What a mood swing in seven days!

Look at the Steelers. Everyone left them for dead. 3 bad losses. Than a good win against NE has their revived again. Look at the Rams - everyone had the mpegged for the SB - and now they may not even get a bye and their QB is in a tremendous funk. Kansas City cant stop a high school team.

The Bears look like world beaters one day, and then lose to the Giants.

As far as the Giants.... they really need to hit a home run in this next draft. They have to get 2-3 guys on the OL/DL that are quality players.

This team is what it is. Not nearly as bad as their 1-7 start, not as good as their last 4-1 prior to yesterday.

I'm just keeping my expectations between the ditches. Not drinking during the games helps.

this is a 5-win team, fully capable of helping defeat itself.

In comment 14222683 JonC said:

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this is a 5-win team, fully capable of helping defeat itself.

2019 draft is going to be enormous. BPA is on the table since we have so many holes.

was a good wake-up call. For me, more on the defensive side. We do not have a capable front 7. And I'm not a big Collins fan, but it is clear he was masking some of the front 7's issues by being a reliable tackler; we would have sopped drives sooner yesterday if he had been the one with the first shot on Henry.

If we don't like the QBs this year, first pick should be a pass rusher. (Or OL, but I've heard this draft is good for pass rushers.)

Just add 2 or 3 players on offense and defense and this will be a 10 -12 win team

In comment 14222688 Mike from SI said:

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was a good wake-up call. For me, more on the defensive side. We do not have a capable front 7. And I'm not a big Collins fan, but it is clear he was masking some of the front 7's issues by being a reliable tackler; we would have sopped drives sooner yesterday if he had been the one with the first shot on Henry. If we don't like the QBs this year, first pick should be a pass rusher. (Or OL, but I've heard this draft is good for pass rushers.)

I think the DL is gonna be a priority.

I still see if the player fits...

1st round - Edge/DL
2nd Round - RT
4th round - Center

Hell, yesterday's game rocketed me to Mars and Jupiter and I'm still fucking orbiting somewhere around Pluto.

What mood swing?

{:-) {:-(

I said they were a 4 win team coming in. If it weren’t for Mullens, Daniels, and Sanchez, this very well is a 2-3 win team. I don’t believe the GM or the HC are the right men for the job (never did really). And until we bring in the right QB, this franchise will remain irrelevant.

The 4-1 stretch felt nice, but I was slammed back into reality yesterday. Losing isn’t the issue, it’s the way the Giants were physically dominated on both sides of the ball. It was the QB play. It was being shut out at home.

For me, it takes a lot of the good we saw away based on how pathetic it was yesterday & if this team finishes 5-11, that would wipe out the 4-1 stretch against awful QB’s.

Anyone who got excited about a 5-8 team ought to have their head examined.

Honestly I could not believe that people were actually posting threads about playoff scenarios. Hilarious!!!

Abada playoffs? Playoffs? You kiddin me, playoffs? I just hope we win another game!

This season was over in September. My mood hasn't changed since.

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this is a 5-win team, fully capable of helping defeat itself.

Yup. We were punked. We beat a bunch of bad QBs, or in the case of Watson, a QB who was obviously still recovering from his ACL injury last year. Remember that Winston came in and lead four consecutive TD drives against us. This team has a lot of holes: S, NT, ER, LB, C, RT, and of course, QB.

defeats. I guess if Dallas puts in the B squad to rest for the playoffs the Giants could pull that one out. Colts are going to smoke this group. Luck might be the best in the league and he will have eons to throw. I can't wait until Vernon is cut. Likely they hang 35 plus on the Giants.

But, it is the way they lost yesterday, physically dominated at home against a pretty good, not great, team that disturbs me. It is a huge problem and contrast how the Titans looked. So much more hungry and physical. I thought the team was improving but it is still soft and weak. It was wet and cold yesterday and the Giants decided not to put in the work to win a scrappy game. Indictment of the coach if you ask me.

