with him is that he can never be fired, no matter how shitty the roster gets.
RE: C Mara  
Del Shofner : 12/16/2018 9:36 pm : link
In comment 14222143 fkap said:
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is:

A - a quality analyst who isn't listened to, by two different regimes, which begs the question of why

B - a token figure with a fancy title

C- a guy with a real leadership position who is part of the problem.

take your pick. Whoever holds the de facto position, regardless of actual title is part of the problem. So either CM is the man who matches the title, or he's a guy with an empty title. Bob can't say he's the former and say he escapes a lot of responsibility for this team.


Good post fkap. That's basically how I see it.
RE: .....  
Ned In Atlanta : 12/16/2018 9:52 pm : link
In comment 14222214 CoughlinHandsonHips said:
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In 7 years, there's been 2 winning seasons and no playoff wins.

Thrown in there is one of the worst years in franchise history.

But no, the Vice president of player personnel shouldn't be criticized.




Yup. Were the browns but we have Lombardis so were not a total laughing stock.
Papa's a good play by play guy  
jcn56 : 12/16/2018 9:53 pm : link
If you're looking for anything remotely resembling good analysis or fair and unbiased reporting, walk very quickly in the opposite direction.

And to be fair, I don't know if you should expect that given his job title.

As to what Chris Mara is or isn't - it's hard to take anything the Giants do seriously when they relieve TC, Reese and Ross of their responsibilities but he's sitting there with a Sr VP of Pro Personnel title. If it's a title in name only, there'd be no problem in reassigning him. If he's actually responsible for decisions on players, he's every bit as responsible for this shitshow as anyone else.
Papa really focusing on whats important  
twostepgiants : 12/16/2018 9:55 pm : link
On this day where the Giants were eliminated from playoff contention for the 6th time in 7 years, failed to reach the Wellington low standard of meaningful football in the last weekend for the 6th time in 7 years, and were shutout, at home, by a team thats not even currently in the playoffs....

The real focus should be on the small subset of Giants FANS complaining on an internet message board about it. Thats the real problem.

If Mara and Tisch  
Les in TO : 12/16/2018 9:58 pm : link
are serious about fixing this franchise, Mara would step aside as president and CEO and turn that responsibility over to an external candidate and use an arms length search firm to source quality candidates not the inbred fake GM search last winter.
Chris Mara  
mrvax : 12/16/2018 9:59 pm : link
has been more interested in horse racing than the Giants.
Here is the full audio of the phone call  
BigBlueinChicago : 12/16/2018 10:01 pm : link
to the postgame show for those who did not hear it.

Bob Papa vs. BBI - ( New Window )
Sounds like a stuttering fucking idiot  
jcn56 : 12/16/2018 10:05 pm : link
in that clip, not a good look for Papa.
I for one don't believe  
allstarjim : 12/16/2018 10:07 pm : link
The Giants are a mess. They are a team in transition. The Barkley pick was absolutely the right one in an offseason where a QB at that spot would have been justifiable. We have another offseason coming up that is similar, and I hope once again the Giants choose the best player. Once again, this was not a 1-year turnaround project, but you can see that the Giants have gotten better from last year to this year, from the coaching to the defense to the offensive efficiency. That's what you should expect from a program that was at rock bottom and trying to re-establish itself. Of course, the biggest decision is yet to be made, which will determine whether or not the Giants become a playoff team again, and that is who is the heir to Eli. And one shod expect growing pains for any rookie that takes that job, but they still have to get that one right. But Saquon Barkley, OBJ, and a good defense will help whoever that is that eventually takes over.
RE: Papa really focusing on whats important  
UConn4523 : 12/16/2018 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14222302 twostepgiants said:
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On this day where the Giants were eliminated from playoff contention for the 6th time in 7 years, failed to reach the Wellington low standard of meaningful football in the last weekend for the 6th time in 7 years, and were shutout, at home, by a team thats not even currently in the playoffs....

The real focus should be on the small subset of Giants FANS complaining on an internet message board about it. Thats the real problem.


It wasnt a focus, it was a response to a caller. Why is this so difficult for people to understand? This was something brought to his attention, he didnt seek it out.
When he took over  
Joey in VA : 12/16/2018 10:17 pm : link
For Gettleman as director of pro personnel, our FA signings went in the g damn toilet, he didn't churn the roster like DG does and we paid for it and still are. He's not all to blame but his FA record and roster additions since DG left aren't anything to be proud of.
RE: RE: RE: If he's  
jcn56 : 12/16/2018 10:18 pm : link
In comment 14222216 Section331 said:
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In comment 14221861 UConn4523 said:


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He responded to a caller who brought it up. And Im glad he did because this board is fucking clueless about many things, personnel decision being at the top of the list.



Do a word search and see how often Chris Mara is mentioned on BBI. Hes rarely mentioned here. And maybe Papa is right, and Chris Mara has little input on personnel decisions, but then why the fuck is he the SVP of Personnel?

You cant have it both ways. You cant say that Chris Mara has little input on personnel decisions and then say he is qualified for his position. The problem many have with him is that he can never be fired, no matter how shitty the roster gets.


