Caller on postgame ripped ownership and blamed Chris Mara in part. Papa went off on him, cited people from that Big Blue Interactive group who blame Chris Mara for the state of the roster and said they have no clue what theyre talking about. According to Papa, when Parcells and Coughlin went elsewhere, the first guy they called was Chris Mara. Nevertheless, Papa said he didnt make the final call on anyone, and the state of the roster cant be laid at his doorstep.
There isn't a consensus here of blaming anybody. You can pick and choose a few posts and come up with a BBI consensus in your own mind like he apparently has.
There isn't a consensus here of blaming anybody. You can pick and choose a few posts and come up with a BBI consensus in your own mind like he apparently has.
He responded to a caller who brought it up. And Im glad he did because this board is fucking clueless about many things, personnel decision being at the top of the list.
He must not have got the "This is On Eli" Memo !
The NFL has a new Cleveland Browns, its our beloved Giants. What a joke, hopefully that stadium is filled with cowboys fans week 17.
That in a nutshell is a large portion of NFL fans.
You are kidding right? Chris Mara has been blamed for the drafting for years. Several well known poster are on a constant diatribe on Mara and some on Tisch. But you never noticed that?
Reese? Yes. Plenty of abuse
TC. Abuse.
Mara? Not much at all.
He was calling out a specific group of posters who bash Chris Mara.
He said they are uninformed outsiders who dont know what they are talking about and proceeded to explain why.
It was great.
This is a mediocre team. Maybe a little better on their best day, or a little worse on the crappiest day. They turned the season around to an extent but it was never going to end well. The Team is Probably not that far away, but they need work. A lot of work. They got mauled by a better and more physical team today.
Im sure this place is a shit show right now. Im just glad Im home and warm and dry. What a mess that game was today. I deserve a super bowl title soon just for being there today.
It was all 3 of them though. So are they all wrong or is it more likely some BBI posters dont have a clue? 3 guys around the team for a living, 2 played here. This isnt just some hack radio show host like Carton.
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who benefits from the Giants lifetime tenure approach to most organization jobs. Who cares what he says or thinks?
It was all 3 of them though. So are they all wrong or is it more likely some BBI posters dont have a clue? 3 guys around the team for a living, 2 played here. This isnt just some hack radio show host like Carton.
Guys who get their checks signed by John Mara. No chance they see things through rose colored glasses !
There isn't a consensus here of blaming anybody. You can pick and choose a few posts and come up with a BBI consensus in your own mind like he apparently has.
You are right about a consensus but, c'mon - Chris Mara has taken heat on this site. That is for sure.
Case in point.
You cant be critical. The team is a dumpster fire but youre just an idiot on BBI!!
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who benefits from the Giants lifetime tenure approach to most organization jobs. Who cares what he says or thinks?
It was all 3 of them though. So are they all wrong or is it more likely some BBI posters dont have a clue? 3 guys around the team for a living, 2 played here. This isnt just some hack radio show host like Carton.
Guys who get their checks signed by John Mara. No chance they see things through rose colored glasses !
You sound like a flat earther.
Maybe its just a title.
I don't believe for a second that Bill Parcells is called Chris Mara for anything other than a tip on a horse and Coughlin? Coughlin sure looked like he want to hang around with Mara's at his last press conference.
This kind of thin skinned Baghdad Bob like spin has been going on with the Mara's for 60 years.
John & Chris Mara are absolutely the reason the Giants are mess.
I don't believe for a second that Bill Parcells is called Chris Mara for anything other than a tip on a horse and Coughlin? Coughlin sure looked like he want to hang around with Mara's at his last press conference.
This kind of thin skinned Baghdad Bob like spin has been going on with the Mara's for 60 years.
John & Chris Mara are absolutely the reason the Giants are mess.
Bingo.
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In comment 14221879 bluepepper said:
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who benefits from the Giants lifetime tenure approach to most organization jobs. Who cares what he says or thinks?
