Responded to Shurmur not mentioning Eli by name in post game press conference in regards to what was wrong with the offense yesterday. Said the coach is walking around the real issue of what's wrong with the team because his predecessor didn't fare too well when he tried to address it.
No worries, they will need a new shtick and everyone else will no longer have to be bothered by Eli. Two more games and he will be gone.
Honestly, in some ways it will be a relief. Will he retire? I hope he gets a shot somewhere else to help keep my interest in the NFL since the Giants are likely to be bad for a long time. Also would like to see some more evidence if he is cooked or not. Personally, I lean can still get it done but it is a hard sell when all you do is lose.
Usual crappy post
It seems nobody, not the fans nor the organization, have the guts the face reality and see this for what it is. We keep overrating where we are and what needs to be done. Scared of the truth thats right there in front of us. More excuses than wins has become the norm.
Do people watch other games whatsoever? lol
Not surprising.
the question was "Should Eli QB the Giants in 2019"
Simms was asked to answer and he said absolutely. There isn't a better on-roster option, no better free agent additions and the draft circumstances don't show a viable option. In fact Phil went on, he could see 2020 Eli being the best choice for QB.
Boomer vehemently disagreed and said he'd cut Eli, draft a rookie QB, and sign a "mid-level free agent" because of the money they're paying Eli.
Simms suggested a restructure.
not sue if it was me, but seemed like legit vitriol between the two, at least on this topic.
Eli ended up with some awfull plays but it was a total shit show by the offense. The only reasin we ran for positive yardage is cause Saquon made multiple guys miss on 2-3 yard runs.
Not surprising.
BBI has become what the standard NFL fan has become. Very little knowledge of the game, listen to talking heads who dont watch the game (shit.... Stephen A. Smith knows more about the SD-KC match up than our own fans know about the game.)
When a loss occurs, everyone blames one person. Because its the easy thing to do. Did Eli play well yesterday? Of course not. He didnt hold the team back though because it could easily be argued that Shepard was worse. Wheeler was god awful. Pulley was pathetic. The DL was dominated. STs were awful...
Are you seeing the pattern Eli blamers?????/
The whole team sucked balls yesterday. We are diluted on talent.
Simms looked pissed didn't he?
Was I reading too much into that?
Quote:
back to ripping Eli just like BBI is back to ripping him.
Not surprising.
BBI has become what the standard NFL fan has become. Very little knowledge of the game, listen to talking heads who dont watch the game (shit.... Stephen A. Smith knows more about the SD-KC match up than our own fans know about the game.)
When a loss occurs, everyone blames one person. Because its the easy thing to do. Did Eli play well yesterday? Of course not. He didnt hold the team back though because it could easily be argued that Shepard was worse. Wheeler was god awful. Pulley was pathetic. The DL was dominated. STs were awful...
Are you seeing the pattern Eli blamers?????/
The whole team sucked balls yesterday. We are diluted on talent.
Or, we simply had a shitty game
But the talent level on this team, especialyl up front and in the trenches is not a playoff caliber level like. Thats a huge problem.
the question was "Should Eli QB the Giants in 2019"
Simms was asked to answer and he said absolutely. There isn't a better on-roster option, no better free agent additions and the draft circumstances don't show a viable option. In fact Phil went on, he could see 2020 Eli being the best choice for QB.
Boomer vehemently disagreed and said he'd cut Eli, draft a rookie QB, and sign a "mid-level free agent" because of the money they're paying Eli.
Simms suggested a restructure.
not sue if it was me, but seemed like legit vitriol between the two, at least on this topic.
Boomer is jealous of Eli. It's as simple as that.
That being said, I'm not even sure a restructure is necessary. Eli is making about what a middle of the road QB makes these days. And yeah, barring things really getting bad, I think Eli is obviously the starter next year and has a good shot at being the starter at least entering 2020.
Eli did not play well yesterday at all, no way getting around it. But this team has much bigger problems than Eli's inconsistency.
I'd love to replace Eli with a young franchise QB but we screwed the pooch on that one and it doesn't look like one will be available anytime soon.
Quote:
back to ripping Eli just like BBI is back to ripping him.
Not surprising.
BBI has become what the standard NFL fan has become. Very little knowledge of the game, listen to talking heads who dont watch the game (shit.... Stephen A. Smith knows more about the SD-KC match up than our own fans know about the game.)
When a loss occurs, everyone blames one person. Because its the easy thing to do. Did Eli play well yesterday? Of course not. He didnt hold the team back though because it could easily be argued that Shepard was worse. Wheeler was god awful. Pulley was pathetic. The DL was dominated. STs were awful...
Are you seeing the pattern Eli blamers?????/
The whole team sucked balls yesterday. We are diluted on talent.
When you're getting soundly whupped across the board in both trenches, nothing is gonna work.
Henry was an absolute monster. He was helped by the Titans OL pushing the Giants front seven around like shopping carts. However, he looked like Brandon Jacobs with the ability to cut.
Quote:
shows or get caught up in the bullshit, and I don't know if it was staged or what but Boomer and Simms seemed to be legit going it at about Eli.
the question was "Should Eli QB the Giants in 2019"
Simms was asked to answer and he said absolutely. There isn't a better on-roster option, no better free agent additions and the draft circumstances don't show a viable option. In fact Phil went on, he could see 2020 Eli being the best choice for QB.
Boomer vehemently disagreed and said he'd cut Eli, draft a rookie QB, and sign a "mid-level free agent" because of the money they're paying Eli.
Simms suggested a restructure.
not sue if it was me, but seemed like legit vitriol between the two, at least on this topic.
Boomer is jealous of Eli. It's as simple as that.
That being said, I'm not even sure a restructure is necessary. Eli is making about what a middle of the road QB makes these days. And yeah, barring things really getting bad, I think Eli is obviously the starter next year and has a good shot at being the starter at least entering 2020.
Eli did not play well yesterday at all, no way getting around it. But this team has much bigger problems than Eli's inconsistency.
I'd love to replace Eli with a young franchise QB but we screwed the pooch on that one and it doesn't look like one will be available anytime soon.
Eli's cap hit for 2019 is $23M which is 10th in the league and his final year under contract. Simms said restructure, but you can't restructure a contract with only one year on it, so the Giants would need to extend Eli to 2020 (in Simms plan) and ideally at a low salary, and restructure 2019 so maybe it's a $15M cap hit in 2019 and 2020).
It came down to the fact that Henry and the OL outplayed us and they were able to stop Barkley. Basically they won the trenches, yet people will show up gleefully on Monday to point out that Eli is done and the team would be fine if he just were gone.
BBI has become what the standard NFL fan has become. Very little knowledge of the game, listen to talking heads who dont watch the game (shit.... Stephen A. Smith knows more about the SD-KC match up than our own fans know about the game.)
When a loss occurs, everyone blames one person. Because its the easy thing to do. Did Eli play well yesterday? Of course not. He didnt hold the team back though because it could easily be argued that Shepard was worse. Wheeler was god awful. Pulley was pathetic. The DL was dominated. STs were awful...
