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QB Options for => 2019

Pep22 : 12/17/2018 8:58 am
I'm admittedly ignoring the potential of Eli returning and going on the premise that Eli retires, is unilaterally released, traded or released but more of a mutual parting of ways so he can pursue other opportunities i.e. Jaguars.

That being said, what are your top 3 options among the following:

Let's say the following are FAs:

Teddy Bridgewater
Case Keenum
Joe Flacco

Trade targets:

Kyle Sloter for a 6th rounder
Jacoby Brissett for a 3rd rounder

Top 10 draft pick:

Justin Herbert
Drew Lock
Dwayne Haskins

Which are appealing? Unappealing? Top 3 choices?

Mine would be:

1 Brissett (sat behind Brady and Luck; many top football people speak highly of him)

2 Herbert

3 Sloter


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We dont have a 3rd round pick  
dep026 : 12/17/2018 8:59 am : link
and Eli is going to start the year.
Eli  
The_Boss : 12/17/2018 9:01 am : link
I think he gives us the best chance to go 3-13/4-12 to position ourselves for Tua or Fromm.
RE: We dont have a 3rd round pick  
Pep22 : 12/17/2018 9:04 am : link
In comment 14222743 dep026 said:
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and Eli is going to start the year.


The thread is about other QB options ("going on the premise that Eli is NOT the QB in '19"). Perhaps that is just me being hopeful, but let's roll w that concept for the sake of the thread.
What is Sloter’s appeal? What are his credentials?  
Ivan15 : 12/17/2018 9:06 am : link
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RE: What is Sloter’s appeal? What are his credentials?  
Pep22 : 12/17/2018 9:08 am : link
In comment 14222763 Ivan15 said:
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Sloter is physically impressive (big, athletic, good arm)...not exactly what we are used to around here. Also, reportedly, Shurmur likes him.
Pep.  
Earl the goat : 12/17/2018 9:10 am : link
You can mention Brissett in the preeence of Fat Man in Charlotte
I  
AcidTest : 12/17/2018 9:10 am : link
have no interest in Bridgewater, Keenum, or Flacco.

The most likely outcome from your list is Sloter. There were rumors the Giants were interested in trading for him on draft day. Of course, the question is why they didn't, since it would only have taken a low round pick.

After Sloter, I think Lock is the next most likely option. Herbert will be gone, assuming he comes out.
If they don't draft a QB with the first pick  
jeff57 : 12/17/2018 9:13 am : link
I'd sign Bridgewater to a two-year deal. That way you're quaranteed to have an experienced QB on the roster in 2020. He could also start in 2019 depending on how things develop.
No to the FAs  
Jim in Forest Hills : 12/17/2018 9:15 am : link
I'd look at a 2nd round draft selection at QB, I think thats where value will meet need. I don't see a 1st rd QB in this draft.

If they can secure Haskins/Jones/Lock/Finley, I'd be for it.

Draft BPA in rd 1, they need help all over.
Earl..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/17/2018 9:17 am : link
anyone can mention Jacoby Brissett, but the point remains he's nothing more than a career backup.

Look at what Luck is doing with basically the same roster vs. what Brissett did.

I'd much rather have a draft pick or keep Eli than go with Brissett.

and by the way - let's just remind pep taht you said Brissett was a possible HoF talent and would be a starter in the league for many years based on a half of play. A half in a game the colts went on to lose, helped tremendously by a Brisett INT.
Eli syarter for forseeable future  
micky : 12/17/2018 9:18 am : link
Theres not one qb out there for a while that is better. I fully expect they extend him, which would be smart to do, and he'll play til he decides its his time to move on

RE: Eli syarter for forseeable future  
micky : 12/17/2018 9:18 am : link
In comment 14222796 micky said:
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Theres not one qb out there for a while that is better. I fully expect they extend him, which would be smart to do, and he'll play til he decides its his time to move on


Starter
RE: Earl..  
Pep22 : 12/17/2018 9:21 am : link
In comment 14222795 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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anyone can mention Jacoby Brissett, but the point remains he's nothing more than a career backup.

Look at what Luck is doing with basically the same roster vs. what Brissett did.

I'd much rather have a draft pick or keep Eli than go with Brissett.

and by the way - let's just remind pep taht you said Brissett was a possible HoF talent and would be a starter in the league for many years based on a half of play. A half in a game the colts went on to lose, helped tremendously by a Brisett INT.


