I'm admittedly ignoring the potential of Eli returning and going on the premise that Eli retires, is unilaterally released, traded or released but more of a mutual parting of ways so he can pursue other opportunities i.e. Jaguars.
That being said, what are your top 3 options among the following:
Let's say the following are FAs:
Teddy Bridgewater
Case Keenum
Joe Flacco
Trade targets:
Kyle Sloter for a 6th rounder
Jacoby Brissett for a 3rd rounder
Top 10 draft pick:
Justin Herbert
Drew Lock
Dwayne Haskins
Which are appealing? Unappealing? Top 3 choices?
Mine would be:
1 Brissett (sat behind Brady and Luck; many top football people speak highly of him)
2 Herbert
3 Sloter
Eli being the QB in 2020 is the dumbest thing this franchise could do.
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Eli isn't what he once was, but he's still better than most.
How the hell can anyone be anti-Eli? What kind of fan is that, hating the guy who led us to two Super Bowls. I can see being worried about the post-Eli era, but bragging about being anti-Eli is pathetic.
I think "anti-Eli" is not a great way to phrase it. I am against the idea of paying 20mm+ for a guy that is at best mediocre now, has no future etc. The fact that Eli is a boy scout or played a key role in winning SB many years ago doesn't change that.
Exactly, it’s time to move on, players don’t last forever
We could have done that, but we didn't.
Yeah, we may have had as good a draft as everyone says we had but holy shit, the Colts' draft looks phenomenal.
either extend him on a 2yr deal at a much reduce rate or you cut him, and frankly im fine with bringing in a tyrod taylor as its a stop gap that actually allows us to see the offense run from a different vantage point. Which is with a mobile QB which might help us evaluate the OL and play-calling better.
either of those i am fine with. but i don't see how another year at current rate isnt just a disaster all around and a waste of time/money
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The Colts rebuilt the offensive line into one of the best in the league.
We could have done that, but we didn't.
Yeah, we may have had as good a draft as everyone says we had but holy shit, the Colts' draft looks phenomenal.
mark Glwoinski has come out of nowhere to be a great player from them. he had a great 11th grade Civics teacher though.
Then why is he on the roster?
Of the franchise. Winning is not in our future based on the colossal fuckup with Manning contract and handling.
Right about this time next year we will likely revisit the obvious if
NO to drafting a QB this year. There isn't anyone who is likely to be a real difference maker.
Eli is by far the best option for 2019. Use the draft picks to fortify the OL and the defense, and hopefully build draft capital for 2020.
Draft the next GIANTS QB in 2020.
NO to drafting a QB this year. There isn't anyone who is likely to be a real difference maker.
Eli is by far the best option for 2019. Use the draft picks to fortify the OL and the defense, and hopefully build draft capital for 2020.
Draft the next GIANTS QB in 2020.
you think its bad now, you want another year and perhaps another after that? did you see the game yday? cupboard is empty
to not have identified the next QB when the current QB piece of $20mm toast is irresponsible management
either extend him on a 2yr deal at a much reduce rate or you cut him, and frankly im fine with bringing in a tyrod taylor as its a stop gap that actually allows us to see the offense run from a different vantage point. Which is with a mobile QB which might help us evaluate the OL and play-calling better.
either of those i am fine with. but i don't see how another year at current rate isnt just a disaster all around and a waste of time/money
Can you imagine Eli walking into the locker room looking at guy like Oliver Vernon making what he is making. Seeing some guy named Pulley and Wheeler blocking in front of him?
Always about one player with you. I could only imagine Eli walking into the locker room and seeing CFL players starting in front of him....
extend at much lower per year. or you cut him, and see how the O runs under another style QB that might suit the offense more.
what does OV have to do with this? what do i have to do with this?
i dont think paying eli 23m cap next year is remotely healthy for the franchise.
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Then why is he on the roster?
To run the scout team
Sloter is very raw. However he is impressive. Take a look.
2018 pre season Sloter - ( New Window )
I also saw a defense that couldn't tackle, didn't cover receivers, and couldn't stop my dead grandmother from running for first downs.
I saw a GIANTS team that was being beaten physically in the trenches on both sides of the ball.
Changing QBs is not going to help this in any material way. They need better OLs and defenders, not an overpriced retread QB that has already flunked out with another team or teams, or a raw rookie with questionable credentials.
You don't sign or high pick draft a player unless you have the expectation that they will be a serious upgrade over what you have now. And there is NOBODY available this off-season that looks like an upgrade over an admittedly diminished Manning who is sometimes playing poorly in large part because he has been surrounded by a pretty much dog shit cast for the last eight years. I must note that at other times he is still playing pretty well.
At long last, the GIANTS finally have a General Manager who GETS IT. They need to improve the blocking and the defense or it doesn't matter who they have at QB. So he is trying to improve the blocking and the defense but you can't fix it all overnight (one season) when the team has drafted abysmally for pretty much the entire last decade.