I also want someone to give me positives on Shurmur. I liked how they were building a little something even after the Eagle collapse. That all went away with the ass kicking yesterday.

In comment 14222683 JonC said:

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this is a 5-win team, fully capable of helping defeat itself.

Couldn't have been said better.

with a football team behind closed doors.

IMO - and I have zero to back this up - something bad happened last week. The team came out flat with zero intensity in a huge game.

Not sure how that happens. It wasn't even about skill it was about intensity - that's what Bruce Arians was pointing out and I agree.

I still believe the 4-1 (could easily have been 5-0) run was important for a roster full of new guys to start learning how to win games, even against a run of backup QBs, yadda yadda.

But there's also value in getting punched in the mouth like the Titans did yesterday to remind everyone they still have a ways to go.

a lower half team, pretty much same as last year. We added a few pieces, lost a few pieces.

A first year rebuild should have gotten us on the upward trend. I feel like we now have to rebuild from the first year of rebuilding.

It doesn't help that players like Sterling S or Engram haven't stepped up, or that Vernon washed out (although I do give him a bit of an injury pass), and that Eli seems to have lost the "it" factor. But very few of the FA additions this year are anything to write home about. Draft seems to have been a plus. When you're as bad as this team was, and still is, you can't miss that badly on half the rebuild equation.



My mood hasn't changed much. was happy to have won, but would rather have had the draft position.

having beat back up qbs the last two weeks and the Bucs. I did not expect to get shut out. We have some nice pieces but so many holes.

Colts are a good team. Luck is a good qb. I expect a better performance with OBJ hopefully back but its still a big up hill battle on the road on Sunday.

If we win one more game its vs Dallas at home week 17.

I feel like we got one in 2018. We must maximize in 2019 as well.

As said before regarding people who were actually wasting their time babbling about playoffs, the most convincing lies are the ones we tell ourselves.

Are not very good at looking past the last game or even last play they saw.

The funny thing is, even though it is so transparent, they rarely see that trait in themselves. Very few of has have the a ability to see the bigger picture, thus the constant mood swings.

Not a criticism, just an observation

In comment 14222676 dep026 said:

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Look at the Steelers. Everyone left them for dead. 3 bad losses. Than a good win against NE has their revived again. Look at the Rams - everyone had the mpegged for the SB - and now they may not even get a bye and their QB is in a tremendous funk. Kansas City cant stop a high school team. The Bears look like world beaters one day, and then lose to the Giants. As far as the Giants.... they really need to hit a home run in this next draft. They have to get 2-3 guys on the OL/DL that are quality players.

How can anyone seriously compare us to those teams? Yes, every team has ups and downs, but those teams are good and we aren't and it's been that way for years. We won 3 games last year, 5 this year. So in that sense, you are right, we are in the right direction. But that's about it. Watch a good football team play and then watch NYG and it's obvious how far we have to go.

In comment 14222749 Greg from LI said:

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As said before regarding people who were actually wasting their time babbling about playoffs, the most convincing lies are the ones we tell ourselves.

Yeah, not kidding. People talking playoffs look foolish.

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In comment 14222676 dep026 said: Quote: Look at the Steelers. Everyone left them for dead. 3 bad losses. Than a good win against NE has their revived again. Look at the Rams - everyone had the mpegged for the SB - and now they may not even get a bye and their QB is in a tremendous funk. Kansas City cant stop a high school team. The Bears look like world beaters one day, and then lose to the Giants. As far as the Giants.... they really need to hit a home run in this next draft. They have to get 2-3 guys on the OL/DL that are quality players. How can anyone seriously compare us to those teams? Yes, every team has ups and downs, but those teams are good and we aren't and it's been that way for years. We won 3 games last year, 5 this year. So in that sense, you are right, we are in the right direction. But that's about it. Watch a good football team play and then watch NYG and it's obvious how far we have to go.

