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dep026 : 12/16/2018 9:07 pm
I am not looking to get into back and forth. Just people's opinions. What do you think are the 3 most important positions to upgrade. We shoould have a top 10 pick, so we should get a premium player. Hopefully this doesnt get into a debate or shitshow. Just looking for positions.... My top 3.

1. Edge Rusher
2. Right Tackle
3. Free Saftey

And go.....
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Sean : 12/16/2018 9:51 pm : link
QB
RT
DE
Edge  
Gmanfandan : 12/16/2018 9:53 pm : link
DT - did no one watch the game today?
Offensive Line

We were man-handled on both sides of the ball today by a Meh football team.

Need to get bigger and tougher up front Offensively and Defensively



RE: Edge  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/16/2018 9:58 pm : link
In comment 14222299 Gmanfandan said:
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DT - did no one watch the game today?
Offensive Line

We were man-handled on both sides of the ball today by a Meh football team.

Need to get bigger and tougher up front Offensively and Defensively




We don’t play Henry every week and we have a bunch of young players getting their feet wet right now.
B in Alb  
Marty866b : 12/16/2018 9:58 pm : link
My reaction to this poll wasn't to insinuate that we should pick a quarterback. I just don't see how a quarterback isn't in our top 3 needs. I firmly believe that we are going to pick the best edge rusher available. Out side of blitzing, we have no one who can get to the passer.
If they don’t go QB this draft  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/16/2018 10:00 pm : link
I’m ok with it. I think the 2020 crop is going to be lights out with Tua and Fromm at the top of the list.

If we went after the BPA Tackle or DE that’s what I want.
Pass rusher first  
uconngiant : 12/16/2018 10:02 pm : link
I like a RT but getting one in free agent would be preferable.
Free Safety
another Corner
Linebacker
Wide Receiver
RE: B in Alb  
B in ALB : 12/16/2018 10:03 pm : link
In comment 14222305 Marty866b said:
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My reaction to this poll wasn't to insinuate that we should pick a quarterback. I just don't see how a quarterback isn't in our top 3 needs. I firmly believe that we are going to pick the best edge rusher available. Out side of blitzing, we have no one who can get to the passer.


I understand. But you have to calculate decisions within the context of who will be available whether rookie or vet, imo.
RE: B in Alb  
dep026 : 12/16/2018 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14222305 Marty866b said:
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My reaction to this poll wasn't to insinuate that we should pick a quarterback. I just don't see how a quarterback isn't in our top 3 needs. I firmly believe that we are going to pick the best edge rusher available. Out side of blitzing, we have no one who can get to the passer.


I am not enamored with the QBs in the draft. And if you arent picking one in the first round.... why bother in the 2nd or 3rd? I rather get players of need that can impact than projects.
I don't use the term edge rusher in this D  
idiotsavant : 12/16/2018 10:11 pm : link
Because the player also will be rushing interior at times and defending run at times. I will just call it OLB (4/3 type DE?) for brevity. If you want skinny fast we have that already in Carter.

Round 1 if the quality is there.

Followed by center, free safety, another lb, another safety and another ol player. Maybe corner maybe TE
have to pick  
JerrysKids : 12/16/2018 10:14 pm : link
O-Tackle
DE
Linebackers
Tight Ends
Franchise QB
RE: RE: B in Alb  
B in ALB : 12/16/2018 10:16 pm : link
In comment 14222318 dep026 said:
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In comment 14222305 Marty866b said:


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My reaction to this poll wasn't to insinuate that we should pick a quarterback. I just don't see how a quarterback isn't in our top 3 needs. I firmly believe that we are going to pick the best edge rusher available. Out side of blitzing, we have no one who can get to the passer.



I am not enamored with the QBs in the draft. And if you arent picking one in the first round.... why bother in the 2nd or 3rd? I rather get players of need that can impact than projects.