So they might as well stick with who they have at QB. He's still an average NFL QB, which is better than anybody else that they have now or will have an opportunity to bring in by any means. That lets them put the draft pick and dollar resources into improving the rest of the team around him while they wait for an opportunity to draft a young QB who looks like the real deal, not just some bozo who will be over-drafted simply because he plays a position that is in high demand with low supply.
I also saw a defense that couldn't tackle, didn't cover receivers, and couldn't stop my dead grandmother from running for first downs.
I saw a GIANTS team that was being beaten physically in the trenches on both sides of the ball.
Changing QBs is not going to help this in any material way. They need better OLs and defenders, not an overpriced retread QB that has already flunked out with another team or teams, or a raw rookie with questionable credentials.
You don't sign or high pick draft a player unless you have the expectation that they will be a serious upgrade over what you have now. And there is NOBODY available this off-season that looks like an upgrade over an admittedly diminished Manning who is sometimes playing poorly in large part because he has been surrounded by a pretty much dog shit cast for the last eight years. I must note that at other times he is still playing pretty well.
At long last, the GIANTS finally have a General Manager who GETS IT. They need to improve the blocking and the defense or it doesn't matter who they have at QB. So he is trying to improve the blocking and the defense but you can't fix it all overnight (one season) when the team has drafted abysmally for pretty much the entire last decade.
So they might as well stick with who they have at QB. He's still an average NFL QB, which is better than anybody else that they have now or will have an opportunity to bring in by any means. That lets them put the draft pick and dollar resources into improving the rest of the team around him while they wait for an opportunity to draft a young QB who looks like the real deal, not just some bozo who will be over-drafted simply because he plays a position that is in high demand with low supply.
Yes, I agree that is is imperative to land on somebody who will be an upgrade. That applies to the near and not so near future. Because of his age and declined skill set, it is important that NYG urgently identify a QB to take advantage of the wealth of play-makers. Along with that, I'd like a RT i.e. Dalton Risner in RD2 and more capable center.
If the Giants fix the Oline by next year, pressure up the middle shouldn't be a big issue for Eli or the new QB.
They will have to have a couple more good drafts and free agencies to upgrade this team to the point that it will be a serious contender for the playoffs.
So they might as well work on the positions where they can get real upgrades and leave Eli at QB for the next year or two because there are NO serious QB upgrades reasonably available in the short term. Meanwhile, they will be actively scouting college QBs coming out in 2020 as his replacement.
And by the way, after seeing these guys play, Tyrod Taylor and Case Keenum are the best available, and I'd stick with Eli over either of them any day in the week and twice on Sunday.
Look at what Luck is doing with basically the same roster vs. what Brissett did.
True, Brisset may be a career back-up. But Luck is playing with a much more robust team. That oline has really solidified (Nelson may be the best G in the NFL right now) and their defense, led by rookie stud Darius Leonard (the clear DRoTY), is just awesome right now.
1 QB
2 RT (Dalton Risner)
3 none
4a
4b New Orleans
4c compensatory
5
5a Detroit
6
7 Minny
7a LAR
Good lord.
Jacoby Brisette? Again?
We aren't going anywhere with Eli. It's over. We can go nowhere with someone else at the position for a lot less money and more upside than what Eli brings at 38 years old.
Realistic scenario: we cut Eli or he retires (hopefully). We trade a pick to Indy for Brissett. Brissett plays QB for us in 2019 for peanuts. If he's good we sign him at a level or two below the stupid Garoppolo money, or if he signs elsewhere we get a comp pick to maybe help us move up into Tua/Fromm territory.
Trading for Brissett makes way more sense than going into 2019 with Eli.
I don't know how Mara could bring him back and keep a straight face.
Thats very very likely. He can join Lauletta and crew on bench, inactive list, or with a clipboard
I don't know how Mara could bring him back and keep a straight face.
Terps- I trust in your opinion of college/young QBs. Can you take 5 minutes and look at Sloter's video from 2018 pre-season and give your opinion. I'd appreciate. Thanks.
It's on Youtube.
Sean, check him out. Give me your opinion. What am I missing?
I don't know how Mara could bring him back and keep a straight face.
Why does the team have to suck next year? I don’t buy the whole this team is years away argument. The Bears just clinched the NFC North. The Colts are fighting for a playoff spot. The NFL is a game of bounces where coaching makes an enormous impact. I can point to several games where little details had a tremendous impact on the outcome:
Jax
@Car
@Atl
Wsh
@Phi
Time management & sub-par QB decision making all had an impact on these games which were all one score games into the 4th quarter. With better coaching & improved QB play, this team should at minimum be 7-6. I’m so tired of the Reese excuses or the ridiculous “2-3 year rebuild comments”, coach better & win with what you have. There have been plenty of close games this year.
