Think that we may try and get a second #1 pick in 2020 by trading some of our picks in 2019. It will probably take that to get in position for our QB of the future will it not ? Otherwise we may not be able to get a QB for ELI to groom. Unless we totally suck next year again. See this team on the upswing but the future QB is huge.
Denver
NYG
JAX
Miami
Wash
Tampa
Oakland
Cincy
If Carr is gone, scratch a team off the list. If he stays scratch OAK off the list. Flacco may go to one of the teams, taking another off the market.
That cuts it to 6. Let’s say 3 QBs go in round 1 in 19. That cuts the list to 3 teams for 20.
I don’t think the Giants will have to give away the farm to get a QB if they wait until 2020.
Flacco is in his mid 30s and just got benched, he's not preventing any team from taking QB. I'd add NO, NE, SD and Pitt to that list. Maybe the Titans. Maybe Dallas. Hell even GB could be thinking about life after Rodgers, he'd be older than Favre was when they drafted him. One of the teams that drafted a QB the last two seasons may be back in the market as well. There could be another Smith like injury too.
Teams also trade up for QBs. They don't fall because of supply and demand like other positions do. I think it's more likely that we're picking in the 15-20 range of the first round in 2020 where the QB talent isn't likely to be better than what's available for us at 8-10 this year. In reality, the NFL is so volatile that it's impossible to handicap out 1.5 years. So neither of us really know. What I do know is that the Giants should be looking very hard at QB this year.
January 14th. I'd be really surprised if he passes up the chance to be one of the top two QBs drafted.
Also whose to say 2020 is going to be good? At one point Matt Barkley, Matt Leinart & Brady Quinn were projected to be #1 picks. Things change a lot in 16 months.
The good thing is Shurmur seems to know his QBs and can probably scout them well.
Quote:
It's actually a pretty solid QB class. Herbert, Haskins, Grier, Jones & Lock.
Also whose to say 2020 is going to be good? At one point Matt Barkley, Matt Leinart & Brady Quinn were projected to be #1 picks. Things change a lot in 16 months.
The good thing is Shurmur seems to know his QBs and can probably scout them well.
Hopefully he does. I think both Herbert & Haskins are going to do really well. Especially the one who gets to play with Saquon, Odell, Shep & Engram.
Just started watching Haskins and he's really grown on me. He's a stud. Might be better then Herbert who I've liked for 2 years now.
They'll be in a real good position to grab one if they lose these next two games which after yesterday seems very likely.
Says who?
Quote:
In comment 14223361 Big Rick in FL said:
Quote:
It's actually a pretty solid QB class. Herbert, Haskins, Grier, Jones & Lock.
Also whose to say 2020 is going to be good? At one point Matt Barkley, Matt Leinart & Brady Quinn were projected to be #1 picks. Things change a lot in 16 months.
The good thing is Shurmur seems to know his QBs and can probably scout them well.
Hopefully he does. I think both Herbert & Haskins are going to do really well. Especially the one who gets to play with Saquon, Odell, Shep & Engram.
Just started watching Haskins and he's really grown on me. He's a stud. Might be better then Herbert who I've liked for 2 years now.
Haskins has interest me as well as the year has gone on ... That guy is a heck of a passer
2. A team can somehow assure itself of being in position to draft the QB it wants 2 drafts from now.
We will draft a QB this year. We wasted picks on Nassib, Webb then Lauletta. We are in a much more dire situation today. If there is one we like in round 1 or 2 we'll take him.
As for point 2 above, just look at all the teams that would have loved to trade up for Mayfield or Darnold, but couldn't. (go back to the pre-draft and draft day threads). That's us. You cannot in any way count on being able to trade up and grab a QB. Lots of other teams will also want that QB.
Do you see any staff changes? Does Mara consider any greater shakeup? Does he at least give it a brief thought?
My guess is that they look at undervalued vets this offseason and build the trenches. They will hope to get more value out of the vet QB and keep building a team around him.
They will probably keep taking fliers in the later rounds and dumpster-dive in FA until they find the right guy, but I don't see a 1st round pick unless the right guy happens to fall to them (or really close).
Quote:
Who will probably be interested in a QB early in 19 or 20:
Denver
NYG
JAX
Miami
Wash
Tampa
Oakland
Cincy
If Carr is gone, scratch a team off the list. If he stays scratch OAK off the list. Flacco may go to one of the teams, taking another off the market.
That cuts it to 6. Let’s say 3 QBs go in round 1 in 19. That cuts the list to 3 teams for 20.
I don’t think the Giants will have to give away the farm to get a QB if they wait until 2020.
Flacco is in his mid 30s and just got benched, he's not preventing any team from taking QB. I'd add NO, NE, SD and Pitt to that list. Maybe the Titans. Maybe Dallas. Hell even GB could be thinking about life after Rodgers, he'd be older than Favre was when they drafted him. One of the teams that drafted a QB the last two seasons may be back in the market as well. There could be another Smith like injury too.
Teams also trade up for QBs. They don't fall because of supply and demand like other positions do. I think it's more likely that we're picking in the 15-20 range of the first round in 2020 where the QB talent isn't likely to be better than what's available for us at 8-10 this year. In reality, the NFL is so volatile that it's impossible to handicap out 1.5 years. So neither of us really know. What I do know is that the Giants should be looking very hard at QB this year.