Are you seeing the pattern Eli blamers?????/
The whole team sucked balls yesterday. We are diluted on talent.
I'm not an "Eli-blamer", but Eli flat out sucked yesterday. The fact that others did too doesn't change that fact. A good NFL QB can pick his team up when they are playing poorly. Eli can't do that any longer.
Eli is a glorified game manager at this point in his career, which is hardly surprising given his age, and the beatings he's taken behind subpar offensive lines. But he is shell shocked, is painfully slow, and has no mobility. His arm strength also looks like it's declining, and there are too many instances where he doesn't see the whole field. He's still capable of terrific throws and games, but is reaching the end.
As for 2019, I wanted him gone at 1-7, but now agree that he's likely the least bad option for 2019. But we need to draft his successor in 2019 or 2020.
It's madness.
Quote:
BBI has become what the standard NFL fan has become. Very little knowledge of the game, listen to talking heads who dont watch the game (shit.... Stephen A. Smith knows more about the SD-KC match up than our own fans know about the game.)
When a loss occurs, everyone blames one person. Because its the easy thing to do. Did Eli play well yesterday? Of course not. He didnt hold the team back though because it could easily be argued that Shepard was worse. Wheeler was god awful. Pulley was pathetic. The DL was dominated. STs were awful...
Are you seeing the pattern Eli blamers?????/
The whole team sucked balls yesterday. We are diluted on talent.
I'm not an "Eli-blamer", but Eli flat out sucked yesterday. The fact that others did too doesn't change that fact. A good NFL QB can pick his team up when they are playing poorly. Eli can't do that any longer.
No question Eli isnt the guy from 2011, but seriously look around the league and see how lousy other solid QBs did in DRY WEATHER
I actually thought that too often Jacobs played small. Like he went down too easily too often. Yes, there are some of those highlight clips where he runs a guy over... but also just as many where he did not assert himself.
[quote] In comment 14222660 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
shows or get caught up in the bullshit, and I don't know if it was staged or what but Boomer and Simms seemed to be legit going it at about Eli.
the question was "Should Eli QB the Giants in 2019"
Simms was asked to answer and he said absolutely. There isn't a better on-roster option, no better free agent additions and the draft circumstances don't show a viable option. In fact Phil went on, he could see 2020 Eli being the best choice for QB.
Boomer vehemently disagreed and said he'd cut Eli, draft a rookie QB, and sign a "mid-level free agent" because of the money they're paying Eli.
Simms suggested a restructure.
not sue if it was me, but seemed like legit vitriol between the two, at least on this topic.
Boomer is jealous of Eli. It's as simple as that.
That being said, I'm not even sure a restructure is necessary. Eli is making about what a middle of the road QB makes these days. And yeah, barring things really getting bad, I think Eli is obviously the starter next year and has a good shot at being the starter at least entering 2020.
Eli did not play well yesterday at all, no way getting around it. But this team has much bigger problems than Eli's inconsistency.
I'd love to replace Eli with a young franchise QB but we screwed the pooch on that one and it doesn't look like one will be available anytime soon. [/quote
Totally agree on Boomer being jealous of Eli. It kills him that Eli has two rings and he got there once and came up small. Bart Scott is another one who takes every opportunity to rip Eli out of jealousy. Two has beens who never won the big one hosting crappy shows with failing ratings trying to get ratings and soothe their hurt egos by blasting Eli.
It's madness.
12/20, 80 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's.
Quote:
shows or get caught up in the bullshit, and I don't know if it was staged or what but Boomer and Simms seemed to be legit going it at about Eli.
the question was "Should Eli QB the Giants in 2019"
Simms was asked to answer and he said absolutely. There isn't a better on-roster option, no better free agent additions and the draft circumstances don't show a viable option. In fact Phil went on, he could see 2020 Eli being the best choice for QB.
Boomer vehemently disagreed and said he'd cut Eli, draft a rookie QB, and sign a "mid-level free agent" because of the money they're paying Eli.
Simms suggested a restructure.
not sue if it was me, but seemed like legit vitriol between the two, at least on this topic.
Boomer is jealous of Eli. It's as simple as that.
That being said, I'm not even sure a restructure is necessary. Eli is making about what a middle of the road QB makes these days. And yeah, barring things really getting bad, I think Eli is obviously the starter next year and has a good shot at being the starter at least entering 2020.
Eli did not play well yesterday at all, no way getting around it. But this team has much bigger problems than Eli's inconsistency.
I'd love to replace Eli with a young franchise QB but we screwed the pooch on that one and it doesn't look like one will be available anytime soon.
2020
2021
Big years for QBs in the draft. Be prepared to have to trade up.
I almost want Eli to go so when the team is still garbage I can see who the blame goes to. Likely it will still be Eli even if he is sitting in an armchair on Sundays or in another uniform
They dominated line play on both sides of the ball. Eli stepped up when he needed to but defenders were in his face all game long.
There's no need to get all jacked up about it...It's not as if the Giants could have won the game yesterday, barring Tennessee not showing up.
But Eli was dreadful yesterday. Absolutely dreadful.
It reminded me of the Gilbride Redskins game in 07 when it was pouring and we threw the ball all over the place against a tough D. We were rolling at that point, hit a rainy day, and nothing went right.
I dont remember who posted this comment about Eli a while back, but I think it s true.
Paraphrasing because I dont remember:
Older quarterbacks, good ones like Eli, will still be able to remind you of their greatness throughput the course of a season. I t s not like they totally forget how to play. They do enough to allow you to believe if we can jus get better around him.
But their ability on a consistent basis is just not there anymore. ......
Me, I see flashes of the old Eli when things are clicking. But I also see how overwhelmed he sometimes is by the athleticism around him as the pocket collapses
Eli has never been good at extending plays, but he almos always hung in there right up to getting hit making big plays. I dont see this anymore, I see the opposite
I m am not an Eli hater, nor a fanboy. I am a Giants fan first and want what s best for the team.
I dont know what that means for the quarterback position going forward but we ll see
This is about as childish a post as possible. Kudos.
Quote:
BBI has become what the standard NFL fan has become. Very little knowledge of the game, listen to talking heads who dont watch the game (shit.... Stephen A. Smith knows more about the SD-KC match up than our own fans know about the game.)
When a loss occurs, everyone blames one person. Because its the easy thing to do. Did Eli play well yesterday? Of course not. He didnt hold the team back though because it could easily be argued that Shepard was worse. Wheeler was god awful. Pulley was pathetic. The DL was dominated. STs were awful...
Are you seeing the pattern Eli blamers?????/
The whole team sucked balls yesterday. We are diluted on talent.
I'm not an "Eli-blamer", but Eli flat out sucked yesterday. The fact that others did too doesn't change that fact. A good NFL QB can pick his team up when they are playing poorly. Eli can't do that any longer.
This is the epitome of the absurdity of some posters on this board and truly shows the lack of knowledge. Is Eli supposed to block for the running game? Catch the ball for the wide receivers and tight ends? How about tackling the opposing team's running back?