He has no say, *but*, he's the first guy that Parcells and Coughlin wanted in their FO. Then, went on to say that he's part of the drafting and evaluation process, but since he doesn't sign on the bottom line he's not responsible.

Papa hopped in the company truck and mowed down logic during that call.
If you listen to what Papa is saying..  
EricJ : 12/16/2018 10:20 pm : link
Chris Mara essentially is part of the scouting department but makes no decisions or selections when it comes to the players. Sounds like he actually gave more info than what he should. He told you that Chris Mara has a title that suggests he has more input than he does.

Bob obviously reads the posts here. He probably logged on one day when there was a thread about Chris Mara
RE: You might be the only person who ever heard Jim Gordon and Bob Papa  
rsjem1979 : 12/16/2018 10:34 pm : link
In comment 14221968 arniefez said:
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and has that opinion. Bob Papa blew the biggest call of his life so badly they had to edit it out or redub it for highlights. Is David Tyree still wide open?


His call of the game-clinching play was pretty bad also. For a very awkward moment it was like he forgot Brady's 2nd heave to Moss was on 4th down.

He's not a very good play by play man.
Nice to jump on Papa for pointing out the obvious  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/16/2018 11:21 pm : link
That fans cling to dumb nonsense theories to rationalize things as simply as possible. The Chris Mara thing is a bbi meme. In 80 years people will still clutch their pearls and somehow blame Reese and Chris Mara for hurting their Sunday feelings.
Say what...  
KWALL2 : 12/16/2018 11:26 pm : link
He is....
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essentially part of the scouting department but makes no decisions or selections


Is that it?

Then lets rip this DMF.
You're kidding, right? I mean, who would have thought Bob Papa  
baadbill : 12/16/2018 11:31 pm : link
would defend the owner of the business he works for?

What the fu*k do you think he would say? "Chris Mara is a stooge who only works for the Giants because he can't get a job doing the same thing anywhere else?"

Yea, that would go over well.

C'mon. This isn't even worthy of being called "news".
RE: You're kidding, right? I mean, who would have thought Bob Papa  
jcn56 : 12/16/2018 11:50 pm : link
In comment 14222454 baadbill said:
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would defend the owner of the business he works for?

What the fu*k do you think he would say? "Chris Mara is a stooge who only works for the Giants because he can't get a job doing the same thing anywhere else?"

Yea, that would go over well.

C'mon. This isn't even worthy of being called "news".


I don't think it was defending Mara that got this here, it's that Papa decided to pin it on BBI.

As if BBI is where bashing the Mara's for being incompetent got it's start. Maybe Bob's never been to a tailgate?
ha  
giantfan2000 : 12/17/2018 12:10 am : link
I hope Papa is talking about me !
I have been talking about this over and over

Chris Mara became Senior Vice President of Player Personnel in 2011.
Since then this franchise has been mostly terrible

The fact is this franchise is a mess and has replaced coaches and GMs yet CHRIS MARA CAN'T BE FIRED

It is silly that Papa would even know or  
St. Jimmy : 12/17/2018 5:54 am : link
care what is said here. If the Giants are monitoring BBI. It is actually scary. Based on how they reacted to the fans when McAdoo benched Eli, they probably are. Ironically if they went with BBI consensus 1st round picks, the o-line would probably better.

I wonder what the handles of there operatives are? Do they have meetings on what to post?
New Game  
Jay in Toronto : 12/17/2018 6:42 am : link
Guess Bob Papa's handle on BBI.

Go!
RE: I for one don't believe  
Ned In Atlanta : 12/17/2018 6:56 am : link
In comment 14222320 allstarjim said:
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The Giants are a mess. They are a team in transition. The Barkley pick was absolutely the right one in an offseason where a QB at that spot would have been justifiable. We have another offseason coming up that is similar, and I hope once again the Giants choose the best player. Once again, this was not a 1-year turnaround project, but you can see that the Giants have gotten better from last year to this year, from the coaching to the defense to the offensive efficiency. That's what you should expect from a program that was at rock bottom and trying to re-establish itself. Of course, the biggest decision is yet to be made, which will determine whether or not the Giants become a playoff team again, and that is who is the heir to Eli. And one shod expect growing pains for any rookie that takes that job, but they still have to get that one right. But Saquon Barkley, OBJ, and a good defense will help whoever that is that eventually takes over.



Were only what? 8 players away from a good defense ?
RE: Consensus on BBI? Ha, ha, ha  
ron mexico : 12/17/2018 7:17 am : link
In comment 14222125 GiantsUA said:
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About that the only consensus on BBI is the day of the week, Sunday, and you can bet there will be a couple of outliers that will disagree.

In Japan it is Monday, et.


There are two thing you can get concensus on

1. Buy a Weber grill
2. Chris Mara sucks
We have no idea about Mara  
idiotsavant : 12/17/2018 7:30 am : link
But Jerry Reese unhelpful sports related biases were obvious for ten years before he was let go. Not facetiously, who's responsibility was that?
First...  
bw in dc : 12/17/2018 8:07 am : link
Papa says Chris Mara is not the final say in any personnel moves at Jints Central. So hes being unfairly castigated by BBI.

