...I can only come up with one (very) lame excuse for the Giants unexpected performance.
Here it goes:
(1) The Titans owned the clock on the ground and so the offense could never get in a rhythm.
(2) In turn, the Giants offense had too many three-and-outs so the defense never got a blow, which compounded their inability to stop the Titans run game.
(3) It was a vicious cycle that turned ugly very fast.
As for Eli Manning, there are numerous tactical reasons/excuses for his poor performance yesterday, beginning with his receivers failing to hold on to a very wet, slippery ball.
But maybe there's no need to dissect Eli's performances anymore. He is not our future, and this team will not begin a proper re-build until his successor is found.
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How can anybody possibly think Eli is good enough to win games?
How can anyone expect any QB to win with our defense/OLine?
Two sides to every coin. Eli looked good in these wins because the whole team contributed. Expecting a QB to win games by himself is just foolish.
In those 3 games he had 8 TDs and 0 INTs. In the other 11 games he's played he has 10 TDs and 9 INTs. I don't even want to count the fumbles. If I had to guess I'd guess that in the other 11 games he has more turnovers then he does TDs.
How can anybody possibly think Eli is good enough to win games?
Soon you have your new QB.
Eli lit up the playoff bound and perhaps AFC devotee Texans. Eli led two fourth quarter TD drives in order to lose to Carolina. Eli did have the team come down and tie the Eagle game before the D shit the bed.
This is in addition to what you named. He is old, the team keeps losing so it is hard to defnend. But this idea that a younger or more mobile QB will solve this team's problems makes little sense to me.
Sure, it is time to move on, and again I think you only have two suffer two more Eli starts, but the idea he is toast I think is not true and even now he is not the main reason this team sucks.
I don’t think he has thrown the ball well this year at all. And his decision making isn’t great either and he’s (as usual) very turnover prone. He’s less than a month away from turning 38. He’s cooked. That being said, I fully expect him back next season.
Eli is 11th in the NFL in INT rate - so that dismisses your theory he is very turnover prone this year. Facts, lets stick with them please.
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I don’t think he has thrown the ball well this year at all. And his decision making isn’t great either and he’s (as usual) very turnover prone. He’s less than a month away from turning 38. He’s cooked. That being said, I fully expect him back next season.
Eli is 11th in the NFL in INT rate - so that dismisses your theory he is very turnover prone this year. Facts, lets stick with them please.
You breathe on him and he loses the ball. It’s more than just ints.
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I don’t think he has thrown the ball well this year at all. And his decision making isn’t great either and he’s (as usual) very turnover prone. He’s less than a month away from turning 38. He’s cooked. That being said, I fully expect him back next season.
Eli is 11th in the NFL in INT rate - so that dismisses your theory he is very turnover prone this year. Facts, lets stick with them please.
You breathe on him and he loses the ball. It’s more than just ints.
He’s fumbled 6 times only to be fortunate to have lost just 3. He has ball security issues roughly once a week.
Better QB play may well have won the game yesterday even with our line play. I love Eli, always will - it's time to move on the day after the season ends.
I'd also like to know how many defenses giving up over 200 yards rushing "played well"?
I'd also like to know how many defenses giving up over 200 yards rushing "played well"?
Especially in a game in a downpour where throwing deep wasnt an option.
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How can anybody possibly think Eli is good enough to win games?
How can anyone expect any QB to win with our defense/OLine?
Two sides to every coin. Eli looked good in these wins because the whole team contributed. Expecting a QB to win games by himself is just foolish.
I expect a guy making 22-23 million to perform decent in games. That's why he gets paid that much. He's supposed to elevate the team. You take out 3 games against 3 teams playing 2nd, 3rd & 4th string QBs and he has 10 TDs & 9 INTs in 11 games. With at least 2 fumbles.
Our defense isn't that bad and hasn't been all year. They've kept us in numerous games that Eli has thrown away. Jags, 2nd Eagles, Cowboys, 1st Redskins, Panthers losses are in large part due to Eli's horrible decisions and ball protection.
Eli played plenty well to win that game, and would have had it not been for a 63 yard FG and absolutely atrocious officiating.
Our defense isn't that bad and hasn't been all year. They've kept us in numerous games that Eli has thrown away. Jags, 2nd Eagles, Cowboys, 1st Redskins, Panthers losses are in large part due to Eli's horrible decisions and ball protection.
So you are crediting the defense when they play well against backup QBs, but dismissing Eli's play when he goes up against those same QBs? You see the irony in that dont you?