HOF talent? No, I never said that. My only take on him is limited. Good college career. Big arm, great size, adequate athlete, trained behind the best of the best and what Parcells says about him. Either way, the premise is to exit from the Eli situation.
i'm as anti eli as they come  
GiantsFan84 : 12/17/2018 9:25 am : link
just let him play next year. it's another rebuilding year, so who cares really. it's not worth giving up assets for any of those QBs and none of the QBs in this years draft are worth drafting (this is why people wanted them to draft a QB this past year).

they will prob be looking at drafting a CB or OT in rd 1, with my preference being OT. they can draft at least 1 interior offensive lineman in the mid-rounds and solidify the line. add defensive help and a WR with the rest of the picks
Earl..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/17/2018 9:25 am : link
said he was the HoF talent, not you
My view ...  
Spider56 : 12/17/2018 9:29 am : link
First, I have always been an Eli supporter and have never bashed him ... but he showed me yesterday that he is done He looked like he didn’t want to be cold and wet and the 2H fumble or whatever it was really put the game out of reach. I am now convinced we need to move on.

They need to play Lauleta the rest of the year and let him show what he can, or more likely can’t do ...

Looking ahead to next year depends on who PS and DG think can be developed ... That’s why PS was hired and he should get his chance to pick his guy. He knows a few of the names mentioned above and should have his opinions ... the key is moving on from Eli ... now.
RE: Eli syarter for forseeable future  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/17/2018 9:32 am : link
In comment 14222796 micky said:
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Theres not one qb out there for a while that is better. I fully expect they extend him, which would be smart to do, and he'll play til he decides its his time to move on

I didn't realize people started drinking so early on Monday mornings.
If the giants  
Les in TO : 12/17/2018 9:35 am : link
Feel one of the college QBs can bring this team back to winning again you go with that as QB is the most important piston the field and the biggest reason we are mired in a football depression
RE: i'm as anti eli as they come  
gmenatlarge : 12/17/2018 9:36 am : link
In comment 14222818 GiantsFan84 said:
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just let him play next year. it's another rebuilding year, so who cares really. it's not worth giving up assets for any of those QBs and none of the QBs in this years draft are worth drafting (this is why people wanted them to draft a QB this past year).

they will prob be looking at drafting a CB or OT in rd 1, with my preference being OT. they can draft at least 1 interior offensive lineman in the mid-rounds and solidify the line. add defensive help and a WR with the rest of the picks


I don't get how you can make that opening statement and still call yourself a giants fan. While I am not an Eli apologist and can see the end is near I just don't get that.
Curious about the  
Big Blue '56 : 12/17/2018 9:40 am : link
availability of Nick Mullins. Is he going to be a FA? Not necessarily rushing to have him here, but curious just the same
RE: Eli syarter for forseeable future  
jeff57 : 12/17/2018 9:42 am : link
In comment 14222796 micky said:
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Theres not one qb out there for a while that is better. I fully expect they extend him, which would be smart to do, and he'll play til he decides its his time to move on


QB For Life.
RE: Curious about the  
Carson53 : 12/17/2018 9:53 am : link
In comment 14222867 Big Blue '56 said:
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availability of Nick Mullins. Is he going to be a FA? Not necessarily rushing to have him here, but curious just the same


Contract Notes
Nick Mullens signed a two year contract with the 49ers on September 26, 2018. Mullens had been on the 49ers practice squad.

Per Overthecap.com
RE: Curious about the  
shyster : 12/17/2018 9:54 am : link
In comment 14222867 Big Blue '56 said:
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availability of Nick Mullins. Is he going to be a FA? Not necessarily rushing to have him here, but curious just the same


Under contract for minimum wage next year and a restricted free agent in 2020.

Niners are going to want a significant trade haul for him
Who is Kyle Sloter?  
Carson53 : 12/17/2018 9:54 am : link
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RE: Earl..  
Earl the goat : 12/17/2018 9:57 am : link
In comment 14222795 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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anyone can mention Jacoby Brissett, but the point remains he's nothing more than a career backup.

Look at what Luck is doing with basically the same roster vs. what Brissett did.

I'd much rather have a draft pick or keep Eli than go with Brissett.

and by the way - let's just remind pep taht you said Brissett was a possible HoF talent and would be a starter in the league for many years based on a half of play. A half in a game the colts went on to lose, helped tremendously by a Brisett INT.



FMIC. I was being facetious. Tired of arguing with you
Hope you and family have a wonderful holiday
Sincerely
Thanks Carson and shyster  
Big Blue '56 : 12/17/2018 9:57 am : link
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This Sloter thing is beyond odd  
Anakim : 12/17/2018 10:00 am : link
Can someone please explain to me the obsession? I know Colin or Te mentioned him once or twice and then it took a life of its own.
All those QB's suck  
PatersonPlank : 12/17/2018 10:22 am : link
Eli isn't what he once was, but he's still better than most.

