Wellington is gone, his foundation is gone and history dust.
Not exactly a memory you want to invoke since Wellington was more or less personally responsible for the "15 years of lousy football" and his removal from the football side the impetus for getting George Young, Accorsi and Reese and the 4 SB Titles they brought the franchise.
Wellington is gone, his foundation is gone and history dust.
Not exactly a memory you want to invoke since Wellington was more or less personally responsible for the "15 years of lousy football" and his removal from the football side the impetus for getting George Young, Accorsi and Reese and the 4 SB Titles they brought the franchise.
This what I was thinking....or more like a Jim Mora impersonation....
Foundation?! Foundation?! What foundation??? The one where we brought in Tarkenton and CZonka(giving up draft picks VOLUNTARILY)!? or the one where we moved from the Biggest city in the country to the swamps of Jersey? That Foundation?!
Communicating with my GM to make it clear to the scouting department that they need to be finding those college players that can truly bring back "the Big Blue Wrecking Crew."
which would result in me hiring a bunch of familiar faces who like hanging out with. Then I would just sit back and enjoy the feeling of the silver spoon lodged wonderfully in my rectum.
You are so defensive of the Giants. It’s a message board & the team has now missed the playoffs 6 of the last 7 years. Your act was fine in 2012, but it’s 2018 now & the franchise still sucks.
And I think the wheels came off after the 2013 season. It’s amazing how easily offended you get with any criticism of this organization.
the reincarnation of Wellington. Nice man (by all accounts), low candle power. Way out of his depth. The solution is hire someone much smarter to run the team and get far out of his way.
1. Hire a consultant with no ties to the Giants to put together a report outlining:
a) Best practices around the league regarding front office operations & GM/Head coach roles & responsibilities
b) a list of possible GM candidates that work within the framework laid out in a)
c)a list possible head coach candidates that work within the framework laid out in a)
2. Train all high level front office personnel in a) above
3. Interview candidates from the plan put together by the consultant.
4. Hire candidates that are most aligned with the findings in the report.
FMiC
Sean : 12:30 pm : link : reply
You are so defensive of the Giants. It’s a message board & the team has now missed the playoffs 6 of the last 7 years. Your act was fine in 2012, but it’s 2018 now & the franchise still sucks.
And I think the wheels came off after the 2013 season. It’s amazing how easily offended you get with any criticism of this organization.
I'm reactive to moronic takes.
It's fine, and even rational to be critical of the team. It is ridiculous to just throw shade wherever and whenever because you're frustrated. When the team picks Barkley and is called incompetent and following through on a mandate by the owner, is that take supposed to be something to admire and agree with?
Being critical of the organization is wondering what the fuck we have been doing for the past several year's drafts, how we failed to improve the OL and our player evaluations as a whole, and how we haven't tried to get younger and cheaper at the QB position. It isn't making unfounded allegations about the owner making mandates, hiring a GM and coach to be yes-men, and having some tacit agreement to build around Eli.
People can be critical of the team without sounding like dumbasses or lunatics. Unfortunately, that rarely happens around here, and when it does, I generally agree with those posters.
If I was like some fans I would have been really encouraged by the four game midseason winning streak (after starting 0-6) against Josh Freeman, Matt Barkley, Terrelle Pryor, and Scott Tolzien.
Those two wins over the 3-13 Redskins would also tell me that the arrow is pointing up and happy days would soon be here if we simply stayed the course.
how Fat-Mara in Charlotte thinks. Unless there is an actual recording, and even a video too, of the meeting between Mara, Accorsi, Gettleman, and Shurmur where Mara says his preference is for the organization to continue to ride with Eli, it simply can't be true.
Despite some pretty compelling circumstantial evidence to the contrary...
If I was like some fans I would have been really encouraged by the four game midseason winning streak (after starting 0-6) against Josh Freeman, Matt Barkley, Terrelle Pryor, and Scott Tolzien.
Those two wins over the 3-13 Redskins would also tell me that the arrow is pointing up and happy days would soon be here if we simply stayed the course.
think you really understand what circumstantial evidence means.
