LOL...Bob Papa going off on BBI

He's a cleaned up version of Marc Davis. Parcells and Coughlin couldn't care less about Chris Mara's "evaluation" skills.

I have no desire to discuss personnel decisions with you. We won�t get anywhere and your mind is made up. You are convinced those 3 are paid off and that Chris Mara is the reason why we�ve stunk. There�s no reasoning with people who grasp at that many straws so, thanks but no thanks.

What I will do is sit back and laugh, because BBI has been providing a ton of comedic gems as of late.

In comment 14221939 kcgiants said:

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In comment 14221861 UConn4523 said: Quote: In comment 14221849 KWALL2 said: Quote: he's a fucking meathead. There isn't a consensus here of blaming anybody. You can pick and choose a few posts and come up with a BBI consensus in your own mind like he apparently has. He responded to a caller who brought it up. And I�m glad he did because this board is fucking clueless about many things, personnel decision being at the top of the list. +1. Half the BBI are girls who constantly complain and don't know what they are watching and complain about everything that goes wrong. First year following and my wife knows more and complains much less. JFC

Could not agree more with both posts

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Appropriated the blame Chris Mara mantra, good work guys, I've never been more proud of bbi!

Bob Papa wants you to leave Chris alone when he goes to the Kentucky Derby during the draft.

Regarding Chris Mara and the draft.

But who keeps hiring "west coast pass as run" coaches? Is that Chris?

Or is that more a result of not having an O line?...and is not having a line the result. of. believing. IN pass as run?

For obvious reasons going back to.macadoo. with regards to what you then ask your linesmem to do..and which ones get drafted.

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draft, so I'd take his word for it.

Why would you take his word for it? He's on the Giants payroll and a Giants homer. Which I have no problem with, but he shouldn't act like he's not.

You�re sure to keep your job.

Some of the team reps you try to skewer. Most would either kiss their rings or cower in a corner.

Man up, make insightful comments or shut up.

and most posters are fucking clueless. So I have no problem with those comments.

The BBI award this coming preseason!

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About that the only consensus on BBI is the day of the week, Sunday, and you can bet there will be a couple of outliers that will disagree.

In Japan it is Monday, et.

is:

A - a quality analyst who isn't listened to, by two different regimes, which begs the question of why

B - a token figure with a fancy title

C- a guy with a real leadership position who is part of the problem.

take your pick. Whoever holds the de facto position, regardless of actual title is part of the problem. So either CM is the man who matches the title, or he's a guy with an empty title. Bob can't say he's the former and say he escapes a lot of responsibility for this team.

Yes the quality of BBI is surprisingly poor especially after Giants Stadium was torn down for that shithole PSL Park. Especially when the Giants are such consistent playoff contenders, run so well and such a model organization. How could anyone be critical of the Giants? They do everything right. A forward thinking, big picture, innovative bunch those Mara's. The envy of the NFL.

are the ones who post the most...

a) after a loss
b) eli has a bad game
c) combo of A and B.

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are the ones who post the most... a) after a loss b) eli has a bad game c) combo of A and B.

So essentially you?

when Eli plays well or doesnt. And I dont blame Chris Mara for a product. So good try?

So essentially 90% of the time.


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are the ones who post the most... a) after a loss b) eli has a bad game c) combo of A and B.

The posters who are negative.

Because if it�s only posters who post after a and b of your statement, that is you included.

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The posters who are negative. Because if it�s only posters who post after a and b of your statement, that is you included.

The voices are a little louder in my scenarios. Check the poster above you.

Actually the entire article is a pretty good read and has a lot of quotes Giants related.

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Hall of Fame head coach Bill Parcells, never associated with compromise, was less willing to consider some scouts' opinions than others. "It depended on if they knew what they were doing," he said. "Were they experienced enough to have a good opinion? You listen to people whose opinions you respect." When Chris Mara told Parcells that Dave Meggett could help the Giants in 1989, Parcells was skeptical. Meggett was 5'7", and the Giants already had a 5'7" running back in Joe Morris. Parcells was adamant�he did not want another back who couldn't pass protect or function as a receiver. But Mara kept working him. "Meggett could help on third downs," Mara told him. "He can return punts. He can return kicks. You could develop a role for him." Parcells respected Mara. He listened. He relented. Meggett was voted an All-Pro three times and ended his career with the most punt-return yards in history. After Parcells left the Giants to become coach of the Patriots, he signed Meggett in New England.