The running game was not doing anything thanks to the ineffectiveness of the offensive line. Players were dropping the ball in their hands. The titans were dominating us on both sides of the ball in the trenches, but Eli is supposed to pick the team up? Absolutely ridiculous
Smh
If that isn't obvious then I don't know what to tell you.
Norman wasn't able to beat the best QB that played in his generation, but Eli beat the best QB in his generation.
Twice. That's what it comes down to guys.
Is Eli at the end of the road, absolutely. Is there a better option, no! Its not Elis fault, the front office is to blame. Sims is correct when he says there is no other option, a restructured contract may be the way to go. Did we have a running game yesterday? Did we have a defense show up yesterday? Did we have an Offensive Libe that played well yesterday? Did we have a QB that couldve lifted us above those deficiencies? The answer to the last question is no and there wasnt any QB that couldve helped us yesterday the way the WHOLE team played!
Flame on!!
Quote:
back to ripping Eli just like BBI is back to ripping him.
Not surprising.
BBI has become what the standard NFL fan has become. Very little knowledge of the game, listen to talking heads who dont watch the game (shit.... Stephen A. Smith knows more about the SD-KC match up than our own fans know about the game.)
When a loss occurs, everyone blames one person. Because its the easy thing to do. Did Eli play well yesterday? Of course not. He didnt hold the team back though because it could easily be argued that Shepard was worse. Wheeler was god awful. Pulley was pathetic. The DL was dominated. STs were awful...
Are you seeing the pattern Eli blamers?????/
The whole team sucked balls yesterday. We are diluted on talent.
Any of those other blame-worthy targets pushing 38 years old and occupying $23MM of cap space?
Are you seeing the pattern Eli apologists?????/
It reminded me of the Gilbride Redskins game in 07 when it was pouring and we threw the ball all over the place against a tough D. We were rolling at that point, hit a rainy day, and nothing went right.
You're absolutely correct here. But at the same time, in a 7-0 (one score) game, Eli's two turnovers were just putrid. We were fortunate to escape the first but the second did us in. The team sucked. And Eli is a huge part of the team. His haters want to blame everything on him; his strongest advocates never want to blame him for anything.
The OL sucked yesterday. The receivers sucked. But the QB also sucked.
That's brutally true. It is the narrow-minded posts/threads that try to blame a single entity after a loss to tie it in a neat little bow, as if we just improve or eliminate that single cause, then the team is magically better.
And we've seen the song and dance before where that entity is almost always Eli.
Like I said earlier, we even have a thread talking about how good Mariota played and how we fared after finally facing a real starting QB.
Any of those other blame-worthy targets pushing 38 years old and occupying $23MM of cap space?
Are you seeing the pattern Eli apologists?????/
I see a pattern. One you have been riding since BBWC.
Get rid of the QB and all will be well!!!!
Eli's cap hit has NOTHING to do with the diluted talent on this team. If you depend on free agency to win games - you will never win.
I remember when the Skins won the offseason with all their Free agents. Meant shit regular season.
I know the league is moving in the opposite direction, but I still think a good defense and running game can take you far in this league. That said, at some point, the Titans won't be able to overcome their QB in the playoffs.
I know the league is moving in the opposite direction, but I still think a good defense and running game can take you far in this league. That said, at some point, the Titans won't be able to overcome their QB in the playoffs.
Signing Mariota to a long term deal will end their run as a good team. He simply isnt very good.
Are you seeing the pattern Eli apologists?????/
Youre wasting your time. Now that the several week long circle jerk is over and he turned back into a pumpkin, well be back to the salary doesnt matter, he doesnt make that much, and youll only save a little bit by moving on. Once that doesnt go well, it will shift to Im OK if they move on but Im just telling you they arent going to youre a dumb-dumb if you think they are going to, Im not talking about what they should do, Im talking about what they will do. All while defending him from every criticism.
Repeat repeat call people names repeat.
Quote:
Any of those other blame-worthy targets pushing 38 years old and occupying $23MM of cap space?
Are you seeing the pattern Eli apologists?????/
Youre wasting your time. Now that the several week long circle jerk is over and he turned back into a pumpkin, well be back to the salary doesnt matter, he doesnt make that much, and youll only save a little bit by moving on. Once that doesnt go well, it will shift to Im OK if they move on but Im just telling you they arent going to youre a dumb-dumb if you think they are going to, Im not talking about what they should do, Im talking about what they will do. All while defending him from every criticism.
Repeat repeat call people names repeat.
lol....
Sorry if your feelings got hurt.
What schtick? Being right?
Sorry, guess I should engage in more fantasy discussion like cutting Eli outright, trading him, or forcing him to take a paycut just because.
He has been more right than most posters on this board. But its funny he gets called out but other posters who do nothing but shit and live to shit on players get passes.
Its like some posters feel the need to openly mock the fans who are actually rooting for the players todo well. Its just an odd phenomenon here.
wear it proudly, but nobody is impressed.
wear it proudly, but nobody is impressed.
You don't think I want the team to win? You think I enjoy losing just to keep seeing Eli Manning play?
The problem is so much bigger than Eli Manning, but some of you have such laser focus on him that it clouds the rest of the picture. Cut him. I don't care. I'm as ready for the future as the next poster. In fact, I've seen the future. It's Saquon. Regardless whether it's for Saquon or the next QB, they need continue building the line. The defense needs to be addressed. They can't stop the run or rush the passer.
In the meantime, Eli will be here for a myriad of reasons. Mainly financial and lack of replacement available in the meantime.
But if it makes you feel emotionally better to come up with fantasy scenarios where we cut or trade them, by all means placate yourself.
bigbluehoya : 9:57 am : link : reply
for a long time? the team being really bad for a long time.
wear it proudly, but nobody is impressed.
Is the insinuation that if you just had a different QB the team would be better?
Or is it just classic frustration that instead of understanding the problems are multi-faceted that trying to pigeon-hole it to one player is convenient?
A different QB may mask some problems and highlight others, but it certainly isn't just magically making us competitive.
Wearing the idea that it does proudly isn't impressing anyone either
It's quite literally, other than ownership, the only ingredient that hasn't been changed. Every single other input has had its bloodletting.
Remember -- don't actually argue that point -- but tell me how it's a "fantasy scenario" to suggest that the player should be cut.
It's idiotic dumping on Eli Manning. Manning is a legendary QB in NY plain and simple. His accomplishments should earn him more respect especially from somebody like Boomer who wishes he had a career like Eli
Quote:
you know what has corresponded with 'being right'
bigbluehoya : 9:57 am : link : reply
for a long time? the team being really bad for a long time.
wear it proudly, but nobody is impressed.
Is the insinuation that if you just had a different QB the team would be better?
Or is it just classic frustration that instead of understanding the problems are multi-faceted that trying to pigeon-hole it to one player is convenient?
A different QB may mask some problems and highlight others, but it certainly isn't just magically making us competitive.