And let me ask you this...
How did he lose the Cowboys game? I see he got sacked 6 times and Barkley ran for 28 yards at a 2.5 YPC.
He lost the Jacksonville game because of a tipped INT?
He lost the Carolina game for an INT that led to 0 points - and he brought them to a lead by spearheading two TDs in the 4th including a go ahead TD in the final minute?
The 2nd Eagles game was Elis fault because of a 2nd quarter INT?
I am sorry, but this is just not a good look for Giants fans. We are literally MAKING SHIT UP to create a narrative.
Anytime a defense allows 17 points in today's NFL that means they played well. They allowed 301 yards and 17 points. Any DC in the NFL will take those numbers every single week.
If Eli didn't fumble at the Giants 10 the Titans would have only scored 10 points.
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How can anybody possibly think Eli is good enough to win games?
How can anyone expect any QB to win with our defense/OLine?
Two sides to every coin. Eli looked good in these wins because the whole team contributed. Expecting a QB to win games by himself is just foolish.
I expect a guy making 22-23 million to perform decent in games. That's why he gets paid that much. He's supposed to elevate the team. You take out 3 games against 3 teams playing 2nd, 3rd & 4th string QBs and he has 10 TDs & 9 INTs in 11 games. With at least 2 fumbles.
Our defense isn't that bad and hasn't been all year. They've kept us in numerous games that Eli has thrown away. Jags, 2nd Eagles, Cowboys, 1st Redskins, Panthers losses are in large part due to Eli's horrible decisions and ball protection.
Happy to see that BBI has blocked out the traumatic memories of Erik Flowers and Patrick Omameh.
I remember two backbreaking plays from the Jags game: Blake Bortles 50 yard run and somebody fumbling the punt return away after the defense made a stop at the end of the game. Eli was nowhere near the field on either of those.
Less than one. So if one bad play ends any chance we have of winning a game.... what the fuck does that tell you about the rest of the team? Holy shitballs.
You think any DC would take giving up 200+ yards rushing in a game? Really?
How fucking stupid does that sound? Any DC? Jesus Christ.
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Hmmm....
Anytime a defense allows 17 points in today's NFL that means they played well. They allowed 301 yards and 17 points. Any DC in the NFL will take those numbers every single week.
If Eli didn't fumble at the Giants 10 the Titans would have only scored 10 points.
Its hard to take these posts seriously.
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Hmmm....
Anytime a defense allows 17 points in today's NFL that means they played well. They allowed 301 yards and 17 points. Any DC in the NFL will take those numbers every single week.
If Eli didn't fumble at the Giants 10 the Titans would have only scored 10 points.
It was POURING RAIN yesterday for 4 quarters. You really think Mariota only threw for 86 yards on 21 attempts because the defense took away the pass? The defense gave up 200+ yards on the ground. 4.8 YPA. Over 45 rushes, that's awful. It's missed tackles. It's getting pushed off the line. It's short down and distance.
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Our defense isn't that bad and hasn't been all year. They've kept us in numerous games that Eli has thrown away. Jags, 2nd Eagles, Cowboys, 1st Redskins, Panthers losses are in large part due to Eli's horrible decisions and ball protection.
So you are crediting the defense when they play well against backup QBs, but dismissing Eli's play when he goes up against those same QBs? You see the irony in that dont you?
And let me ask you this...
How did he lose the Cowboys game? I see he got sacked 6 times and Barkley ran for 28 yards at a 2.5 YPC.
He lost the Jacksonville game because of a tipped INT?
He lost the Carolina game for an INT that led to 0 points - and he brought them to a lead by spearheading two TDs in the 4th including a go ahead TD in the final minute?
The 2nd Eagles game was Elis fault because of a 2nd quarter INT?
I am sorry, but this is just not a good look for Giants fans. We are literally MAKING SHIT UP to create a narrative.
Making shit up? I'm at work so I'm not gonna do the work for you, but maybe do your research. Numerous games this year where Eli has turnovers that have either led directly to points, took easy points off the board or our opponents starting in our territory.
Myles Jack pick 6.
DJ Swearinger red zone INT when Engram was wide open for a TD.
Taco Charlton fumble recovery at the Giants 27.
Jurrell Casey fumble recovery at the Giants 15.
Mike Adams red zone INT at the Panthers 14. Mike Adams INT in Giants territory.
Malcolm Jenkins INT took points off the board. Would have made it a 2 score game.