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He's 38. The team is going to suck in 2019.
I don't know how Mara could bring him back and keep a straight face.
Why does the team have to suck next year? I don’t buy the whole this team is years away argument. The Bears just clinched the NFC North. The Colts are fighting for a playoff spot. The NFL is a game of bounces where coaching makes an enormous impact. I can point to several games where little details had a tremendous impact on the outcome:
Jax
@Car
@Atl
Wsh
@Phi
Time management & sub-par QB decision making all had an impact on these games which were all one score games into the 4th quarter. With better coaching & improved QB play, this team should at minimum be 7-6. I’m so tired of the Reese excuses or the ridiculous “2-3 year rebuild comments”, coach better & win with what you have. There have been plenty of close games this year.
Because I think the coaching will be awful again next year, and the roster won't be good enough to compensate.
What's evident even in the wins is that this team doesn't know how to win. The attention to detail isn't there; even when they win they don't even know why they did.
There's no reason to trust this group to improve. They don't show the signs.
- a slew of cheaper QBs that you can assume will result in the Giants being bad in 2019.
- a handful of retread QBs that will cost good money, and will likely result in the Giants being bad in 2019.
- Eli, at $20M, with whom the Giants have been bad the past several seasons, and will likely be bad again in 2019.
None of these scenarios have the Giants playing good ball. There's no good option. So why throw $20M down the hole? Pay a cheap mobile QB, fortify the team elsewhere with the 2019 draft picks, and go in expecting to pick high in 2020 and grab a QB.
Why would anyone want to continue with Eli, given the results of the past few years, knowing they're likely to continue and at a high cost? Nostalgia has no part in running a football team.
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He's 38. The team is going to suck in 2019.
I don't know how Mara could bring him back and keep a straight face.
Terps- I trust in your opinion of college/young QBs. Can you take 5 minutes and look at Sloter's video from 2018 pre-season and give your opinion. I'd appreciate. Thanks.
It's on Youtube.
I watched the clip...it's the first I've ever seen of the guy.
Just based on the video, he's got a funny release but it doesn't seem to inhibit him much. He has a glove on his throwing hand for a couple of the games but not the last one...I wonder what that's about.
He's obviously a good athlete, and looks like he can throw on the move. I think that's a must nowadays. I noticed one of the announcers referenced his being a former WR, so I'm guessing athleticism is a plus.
That's a lot of good tape to put together in a single preseason.
He's an unknown and stating anything definitively about him would be hugely premature, but a cheap unknown is better than what we're currently doing at QB. Eli doesn't work behind this line and in this offense, and costs $23M in 2019. I would take a complete unknown like Sloter over that situation.
It's past time to move on.
It's past time to move on.
Literally not one poster is saying this.
Good job, as usual.
Terps- I trust in your opinion of college/young QBs. Can you take 5 minutes and look at Sloter's video from 2018 pre-season and give your opinion. I'd appreciate. Thanks.
It's on Youtube.
I watched the clip...it's the first I've ever seen of the guy.
Just based on the video, he's got a funny release but it doesn't seem to inhibit him much. He has a glove on his throwing hand for a couple of the games but not the last one...I wonder what that's about.
He's obviously a good athlete, and looks like he can throw on the move. I think that's a must nowadays. I noticed one of the announcers referenced his being a former WR, so I'm guessing athleticism is a plus.
That's a lot of good tape to put together in a single preseason.
He's an unknown and stating anything definitively about him would be hugely premature, but a cheap unknown is better than what we're currently doing at QB. Eli doesn't work behind this line and in this offense, and costs $23M in 2019. I would take a complete unknown like Sloter over that situation.
Thanks for your opinion. I agree and Shurmur does like him.
I'd love for the Giants to make that trade and not have to use at least a 1st rounder on a rookie QB.
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He's 38. The team is going to suck in 2019.
I don't know how Mara could bring him back and keep a straight face.
Terps- I trust in your opinion of college/young QBs. Can you take 5 minutes and look at Sloter's video from 2018 pre-season and give your opinion. I'd appreciate. Thanks.
It's on Youtube.
I watched the clip...it's the first I've ever seen of the guy.
Just based on the video, he's got a funny release but it doesn't seem to inhibit him much. He has a glove on his throwing hand for a couple of the games but not the last one...I wonder what that's about.
He's obviously a good athlete, and looks like he can throw on the move. I think that's a must nowadays. I noticed one of the announcers referenced his being a former WR, so I'm guessing athleticism is a plus.
That's a lot of good tape to put together in a single preseason.
He's an unknown and stating anything definitively about him would be hugely premature, but a cheap unknown is better than what we're currently doing at QB. Eli doesn't work behind this line and in this offense, and costs $23M in 2019. I would take a complete unknown like Sloter over that situation.