I'd offer that a GM who stood up to his previous owner on how to treat veterans would fit the narrative of evidence, but since it directly opposes what the conspiracy theory is, it is ignored.
Basically, the Giants kept eli, probably more out of a financial decision than anything else and some fans aren't happy, so they turn it into a mandate from the owner in the best case scenario, and in teh worst case scenario, it is a backroom handshake agreement with Archie to have Eli ride off on a white horse as the team spends a couple of years building around him.
Just put on a tinfoil hat and make some jolly reference to Jints Central than discussing circumstantial evidence.
I have said on this board many times that I thought Reese Â
should have been fired after the 2013 or 14 seasons. It didn't happen but no one can deny that it should have happened after the 2015 season. I won't argue about Tom but any head coach can only play the hand he is dealt and so if you fire Tom then Reese has to go also and that was the biggest mistake of the John Mara era and he is still paying for it and so are we.
Look, I don't like Shurmur right now but I am willing to see if he can learn from his mistakes this year and realize what he has got and how he has to gameplan going forward. Gettleman has done a good job so far, not great. He had a great draft but his offseason moves can be criticized. Shurmur deserves one more year...Gettleman needs to be allowed to continue the rebuild of this roster! And there is still a lot of work to do there.
think you really understand what circumstantial evidence means.
I'd offer that a GM who stood up to his previous owner on how to treat veterans would fit the narrative of evidence, but since it directly opposes what the conspiracy theory is, it is ignored.
Good for Gettleman. But he wasn't in demand when he hit the open GM market. Remind me of the other offers he received. You can't.
So it's not a leap to conclude that Gettleman wanted a another job as GM, and maybe even desperately. So when Accorsi made the call in the "search", and told him he could be the top candidate, the the way to differentiate himself and curry good favor with Mara was to be very pro-Eli.
They should have planned for a rebuild right there, Â
but they were enamored with the idea of hosting a SB they were playing in. That led them to take shortcuts, signing aging vets rather than trying to get younger. And year after year, they seemed to double down on that strategy.
Bigger moves should have been made after 2014 ie saying goodbye to Coughlin and not extending Expired Milk.
Correct.
2013 you can just chalk out to a bad year where shit just goes crazy on you. But I would not have fired everyone just two years after winning the 2nd Super Bowl in 5 years.
However....my internal feeling has been that missing the playoffs 3 years in a row with a high quality QB means that some high level of change has to be made.
They went from 3-2 in 2014 to 3-9, with the 9th loss coming after they blew a 21-0 lead at Jacksonville. There was a game in there at home against the Colts where every part of the organizations failure the past few years showed up and should have sent sirens throughout.
But they got seduced by 4 meaningless games in December (sound familiar?) when Beckham went crazy and tricked them into thinking that the "momentum" of those last few games would "carry over" into 2015 and so they kept everyone.
The 2014 season had ramifications....it led to the wasting of everyone's time in 2015...the eventual money spree to free agents who would provide a one year cortisone zone with 11-5, but once that wore off, all of the problems they have had the last 7 years showed up.
how Fat-Mara in Charlotte thinks. Unless there is an actual recording, and even a video too, of the meeting between Mara, Accorsi, Gettleman, and Shurmur where Mara says his preference is for the organization to continue to ride with Eli, it simply can't be true.
Despite some pretty compelling circumstantial evidence to the contrary...
What did you want? The alternative was to forego Barkley and take one of the qb's in the draft not named Mayfield. There was no answer on the roster and please don't hand me the never-will-be's named Webb and Lauletta, neither of whom will smell a starting NFL job.
You guys carry on like playing Manning is some criminally negligent act. He was the only viable starting qb under contract, they drafted Barkley to spread the load and let Manning be more of a game manager instead of having to be the center of the offense. That is a reasonable approach.
And you know damn well I am no Mara booster. I don't think he's a dope; I think he wants to be too involved and will listen to anyone who is willing to play pretend GM with him with the result that he listened to Laurel and Hardy in the FO.
You are so defensive of the Giants. It’s a message board & the team has now missed the playoffs 6 of the last 7 years. Your act was fine in 2012, but it’s 2018 now & the franchise still sucks.