This team will be mired in qb hell if they don't have some luck break their way in terms of available options, draft and the Eli decision post 2019. It's a really sketchy position to be in.
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Jay on the Island : 12/16/2018 10:18 pm : link
QB
Pass rusher
FS
Yeah  
dep026 : 12/16/2018 10:20 pm : link
I dont want a Lauletta or Webb type pick.
Mine:  
Anakim : 12/16/2018 10:22 pm : link
1) Best Player Available
2) Best Player Available
3) Best Player Available
B  
Bill2 : 12/16/2018 10:24 pm : link
That's the way I see it. in that hell that's not bad enough for a top pick and therefore without a good enough QB to have a successful 10 year cycle
Agree w gmanfan  
idiotsavant : 12/16/2018 10:24 pm : link
DT is also a consideration. Even in this D where the nose isnt used in the typical manner, it's NFC E, one needs the beef.
RE: Agree w gmanfan  
dep026 : 12/16/2018 10:24 pm : link
In comment 14222352 idiotsavant said:
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DT is also a consideration. Even in this D where the nose isnt used in the typical manner, it's NFC E, one needs the beef.


We drafted Hill and Tomlinson in the last two drafts. You cant put all your top resources in one spot.
If the Giants were serious about the QB  
B in ALB : 12/16/2018 10:25 pm : link
position, they would have addressed it properly by now.

Instead, they took flyers on two guys who will never help this team. Big misses and wasted picks. Terrible job.

And if they were really serious, they would have picked a QB last year.

I like the Barkley pick a lot because he's a superstar. However, there will always be that "but".

Every mistake Eli makes is magnified by last year's draft.
This  
jtfuoco : 12/16/2018 10:26 pm : link
Team has so many holes it just makes your head spin. They are picking 8th and on the verge of being in QB hell this rebuild may take a while.
RE: RE: RE: B in Alb  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/16/2018 10:29 pm : link
In comment 14222335 B in ALB said:
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In comment 14222318 dep026 said:


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In comment 14222305 Marty866b said:


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My reaction to this poll wasn't to insinuate that we should pick a quarterback. I just don't see how a quarterback isn't in our top 3 needs. I firmly believe that we are going to pick the best edge rusher available. Out side of blitzing, we have no one who can get to the passer.



I am not enamored with the QBs in the draft. And if you arent picking one in the first round.... why bother in the 2nd or 3rd? I rather get players of need that can impact than projects.



This team will be mired in qb hell if they don't have some luck break their way in terms of available options, draft and the Eli decision post 2019. It's a really sketchy position to be in.


Not much different then Drew Brees this last season. He signed like a 1 year deal I believe. I could see that happen on 2020 as a last ditch thing if it doesn’t look good for drafting a top QB. We will probably have to move up in 2 years. I think we are better next year then this year.
I would love to see them draft Eric Dungey  
B in ALB : 12/16/2018 10:35 pm : link
in the fourth round to play the Taysum Hill role in an innovative offense. But that won't happen because Shurmur is what he is. And what he is, sucks the big white mint.

That's the extent to which I'd draft a QB this year.
Hard to pick just 3:  
Doomster : 12/16/2018 10:38 pm : link
RT
Edge rusher(2)
LBer
FS
C
SS
CB
RG
WR
TE that can block AND catch
QB

I put QB low on the list, because I don't think there is one out there next year....

Too many business decisions from Jenkins, and his play has fallen off...

Big decision has to be made on OV.....
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christian : 12/16/2018 10:54 pm : link
Plenty of QBs not taken in the top 10 are playing good ball. Having good weapons, a decent line and most importantly a stable front office and staff is the best indication of a QBs success in the NFl.

Plenty of the most physically talented QBs with all the measurables aren't consistent winners.
I agree with the OP.  
Red Dog : 12/16/2018 11:01 pm : link
Center, more 'backers, CB help, a big tall TE who is either an outstanding receiver or great blocker, and more OL depth would be next on the list. If they get lucky, maybe they can find a third day guy or two who can upgrade one of these other positions.

The QB comes in 2020.
RE: RE: B in Alb  
section125 : 12/16/2018 11:03 pm : link
In comment 14222265 B in ALB said:
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In comment 14222256 Marty866b said:


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I'd like to see a bit more of the quarterbacks coming out and how they throw and test at the combine before discounting them all. Don't forget, Mahomes was a very late riser.