How NFL Teams Really Make Their Draft Picks - ( New Window )

You know I like to bust your balls and knew exactly what you were referring to.

cheering against the offense on the last drive and making fun of Eli for a "face". We have some really pathetic fans.

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are the ones who post the most... a) after a loss b) eli has a bad game c) combo of A and B.

This is 100% correct

with them given their miserable performance (losers) over the last 6-7 years. It is far easier to blame the deck chairs and rearrange them instead of the guys that bought them and signed off on them

In 7 years, there's been 2 winning seasons and no playoff wins.

Thrown in there is one of the worst years in franchise history.

But no, the Vice president of player personnel shouldn't be criticized.

In comment 14221861 UConn4523 said:

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He responded to a caller who brought it up. And I�m glad he did because this board is fucking clueless about many things, personnel decision being at the top of the list.

Do a word search and see how often Chris Mara is mentioned on BBI. He�s rarely mentioned here. And maybe Papa is right, and Chris Mara has little input on personnel decisions, but then why the fuck is he the SVP of Personnel?

You can�t have it both ways. You can�t say that Chris Mara has little input on personnel decisions and then say he is qualified for his position. The problem many have with him is that he can never be fired, no matter how shitty the roster gets.

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is: A - a quality analyst who isn't listened to, by two different regimes, which begs the question of why B - a token figure with a fancy title C- a guy with a real leadership position who is part of the problem. take your pick. Whoever holds the de facto position, regardless of actual title is part of the problem. So either CM is the man who matches the title, or he's a guy with an empty title. Bob can't say he's the former and say he escapes a lot of responsibility for this team.

Good post fkap. That's basically how I see it.

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In 7 years, there's been 2 winning seasons and no playoff wins. Thrown in there is one of the worst years in franchise history. But no, the Vice president of player personnel shouldn't be criticized.

Yup. We�re the browns but we have Lombardis so we�re not a total laughing stock.

If you're looking for anything remotely resembling good analysis or fair and unbiased reporting, walk very quickly in the opposite direction.

And to be fair, I don't know if you should expect that given his job title.

As to what Chris Mara is or isn't - it's hard to take anything the Giants do seriously when they relieve TC, Reese and Ross of their responsibilities but he's sitting there with a Sr VP of Pro Personnel title. If it's a title in name only, there'd be no problem in reassigning him. If he's actually responsible for decisions on players, he's every bit as responsible for this shitshow as anyone else.

On this day where the Giants were eliminated from playoff contention for the 6th time in 7 years, failed to reach the Wellington low standard of �meaningful football� in the last weekend for the 6th time in 7 years, and were shutout, at home, by a team that�s not even currently in the playoffs....

The real focus should be on the small subset of Giants FANS complaining on an internet message board about it. That�s the real problem.

are serious about fixing this franchise, Mara would step aside as president and CEO and turn that responsibility over to an external candidate and use an arms length search firm to source quality candidates not the inbred fake GM search last winter.

has been more interested in horse racing than the Giants.

to the postgame show for those who did not hear it.

Bob Papa vs. BBI - ( New Window )

in that clip, not a good look for Papa.

The Giants are a mess. They are a team in transition. The Barkley pick was absolutely the right one in an offseason where a QB at that spot would have been justifiable. We have another offseason coming up that is similar, and I hope once again the Giants choose the best player. Once again, this was not a 1-year turnaround project, but you can see that the Giants have gotten better from last year to this year, from the coaching to the defense to the offensive efficiency. That's what you should expect from a program that was at rock bottom and trying to re-establish itself. Of course, the biggest decision is yet to be made, which will determine whether or not the Giants become a playoff team again, and that is who is the heir to Eli. And one shod expect growing pains for any rookie that takes that job, but they still have to get that one right. But Saquon Barkley, OBJ, and a good defense will help whoever that is that eventually takes over.

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On this day where the Giants were eliminated from playoff contention for the 6th time in 7 years, failed to reach the Wellington low standard of �meaningful football� in the last weekend for the 6th time in 7 years, and were shutout, at home, by a team that�s not even currently in the playoffs.... The real focus should be on the small subset of Giants FANS complaining on an internet message board about it. That�s the real problem.