I am comparing how one week they are left for dead or one week they are shoe-ins for the title.... and then a few weeks later the narrative changes. Much like here. Last 5 weeks, we have a chance for the playoffs, we are doing good things...etc... then a terrible loss and the mood swings.

Of course we arent a good team right now. But the rebuild doesnt take years if done right.

I merely wanted to see us continue to improve and if I am disappointed today that is the reason why. It is hard for me to get angry at the offensive line this week while acknowledging we need help at center and right tackle. But, how can you get into a rhythm when your play caller abandons the run...the balance is way out of whack and you do not rely on your best player. This was a game that was close, in spite of the terrible tackling on defense, late into the third quarter.

But Shurmur, to me, remains the biggest problem area. He simply does not know how to be a head coach. I don't need to go into the reasons why...the evidence is overwhelming. That said, we had receivers dropping balls all over the place and we got pushed around especially along the defensive line. Now, part of that was terrible tackling, but a lot was we just pushed around at the LOS.

Still, 42 passes to 18 runs...if that isn't a reflection on what a lousy play caller Shurmur is then I do not know what will. This is the NorthEast man...you'd better find out how to call plays here or your stay will be short.

In comment 14222711 Sean said:

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The 4-1 stretch felt nice, but I was slammed back into reality yesterday. Losing isn’t the issue, it’s the way the Giants were physically dominated on both sides of the ball. It was the QB play. It was being shut out at home. For me, it takes a lot of the good we saw away based on how pathetic it was yesterday & if this team finishes 5-11, that would wipe out the 4-1 stretch against awful QB’s.

Sean -- E.X.A.C.T.L.Y. Well said.

and got lucky just enough to bungle their draft position while also deluding themselves that they can do the same song and dance next year.

In comment 14222749 Greg from LI said:

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As said before regarding people who were actually wasting their time babbling about playoffs, the most convincing lies are the ones we tell ourselves.

Fandom and entitlement issues really fuck with people, even those who are usually level-headed.

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I feel like we got one in 2018. We must maximize in 2019 as well.

I think we will. We get a pass rusher and OT in rounds 1 and 2 add depth in the rest.

2018 hits IMO
Barkley
Hernandez
Carter
Hill
with a possible in MacIntosh (as a rotation guy time will tell).

They're the same bad team today that they were last Monday and every Monday this season. It's unfortunate some people didn't realize it and got caught up in the excitement of beating the 49ers, Bucs and Redskins, along with a fluke against the Bears.

with Pat Shurmur as head coach. He is what he is - a perennial loser as a HC and possibly an above average coordinator.

That's it. That's all he is. He isn't suddenly going to become a mastermind just because the Giants decided to take a flyer on a guy who had almost triple the amount of losses to wins as a head coach.

Start there. Then go draft and acquire talent.

But it won't happen because management refuses to take responsibility for this debacle. Instead, we'll all be mired in mediocrity and disappointment while two of the best players in the league continue to put miles on their bodies.

who got too excited after beating Nick Mullens, Chase Daniel, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Mark Sanchez.. well that's their own fault. This team stinks.

I especially loved the playoff scenarios. Gave me a good chuckle every Monday.

its about seeing improvements.

Should we not be excited about how good barkley is? And seeing Hill becomes a pretty good player? How about possibly seeing Grant Haley is a future player as an UDFA?

Shit, I was even a little excited to see Corey Coleman having success as a kick returner and Aldrick Rosas turning into an all-pro kicker. Solder has improved as the year went on. hernandez has shown to be a future starter.



But I guess since we loss in terrible weather without our 2nd best player against a potential playoff team..... all that excitement goes away?

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who got too excited after beating Nick Mullens, Chase Daniel, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Mark Sanchez.. well that's their own fault. This team stinks. I especially loved the playoff scenarios. Gave me a good chuckle every Monday.

The problem here is our ownership. The 5 win season they will look at as an improvement, even though we beat one starting Qb all season. We will roll into 2019 with Eli, because "we have no better option", which is complete and utter horsesh*t. Every FA out there is a better option, and its not a bash on Eli. It's enough of the same old. DO YOUR JOB AND MAKE THE CHANGES.

thats a good one as well.