But then he says Chris Mara is such a great talent evaluator that Parcells and Coughlin were essentially desperate to hire him.

So what Papa is suggesting is that many of the personnel problems would be solved if Chris Mara was actually in charge. And if John Mara ever figures this out this organization will soar.

Lets hope Papa has a good working relationship with his employer, the Maras, and finally makes this brilliant recommendation.


Wild stabs in the dark to lay blame  
JonC : 12/17/2018 8:12 am : link
is entertaining, it brings out the nuts.
Chris Mara is a mystery  
micky : 12/17/2018 8:15 am : link
That needs to be rwvealed to get the truth about...put him total charge to see...to prove right or wrong
A mystery that shall continue  
JonC : 12/17/2018 8:18 am : link
for any person with the last name of Mara, it's a family run business.
Not really sure how you can listen to papa  
bhill410 : 12/17/2018 8:26 am : link
Not think he is a great play by play guy.
This is fucking..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/17/2018 8:39 am : link
classic.

Papa is dead on about a lot of people on the board being morons as to how the team is run and a lot of the jackasses who are guilty of said behavior flock here to rip on Papa.

There's probably not much debate that Papa and Banks are the two most plugged in guys to the team and who have been professional broadcasters for years. Both have praised the team and both have been critical of the team.

But then again - we are talking about a board who has mischaracterized Gettleman and Shurmur as "Yes men", and who think ownership had a mandate to keep Eli Manning and build around him.

Is Papa right that a lot of BBI'ers are clueless about the organization? Definitely.

And not surprisingly, there's a couple "Jints Central" mentions here, which is probably one source of the jackassery he refers to.
Not a big fan of Banks,  
Big Blue '56 : 12/17/2018 8:42 am : link
but Papa rocks. He tells it like it is, with much knowledge behind what he says. Of all people to get on. Sheesh.
I like Papa...  
Dan in the Springs : 12/17/2018 9:55 am : link
think he's a very good listen. Is he a homer, of course. I don't care. I prefer to talk Giants football with fellow Giants fans. That's why I'm on BBI so much instead of hanging around other teams boards.

This site is great. I love it. Having said that, there are too many over-reactive fans here at times. I have to skim threads to find ones that are worthwhile discussions of football. Too many experts. Not enough facts. Not enough rational discussion.
RE: I like Papa...  
EricJ : 12/17/2018 11:38 am : link
In comment 14222931 Dan in the Springs said:
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think he's a very good listen. Is he a homer, of course. I don't care.


Not sure how many people really listen to Bob. I listen to the radio broadcast and I also listen to him in the mornings on Sirius. He is often critical of the team. He is not criticizing ownership of course and maybe because he believes the players and coaches are responsible for the performance on the field. I have also heard him criticize draft picks and free agent signings in the past.

If anyone (not talking specifically to you Dan) here thinks Bob is going to go on some rant destroying the Giants then that is not realistic.

FYI.. If I did that openly about my employer they would probably can my ass too and I am not on the radio or TV.
RE: RE: I like Papa...  
Dan in the Springs : 12/17/2018 11:42 am : link
In comment 14223218 EricJ said:
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In comment 14222931 Dan in the Springs said:


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think he's a very good listen. Is he a homer, of course. I don't care.



Not sure how many people really listen to Bob. I listen to the radio broadcast and I also listen to him in the mornings on Sirius. He is often critical of the team. He is not criticizing ownership of course and maybe because he believes the players and coaches are responsible for the performance on the field. I have also heard him criticize draft picks and free agent signings in the past.

If anyone (not talking specifically to you Dan) here thinks Bob is going to go on some rant destroying the Giants then that is not realistic.

FYI.. If I did that openly about my employer they would probably can my ass too and I am not on the radio or TV.


I'm on the same page as you. I think he often is more critical than many here give him credit for. He's not just a mouthpiece for Giants ownership.

Having said that, he tends to be more conservative in his criticism than most all Giants fans, and with good reason.
RE: You might be the only person who ever heard Jim Gordon and Bob Papa  
81_Great_Dane : 12/20/2018 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14221968 arniefez said:
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and has that opinion. Bob Papa blew the biggest call of his life so badly they had to edit it out or redub it for highlights. Is David Tyree still wide open?
Jim Gordon: Great voice, terrible at calling play-by-play. Really hated listening to him. Sorry.
Arniefez with yet another fake news post.  
Big Blue '56 : 12/20/2018 4:01 pm : link
Unless I was under a rock somewhere, Papas Tyree call was never edited out. And btw? Since Papa saw the entire field as the play unfolded, its been said that Tyree was wide open and by the time we saw it on TV, Harrison had closed really fast
How many clicks  
ctc in ftmyers : 12/20/2018 7:56 pm : link
has this gotten Eric? Never mind traffic to Papa's site? Me thinks he is great at doing his job.

Gotta do something to keep the base interested until the team turns around.

Not insinuating that Eric had a thing to do with it.
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