I wouldn't spend a top 7 pick on any of the QBs coming out and I wouldn't draft for need at that position right now.

Give it a year and build your team from the inside out. This team needs to address their line play thru FA, trade and the draft.

They are abysmal up front on both sides.


This. The lines must be rebuilt and the oline is far worse than the dline.
You cannot force the QB pick to get one just because. Build an oline and chances of winning even with a marginal QB goes up.

The dline needs somebody that can get after the QB.
RT RT RT  
prdave73 : 12/16/2018 11:07 pm : link
Has anyone he learned by now how important an Offensive line is in the NFL?!! There shouldn't be a doubt. Free Safety next, LB's, then Edge Rusher.
1 - Quarterback  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/16/2018 11:27 pm : link
2 - Tackle: After Solder's performance this season, I wouldn't just say "right" tackle

3 - Defensive end: There's going to be a bunch of first round caliber 3-4 type ends available in this draft.
QB  
mdthedream : 12/16/2018 11:59 pm : link
unless somehow we can find the future QB some other way.
No qb's avail that are good  
micky : 12/17/2018 6:38 am : link
So
1. Edge rusher (great loaded draft)
2. Safety
3. OC
4. RT
5. Cb
My Picks  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 12/17/2018 6:56 am : link
1. OT
2. OC
3. LB/ER

The truth of the matter, however, is that we need a young, talented QB to succeed in this new version of the NFL. In order to acquire said QB, we very likely will need to be really bad next year. Top of the 1st Round QBs are not guaranteed to be successful -- and, yes, it is possible to land a Russell Wilson/Joe Montana in the third round but HIGHLY unlikely -- but most successful QBs in this league over the last twenty or thirty years were top of the first round picks.

How do we square that reality with the desire to succeed, or at least improve, next year? It is clear that we need significant upgrades on the OL first and foremost in order to take advantage of our one true weapon, Saquon (it's hard to consider OBJ a significant weapon when he misses so many games). We do need to improve the pass rush, but that issue strikes me as secondary to the OL. Finally, we need FS and SS who can tackle and cover. They don't have to be small LBs like Collins; they just need to be good open field tacklers.

This run-up to the draft will define DG's plan for this team -- a team that has not been competitive for far too many years. It will be fun to watch and discuss.
dep026...  
M.S. : 12/17/2018 6:58 am : link


...a real, meaningful and lasting re-build will not occur until we find Eli's replacement.

So, while we clearly need O-line help, Edge help, LB help, Secondary help, etc. your thread starter -- by excluding QB -- misses the forest for the trees IMO.
RE: dep026...  
section125 : 12/17/2018 7:11 am : link
In comment 14222548 M.S. said:
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...a real, meaningful and lasting re-build will not occur until we find Eli's replacement.

So, while we clearly need O-line help, Edge help, LB help, Secondary help, etc. your thread starter -- by excluding QB -- misses the forest for the trees IMO.


No, a rebuild will be complete when they get a QB. It starts with the lines. You can get the best QB in the draft and if that oline is not repaired that young QB will be one of the Carr brothers all over again. Build a solid oline and a mediocre QB will win - see Dak Prescott and Nick Foles as examples.
If the dline cannot stop runs or put pressure on with a 4 man rush, that new QB never gets on the field.

So the forest you can't see is the giants up front.
OL/DL  
Rong5611 : 12/17/2018 7:21 am : link
OL, DL, Need a QB to develop.
QB  
TD : 12/17/2018 7:26 am : link
Edge
RT
1. Starting QB  
Jimmy Googs : 12/17/2018 7:33 am : link
2. Backup QB
3. Practice Squad QB

time to start doing this changeover in volume...
RE: dep026...  
dep026 : 12/17/2018 7:47 am : link
In comment 14222548 M.S. said:
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...a real, meaningful and lasting re-build will not occur until we find Eli's replacement.

So, while we clearly need O-line help, Edge help, LB help, Secondary help, etc. your thread starter -- by excluding QB -- misses the forest for the trees IMO.


So what if the Giants aren’t enamored with the QBs this year?

