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Draft order (after 4 p.m. games)

ray in arlington : 12/16/2018 7:36 pm
Draft Order
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Number in parentheses is NYG SOS relative to the listed team, a negative number means NYG has a weaker SOS than that team (i.e. NYG trending to pick ahead of that team for in case of a tie). For example, NYG SOS is currently 7 games weaker than JAC, meaning NYG is trending to pick ahead of JAC in case of a tie.)

1. ARI 3-11 (-3)
2. OAK 3-11 (-11.5) (almost clinched picking behind NYG in case of tie)
3. SF 4-10 (+2)
4. NYJ 4-10 (+2.5) will play GB
5. JAC 4-10 (-7)
6. ATL 5-9 (+5) will play CAR and TB
7. DET 5-9 (+3) will play GB
8. NYG 5-9
9. TB 5-9 (-0.5) will play ATL
10. BUF 5-9 (-2)
11. GB 5-8-1 (+6.5) will play NYJ and DET
12. CIN 6-8 (-5) will play CLE
13. DEN 6-8 (-4.5)
14. CAR 6-7 (+2) will play ATL
15. PHI 6-7 (clinched picking behind NYG in case of a tie) will play WAS
16. CLE 6-7-1 (-3) will play CIN
17. MIA 7-7 (clinched picking ahead of NYG in case of tie)
18. WAS 7-7 (clinched picking ahead of NYG in case of tie)


Assuming no tie games:
If Giants go 5-11, highest possible pick is #1, lowest is #9
If Giants go 6-10, highest possible pick is #3, lowest is #14
If Giants go 7-9, highest possible pick is #7, lowest is #17

Draft tiebreak vs WAS (non-common games)
WAS = wGB + wARI = 5.5 + 3 = 8.5
NYG = wCHI + wSF = 10 + 3 = 13
So WAS picks ahead of NYG in case of a tie.

Draft tiebreak vs PHI (non-common games)
PHI = wLAR + wMIN = 11 + 7.5 = 18.5
NYG = wCHI + wSF = 10 + 3 = 13
So NYG picks ahead of PHI in case of a tie.
Just  
Jon in NYC : 12/16/2018 7:37 pm : link
lose, baby!
Thanks Ray.  
Stan in LA : 12/16/2018 7:39 pm : link
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Ahead of Jacksonville  
Samiam : 12/16/2018 7:40 pm : link
They’re looking for a QB. Imagine we are too. Can’t believe they let the Redskins come back & beat them
Back in the top Ten!  
MTN-G-man : 12/16/2018 7:40 pm : link
:^(
RE: Ahead of Jacksonville  
ray in arlington : 12/16/2018 7:42 pm : link
In comment 14222080 Samiam said:
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They’re looking for a QB. Imagine we are too. Can’t believe they let the Redskins come back & beat them


In this bizzaro world I consider them to be behind Jacksonville :)
RE: Ahead of Jacksonville  
Jay on the Island : 12/16/2018 7:47 pm : link
In comment 14222080 Samiam said:
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They’re looking for a QB. Imagine we are too. Can’t believe they let the Redskins come back & beat them

I am hoping that Jacksonville decides to go for it next year and signs Flacco or Bridgewater and decide to pass on a QB. Either way we need them to win out. The Giants will hopefully finish with a top 5 pick and be in position to get Herbert.
I’m ok with the giants losing to Indy.  
Beezer : 12/16/2018 7:49 pm : link
Then beat Dallas, and there we go.
So they still have a shot at #1???  
micky : 12/16/2018 7:50 pm : link
Anywhere from 1 to 17  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 12/16/2018 7:50 pm : link
How awful would it be to start 1-7 miss the playoffs and pick 17?
RE: RE: Ahead of Jacksonville  
bigbluescot : 12/16/2018 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14222097 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14222080 Samiam said:


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They’re looking for a QB. Imagine we are too. Can’t believe they let the Redskins come back & beat them


I am hoping that Jacksonville decides to go for it next year and signs Flacco or Bridgewater and decide to pass on a QB. Either way we need them to win out. The Giants will hopefully finish with a top 5 pick and be in position to get Herbert.