If their guy is there in 19 so be it. My point is if the 20 draft is as QB rich as people say it is, the Giants shouldn’t have a problem getting one of them.
What if Tua blows out his knee? What if Fromm has a horrible 2019 season? There are too many variables to bank on getting a guy that far off in the distance.
Mike - you are very lucid these days. What gives? ;)
I get that there's Tua and Fromm, etc in 2020. But there really is no guarantee those guys are going to be studs either, and if our record is better, it will take even more draft capital to move up.
Let's say we have the 7th overall. I'd be willing to bet that we could send a 2020 1st to move up a few spots to get him.
Quote:
If the value is there they will take one. If not, they will look again in 2020. But I can almost certainly tell you that they will not sacrifice the 2019 draft to be in position to take a QB in 2020.
What if Tua blows out his knee? What if Fromm has a horrible 2019 season? There are too many variables to bank on getting a guy that far off in the distance.
Mike - you are very lucid these days. What gives? ;)
I must have found the right cocktail of meds!
Well, that's the right approach for '19.
Personally, I would draft a QB EVERY year. You just can't have enough talent at that position. The value is the best in the game - provides your team with a future or insurance if the starter goes down or trade bait.
Quote:
They can't rest on any laurels from this point until they find one ... and even then they might be looking for prospect to replace Lauletta. Football team rosters are rarely static for long.
Well, that's the right approach for '19.
Personally, I would draft a QB EVERY year. You just can't have enough talent at that position. The value is the best in the game - provides your team with a future or insurance if the starter goes down or trade bait.
Draft a Qb every year? And how are you going to prepare all of them to play?
Unless you plan on cutting one every year.
When he sees one he love he will pull the trigger and hopefully get the guy he wants.
Maybe there is a Mahomes?
They will improve next year to be about likely 7-9 8-8 team. They will not be giving away #1 picks and tons of draft picks to move up from mid to late teens to top 3 in draft. It would be idiotic.
They'll most likely, if i had to bet, go with Eli for awhile longer, because there's really no qb out there that will unseat him or better. If Eli should so happen to retire, then its journeymen qbs ala kent graham, danny kannell, etc
Build up lines, defense, and etc in meantime.
They will be giving up the farm to get one of those guys. Those two prospects are already super-hyped. The asking price will be two firsts to start with. Anybody who thinks the Giants can gently manage to get "their guy" in the draft of their choosing without being gouged is smoking some strong stuff.
Is it worth giving two firsts plus more to get the next Mahomes in 2020? Probably. But you are not getting off easy, I assure you. That is why you draft the QB when he is there for you. You don't arrogantly assume you can get the QB whenever it suits you, without overpaying.
Exactly. I never understand how people just think because we want a particular QB in the draft in 2020 we'll be able to get him.
I don't care much about size if they're at least around 6 feet tall. He's listed at 6'2. I'm assuming its a little generous. I think he'll be ok height size when its all said and done.
On film, his throws can look a little slow. Daniel Jeremiah of nfl.com has seen him throw in person and said his arm is strong.
AND i'm not sure if he rises up like Mayfield... i dream of picking a dominant linemen on either side and possibly trading back up to snag him. Definitely wishful thinking.
Mayfield and Grier both have elite ball placement; guys who look like they can literally put the ball anywhere they want usually translate...to me. Just an opinion.
Guy named Matt Waldman does some good quarterback film reviews on Youtube. Had mostly good things to say on Grier.
I get that there's Tua and Fromm, etc in 2020. But there really is no guarantee those guys are going to be studs either, and if our record is better, it will take even more draft capital to move up.
Let's say we have the 7th overall. I'd be willing to bet that we could send a 2020 1st to move up a few spots to get him.
I do agree with that sure were not a great team but a few bounces here and there we could have won the division
this year there are plenty of middling teams were one
of them .
Quote:
prospect, has all the tools, smart kid, good arm, seems to have the intangibles. If he declares and knocks the pre draft process out of the park, my gut feeling is he's our target.
I get that there's Tua and Fromm, etc in 2020. But there really is no guarantee those guys are going to be studs either, and if our record is better, it will take even more draft capital to move up.
Let's say we have the 7th overall. I'd be willing to bet that we could send a 2020 1st to move up a few spots to get him.
I do agree with that sure were not a great team but a few bounces here and there we could have won the division
this year there are plenty of middling teams were one
of them .
Herbert, if he continues to be the top QB in the draft will probably go first. I don't think you get to 1st from 7th for a 2019 1 and a 2020 1. The Jets moved up three spots from 6 to 3 for a first and three 2's.
So will Tom Brady.
Build the OL around Barkley with the draft...grab an edge rusher too, let Vernon walk.
Perhaps that is the way we should go, thoughts?
It’s just due diligence. Gettleman also logged 4 or 5 interviews with Sam Darnold, as well as other QBs last draft, and passed.
Build the OL around Barkley with the draft...grab an edge rusher too, let Vernon walk.
Perhaps that is the way we should go, thoughts?
Kerry Collins is 45. Forget it. He's older than Eli.