Is geno Smith a FA? I think Mark Sanchez is too!

This is where we are at the three most important spots beneath the owner:

GM: A soon to be 68 year old Luddite that proudly rejects analytics.

Head Coach: A career loser that has shown himself incapable of managing a clock, timeouts, or just the general overall game. Expecting improvement requires a leap of faith, as we've seen no physical proof.

Quarterback: A cooked 15 year vet with nothing proven behind him on the quarterback depth chart.

This team is going nowhere as currently constituted. An operational sea change is required at the highest, most fundamental levels.

nasty weather, ugly play on both sides, ugly officiating...the team with the ground game won

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This is where we are at the three most important spots beneath the owner: GM: A soon to be 68 year old Luddite that proudly rejects analytics. Head Coach: A career loser that has shown himself incapable of managing a clock, timeouts, or just the general overall game. Expecting improvement requires a leap of faith, as we've seen no physical proof. Quarterback: A cooked 15 year vet with nothing proven behind him on the quarterback depth chart. This team is going nowhere as currently constituted. An operational sea change is required at the highest, most fundamental levels.

All 3 are getting another go of it in 2019, which likely is the wrong decision. We’re just wasting time here. Does anyone think this has a chance at .500 next season? And what happens if we go 6-10? Stay the course?

and are affected tremendously by wins and losses, particularly big wins or big losses.

There are very few on BBI who look for details within the game. Threads on BBI that focus narrowly on key players or schematic elements either quickly receive reminders of the team's record or fail to get much discussion.

Of course, beating the Skins was nothing to brag about. But being up 40-0 was. It's what good teams do and we haven't been good in a long time. Many of us while hoping for a win knew we were facing a better team. We knew that this would be a real test of the team. We see now that they still have a long way to go.

Does this mean that we're now officially one of the worst teams in the league? The record indicates that, but does BBI take the time to do a critical analysis of the team they follow?

We'll learn some more in the next couple of weeks. This next week will tell us a bunch, imo. Indy is hot, but playing in their dome we should be able to put together more than 0 points. We should see some energy out of the team. Lots of things to look at/for in the upcoming weeks that can inform our opinions if we want to be a bit more sophisticated in our viewpoints.

Or we could boil it down to how many wins/losses the team had and let the lynch mob loose.

yet feels temporary. Loses are like weeds! That feeling never seems to die off 😂 Every time one crops up you kill it but it feels like its bound to reappear at any time.

Can't imagine why people looked at those wins as anything more than a bad team beating teams that were worse. Shit, that 40 point mirage came against a team that had folded long before it started knowing that Captain Buttfumble was behind center.

It's a bad team with a handful of good players and lousy leadership.

I'm not gonna get excited because BJ Hill might be a decent starter. Every position on this team outside of running back and placekicker needs major work. And, as Terps pointed out, our QB is washed up and our head coach is woeful - even if we somehow solve all of our other issues, the most important parts of the team will need to be changed by the time we're ready to win some games. We're in serious trouble.

Why? Because some people on this Board convinced themselves that a 2% chance of making the playoffs, which required about 15 things to break our way, was really a sure thing? Grow up. The only team for which yesterday's game was huge was Tennesee. For us it was a 5-8 team playing out the string against a non-conference opponent. It was wet and miserable and we wanted to go home.

bitter pill to swallow.

but not a playoff caliber team. yesterday's game - Giant weakness vs opponents strength - weak OLine vs. very good front 7.

Have to continue to the fix OLine, add a pass rusher, maybe two. and a free safety.

There was no OBJ yesterday to keep Titans secondary honest, no WR/TEone on roster scares an opposing D. Once they stopped the run the only chance team had was to make it a defensive struggle. Their tackling killed that idea. People say they were domianted at LOS, but, there were multiple plays where they had an opportunbity to hit Henry in backfield or line of scrimmage and simply could not tackle.