Obviously the defense isn't going to look good when the QB can't create points or sustain drives. The highest paid player better make the rest of the team better. He does not. Possibly makes them a lot worse. In 11 games he has 10 TDs and 12 turnovers. How can you justify that? That's fucking pathetic.
Less than one. So if one bad play ends any chance we have of winning a game.... what the fuck does that tell you about the rest of the team? Holy shitballs.
Which is skewed by 3 games against shit defenses. The ther 11 games is far more indicative of who Eli really is at this point in his career. 10 TDs and 12 turnovers.
Making shit up? I'm at work so I'm not gonna do the work for you, but maybe do your research. Numerous games this year where Eli has turnovers that have either led directly to points, took easy points off the board or our opponents starting in our territory.
Myles Jack pick 6.
DJ Swearinger red zone INT when Engram was wide open for a TD.
Taco Charlton fumble recovery at the Giants 27.
Jurrell Casey fumble recovery at the Giants 15.
Mike Adams red zone INT at the Panthers 14. Mike Adams INT in Giants territory.
Malcolm Jenkins INT took points off the board. Would have made it a 2 score game.
Obviously the defense isn't going to look good when the QB can't create points or sustain drives. The highest paid player better make the rest of the team better. He does not. Possibly makes them a lot worse. In 11 games he has 10 TDs and 12 turnovers. How can you justify that? That's fucking pathetic.
Again... Myles Jack was off a tip ball at the LOS. You want to blame a Qb for that? Go for it sparky.
And like I said....He is averaing LESS THAN 1 TURNOVER A GAME. Which believe it or not..... is one of the best in the NFL.
If turning the ball over LESS than ONCE PER GAME is the reason why we are losing and a bad team - than maybe the problem is more than the QB, dont you think?
Again... we have some really really shitty fans.
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eli is averaging less than 1 turnover a game this year.
Less than one. So if one bad play ends any chance we have of winning a game.... what the fuck does that tell you about the rest of the team? Holy shitballs.
Which is skewed by 3 games against shit defenses. The ther 11 games is far more indicative of who Eli really is at this point in his career. 10 TDs and 12 turnovers.
So if we take out 3 games... he barely averaging a turnover a game which is still one of the best in the league.
Keep preaching false narratives!!!!
I mean I love how we disregard games cause it doesnt support a narrative....lol
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Anytime a defense allows 17 points in today's NFL that means they played well. They allowed 301 yards and 17 points. Any DC in the NFL will take those numbers every single week.
You think any DC would take giving up 200+ yards rushing in a game? Really?
How fucking stupid does that sound? Any DC? Jesus Christ.
You really think a DC is going to be mad about giving up 17 points and 301 yards a game? Who cares how it was gained? Makes no fucking difference.
You really think a DC is going to be mad about giving up 17 points and 301 yards a game? Who cares how it was gained? Makes no fucking difference.
Lets look at other stats:
No turnovers
1 sacks
TOP: 35:21
22 first downs
YPC: 5.2
Lets be generous and say 25 missed tackles
What DC is signing up for that?
Like I said those other 11 games have been far more indicative of who Eli is as a QB. In those games he's averaging 0.90 TDs and 1.09 turnover.
Either way both are fucking terrible.
Like I said those other 11 games have been far more indicative of who Eli is as a QB. In those games he's averaging 0.90 TDs and 1.09 turnover.
Either way both are fucking terrible.
Are you not factoring team play or is this an individual thing? Because with the emergence of Saquan. And with little talent on Offense and Defense... I dont find it surprising.
It is like you are being purposely obtuse.
Giving up 200+ yards on the ground means that you have lost the TOP battle, and are getting dominated on the line. Of course a DC cares about that.
Are you really using the total points and yardage totals in a game played in terrible weather conditions and saying any DC would take that type of result?
Jesus Christ - it is fucking laughable.
Sterling Shepard & Evan Engram are very talented players who are getting held back by a bad QB.
The Giants have changed GMs, HCs, OCs, players and basically everything else over the last 7 years. There's been one consistent in that time. Maybe it's time to start blaming him? Any other team would have done it a long time ago.
Sterling Shepard & Evan Engram are very talented players who are getting held back by a bad QB.
Barkley is great - I agree.
Odell is great - I agree. So when he misses time, you do agree it hurts a QB, right?
SS and EE are talented players? LOL. Ok. So their failure to catch passes and be impact players is Eli's fault.... even though guys like Fowler and Coleman and R Shepard are actually making plays on a limited basis with the same QBs.