It was all 3 of them though. So are they all wrong or is it more likely some BBI posters dont have a clue? 3 guys around the team for a living, 2 played here. This isnt just some hack radio show host like Carton.
Guys who get their checks signed by John Mara. No chance they see things through rose colored glasses !
You sound like a flat earther.
Rather than insult me, enlighten me. What has the player personnel department done to instill confidence?
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he's a fucking meathead.
There isn't a consensus here of blaming anybody. You can pick and choose a few posts and come up with a BBI consensus in your own mind like he apparently has.
He responded to a caller who brought it up. And Im glad he did because this board is fucking clueless about many things, personnel decision being at the top of the list.
+1. Half the BBI are girls who constantly complain and don't know what they are watching and complain about everything that goes wrong. First year following and my wife knows more and complains much less. JFC
I don't believe for a second that Bill Parcells is called Chris Mara for anything other than a tip on a horse and Coughlin? Coughlin sure looked like he want to hang around with Mara's at his last press conference.
This kind of thin skinned Baghdad Bob like spin has been going on with the Mara's for 60 years.
John & Chris Mara are absolutely the reason the Giants are mess.
Then why is he only Sr. VICE president? Who is SR. President?
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Chris Mara OWNS the Giants. He's the SR VP of Player Personnel. Does anyone think the Giants are good at player evaluation? If he doesn't do anything but sip wine and eat cheese why does he have that title?
I don't believe for a second that Bill Parcells is called Chris Mara for anything other than a tip on a horse and Coughlin? Coughlin sure looked like he want to hang around with Mara's at his last press conference.
This kind of thin skinned Baghdad Bob like spin has been going on with the Mara's for 60 years.
John & Chris Mara are absolutely the reason the Giants are mess.
Then why is he only Sr. VICE president? Who is SR. President?
John Mara.
Watching the Giants morph into the Knicks is quite embarrassing.
Reese? Yes. Plenty of abuse
TC. Abuse.
Mara? Not much at all.
I agree.
Unless you think he lied about the Parcells Coughlin thing, I d stop doubling down on the issue,
What I will do is sit back and laugh, because BBI has been providing a ton of comedic gems as of late.
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he's a fucking meathead.
There isn't a consensus here of blaming anybody. You can pick and choose a few posts and come up with a BBI consensus in your own mind like he apparently has.
He responded to a caller who brought it up. And Im glad he did because this board is fucking clueless about many things, personnel decision being at the top of the list.
+1. Half the BBI are girls who constantly complain and don't know what they are watching and complain about everything that goes wrong. First year following and my wife knows more and complains much less. JFC
Could not agree more with both posts
Bob Papa wants you to leave Chris alone when he goes to the Kentucky Derby during the draft.
But who keeps hiring "west coast pass as run" coaches? Is that Chris?
Or is that more a result of not having an O line?...and is not having a line the result. of. believing. IN pass as run?
For obvious reasons going back to.macadoo. with regards to what you then ask your linesmem to do..and which ones get drafted.
Why would you take his word for it? He's on the Giants payroll and a Giants homer. Which I have no problem with, but he shouldn't act like he's not.
Man up, make insightful comments or shut up.
In Japan it is Monday, et.
A - a quality analyst who isn't listened to, by two different regimes, which begs the question of why
B - a token figure with a fancy title
C- a guy with a real leadership position who is part of the problem.
take your pick. Whoever holds the de facto position, regardless of actual title is part of the problem. So either CM is the man who matches the title, or he's a guy with an empty title. Bob can't say he's the former and say he escapes a lot of responsibility for this team.
a) after a loss
b) eli has a bad game
c) combo of A and B.
a) after a loss
b) eli has a bad game
c) combo of A and B.
So essentially you?
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a) after a loss
b) eli has a bad game
c) combo of A and B.
Because if its only posters who post after a and b of your statement, that is you included.