Wearing the idea that it does proudly isn't impressing anyone either
What does it mean? Britt pounds his chest daily around here about how well he has predicted NYG's moves for the last bunch of years.
And the Giants have sucked. So I don't know what value being a good guesser about their horrible management has.
Get it now?
It's quite literally, other than ownership, the only ingredient that hasn't been changed. Every single other input has had its bloodletting.
Remember -- don't actually argue that point -- but tell me how it's a "fantasy scenario" to suggest that the player should be cut.
The Qb is the only thing that hasnt changed?
Just because players changed, doesnt mean the units are better. The OL has sucked for nearly a decade now. The defense outside of 2016 hasnt been good either.
So you are saying switching the QB is the answer cause the others one havent been either.
Britt being right has had no bearing on the performance of the team. Being right is simply being right.
Its like they didnt see our OL and DL look like JV units out there yesterday or for much of the year.
People used to speculate that he was better, that Carton was dragging Boomer down, but he's just a shitty analyst with an agenda regardless.
It's quite literally, other than ownership, the only ingredient that hasn't been changed. Every single other input has had its bloodletting.
Remember -- don't actually argue that point -- but tell me how it's a "fantasy scenario" to suggest that the player should be cut.
Because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, based on the options available.
Manning is making 23 million next year, in the FINAL year (big money year) of his contract. The way QB contracts have evolved since that deal was written, 23 million is not even first year money (Dak is seeking 28 million per year, just as a reference point).
Now that that's out of the way, you want to draft his replacement, right? That's where this is going. So you have five years of cost controlled QB play before the above mentioned second contract of ridiculous money.
Now, here's why you trot Eli out there next year:
1. You need a veteran QB on the roster if you are drafting a rookie.
2. Even signing journeymen QB's costs a good amount of money. Eli would leave 6 million or so in dead money, so you have to add that to whatever said journeyman costs, let's say we can sign one for 10 million just to throw a cheap option out there. So you have that 10 million, PLUS Eli's 6 million in dead money tied up in the postion. Is the savings of 7 million really worth the drop off from Eli Manning to say Sam Bradford, or Tyrod Taylor?
Also the cap is going up another 10 million next year. Compared to what other teams have alloted for and invested in the QB position, 23 million, believe it or not, isn't actually that bad.
3. Let's go back to having a cost controlled rookie QB for five years. The team, and especially the O-line are a work in progress. Why not throw Eli out there another year while they continue to build the line, get the rest of the roster in order, and then you either have rookie next year to come in late in the season when things have solidified, OR, you let Eli play out his contract, extend him one year to get his salary down and just push off that placeholder position a little further if you're drafting a QB in 2020, and you still have an all around better situation for the new young QB when he comes in, vs. the sh-t show he'd be exposed to right now?
Having an all around better roster will maximize those five years of your cost controlled rookie, rather than waste not only his development, but also his five years wasting away with a poor roster. Fix the roster. Period.
You need a succession plan. That would be a logical and reasonable one for the reasons I've outlined.
Not even Elis staunchest supporters, those who invade BBI after every loss to explain all the reasons why Eli is a victim of circumstance, can admit with a straight face this team can win a SB with Eli anymore. It would take a massive talent upgrade and overhaul, and praying for miracle #3.
At best, with Eli we are a 9-10 win team, with Eli stats of 25 TDs, 16 INTs, 64% completion, 7 fumbles, and a 88 rating.
Look familiar? The definition of insanity on fully display at Jints Central - doing the same, damn stupid thing year after year after year hoping for a different result.
Jints Central. There is no substitute.
Like Jerrah's World or Napolean Dan's Kingdom.
Jints Central - the dysfunctional organization that only has a SB win in every decade since the end of the 70's,
Let the season play out and look and his body of work as a whole, and that goes for the whole offense too. There are 11 players out there not just one.
Neither is Simms when talking about the Giants
QB situation. I think Simms has empathy for Eli,
based on the fact he was released at the end of his career.
Quote:
release a late-30s quarterback making $20M who has lead the team to a ridiculously-lower-than-.500 record for the past 6 seasons?
It's quite literally, other than ownership, the only ingredient that hasn't been changed. Every single other input has had its bloodletting.
Remember -- don't actually argue that point -- but tell me how it's a "fantasy scenario" to suggest that the player should be cut.
Because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, based on the options available.
Manning is making 23 million next year, in the FINAL year (big money year) of his contract. The way QB contracts have evolved since that deal was written, 23 million is not even first year money (Dak is seeking 28 million per year, just as a reference point).
Now that that's out of the way, you want to draft his replacement, right? That's where this is going. So you have five years of cost controlled QB play before the above mentioned second contract of ridiculous money.
Now, here's why you trot Eli out there next year:
1. You need a veteran QB on the roster if you are drafting a rookie.
2. Even signing journeymen QB's costs a good amount of money. Eli would leave 6 million or so in dead money, so you have to add that to whatever said journeyman costs, let's say we can sign one for 10 million just to throw a cheap option out there. So you have that 10 million, PLUS Eli's 6 million in dead money tied up in the postion. Is the savings of 7 million really worth the drop off from Eli Manning to say Sam Bradford, or Tyrod Taylor?
Also the cap is going up another 10 million next year. Compared to what other teams have alloted for and invested in the QB position, 23 million, believe it or not, isn't actually that bad.
3. Let's go back to having a cost controlled rookie QB for five years. The team, and especially the O-line are a work in progress. Why not throw Eli out there another year while they continue to build the line, get the rest of the roster in order, and then you either have rookie next year to come in late in the season when things have solidified, OR, you let Eli play out his contract, extend him one year to get his salary down and just push off that placeholder position a little further if you're drafting a QB in 2020, and you still have an all around better situation for the new young QB when he comes in, vs. the sh-t show he'd be exposed to right now?
Having an all around better roster will maximize those five years of your cost controlled rookie, rather than waste not only his development, but also his five years wasting away with a poor roster. Fix the roster. Period.
You need a succession plan. That would be a logical and reasonable one for the reasons I've outlined.
you have a logical basis in what you suggest, no doubt. but step back here.
You've said that wanting to release Eli and move on is a crazy/fantasy/bad viewpoint.
But extending him now, beyond next season, sight unseen is a reasonable approach?
Think about that.
Stuff like that is why you get a lot of shit here. And that's not to say that your opinion is the entirely crazy one (I happen to hate the idea, but I see your thinking).
If they have a new QB, I will root for him and the Giants.
I'm accused of being emotional. But as you've just admitted, what I've posted is completely logical with a clear thought process.
If they cut Eli I will be fine with it, he's had a great run, but for the reasons I outlined don't think it's the best move.
But I will not root against the team or the player that replaces him simply because they went against my wishes. I will root like hell for the team.
The team that they root for, they are openly wanting to fail.
That's what I find to be the overly emotional and irrational take.
The second the Pats had one of those bad losses, the 'Is Brady Done' articles started creeping up. And they're a team that has had a lot more success, and they're currently playoff bound. If the Pats were in the same situation we're in, the media would be on Brady like white on rice.