Take one just cause? That makes absolutely no sense.
When did your OP contemplate  
Jimmy Googs : 12/17/2018 7:50 am : link
the position of upgrade doesn’t have any worthwhile players to draft?

Or do u want to start over with the question so you get the answer you’re looking for?
Cause I responded to his  
dep026 : 12/17/2018 7:52 am : link
Question. And being this is about the 2019 draft where the QBs are less than thrilling?
How do you know they won’t be any good?  
Jimmy Googs : 12/17/2018 7:57 am : link
Are we only going to draft a QB when the moon and stars and sun align...
RE: How do you know they won’t be any good?  
dep026 : 12/17/2018 8:03 am : link
In comment 14222610 Jimmy Googs said:
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Are we only going to draft a QB when the moon and stars and sun align...


I dont know if they will or wont be. I am jsut giving an opinion. But if the Giants brass do not think they are worth a 1st round selection - then they shouldnt force it either.
7  
idiotsavant : 12/17/2018 8:16 am : link
2 lbs (1 lb/DE type), 2 true free safeties, center, right O tackle, giant legit TE that does it all, an inline blocker.

If we've learned anything over the years it's that you cannot successfully draft the core and the lines if you use early picks on the skinny glamour positions.

Still working through the vapor of Jerry Reese
Unfortunately you'd be better off  
Jay in Toronto : 12/17/2018 8:19 am : link
asking what positions do we NOT need to draft.

This would argue for BPA/trading for picks
RE: Mine:  
Percy : 12/17/2018 9:46 am : link
In comment 14222346 Anakim said:
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1) Best Player Available
2) Best Player Available
3) Best Player Available

It's just about that simple. (Sigh.)
RE: RE: Mine:  
Anakim : 12/17/2018 9:57 am : link
In comment 14222893 Percy said:
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In comment 14222346 Anakim said:


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1) Best Player Available
2) Best Player Available
3) Best Player Available


It's just about that simple. (Sigh.)


I mean it's one thing to ask what our biggest needs are. It's another thing to ask who we should take in the Draft. I'm going to say best player available aloost every time
Draft wise  
jvm52106 : 12/17/2018 11:05 am : link
1)RT/LT-a player that can start out on Right side and move over to LT later on with experience.
2)Playmaker at LB or S
3)Tight End- EE is not a true TE and in today's NFL a guy who can block some and catch passes is needed. EE can't block and his receiving is hit or miss and Ellison has dropped off the radar completely.
BPA crowd  
AcesUp : 12/17/2018 11:22 am : link
One thing that needs mentioning is that it's a safe assumption that QB will never be the BPA at the time of our pick. Stud QB prospects without questions only come around once a decade and don't make it past the 1st pick. At some point they will need to be proactive in addressing that need.
Piggybacking  
AcesUp : 12/17/2018 11:23 am : link
The wait for Tua/Fromm crowd is operating under the assumption that they won't be dissected by scouts (they will) and that we will be in position to draft them (we probably won't).
RE: BPA crowd  
Anakim : 12/17/2018 11:25 am : link
In comment 14223173 AcesUp said:
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One thing that needs mentioning is that it's a safe assumption that QB will never be the BPA at the time of our pick. Stud QB prospects without questions only come around once a decade and don't make it past the 1st pick. At some point they will need to be proactive in addressing that need.


Yes, very true, which is why QBs often get "bumped up" due to positional value.
B, not a bad idea on Dungey,  
RollBlue : 12/17/2018 1:51 pm : link
but I think we can get him with a 6th, or one of our 7th rounders. Agree on Barkley as well - great talent, I think most knew that, but I still believe in two years we will be regretting that choice, unless a good one falls into our labs by then.
On another note, I see Andre Szmyt is only the ninth ever unanimous All American in SU Football history. My son won the kicking contest at Cuse fan fest back on 8/19 in Manley and kicked against him - said he didn't miss. I told him at them time that Hofrichter would be the starting kicker, but this kid came out of nowhere.
But you cant force a QB pick either  
dep026 : 12/17/2018 1:55 pm : link
especially in a draft loaded with defense.... and our defense being deplorable to begin with.
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