Because if its only posters who post after a and b of your statement, that is you included.
The voices are a little louder in my scenarios. Check the poster above you.
"It depended on if they knew what they were doing," he said. "Were they experienced enough to have a good opinion? You listen to people whose opinions you respect."
When Chris Mara told Parcells that Dave Meggett could help the Giants in 1989, Parcells was skeptical. Meggett was 5'7", and the Giants already had a 5'7" running back in Joe Morris. Parcells was adamanthe did not want another back who couldn't pass protect or function as a receiver. But Mara kept working him.
"Meggett could help on third downs," Mara told him. "He can return punts. He can return kicks. You could develop a role for him."
Parcells respected Mara. He listened. He relented.
Meggett was voted an All-Pro three times and ended his career with the most punt-return yards in history. After Parcells left the Giants to become coach of the Patriots, he signed Meggett in New England.
How NFL Teams Really Make Their Draft Picks - ( New Window )
a) after a loss
b) eli has a bad game
c) combo of A and B.
This is 100% correct
Thrown in there is one of the worst years in franchise history.
But no, the Vice president of player personnel shouldn't be criticized.
He responded to a caller who brought it up. And Im glad he did because this board is fucking clueless about many things, personnel decision being at the top of the list.
Do a word search and see how often Chris Mara is mentioned on BBI. Hes rarely mentioned here. And maybe Papa is right, and Chris Mara has little input on personnel decisions, but then why the fuck is he the SVP of Personnel?
You cant have it both ways. You cant say that Chris Mara has little input on personnel decisions and then say he is qualified for his position. The problem many have with him is that he can never be fired, no matter how shitty the roster gets.
A - a quality analyst who isn't listened to, by two different regimes, which begs the question of why
B - a token figure with a fancy title
C- a guy with a real leadership position who is part of the problem.
take your pick. Whoever holds the de facto position, regardless of actual title is part of the problem. So either CM is the man who matches the title, or he's a guy with an empty title. Bob can't say he's the former and say he escapes a lot of responsibility for this team.
Good post fkap. That's basically how I see it.
Thrown in there is one of the worst years in franchise history.
But no, the Vice president of player personnel shouldn't be criticized.
Yup. Were the browns but we have Lombardis so were not a total laughing stock.
And to be fair, I don't know if you should expect that given his job title.
As to what Chris Mara is or isn't - it's hard to take anything the Giants do seriously when they relieve TC, Reese and Ross of their responsibilities but he's sitting there with a Sr VP of Pro Personnel title. If it's a title in name only, there'd be no problem in reassigning him. If he's actually responsible for decisions on players, he's every bit as responsible for this shitshow as anyone else.
The real focus should be on the small subset of Giants FANS complaining on an internet message board about it. Thats the real problem.
Bob Papa vs. BBI - ( New Window )
The real focus should be on the small subset of Giants FANS complaining on an internet message board about it. Thats the real problem.
It wasnt a focus, it was a response to a caller. Why is this so difficult for people to understand? This was something brought to his attention, he didnt seek it out.
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He responded to a caller who brought it up. And Im glad he did because this board is fucking clueless about many things, personnel decision being at the top of the list.
Do a word search and see how often Chris Mara is mentioned on BBI. Hes rarely mentioned here. And maybe Papa is right, and Chris Mara has little input on personnel decisions, but then why the fuck is he the SVP of Personnel?
You cant have it both ways. You cant say that Chris Mara has little input on personnel decisions and then say he is qualified for his position. The problem many have with him is that he can never be fired, no matter how shitty the roster gets.
He has no say, *but*, he's the first guy that Parcells and Coughlin wanted in their FO. Then, went on to say that he's part of the drafting and evaluation process, but since he doesn't sign on the bottom line he's not responsible.
Papa hopped in the company truck and mowed down logic during that call.
Bob obviously reads the posts here. He probably logged on one day when there was a thread about Chris Mara
His call of the game-clinching play was pretty bad also. For a very awkward moment it was like he forgot Brady's 2nd heave to Moss was on 4th down.