It wasn�t a focus, it was a response to a caller. Why is this so difficult for people to understand? This was something brought to his attention, he didn�t seek it out.

For Gettleman as director of pro personnel, our FA signings went in the g damn toilet, he didn't churn the roster like DG does and we paid for it and still are. He's not all to blame but his FA record and roster additions since DG left aren't anything to be proud of.

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In comment 14221861 UConn4523 said: Quote: He responded to a caller who brought it up. And I�m glad he did because this board is fucking clueless about many things, personnel decision being at the top of the list. Do a word search and see how often Chris Mara is mentioned on BBI. He�s rarely mentioned here. And maybe Papa is right, and Chris Mara has little input on personnel decisions, but then why the fuck is he the SVP of Personnel? You can�t have it both ways. You can�t say that Chris Mara has little input on personnel decisions and then say he is qualified for his position. The problem many have with him is that he can never be fired, no matter how shitty the roster gets.

He has no say, *but*, he's the first guy that Parcells and Coughlin wanted in their FO. Then, went on to say that he's part of the drafting and evaluation process, but since he doesn't sign on the bottom line he's not responsible.

Papa hopped in the company truck and mowed down logic during that call.

Chris Mara essentially is part of the scouting department but makes no decisions or selections when it comes to the players. Sounds like he actually gave more info than what he should. He told you that Chris Mara has a title that suggests he has more input than he does.

Bob obviously reads the posts here. He probably logged on one day when there was a thread about Chris Mara

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and has that opinion. Bob Papa blew the biggest call of his life so badly they had to edit it out or redub it for highlights. Is David Tyree still wide open?

His call of the game-clinching play was pretty bad also. For a very awkward moment it was like he forgot Brady's 2nd heave to Moss was on 4th down.

He's not a very good play by play man.

That fans cling to dumb nonsense theories to rationalize things as simply as possible. The Chris Mara thing is a bbi meme. In 80 years people will still clutch their pearls and somehow blame Reese and Chris Mara for hurting their Sunday feelings.

He is....

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essentially part of the scouting department but makes no decisions or selections

Is that it?

Then lets rip this DMF.

would defend the owner of the business he works for?

What the fu*k do you think he would say? "Chris Mara is a stooge who only works for the Giants because he can't get a job doing the same thing anywhere else?"

Yea, that would go over well.

C'mon. This isn't even worthy of being called "news".

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would defend the owner of the business he works for? What the fu*k do you think he would say? "Chris Mara is a stooge who only works for the Giants because he can't get a job doing the same thing anywhere else?" Yea, that would go over well. C'mon. This isn't even worthy of being called "news".

I don't think it was defending Mara that got this here, it's that Papa decided to pin it on BBI.

As if BBI is where bashing the Mara's for being incompetent got it's start. Maybe Bob's never been to a tailgate?

I hope Papa is talking about me !
I have been talking about this over and over

Chris Mara became Senior Vice President of Player Personnel in 2011.
Since then this franchise has been mostly terrible

The fact is this franchise is a mess and has replaced coaches and GMs yet CHRIS MARA CAN'T BE FIRED

care what is said here. If the Giants are monitoring BBI. It is actually scary. Based on how they reacted to the fans when McAdoo benched Eli, they probably are. Ironically if they went with BBI consensus 1st round picks, the o-line would probably better.

I wonder what the handles of there operatives are? Do they have meetings on what to post?

Guess Bob Papa's handle on BBI.

Go!

In comment 14222320 allstarjim said:

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The Giants are a mess. They are a team in transition. The Barkley pick was absolutely the right one in an offseason where a QB at that spot would have been justifiable. We have another offseason coming up that is similar, and I hope once again the Giants choose the best player. Once again, this was not a 1-year turnaround project, but you can see that the Giants have gotten better from last year to this year, from the coaching to the defense to the offensive efficiency. That's what you should expect from a program that was at rock bottom and trying to re-establish itself. Of course, the biggest decision is yet to be made, which will determine whether or not the Giants become a playoff team again, and that is who is the heir to Eli. And one shod expect growing pains for any rookie that takes that job, but they still have to get that one right. But Saquon Barkley, OBJ, and a good defense will help whoever that is that eventually takes over.

We�re only what? 8 players away from a good defense ?