They have plenty of information available to them to evaluate both Eli, and vs. anybody that they would sign to replace him, and make a decision.
The team that they root for, they are openly wanting to fail.
That's what I find to be the overly emotional and irrational take.
Probably because the current GM used the one good game "the eagles game", as enough evidence that they should keep moving forward with Eli.
We are scared that another "good game" prolongs the inevitable and ultimately sets the franchise back
Yes, big debate in New England about Brady. Not quite as vitriol-filled as Eli and the Giants because the Patriots are going to the playoffs and a good chance at winning the super bowl, but nonetheless the debate rages on
I think there has been ample criticism on Brady this year. He's admitted he's been off. And there has been this "Brady Watch" going on since three years ago that he's nearing the cliff.
But like you said, he's a completely different player. The guy has been to 3 of the last 4 SBs, and won 2. And coming off an MVP season. So there is a ton of equity built in.
Eli is on empty.
Its like they didnt see our OL and DL look like JV units out there yesterday or for much of the year.
It is true that this team has more holes to fill than QB. In fact, QB is not the firs problem on this team as we all SHOULD know. If everything else was fixed, we could still win with Eli. Replace Eli with a rookie now and this team still loses.
What others here have said is that it is not just ONE player (ie Eli) that is the problem. What I have said in the past is that Eli is a decent QB but not a good fit for what we assembled around him. In today's game, the QB either needs a lot of time to throw or needs to be able to extend the play if needed with his legs. We have not given him a lot of time to throw. Not for a while.
I am seeing defensive lines dominate offensive lines more often than not in the league. This is part of the evolution of the game. So, it is not going to get any easier for Eli behind this OL.
Quote:
But extending him now, beyond next season, sight unseen is a reasonable approach?
They have plenty of information available to them to evaluate both Eli, and vs. anybody that they would sign to replace him, and make a decision.
well, it's sight unseen in the sense that you're assuming that from age 37 to 39 there is no additional deterioration. (or just no deterioration if you think he's still right now what he was).
I can't see the validity in any argument that supports signing Eli to a 2020 extension before the 2019 season, unless there is literally zero guaranteed 2020 cash / cap hit.
Lolol
Eli is fine...there! Acceptable knowledgable reply..here
I am seeing defensive lines dominate offensive lines more often than not in the league. This is part of the evolution of the game. So, it is not going to get any easier for Eli behind this OL.
See I disagree with this. Teams like the Saints, Rams, Chiefs OLs arent getting dominated. They may lose battles during the game... but they arent being dominated.
You arent a high porlific offense with OLs that get dominated.
That interception last night was god awful.
Just like Barkley was touched by the Hand of God and analytics suck. And something about donuts and hot dogs....
Its like they didnt see our OL and DL look like JV units out there yesterday or for much of the year.
This is a straw-man. There is not a single NYG fan alive who thinks it's all fixed once Eli is gone. That doesn't mean he should stay.
Quote:
Quote:
But extending him now, beyond next season, sight unseen is a reasonable approach?
They have plenty of information available to them to evaluate both Eli, and vs. anybody that they would sign to replace him, and make a decision.
well, it's sight unseen in the sense that you're assuming that from age 37 to 39 there is no additional deterioration. (or just no deterioration if you think he's still right now what he was).
I can't see the validity in any argument that supports signing Eli to a 2020 extension before the 2019 season, unless there is literally zero guaranteed 2020 cash / cap hit.
I think those things will be factored in, along with a million other variables, when they make the decision.
If they are ready to move on, they won't extend him. If they think he has a little something left, then they may consider a one year extension in order to get his pay more manageable to address something else roster related.
But if you look at everything in totality, one of the two options above are the likeliest scenario.
If that's beating my chest, so be it.
With the roster in 2017, the offense was putrid.
With a turnover in 2018 and a dynamic RB picked 2nd overall, the offense is putrid.
Is there any chance the offense isn't putrid again in 19?
Let Eli ride off into the sunset - either here or elsewhere, and take whatever cap you can recover and use it on either taking other hits so you're clear in '20 or sign other players. Get a cheap, mobile QB with the understanding the objective is to draft one high in '20, and lose baby lose. The losing is going to happen one way or the other, might as well embrace it and prepare for the future.
I suppose $20M is a lot to leave on the table for that, though.
Quote:
game in the rain. Their running game worked. Ours, not so much
part of the reason Tennessee running game success wS the giants D had to respect Mariottas running ability and they called a number of option plays.
LOL.
I dont remember who posted this comment about Eli a while back, but I think it s true.
Paraphrasing because I dont remember:
Older quarterbacks, good ones like Eli, will still be able to remind you of their greatness throughput the course of a season. I t s not like they totally forget how to play. They do enough to allow you to believe if we can jus get better around him.
But their ability on a consistent basis is just not there anymore. ......
Me, I see flashes of the old Eli when things are clicking. But I also see how overwhelmed he sometimes is by the athleticism around him as the pocket collapses
Eli has never been good at extending plays, but he almos always hung in there right up to getting hit making big plays. I dont see this anymore, I see the opposite
I m am not an Eli hater, nor a fanboy. I am a Giants fan first and want what s best for the team.
I dont know what that means for the quarterback position going forward but we ll see
This is a straw-man. There is not a single NYG fan alive who thinks it's all fixed once Eli is gone. That doesn't mean he should stay.
There are many on this board who do. Hell.... how many times have you read that there has been ONE constant to the losing in the last 7 years. I think you said it yourself....
Quote:
This is a straw-man. There is not a single NYG fan alive who thinks it's all fixed once Eli is gone. That doesn't mean he should stay.
There are many on this board who do. Hell.... how many times have you read that there has been ONE constant to the losing in the last 7 years. I think you said it yourself....
those are two different things though, no?
Isn't it basically just a statement of fact that (other than ownership), the one thing that has been present in all of the last 7 painful years has been Eli? I say that without blame or attribution. I don't see how you can bash someone for pointing that out. If it's the basis of an entire argument, I'd agree that it's not a very strong argument.
In any case, it's a country mile away from saying that the only thing NYG needs is a QB change (which literally nobody thinks).
There have been many constants on this team in the last 7 years. Poor coaching, inconsistent QB play, no OL, bad defense outside 2016, horrific Special teams.
Changing the name on the back of the jersey doesnt mean things actually changed, does it?
There have been many constants on this team in the last 7 years. Poor coaching, inconsistent QB play, no OL, bad defense outside 2016, horrific Special teams.
Changing the name on the back of the jersey doesnt mean things actually changed, does it?
But now you're twisting it. Clearly, when someone says that Eli has been the only constant, they mean in terms of actual players/coaches/inputs. Obviously, when you have 7 shitty years, you did a lot of things shitty for 7 years. The shitty-ness is an output, not an input.
Eli has been just about the only constant input for which no alternatives have been tried. That's damn near a fact. That doesn't prove that it's his fault, all or partial, but it's definitely not an incorrect statement.
Quote:
Probably because the current GM used the one good game "the eagles game", as enough evidence that they should keep moving forward with Eli.