He's not a very good play by play man.
Is that it?
Then lets rip this DMF.
What the fu*k do you think he would say? "Chris Mara is a stooge who only works for the Giants because he can't get a job doing the same thing anywhere else?"
Yea, that would go over well.
C'mon. This isn't even worthy of being called "news".
What the fu*k do you think he would say? "Chris Mara is a stooge who only works for the Giants because he can't get a job doing the same thing anywhere else?"
Yea, that would go over well.
C'mon. This isn't even worthy of being called "news".
I don't think it was defending Mara that got this here, it's that Papa decided to pin it on BBI.
As if BBI is where bashing the Mara's for being incompetent got it's start. Maybe Bob's never been to a tailgate?
I have been talking about this over and over
Chris Mara became Senior Vice President of Player Personnel in 2011.
Since then this franchise has been mostly terrible
The fact is this franchise is a mess and has replaced coaches and GMs yet CHRIS MARA CAN'T BE FIRED
I wonder what the handles of there operatives are? Do they have meetings on what to post?
Go!
Were only what? 8 players away from a good defense ?
In Japan it is Monday, et.
There are two thing you can get concensus on
1. Buy a Weber grill
2. Chris Mara sucks
But then he says Chris Mara is such a great talent evaluator that Parcells and Coughlin were essentially desperate to hire him.
So what Papa is suggesting is that many of the personnel problems would be solved if Chris Mara was actually in charge. And if John Mara ever figures this out this organization will soar.
Lets hope Papa has a good working relationship with his employer, the Maras, and finally makes this brilliant recommendation.
Papa is dead on about a lot of people on the board being morons as to how the team is run and a lot of the jackasses who are guilty of said behavior flock here to rip on Papa.
There's probably not much debate that Papa and Banks are the two most plugged in guys to the team and who have been professional broadcasters for years. Both have praised the team and both have been critical of the team.
But then again - we are talking about a board who has mischaracterized Gettleman and Shurmur as "Yes men", and who think ownership had a mandate to keep Eli Manning and build around him.
Is Papa right that a lot of BBI'ers are clueless about the organization? Definitely.
And not surprisingly, there's a couple "Jints Central" mentions here, which is probably one source of the jackassery he refers to.
This site is great. I love it. Having said that, there are too many over-reactive fans here at times. I have to skim threads to find ones that are worthwhile discussions of football. Too many experts. Not enough facts. Not enough rational discussion.
Not sure how many people really listen to Bob. I listen to the radio broadcast and I also listen to him in the mornings on Sirius. He is often critical of the team. He is not criticizing ownership of course and maybe because he believes the players and coaches are responsible for the performance on the field. I have also heard him criticize draft picks and free agent signings in the past.
If anyone (not talking specifically to you Dan) here thinks Bob is going to go on some rant destroying the Giants then that is not realistic.
FYI.. If I did that openly about my employer they would probably can my ass too and I am not on the radio or TV.
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think he's a very good listen. Is he a homer, of course. I don't care.
Not sure how many people really listen to Bob. I listen to the radio broadcast and I also listen to him in the mornings on Sirius. He is often critical of the team. He is not criticizing ownership of course and maybe because he believes the players and coaches are responsible for the performance on the field. I have also heard him criticize draft picks and free agent signings in the past.
If anyone (not talking specifically to you Dan) here thinks Bob is going to go on some rant destroying the Giants then that is not realistic.
FYI.. If I did that openly about my employer they would probably can my ass too and I am not on the radio or TV.
I'm on the same page as you. I think he often is more critical than many here give him credit for. He's not just a mouthpiece for Giants ownership.
Having said that, he tends to be more conservative in his criticism than most all Giants fans, and with good reason.
Gotta do something to keep the base interested until the team turns around.
Not insinuating that Eric had a thing to do with it.