And I think the wheels came off after the 2013 season. It’s amazing how easily offended you get with any criticism of this organization.
He owns part of the team.....
RE: The first thing I would do is conduct a sham GM search Â
which would result in me hiring a bunch of familiar faces who like hanging out with. Then I would just sit back and enjoy the feeling of the silver spoon lodged wonderfully in my rectum.
I forgot. Gentleman was is such high demand that the only way to secure him was for Mara to bring in a ringer - Accorsi. Otherwise, our “wide search” would have taken us to lesser qualified candidates.
So we’re very fortunate that Mara got the best candidate available...right?
inferring that only hires who are sought after by a number of teams are the ones to target??
With that kind of logic, why didn't we ever hire the Old Ball Coach? You know, the one that was going to revolutionize NFL offense and lead the Redskins to a ton of titles?
If I remember correctly, you touted Snyder's acumen for hiring Spurrier. That worked out in aces.
I can't recall the date correctly, but whenever they let Coughlin go, I felt it was really unjustified to make no front office move.
The draft had been unproductive for years and I felt that if Coughlin had to go, someone prime with draft responsibilities needed to go as well.
The biggest mistake they made was not addressing the draft ineptitude earlier. They took way to many high risk / high reward players and didn't invest in any top 100 OL picks in many years.
On the flip side, while it takes more then one season, I was pleased to see this regime address the line early last year.
It is clear this family cannot get out of their own way
Wellington is gone, his foundation is gone and history dust.
We do not have a QB for future, oline, and defensive gaps. Not a recipe for future success. Remember these are the guys that hired McAdoo
Only guy that could save this franchise is a Saban type
Wellington is gone, his foundation is gone and history dust.
Not exactly a memory you want to invoke since Wellington was more or less personally responsible for the "15 years of lousy football" and his removal from the football side the impetus for getting George Young, Accorsi and Reese and the 4 SB Titles they brought the franchise.
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Wellington is gone, his foundation is gone and history dust.
Not exactly a memory you want to invoke since Wellington was more or less personally responsible for the "15 years of lousy football" and his removal from the football side the impetus for getting George Young, Accorsi and Reese and the 4 SB Titles they brought the franchise.
This what I was thinking....or more like a Jim Mora impersonation....
Foundation?! Foundation?! What foundation??? The one where we brought in Tarkenton and CZonka(giving up draft picks VOLUNTARILY)!? or the one where we moved from the Biggest city in the country to the swamps of Jersey? That Foundation?!
YAJ2112 : 11:22 am : link : reply
let it go
At least we haven't seen responses talking about doing a sham GM search, hiring all familiar faces and referencing a silver spoon lodged in a rectum.
And I think the wheels came off after the 2013 season. It’s amazing how easily offended you get with any criticism of this organization.
a) Best practices around the league regarding front office operations & GM/Head coach roles & responsibilities
b) a list of possible GM candidates that work within the framework laid out in a)
c)a list possible head coach candidates that work within the framework laid out in a)
2. Train all high level front office personnel in a) above
3. Interview candidates from the plan put together by the consultant.
4. Hire candidates that are most aligned with the findings in the report.
Sean : 12:30 pm : link : reply
You are so defensive of the Giants. It’s a message board & the team has now missed the playoffs 6 of the last 7 years. Your act was fine in 2012, but it’s 2018 now & the franchise still sucks.
And I think the wheels came off after the 2013 season. It’s amazing how easily offended you get with any criticism of this organization.
I'm reactive to moronic takes.
It's fine, and even rational to be critical of the team. It is ridiculous to just throw shade wherever and whenever because you're frustrated. When the team picks Barkley and is called incompetent and following through on a mandate by the owner, is that take supposed to be something to admire and agree with?
Being critical of the organization is wondering what the fuck we have been doing for the past several year's drafts, how we failed to improve the OL and our player evaluations as a whole, and how we haven't tried to get younger and cheaper at the QB position. It isn't making unfounded allegations about the owner making mandates, hiring a GM and coach to be yes-men, and having some tacit agreement to build around Eli.
People can be critical of the team without sounding like dumbasses or lunatics. Unfortunately, that rarely happens around here, and when it does, I generally agree with those posters.