Just like Barkley was touched by the Hand of God and analytics suck. And something about donuts and hot dogs....
Myths? He actually said those things.
But there have been a lot more negative consistences than the QB. A LOT more.
But there have been a lot more negative consistences than the QB. A LOT more.
But that's not what I said. At all. I said nothing about his actual play.
I said that his presence, his existence as the starting QB, has been the only ingredient that they haven't tried changing. Which is a fact.
You can not like it when people bring that up as an argument, because it's not compelling on its own, but it's a fact.
Les in TO : 11:07 am : link : reply
Carried this team to a championship in the playoffs
He and Eli were in the exact same spot. Eli got 2 rings And Boomer shit his pants.
I said that his presence, his existence as the starting QB, has been the only ingredient that they haven't tried changing. Which is a fact.
So why bring it up then? It doesnt mean a hill of beans either. I rather talk about consistent production and what is being produced on the field.
It's all in the context. He made a flippant remark about analytics and people started saying he hates analytics and doesn't think they are useful. Even though he implemented the analytics program in Carolina and helped his protege, Brandon Beane, improve the analytics in Buffalo.
You should know what is taken at face value and what isn't.
When bullshit like that is actually used to bash him - and referred to constantly, it is absolutely stupid.
You literally have people here who think he looked at the Eagles tape and made up his mind - a guy who has watched tape his entire life, drew conclusions on just one game.
C'mon.
Some people should just be ignored.
That would be like me saying that all people who want to (or think they will.....) keep Eli are batshit crazy because one guy says Eli hasn't declined at all.
We don't strengthen our arguments by singling out the most egregious examples of people who disagree with us.
Eli didn't carry the team, and couldn't generate big drives and he had bad turnovers. But pinning this on him and not our offensive and defensive lines misses the mark completely.
Our "touched by the hand of god" running back had 31 yards on 14 carries and that included a run for 17 yards. In other words, outside of that one good run, he had 13 carries for 14 yards.
Meanwhile, on the other side of the ball, Derrick Henry and Dion Lewis went 40/205 with a long of 22.
On top of that, Mariota dropped back 20 times and was hit twice. Manning dropped back 44 times and was hit 8 times.
Out lines were dreadful.
Go watch the Steelers-Patriots game. Ben had an eternity back there, gets production from his running game no matter who is in there, and has multiple receivers that go up and make spectacular catches.
Switch Ben and Eli and Eli looks like he still has it whereas Ben would look finished.
Some people should just be ignored.
Because there are more Les's of BBI now than ever before.
Our discussion, while we dont agree is I think at least respectful.
Quote:
I said that his presence, his existence as the starting QB, has been the only ingredient that they haven't tried changing. Which is a fact.
So why bring it up then? It doesnt mean a hill of beans either. I rather talk about consistent production and what is being produced on the field.
its not entirely irrelevant.
there's an argument that goes something like:
-Eli is getting old
-He gets paid a lot of money
-It's unlikely they put the right set of conditions around him to win sustainably by the time he's completely toast.
-The team has sucked for a long time, and the one thing they haven't even TRIED is giving another QB a run at it. -A belief that a QB who can use his legs as a weapon is desirable or necessary in today's NFL.
It's a mosaic of things. And that's not to say there aren't coherent counter arguments. But making the above set of beliefs out to be something crazy is a suspicious opinion to have.
History will be much kinder to Eli Manning.
History will be much kinder to Eli Manning.
Each day Eli is away from this will be a day his legacy improves.
Eli didn't carry the team, and couldn't generate big drives and he had bad turnovers. But pinning this on him and not our offensive and defensive lines misses the mark completely.
Our "touched by the hand of god" running back had 31 yards on 14 carries and that included a run for 17 yards. In other words, outside of that one good run, he had 13 carries for 14 yards.
Meanwhile, on the other side of the ball, Derrick Henry and Dion Lewis went 40/205 with a long of 22.
On top of that, Mariota dropped back 20 times and was hit twice. Manning dropped back 44 times and was hit 8 times.
Out lines were dreadful.
Go watch the Steelers-Patriots game. Ben had an eternity back there, gets production from his running game no matter who is in there, and has multiple receivers that go up and make spectacular catches.
Switch Ben and Eli and Eli looks like he still has it whereas Ben would look finished.
Agree about Steelers and Ben. He has many plays where he can fucking eat a sandwich and throw. Also, every back produces hmm why is that?
Ben is still more elusive than Eli and always has been, and he is a load to bring down. But, I am certain the Giants would be exactly the same with Ben here this season instead of Eli.
Except Ben would likely be hurt.
History will be much kinder to Eli Manning.
Yeah, in some ways would be a relief. Many here would get there wish and it would be over.
Set your DVR's I think week 17 is Eli's last. He is going to be cut.
PaulN : 11:38 am : link : reply
Then you buy yourself time, improve the position drastically, and sill can go get your future QB
Improving the position drastically?? Wow.
Verified account
@RVacchianoSNY
2m2 minutes ago
More
Does Pat Shurmur want Eli Manning back next season? Yeah. I want all our players to be back. I believe experience matters.
Does he still believe Manning has years remaining as an NFL starter? Yeah, I do.
If they have a new QB, I will root for him and the Giants.
I'm accused of being emotional. But as you've just admitted, what I've posted is completely logical with a clear thought process.
If they cut Eli I will be fine with it, he's had a great run, but for the reasons I outlined don't think it's the best move.
But I will not root against the team or the player that replaces him simply because they went against my wishes. I will root like hell for the team.
Irrelevant.
Quote:
Ralph Vacchiano
Verified account
@RVacchianoSNY
2m2 minutes ago
More
Does Pat Shurmur want Eli Manning back next season? Yeah. I want all our players to be back. I believe experience matters.
Does he still believe Manning has years remaining as an NFL starter? Yeah, I do.
This franchise is fucked.
Quote:
Ralph Vacchiano
Verified account
@RVacchianoSNY
2m2 minutes ago
More
Does Pat Shurmur want Eli Manning back next season? Yeah. I want all our players to be back. I believe experience matters.
Does he still believe Manning has years remaining as an NFL starter? Yeah, I do.
I wonder if Shurmur was reading that from a 3X5 index card or he memorized what he heard in Mara's Monday morning staff meeting?
Fix the roster.
do you think they can with a different QB and the same roster?
Simmons absolutely hates Eli and the Giants. Especially Eli. He is still butt sore from the Giants (mostly Eli) for betting them in the first SB and denying Simmons from writing that Pats undefeated season book.
Maybe it would have made him a lot of money? Who knows...
Quote:
In all seriousness, do you really think this team can win a SB with Eli at this stage?
do you think they can with a different QB and the same roster?
They'll never know until they try. You can use that reason until Eli is 60, if you wanted.
I wouldnt have been opposed to it.
Then I saw Lauletta play.
Quote:
In comment 14223394 bw in dc said:
Quote:
In all seriousness, do you really think this team can win a SB with Eli at this stage?
do you think they can with a different QB and the same roster?