How the hell can anyone be anti-Eli? What kind of fan is that, hating the guy who led us to two Super Bowls. I can see being worried about the post-Eli era, but bragging about being anti-Eli is pathetic.
Obsession with Eli  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 12/17/2018 10:26 am : link
People are obsessed with moving on from Eli. I get it. He is, to put it mildly, underperforming at times and rarely does he have a great game anymore.

While I understand the concept and would be all for it given the right scenario, I'm just not sure what the urgency is to do it this coming year for a few reasons. We are much more than a QB away, and the QB we need is almost certainly not on the roster. None of the incoming QBs really seems, to my unprofessional evaluation, to be potential franchise guys. Any potential free agent QBs who might provide an upgrade are going to cost more than Eli will next year to begin with, plus we would still have to deal with the dead money from cutting or trading Eli so we'd be limiting the potential to sign FAs who might contribute to the rebuild. Trading draft picks for QBs who probably also won't be our future QB also limits our ability to build through the draft, and anyone who is likely to have franchise potential is going to be prohibitively costly from that aspect as well.

2019 just doesn't make sense to me to move on unless the scouts and Gettlemen feel radically different about the incoming QB class than most seem to. Sure, you can say we are giving up on the season, but I think it makes the most sense in terms of long-term team building. Preserve draft picks, preserve cap space, draft a QB in what looks to be a very strong QB class in 2020. We're not winning much in 2019 anyway, so why bother switching from Eli to a different mediocre QB as a placeholder for whoever we draft in 2020/2021 who will cost more in terms of draft picks and/or cap space when we've already got a placeholder on the roster? Now, if you want to just play Lauletta to Tank for Tua....that might be intriguing
Foles will be available  
WillieYoung : 12/17/2018 10:29 am : link
According to the Eli apologists winning two Superbowls puts you in the Hall of Fame and Foles is halfway there
RE: All those QB's suck  
Les in TO : 12/17/2018 10:29 am : link
In comment 14223003 PatersonPlank said:
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Eli isn't what he once was, but he's still better than most.

How the hell can anyone be anti-Eli? What kind of fan is that, hating the guy who led us to two Super Bowls. I can see being worried about the post-Eli era, but bragging about being anti-Eli is pathetic.
better than most backups and third stringers but bottom tier of starters
Brissett did not have the same roster  
Go Terps : 12/17/2018 10:34 am : link
The Colts rebuilt the offensive line into one of the best in the league.

We could have done that, but we didn't.
RE: This Sloter thing is beyond odd  
Pep22 : 12/17/2018 10:39 am : link
In comment 14222945 Anakim said:
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Can someone please explain to me the obsession? I know Colin or Te mentioned him once or twice and then it took a life of its own.


Sloter is physically impressive (big, athletic, good arm)...not exactly what we are used to around here. Also, reportedly, Shurmur likes him.
RE: All those QB's suck  
Pep22 : 12/17/2018 10:43 am : link
In comment 14223003 PatersonPlank said:
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Eli isn't what he once was, but he's still better than most.

How the hell can anyone be anti-Eli? What kind of fan is that, hating the guy who led us to two Super Bowls. I can see being worried about the post-Eli era, but bragging about being anti-Eli is pathetic.


I think "anti-Eli" is not a great way to phrase it. I am against the idea of paying 20mm+ for a guy that is at best mediocre now, has no future etc. The fact that Eli is a boy scout or played a key role in winning SB many years ago doesn't change that.
RE: RE: This Sloter thing is beyond odd  
Anakim : 12/17/2018 10:45 am : link
In comment 14223044 Pep22 said:
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In comment 14222945 Anakim said:


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Can someone please explain to me the obsession? I know Colin or Te mentioned him once or twice and then it took a life of its own.



Sloter is physically impressive (big, athletic, good arm)...not exactly what we are used to around here. Also, reportedly, Shurmur likes him.


"big, athletic, good arm"

There are quite a few QBs (yes, backups) who fit that description. And it's purely speculative that Shurmur "likes" him. He may like him as a backup. I doubt he sees him as a franchise QB.
This is an easy one, Eli is going to be the qb in 2019 and more than  
SterlingArcher : 12/17/2018 10:57 am : link
likely in 2020. If the Giants can get talent in the oline and dline Eli will be serviceable until they draft a qb.
at the spot we wil likely be drafting  
Dankbeerman : 12/17/2018 11:08 am : link
I am fine with taking Herbert. Dont want to touch him in the top 5 but at 8-10 I think its worth it.