Given the value on his option, Foles is almost certainly going to be available as well. If you are a team who things you're just competent QB play away from a run there should be a couple of viable options in FA.
5-11 is almost certain  
D_Giants : 12/16/2018 7:51 pm : link
“Good” news is that Shurmur cannot and wii not beat either the Colts or the Cowboys. If Gettleman does make any more bone-headed moves like gutting the run defense for a fifth-round pick, the Giants can have some more good players.
RE: I’m ok with the giants losing to Indy.  
The_Boss : 12/16/2018 7:53 pm : link
In comment 14222100 Beezer said:
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Then beat Dallas, and there we go.


Next win is sometime in the fall of 2019.
Well end up 6-10  
GFAN52 : 12/16/2018 7:54 pm : link
Beating Dallas. Book it.
Not rooting for them to lose  
TommytheElephant : 12/16/2018 7:54 pm : link
But I don’t see a win in the cards next week
Need Niners to upset the Bears next week  
shyster : 12/16/2018 8:04 pm : link
to give Dallas the #3 seed to play for Week 17.

Niners will be at home and coming off the upset of Seattle, so stranger things have happened.
RE: Well end up 6-10  
robbieballs2003 : 12/16/2018 8:07 pm : link
In comment 14222112 GFAN52 said:
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Beating Dallas. Book it.


Did you see what Tennessee's OL and DL did to us today? Dallas has comparable lines.
The Colts are going to kick our ass  
Jay on the Island : 12/16/2018 8:12 pm : link
Dallas will beat us comfortably also. 5-11
RE: RE: RE: Ahead of Jacksonville  
santacruzom : 12/16/2018 8:19 pm : link
In comment 14222105 bigbluescot said:
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Given the value on his option, Foles is almost certainly going to be available as well. If you are a team who things you're just competent QB play away from a run there should be a couple of viable options in FA.


If you're a team that goes 5-11 and thinks you're just a few pieces away from contention, you're likely a team owned by John Mara.
Just looking at the records  
DonnieD89 : 12/16/2018 8:25 pm : link
I see Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen are doing a hell of a job turning their franchises around. How's Matt Ryan doing? My point is that these team need more than just a freakin QB. Giants are in the same boat and need to get talent on the team. Franchise or no franchise QB this next coming draft, the Giants need to do well in the draft again.
LB Devin White CB Greedy Williams DL ED Oliver, Quinnin Williams  
GoBlue6599 : 12/16/2018 8:28 pm : link
There is a lot of defensive talent at the top of this draft. .. QB Haskins from Ohio State is intriguing as well
RE: RE: RE: RE: Ahead of Jacksonville  
bigbluescot : 12/16/2018 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14222150 santacruzom said:
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In comment 14222105 bigbluescot said:


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Given the value on his option, Foles is almost certainly going to be available as well. If you are a team who things you're just competent QB play away from a run there should be a couple of viable options in FA.



If you're a team that goes 5-11 and thinks you're just a few pieces away from contention, you're likely a team owned by John Mara.


Oh let me be clear, that's not us. We're not a QB and a couple of pieces away. We're maybe the sort of team who could do it if we had a once in a lifetime draft where we hit on every pick and they were all immediate contributors and that's after we had a stellar FA period. But that's not going to happen.

What I'm saying is the likes of the Jags who have a very talented Defense and a decent OL (if they're healthy) with a top tier RB and good WR corp may look at a Foles or Bridgewater + a top tier draft pick as a quicker solution than grooming a QB in a weak class.
RE: LB Devin White CB Greedy Williams DL ED Oliver, Quinnin Williams  
DonnieD89 : 12/16/2018 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14222162 GoBlue6599 said:
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There is a lot of defensive talent at the top of this draft. .. QB Haskins from Ohio State is intriguing as well


I am beginning to warm up to him. He is winning the big games. Although he is not a super mobile QB, he can run for those yards, when needed. We will have to see if he will come out.
What about our PO possibilities?  
Giants34 : 12/16/2018 8:47 pm : link
Sure, we're eliminated, but we were virtually eliminated when discussing that nonsense the last few weeks, so I figured I'd waste more time on the topic now.

On a serious note, thanks for these threads; they are very helpful.
RE: RE: LB Devin White CB Greedy Williams DL ED Oliver, Quinnin Williams  
GoBlue6599 : 12/16/2018 9:27 pm : link
In comment 14222181 DonnieD89 said:
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In comment 14222162 GoBlue6599 said:


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There is a lot of defensive talent at the top of this draft. .. QB Haskins from Ohio State is intriguing as well



I am beginning to warm up to him. He is winning the big games. Although he is not a super mobile QB, he can run for those yards, when needed. We will have to see if he will come out.