They'll never know until they try. You can use that reason until Eli is 60, if you wanted.
lol.... really?
Eli didn't carry the team, and couldn't generate big drives and he had bad turnovers. But pinning this on him and not our offensive and defensive lines misses the mark completely.
Shep stunk, some passes were dropped, and they couldn't run the ball worth a damn. That being said, it was still a ball security game and Eli made two back-breaking turnovers. For all of Derrick Henry's rushing yards, it was a one score game until Eli's fumble. Eli made some good passes yesterday. He also almost threw a pick by forcing the ball to Barkley in the flat trying to avoid a sack. He threw another short pass to Barkley while he was triple-covered. He threw too many of his patented spin as he throws to avoid hard contact passes that are often disasters.
I can't defend him. I thought he was pretty bad yesterday even taking Shepard's horrendous game into account.
Quote:
In all seriousness, do you really think this team can win a SB with Eli at this stage?
do you think they can with a different QB and the same roster?
I don't know. But I know with much more confidence we can't with Eli.
So with that conclusion, I think logic dictates you move on to the next generation and begin that process.
Quote:
In comment 14223406 dep026 said:
Quote:
In comment 14223394 bw in dc said:
Quote:
In all seriousness, do you really think this team can win a SB with Eli at this stage?
do you think they can with a different QB and the same roster?
They'll never know until they try. You can use that reason until Eli is 60, if you wanted.
lol.... really?
lol...really.
BBI at its finest. If either of you think this is a QB change away from being a SB contending team, I just have no words.
And do I think Eli can win a SB? Absolutely. But not on this team. Aaron Rodgers couldnt either.
Dont forget IAEF.
BBI at its finest. If either of you think this is a QB change away from being a SB contending team, I just have no words.
And do I think Eli can win a SB? Absolutely. But not on this team. Aaron Rodgers couldnt either.
there seems to be an underlying premise here; let me know if it captures what you think -- Eli shouldn't be replaced until someone can show you evidence that he's the only thing preventing them from winning?
BBI at its finest. If either of you think this is a QB change away from being a SB contending team, I just have no words.
And do I think Eli can win a SB? Absolutely. But not on this team. Aaron Rodgers couldnt either.
I did answer your question - assuming I am being lumped in as one of Eli's biggest critics.
there seems to be an underlying premise here; let me know if it captures what you think -- Eli shouldn't be replaced until someone can show you evidence that he's the only thing preventing them from winning?
No not at all. What gets lost in translation is simple.
This is my opinion, so you can refer to me and back me up if it happens....
If the Giants take either Haskins/herbert/Jones or whoeever with their first overall pick in this upcoming draft... I would fully support it and hope for the best. Because that means they researched, studies, and did due dilligence on the pick. No qualms whatsoever.
Now just from my opinion, I dont think any of these guys are ready to be that guy. I could be wrong. I just dont see it. I was a fan of Rosen and Darnold last year being a selection. I dont see it with these guys.
I jsut think there are a shit ton of posters who are in the category of: "We need to take a QB no matter what and get rid of Eli." That makes very little sense to me and how often it is expressed is just surprising to me.
Quote:
refused to answer a simple question. Shocking how they are two of Eli's biggest critics.
BBI at its finest. If either of you think this is a QB change away from being a SB contending team, I just have no words.
And do I think Eli can win a SB? Absolutely. But not on this team. Aaron Rodgers couldnt either.
I did answer your question - assuming I am being lumped in as one of Eli's biggest critics.
saying "I dont know" is the type of response I get from my wife when I ask her a question.
Quote:
out in full force! Always fun debating Eli week after week, always littered with so much rational thought.
Dont forget IAEF.
Cmon, EDT is sooooo much better and catchier than IAEF.
Quote:
In comment 14223460 Keith said:
Quote:
out in full force! Always fun debating Eli week after week, always littered with so much rational thought.
Dont forget IAEF.
Cmon, EDT is sooooo much better and catchier than IAEF.
People may confuse yours for EricJ Does Trannys.
I did answer your question - assuming I am being lumped in as one of Eli's biggest critics.
saying "I dont know" is the type of response I get from my wife when I ask her a question.
Well, the question is impossible to answer definitively right now. But that's why we need to enter the process to find out.
We've seen Eli's best, and circumstances where he shined, and it's a much clearer answer and conclusion that we'll never be able to create that situation for Eli again. It's biology - his age - and the roster/cap - we have too many holes and needs.
Quote:
I did answer your question - assuming I am being lumped in as one of Eli's biggest critics.
saying "I dont know" is the type of response I get from my wife when I ask her a question.
Well, the question is impossible to answer definitively right now. But that's why we need to enter the process to find out.
It was the same question as yours. I could Eli contending for a SB if he were say on the Bears or the Saints or the Steelers, Chargers, etc....
He wouldnt be the star on any of those teams but he could perform with good defenses and/or OL. All those teams have pretty explosive players on both sides.
He cant win a SB with THIS team. And guess what.... neither could the QBs of those teams - including Mr. Brees and Mr. Rivers.
Doesn't matter. Either way, time to move on.
You didnt hear me praise the talent of this team in the last month.
Quote:
suddenly isn't there anymore.
You didnt hear me praise the talent of this team in the last month.
Maybe not you, but there were definitely people out there that were. Now the roster is completely devoid of talent again to those folks.
Quote:
In comment 14223520 Dave in Hoboken said:
Quote:
suddenly isn't there anymore.
You didnt hear me praise the talent of this team in the last month.
Maybe not you, but there were definitely people out there that were. Now the roster is completely devoid of talent again to those folks.
I didnt say that either. We have a great start with SB/OBJ. Hernandez look like to be a 10 year starter. Solder has improved. EE can be a functioning member, but this seems like a wasted year for him.
Thats why I keep stressing keep building through the draft. Lets get a RT. Lets get a new center. If we find those two position in the draft, and leave the QB position for 2020 - its still a good thing. Keep building.
It was the same question as yours. I could Eli contending for a SB if he were say on the Bears or the Saints or the Steelers, Chargers, etc....
He wouldnt be the star on any of those teams but he could perform with good defenses and/or OL. All those teams have pretty explosive players on both sides.
He cant win a SB with THIS team. And guess what.... neither could the QBs of those teams - including Mr. Brees and Mr. Rivers.
You see, this is where you get on thin ice, and into dangerous territory.
With a straight face, you suggest Eli is currently on the same level as Brees, Roeth, and Rivers. And that is simply twisted thinking.
Quote:
It was the same question as yours. I could Eli contending for a SB if he were say on the Bears or the Saints or the Steelers, Chargers, etc....
He wouldnt be the star on any of those teams but he could perform with good defenses and/or OL. All those teams have pretty explosive players on both sides.
He cant win a SB with THIS team. And guess what.... neither could the QBs of those teams - including Mr. Brees and Mr. Rivers.
You see, this is where you get on thin ice, and into dangerous territory.
With a straight face, you suggest Eli is currently on the same level as Brees, Roeth, and Rivers. And that is simply twisted thinking.