I think more likely move is us trading back into the late 1st to take a unfinshed high ceiling athlete to polish while Eli is the starter next year.
RE: This is an easy one, Eli is going to be the qb in 2019 and more than  
cokeduplt : 12/17/2018 11:20 am : link
In comment 14223109 SterlingArcher said:
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likely in 2020. If the Giants can get talent in the oline and dline Eli will be serviceable until they draft a qb.



Eli being the QB in 2020 is the dumbest thing this franchise could do.
RE: RE: All those QB's suck  
cokeduplt : 12/17/2018 11:21 am : link
In comment 14223055 Pep22 said:
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In comment 14223003 PatersonPlank said:


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Eli isn't what he once was, but he's still better than most.

How the hell can anyone be anti-Eli? What kind of fan is that, hating the guy who led us to two Super Bowls. I can see being worried about the post-Eli era, but bragging about being anti-Eli is pathetic.



I think "anti-Eli" is not a great way to phrase it. I am against the idea of paying 20mm+ for a guy that is at best mediocre now, has no future etc. The fact that Eli is a boy scout or played a key role in winning SB many years ago doesn't change that.


Exactly, it’s time to move on, players don’t last forever
The difficulty in projecting solid QB options for 2019  
JonC : 12/17/2018 11:25 am : link
reinforces the likelihood Eli returns for one last hurrah. That was the plan before this season, and given the state of the roster now and for next season, it's probably Eli.
Eli probably comes back next year. No way after that IMO.  
Blue21 : 12/17/2018 11:32 am : link
They'll look to draft someone this year or go to FA 2020. Better off if they can to draft if someone of value is worth it so they can get "cap friendly" at the position for a few years. If Oakland does grab Herbert before we do we should be in position to get him.
Doesn't  
Blue21 : 12/17/2018 11:32 am : link
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RE: Brissett did not have the same roster  
santacruzom : 12/17/2018 11:35 am : link
In comment 14223029 Go Terps said:
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The Colts rebuilt the offensive line into one of the best in the league.

We could have done that, but we didn't.


Yeah, we may have had as good a draft as everyone says we had but holy shit, the Colts' draft looks phenomenal.
I dont know how the team  
hitdog42 : 12/17/2018 11:46 am : link
can walk in the locker room again next year and play good team football if Eli is making what he makes again. People want to talk about culture- how does accepting that build anything.
either extend him on a 2yr deal at a much reduce rate or you cut him, and frankly im fine with bringing in a tyrod taylor as its a stop gap that actually allows us to see the offense run from a different vantage point. Which is with a mobile QB which might help us evaluate the OL and play-calling better.
either of those i am fine with. but i don't see how another year at current rate isnt just a disaster all around and a waste of time/money
RE: RE: Brissett did not have the same roster  
dep026 : 12/17/2018 11:49 am : link
In comment 14223213 santacruzom said:
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In comment 14223029 Go Terps said:


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The Colts rebuilt the offensive line into one of the best in the league.

We could have done that, but we didn't.



Yeah, we may have had as good a draft as everyone says we had but holy shit, the Colts' draft looks phenomenal.


mark Glwoinski has come out of nowhere to be a great player from them. he had a great 11th grade Civics teacher though.
They need to start Lauletta for a game  
AcesUp : 12/17/2018 11:51 am : link
We're mathematically eliminated and have a huge question at QB, this team needs to start gathering information. I know why these discussions died down, he looked horrendous, but getting Lauletta in was never about him improving the position right away. They need to see if they have SOMETHING behind Eli, even if that's just a primary backup.
Laulletta  
cokeduplt : 12/17/2018 11:54 am : link
Isn’t worth worrying about
RE: Laulletta  
AcesUp : 12/17/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 14223256 cokeduplt said:
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Isn’t worth worrying about


Then why is he on the roster?
Giants need to make an investment  
mdc1 : 12/17/2018 11:58 am : link
In a drafted rookie or some proven vet until they find the next leader
Of the franchise. Winning is not in our future based on the colossal fuckup with Manning contract and handling.

Right about this time next year we will likely revisit the obvious if
NO to your basic premise.  
Red Dog : 12/17/2018 12:53 pm : link
NO to all the free agent QBs available. They are overpriced garbage. Even now Eli is better than any of them.

NO to drafting a QB this year. There isn't anyone who is likely to be a real difference maker.

Eli is by far the best option for 2019. Use the draft picks to fortify the OL and the defense, and hopefully build draft capital for 2020.

Draft the next GIANTS QB in 2020.
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