People were overly optimistic talking about playoffs, so now, the tantrums begin.

Never root for losses, but, drafting higher is what the team needs more than a one and out in the playoffs.

Eli has probably two more solid years left if they fix OLine.

As an NFL fan we're kind of expected to be up and down. A dispassionate, step-back analysis after this year should reveal that we're a bad team in need of a lot of help. I like the GM and dislike the coach; I know there are differing opinions on that.

the Giants do not know how to win....

What was the game plan, if we couldn't run the ball? it looked like we didn't have one....

We still drop passes.....we still get penalties at the most inopportune times.....Eli is still good for a fumble/int that shouldn't happen....a defense that can't protect leads when they have them....

We see the same thing week after week in these losses.....

I think the mood swing is legit. Look, we looked decent for a few weeks. Yesterday meant much to all of us. They had a chance to get a win against a team playing for something. The offense had looked good in previous weeks. Even if we didn't win, but we competed, we could have walked away from this game with hope. The other team did not gift us an early lead and we scored NO FUCKING POINTS ALL GAME. They crushed our hopes AGAIN. Of course we are all fighting. It sucks. We felt exactly the same way after Philly. We need a new QB, someone that can extend a play and make something out of nothing when we need it.

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I think the mood swing is legit. Look, we looked decent for a few weeks. Yesterday meant much to all of us. They had a chance to get a win against a team playing for something. The offense had looked good in previous weeks. Even if we didn't win, but we competed, we could have walked away from this game with hope. The other team did not gift us an early lead and we scored NO FUCKING POINTS ALL GAME. They crushed our hopes AGAIN. Of course we are all fighting. It sucks. We felt exactly the same way after Philly. We need a new QB, someone that can extend a play and make something out of nothing when we need it.

Well said!

For me. Wins where our defense made mince meat of third stringers are fools gold. Just like the mini streak in 2013 against a string of backups

Some of these wins were illusions. And required a fair amount of looking before you leap -like into this fanatic mode that the playoffs were suddenly a real possibility.

we’re a real possibility. Plenty were excited about the very remote chance we had including myself, but no one thought it was a real possibility.

And that’s why it’s very hard to discuss things with many of you. I guess being miserable and hating everything is the way to go, because even if you are wrong you can still win. Enjoy.

one of the most lost franchises in the NFL is that it didn't happen until the league as a whole became -- for a variety of reasons -- a giant bore of a sports entertainment product.

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Some of these wins were illusions. And required a fair amount of looking before you leap -like into this fanatic mode that the playoffs were suddenly a real possibility.

Agree...I was willing to make a concession if we played at all yesterday. We shit the bed and ran all over the house leaving shitty footprints everywhere. In other words, a total fucking disaster.

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we’re a real possibility. Plenty were excited about the very remote chance we had including myself, but no one thought it was a real possibility. And that’s why it’s very hard to discuss things with many of you. I guess being miserable and hating everything is the way to go, because even if you are wrong you can still win. Enjoy.

You're right. Being losers 6 out of the last 7 years is deceiving.

I need to be more thoughtful and find the silver lining that apparently is somewhere...

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one of the most lost franchises in the NFL is that it didn't happen until the league as a whole became -- for a variety of reasons -- a giant bore of a sports entertainment product.

Agreed. The Giants sucking stopped bothering me in 2014 or so. I just can’t take this league seriously anymore. So it’s entertainment for me and entertainment only (if you can call it that) and my sundays are spent doing other things when the Giants aren’t on.

so what’s your goal? Stomp your feet enough until you are heard? Then what happens? I’ve asked many posters on this site what exactly they accomplish by hating everything and I never really get an answer.

Being critical for a discussion is one thing, but many on this board are on a whole new level of miserable.

Unless you are going to put your money where your mouth is, ditch season tickets, stop buying memorabilia and stop giving the team ratings on TV, then you are just screaming at a brick wall.