Did I say that? You do realize that Ben hasnt been all that great this year, right?
What I am saying is I believe Eli could take those teams if he were on them into the playoffs. From there, he would have a chance.
Did I say that? You do realize that Ben hasnt been all that great this year, right?
What I am saying is I believe Eli could take those teams if he were on them into the playoffs. From there, he would have a chance.
You are implying that. Yes, I have seen Roeth play. He's 4th in the NFL in total QBR. He's had some blunders - Denver, for example - but he's still making plays with some tremendous improvisation.
Quote:
Did I say that? You do realize that Ben hasnt been all that great this year, right?
What I am saying is I believe Eli could take those teams if he were on them into the playoffs. From there, he would have a chance.
You are implying that. Yes, I have seen Roeth play. He's 4th in the NFL in total QBR. He's had some blunders - Denver, for example - but he's still making plays with some tremendous improvisation.
QBR isnt a stat people should follow as much as they do. Very subjective. And mind you even during Eli's best years and great games... I never reference it either.
Quote:
there seems to be an underlying premise here; let me know if it captures what you think -- Eli shouldn't be replaced until someone can show you evidence that he's the only thing preventing them from winning?
No not at all. What gets lost in translation is simple.
This is my opinion, so you can refer to me and back me up if it happens....
If the Giants take either Haskins/herbert/Jones or whoeever with their first overall pick in this upcoming draft... I would fully support it and hope for the best. Because that means they researched, studies, and did due dilligence on the pick. No qualms whatsoever.
Now just from my opinion, I dont think any of these guys are ready to be that guy. I could be wrong. I just dont see it. I was a fan of Rosen and Darnold last year being a selection. I dont see it with these guys.
I jsut think there are a shit ton of posters who are in the category of: "We need to take a QB no matter what and get rid of Eli." That makes very little sense to me and how often it is expressed is just surprising to me.
When things aren't going right, people's first reaction is change.
What did George Young say, the backup QB is the team's most popular player??
If that's not the case, it just doesn't make sense to get rid of Eli in any other scenario if looking at it from a purely asset management viewpoint in the interests of rebuilding. If trying to improve the team, signing any QB that could potentially be an upgrade to Eli would most likely cost more than he does outright, and definitely when taking into account the dead money owed Eli. Trading for a QB likewise would cost several draft picks. I don't believe there is a QB available for trade that is an improvement over Manning, and if there were, the cost in draft picks would be prohibitive. The picks and/or cap money that either move would require would take up valuable money that could be spent on acquiring free agents or young, cost controlled players that could actually help the team in the future instead of on a stop gap QB.
The only scenarios I see where cutting Eli makes sense is if the Giants believe in one of the incoming QBs (unlikely) or to completely surrender next year and cut Eli in favor of Lauletta with the intention of going all in on a QB in 2020. However, given the tenor of comments of the cut Eli at all costs crowd, that doesn't seem to be a viable solution to them even though it may make the most sense in terms of rebuilding the team.
Yeah, I mean, Gettleman is an experienced football guy. Now was his sell of Eli to the fans a bad idea? Certainly, considering how this year came out.
If Gettleman thought the heir apparent was in the draft - while also considering Barkley was on the table for them - he would have done it.
Gettleman, if anything, has proven that he doesn't play favorites and always puts the franchise ahead of the individual.
It's only fair he's given some time to sort this thing out. He's been on the job for almost a year now.
Quote:
if you think that Gettleman and Shurmur used a single game to evaluate their plans moving forward I don't know what to tell you.
Yeah, I mean, Gettleman is an experienced football guy. Now was his sell of Eli to the fans a bad idea? Certainly, considering how this year came out.
If Gettleman thought the heir apparent was in the draft - while also considering Barkley was on the table for them - he would have done it.
Gettleman, if anything, has proven that he doesn't play favorites and always puts the franchise ahead of the individual.
It's only fair he's given some time to sort this thing out. He's been on the job for almost a year now.
And by sell I mean referencing that one game, which probably wasn't the best idea.
DG probably believed his OL would be much better this year, resulting in better QB play. It took half a year to get things settled in.
Verified account
@RVacchianoSNY
Following Following @RVacchianoSNY
More
Deal with it, Giants fans: Eli Manning is their best and most likely option to be the starting QB in 2019
Here's why, and why all the other options don't come close:
Why Eli Manning is the best option the Giants have at QB next year - ( New Window )
Quote:
Ralph Vacchiano
Verified account
@RVacchianoSNY
Following Following @RVacchianoSNY
More
Deal with it, Giants fans: Eli Manning is their best and most likely option to be the starting QB in 2019
Here's why, and why all the other options don't come close:
Why Eli Manning is the best option the Giants have at QB next year - ( New Window )
8-8, no playoffs, no top 10 draft pick. and the Eli 2020 campaign will still be flying the flag at full mast.
"I don't want this to happen. I can just see all of the signs and the logic. Get ready, it's going to happen."
The 2004 Giants had some balls, Accorsi/Coughlin realized it was time to move on from Collins despite the 2002 team playing well. They could have run it back and drafted Fitzgerald - thank god they didnt.
Its time.
He was born on Long island wound up in Cincinnati and no one in the NY metro area could cares less about him. He's a forgotten player, lost his only chance at a ring and didn't make enough money to not have to get up at 4 am to do a radio show.
Eli manipulated the NFL system to get to NY made a 1/4 of a billion dollars and won 2 Super Bowls. Eli will be a ROH Giants and NYC sports legend for the rest of his life.
F**k you Boomer.
Quote:
Any of those other blame-worthy targets pushing 38 years old and occupying $23MM of cap space?
Are you seeing the pattern Eli apologists?????/
I see a pattern. One you have been riding since BBWC.
Get rid of the QB and all will be well!!!!
Eli's cap hit has NOTHING to do with the diluted talent on this team. If you depend on free agency to win games - you will never win.
I remember when the Skins won the offseason with all their Free agents. Meant shit regular season.
This is the second time you've tried to call upon your memory of BBWC and failed. I was never a QB proponent on BBWC - even in 2004. The only time I've been vocally in favor of replacing the QB has been the past couple of years when I could see that Eli is very obviously in decline.
There are no absolutes in sports, Eli is not the sole reason for this crappy season but hes more of a problem than answer at this point. At his age, at his salary, whats your end game? Suck with him next year and sign him to another deal after that because we dont have a guaranteed first ballot HOF on the roster?
We suck this year and have mostly been pathetic for years. Who says we should change one thing at a time? Only irrational fans would say replacing Eli or preparing to do so is an unreasonable step at this point. We saw how much of a jolt going from Taylor to Baker did for the Browns, of course we dont have such a replacement on the roster yet, but that change has to start somehow.
At this point, Id say only the Eli defenders would think bringing him back with tweaks to the roster is the appropriate things to do. If we get an all pro center and RT next year and Eli still cant get it done with his declining physical skills, I wonder what they will blame next? The defense not pitching shutouts? Specials not giving Eli favorable field position? What?