What impresses me about Haskin is his arm.. He is a damn good passer IMO
I think Luck  
Doomster : 12/16/2018 10:51 pm : link
will do a number on the Giants....

Just hoping that the Cowboys are in a situation, where they need to win a game.....
Thanks Ray  
5BowlsSoon : 12/16/2018 11:32 pm : link
Hoping for a Jax win. Disappointed it wasn’t today.
RE: RE: Well end up 6-10  
Milton : 12/17/2018 2:57 am : link
In comment 14222136 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14222112 GFAN52 said:


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Beating Dallas. Book it.

Did you see what Tennessee's OL and DL did to us today? Dallas has comparable lines.
What about the Bears OL and DL or the Skins OL and DL? Every week is different. Most don't include pouring rain.
RE: RE: Well end up 6-10  
jeff57 : 12/17/2018 5:21 am : link
In comment 14222136 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14222112 GFAN52 said:


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Beating Dallas. Book it.



Did you see what Tennessee's OL and DL did to us today? Dallas has comparable lines.


With a win against Tampa, Dallas will clinch the Division and most likely be locked into the four seed. Nothing to play for
Projected to get the ninth pick  
jeff57 : 12/17/2018 5:33 am : link
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ESPN  
Beer Man : 12/17/2018 5:44 am : link
Has an article projecting where each team will draft. They are projecting the Giants to be in the 9th slot with a less than 1% chance of getting the first pick (so you're saying there is a chance) and 7% chance to be in the top-5
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At this stage of another miserable season...  
M.S. : 12/17/2018 7:03 am : link

...I'm gonna be pissed as shit if we Draft any lower than #6.
RE: RE: RE: Well end up 6-10  
GFAN52 : 12/17/2018 7:17 am : link
In comment 14222520 jeff57 said:
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In comment 14222112 GFAN52 said:


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Beating Dallas. Book it.



Did you see what Tennessee's OL and DL did to us today? Dallas has comparable lines.



With a win against Tampa, Dallas will clinch the Division and most likely be locked into the four seed. Nothing to play for


That's correct. Giants will win their last game of this season.
RE: At this stage of another miserable season...  
GFAN52 : 12/17/2018 7:18 am : link
In comment 14222550 M.S. said:
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...I'm gonna be pissed as shit if we Draft any lower than #6.


I see the Giants picking 9-11.
RE: At this stage of another miserable season...  
The_Boss : 12/17/2018 7:38 am : link
In comment 14222550 M.S. said:
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...I'm gonna be pissed as shit if we Draft any lower than #6.


My guess is when it’s all done, the NYG will be picking 7/8.
RE: RE: At this stage of another miserable season...  
stoneman : 12/17/2018 8:32 am : link
In comment 14222582 The_Boss said:
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...I'm gonna be pissed as shit if we Draft any lower than #6.



My guess is when it’s all done, the NYG will be picking 7/8.


My guess is 7. I think they will lose out leaving 10 teams to vie for. Jax will win one with their Def, the TB/Atl game will eliminate one, and then either one of Buf or Det win scratch a cheap win. If Atl wins the TB/Atl, then possibly 6.
I hope  
5BowlsSoon : 12/17/2018 10:08 am : link
Jax Beats Miami next week and is tied with us. Apparently if we are tied they pick after us. That would be huge. Sure, they could always trade up to get the qb they want though.

I see Atlanta also being behind us...they should win at least one more game. I will have to check Lions schedule to see if they have a chance to win a game. Probably not.
RE: I hope  
GFAN52 : 12/17/2018 10:10 am : link
In comment 14222963 5BowlsSoon said:
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Jax Beats Miami next week and is tied with us. Apparently if we are tied they pick after us. That would be huge. Sure, they could always trade up to get the qb they want though.

I see Atlanta also being behind us...they should win at least one more game. I will have to check Lions schedule to see if they have a chance to win a game. Probably not.


I don't see the Giants trading up for a QB this year at all. BPA is most likely the route they go. They have way too many holes to lose draft picks in a trade up.
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