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I think the mood swing is legit. Look, we looked decent for a few weeks. Yesterday meant much to all of us. They had a chance to get a win against a team playing for something. The offense had looked good in previous weeks. Even if we didn't win, but we competed, we could have walked away from this game with hope. The other team did not gift us an early lead and we scored NO FUCKING POINTS ALL GAME. They crushed our hopes AGAIN. Of course we are all fighting. It sucks. We felt exactly the same way after Philly. We need a new QB, someone that can extend a play and make something out of nothing when we need it.

This place overreacts something awful after they lose - much more so than it overreacts after they win.

Anyone watching the game yesterday who thinks the problem was the play from the QB and not the play at the LOS - on both O and D - wasn't watching very carefully.

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so what’s your goal? Stomp your feet enough until you are heard? Then what happens? I’ve asked many posters on this site what exactly they accomplish by hating everything and I never really get an answer. Being critical for a discussion is one thing, but many on this board are on a whole new level of miserable. Unless you are going to put your money where your mouth is, ditch season tickets, stop buying memorabilia and stop giving the team ratings on TV, then you are just screaming at a brick wall.

If I were a season ticket holder I'd sell my tickets to opposing fans. I've also stopped watching Giants games in favor of the Red Zone. It probably doesn't matter as I stream everything anyway.

But I agree with you...it's on the fans to send a message.

In comment 14222948 Go Terps said:

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This is where we are at the three most important spots beneath the owner: GM: A soon to be 68 year old Luddite that proudly rejects analytics. Head Coach: A career loser that has shown himself incapable of managing a clock, timeouts, or just the general overall game. Expecting improvement requires a leap of faith, as we've seen no physical proof. Quarterback: A cooked 15 year vet with nothing proven behind him on the quarterback depth chart. This team is going nowhere as currently constituted. An operational sea change is required at the highest, most fundamental levels.

This is the sad truth about the team. I also mentioned this in another thread but even beyond any of this the lack of a cohesive strategy is the most alarming to me. Two examples really stand out:

1) Not putting OBJ back for the punt return the first game of the season and then making him a full time punt returner a few games later. Either he should be back there with the game on the line or he is too important to be back there. Pick one. It screamed desperation when they made the move to put him at punt returner later in the season.

2) I was against trading Snacks for a 5th round pick at the time and seeing how the season plays out makes this a vomit inducing move. Really nauseating. If you are going to trade the best player in one of the 4 main phases of the game you should get a return more than a 5th round pick. And IF you are going to trade that guy, especially for a paltry return like that it better be because you are throwing in the season. What were we playing Eli and trying to win games for? If you are going to make that trade be prepared to play Lauletta. Or have someone new you want to try with the offense. I'm sorry to say this but even a sack of shit like Geno Smith, a different kind of QB is a better idea to see if the team can do better than playing a guy that is on the brink of retirement when you are 1-7 and traded away one of your best players, an all-pro player. When your season is looking like that is the time you see if some new blood at QB can make a difference and fine if you want to say they made a mistake on Lauletta, but why do they get a pass on that? That was their guy. And why not Webb instead of Tanney or anyone else you think might be worth a shot. Fine whatever say Apple was a malcontent like Flowers and JPP and whoever fine. All guys by the way that a regime extremely similar to this one chose. Reese was not operating alone. But Snacks was a guy that helps you win games and trading him for nothing and then beating crap teams with a QB that isn't part of your future has to make you ask what the hell is our overall strategy here?

And it's the games we won that I read this optimism that I just don't understand. We beat two shit teams and two teams with backup QBs. What so our terrible coach could feel a little less terrible about his job performance? So we could justify not firing him? My family isn't even using our tickets, nobody wants them, we just give them away because they don't even sell. My Dad even wants the team to win and doesn't share all my philosophies but still doesn't want to watch this unmitigated disaster. People can smell the stink on this team and it goes beyond one or two bad seasons. Anyone that doesn't see a serious problem with the people running this team aren't looking hard enough.