Those two wins over the 3-13 Redskins would also tell me that the arrow is pointing up and happy days would soon be here if we simply stayed the course.
Despite some pretty compelling circumstantial evidence to the contrary...
Those two wins over the 3-13 Redskins would also tell me that the arrow is pointing up and happy days would soon be here if we simply stayed the course.
Haha. Damn.
I'd offer that a GM who stood up to his previous owner on how to treat veterans would fit the narrative of evidence, but since it directly opposes what the conspiracy theory is, it is ignored.
Basically, the Giants kept eli, probably more out of a financial decision than anything else and some fans aren't happy, so they turn it into a mandate from the owner in the best case scenario, and in teh worst case scenario, it is a backroom handshake agreement with Archie to have Eli ride off on a white horse as the team spends a couple of years building around him.
Just put on a tinfoil hat and make some jolly reference to Jints Central than discussing circumstantial evidence.
Look, I don't like Shurmur right now but I am willing to see if he can learn from his mistakes this year and realize what he has got and how he has to gameplan going forward. Gettleman has done a good job so far, not great. He had a great draft but his offseason moves can be criticized. Shurmur deserves one more year...Gettleman needs to be allowed to continue the rebuild of this roster! And there is still a lot of work to do there.
I'd offer that a GM who stood up to his previous owner on how to treat veterans would fit the narrative of evidence, but since it directly opposes what the conspiracy theory is, it is ignored.
Good for Gettleman. But he wasn't in demand when he hit the open GM market. Remind me of the other offers he received. You can't.
So it's not a leap to conclude that Gettleman wanted a another job as GM, and maybe even desperately. So when Accorsi made the call in the "search", and told him he could be the top candidate, the the way to differentiate himself and curry good favor with Mara was to be very pro-Eli.
Correct.
2013 you can just chalk out to a bad year where shit just goes crazy on you. But I would not have fired everyone just two years after winning the 2nd Super Bowl in 5 years.
However....my internal feeling has been that missing the playoffs 3 years in a row with a high quality QB means that some high level of change has to be made.
They went from 3-2 in 2014 to 3-9, with the 9th loss coming after they blew a 21-0 lead at Jacksonville. There was a game in there at home against the Colts where every part of the organizations failure the past few years showed up and should have sent sirens throughout.
But they got seduced by 4 meaningless games in December (sound familiar?) when Beckham went crazy and tricked them into thinking that the "momentum" of those last few games would "carry over" into 2015 and so they kept everyone.
The 2014 season had ramifications....it led to the wasting of everyone's time in 2015...the eventual money spree to free agents who would provide a one year cortisone zone with 11-5, but once that wore off, all of the problems they have had the last 7 years showed up.
Despite some pretty compelling circumstantial evidence to the contrary...
You guys carry on like playing Manning is some criminally negligent act. He was the only viable starting qb under contract, they drafted Barkley to spread the load and let Manning be more of a game manager instead of having to be the center of the offense. That is a reasonable approach.
And you know damn well I am no Mara booster. I don't think he's a dope; I think he wants to be too involved and will listen to anyone who is willing to play pretend GM with him with the result that he listened to Laurel and Hardy in the FO.
And I think the wheels came off after the 2013 season. It’s amazing how easily offended you get with any criticism of this organization.
He owns part of the team.....
This made me laugh. Well done.
He was out of a job for 6 months.
I guess that makes a guy desperate to bend to the wishes of the new owner just to draw a salary?? Such terrible takes.
So we’re very fortunate that Mara got the best candidate available...right?
With that kind of logic, why didn't we ever hire the Old Ball Coach? You know, the one that was going to revolutionize NFL offense and lead the Redskins to a ton of titles?
If I remember correctly, you touted Snyder's acumen for hiring Spurrier. That worked out in aces.
The draft had been unproductive for years and I felt that if Coughlin had to go, someone prime with draft responsibilities needed to go as well.
The biggest mistake they made was not addressing the draft ineptitude earlier. They took way to many high risk / high reward players and didn't invest in any top 100 OL picks in many years.
On the flip side, while it takes more then one season, I was pleased to see this regime address the line early last year.