LOL, your act here is as bad as it was on BBH. So its Elis fault Shepard dropped 5 passes and that Engram hasnt lived up to his draft status.
It gets better and better here at BBI.
If your 23 million dollar QB needs everything to be perfect to succeed he shouldn't be your 23 million dollar QB. It's as simple as that.
If your 23 million dollar QB needs everything to be perfect to succeed he shouldn't be your 23 million dollar QB. It's as simple as that.
Absolutely ridiculous. He needs everything perfect? Such a lame argument. How about we have average production from the OL? How about our number 1 WR yesterday doesnt drop FIVE balls. How about a run game than averages more than 2.5 YPC.
Eli played poorly yesterday with below average talent on the field in horrible weather conditions. Sometimes its better to leave it at that than make up narratives or stupid sayings...
You keep coming up with excuses for him. So obviously you think everything needs to be perfect. That's not how it should be when you are paying a guy 23 million dollars. If the top WR goes out you step up and make other guys better. If the run game is slacking you step up and make other guys better. Eli doesn't do that anymore. Hasn't in a long time.
Never once said that. Keep making up shit. You have done it all morning.
You keep coming up with excuses for him. So obviously you think everything needs to be perfect. That's not how it should be when you are paying a guy 23 million dollars. If the top WR goes out you step up and make other guys better. If the run game is slacking you step up and make other guys better. Eli doesn't do that anymore. Hasn't in a long time.
Last season? Oh yeah, I forgot Eli was suppose to make Travis Rudolph, Hunter Shart, and some guy named Bundy into starting caliber players....lol
What excuses am I making? That we need a better OL. Is that really an excuse or reality? That SS needs to catch the damn ball? I mean someone brought up a great point. Whens the last time we remember SS for making a big play rather than a big drop?
Reality, come join us if you want.
Made up shit? Like you trying to call me out for my "act" being the same as it is in BBH? Something I've never even heard of.
I seen him make plenty of big plays. However they were mostly acting like a db to stop an interception.
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that's Eli to a tee. There's no middle ground with him, he's either great or awful. In the past, the great has outweighed the awful... the tables have turned.
Has he really been great this year? His 3 best games came against teams decimated with injury who had backup or 3rd string QBs starting.
Actually his best game was against the Texans, yes?
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that's Eli to a tee. There's no middle ground with him, he's either great or awful. In the past, the great has outweighed the awful... the tables have turned.
Has he really been great this year? His 3 best games came against teams decimated with injury who had backup or 3rd string QBs starting.
Actually his best game was against the Texans, yes?
Yeah for sure. Slipped my mind.
So in the last two years he's played 2 good games against teams over 500.
If Eli wins the next two and looks good doing it, I think he will be back. If he plays like he did yesterday, they will move on
We lost the game because the defense wasn't able to pitch a shutout for Eli, despite only gave up 17 points at home, and Eli was a victim of bad weather.
And from my side of the aisle:
The defense did hold the Titans to 17 points, despite big chunks of yardage on the ground, but Eli wasn't able to make enough plays to score ANY points at HOME.
We lost the game because the defense wasn't able to pitch a shutout for Eli, despite only gave up 17 points at home, and Eli was a victim of bad weather.
And from my side of the aisle:
The defense did hold the Titans to 17 points, despite big chunks of yardage on the ground, but Eli wasn't able to make enough plays to score ANY points at HOME.
Or you can say everyone who wore blue yesterday played like shit and no one would disagree.
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The Bucs had their backup starting. The 49ers had their 3rd stringer. The Skins had their 3rd and 4th stringer. The Bucs & Skins were missing a lot of starters on Defense.
In those 3 games he had 8 TDs and 0 INTs. In the other 11 games he's played he has 10 TDs and 9 INTs. I don't even want to count the fumbles. If I had to guess I'd guess that in the other 11 games he has more turnovers then he does TDs.
How can anybody possibly think Eli is good enough to win games?
Soon you have your new QB.
Eli lit up the playoff bound and perhaps AFC devotee Texans. Eli led two fourth quarter TD drives in order to lose to Carolina. Eli did have the team come down and tie the Eagle game before the D shit the bed.
This is in addition to what you named. He is old, the team keeps losing so it is hard to defnend. But this idea that a younger or more mobile QB will solve this team's problems makes little sense to me.
Sure, it is time to move on, and again I think you only have two suffer two more Eli starts, but the idea he is toast I think is not true and even now he is not the main reason this team sucks.