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Pat Shurmur today on Eli Manning's future as a QB

nyjuggernaut2 : 12/17/2018 3:01 pm
"I think he has years left as an NFL starter".

Question now is, will those years be with the Giants or with some other NFL team?
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Need to move forward..  
Sean : 12/17/2018 3:03 pm : link
Look what the Ravens are doing. Eli has become a large cloud over the franchise.
Whats he going to say?  
The_Boss : 12/17/2018 3:05 pm : link
I think Eli is finished?

What he says in December is meaningless. Actions in the spring will speak volumes.

That said, Eli is probably under center week 1 in September 2019.
he does have years left  
GeneInCal : 12/17/2018 3:05 pm : link
Eli had bad games 10 years ago. Big deal. People are totally overreacting. The guy can still play. The O-line is a patchwork mess, fix that, or at least make it competent and we'll compete. Our defense sucks too but that's not flashy headlining material for the papers and these Madden type 'fans" but into it hook line and sinker....
RE: Need to move forward..  
GeneInCal : 12/17/2018 3:06 pm : link
In comment 14223615 Sean said:
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Look what the Ravens are doing. Eli has become a large cloud over the franchise.


Why, because Jordan Raaaaaanaaaan and other dopes say so?
"years"  
Greg from LI : 12/17/2018 3:08 pm : link
aahahahahaha
We have too many holes to just go  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/17/2018 3:08 pm : link
out and get a QB.

If the value is there when we pick sure grab him, but it's not we have so many other spots we can fill it's not a big deal.

I don't like this crop of QBs as much as last years. 2020 is a year where if we suck again we trade the farm for someone like Tua or Fromm.
I didnt realize  
Les in TO : 12/17/2018 3:08 pm : link
Dope was legal in New Jersey
RE: RE: Need to move forward..  
Sean : 12/17/2018 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14223623 GeneInCal said:
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Look what the Ravens are doing. Eli has become a large cloud over the franchise.



Why, because Jordan Raaaaaanaaaan and other dopes say so?


Because the results suck?
RE: We have too many holes to just go  
The_Boss : 12/17/2018 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14223625 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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out and get a QB.

If the value is there when we pick sure grab him, but it's not we have so many other spots we can fill it's not a big deal.

I don't like this crop of QBs as much as last years. 2020 is a year where if we suck again we trade the farm for someone like Tua or Fromm.


If I had to guess, Im thinking were selling multiple premium picks over a couple of drafts for Tua or Fromm in 2020 as well.
RE: Need to move forward..  
section125 : 12/17/2018 3:11 pm : link
In comment 14223615 Sean said:
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Look what the Ravens are doing. Eli has become a large cloud over the franchise.


Yeah with Lamar Jackson....
RE: he does have years left  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/17/2018 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14223621 GeneInCal said:
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Eli had bad games 10 years ago. Big deal. People are totally overreacting. The guy can still play. The O-line is a patchwork mess, fix that, or at least make it competent and we'll compete. Our defense sucks too but that's not flashy headlining material for the papers and these Madden type 'fans" but into it hook line and sinker....


the "flashy headlining material" is 0 points scored, yes.
RE: RE: We have too many holes to just go  
TommyWiseau : 12/17/2018 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14223633 The_Boss said:
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out and get a QB.

If the value is there when we pick sure grab him, but it's not we have so many other spots we can fill it's not a big deal.

I don't like this crop of QBs as much as last years. 2020 is a year where if we suck again we trade the farm for someone like Tua or Fromm.



If I had to guess, Im thinking were selling multiple premium picks over a couple of drafts for Tua or Fromm in 2020 as well.


Or move down in round 1 to get future picks. Either way. Get our QB of the future and let him learn behind Eli and hopfully a much improved Oline
I dont  
darren in pdx : 12/17/2018 3:15 pm : link
think he was as bad as most will knee-jerk to like usual, but the real reason they lost was the lack of running game. He put a surprising amount of passes right on the money in shitty weather. But you cant rely on the passing game in those kind of conditions because drops are going to happen and the ball isnt going to release normally. Marriota didnt have to do much at all.

They sorely missed OBJ, just having him as a decoy wouldve helped the run game a lot. But really the team isnt there yet, not really upset or surprised by the loss. The defense being noncompetitive was more frustrating.

That said, I wouldnt be surprised that next year is Elis last, but I also think they need to get the next guy up soon as possible to get back to playoff competition, whomever or however that is.
If Eli gave a damn about the Giants...  
silverfox : 12/17/2018 3:16 pm : link
... he'd retire or take one hell of a pay cut.
IIRC, early in Eli's career, Simms didn't like him as a QB  
81_Great_Dane : 12/17/2018 3:16 pm : link
because he said Eli was "wild," like a pitcher being wild -- not always in control of his throws. There's always been some of that with Eli. He's not always precise and sometimes his throws are WAYYYY off target. But when he's on, he's really on. Yesterday I think we saw "wild" Eli. Recently we've seen more of good Eli.

Both are real. He is who he is. You take the good with the bad. We all know what's good and what's bad about the guy at this point. If the GM and HC feel the bad outweighs the good, and there's a better alternative, Eli will be gone.
They need to plan for the future.  
Big Blue '56 : 12/17/2018 3:17 pm : link
Right now? Continue to fix the OL, fill in the D and yes, Eli can have years left. Certainly groom the heir-apparent
RE: We have too many holes to just go  
Eli Wilson : 12/17/2018 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14223625 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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out and get a QB.

If the value is there when we pick sure grab him, but it's not we have so many other spots we can fill it's not a big deal.

I don't like this crop of QBs as much as last years. 2020 is a year where if we suck again we trade the farm for someone like Tua or Fromm.


+1

Too many holes to fill to grab a QB in round one, unless it is ridiculous value. OL, ER, S, LB all are much bigger problem areas than QB. And we need a lot of them.

Hopefully some of those areas we can cover in FA, but if not, QB may need to wait another year at least.
RE:  
GeneInCal : 12/17/2018 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14223624 Greg from LI said:
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aahahahahaha


jorts

ahahahahhahahaha
Pat Shurmur was the wrong hire...  
bw in dc : 12/17/2018 3:21 pm : link
by he wrong GM, who was hired by the old GM, who was hired by the wrong owner, who strongly believed Eli was still the solution at QB.

So that begs the question - is this the latest mandate from Ole John?

The only real question driving the debate  
BlackLight : 12/17/2018 3:26 pm : link
is whether there's a viable replacement that's going to be coming available this offseason. Any free agents or draft picks who are clearly better options (or have a chance to become so)?

Until the answer is yes, we ride with Eli.
Eli is going to be the QB till he retires  
AdamBrag : 12/17/2018 3:26 pm : link
After McAdoo was fired for benching Eli, Shurmur isn't going to bench Eli unless he gets injured.
Lmao this thread wouldn't be complete until  
JCin332 : 12/17/2018 3:28 pm : link
good ole bw showed up...

The gift that keeps on giving...
Regardless of what you think of that answer  
Mike from Ohio : 12/17/2018 3:29 pm : link
Wasn't that exactly what he had to say? In other words, that statement would be the same if he believed it, or thought Eli was done.
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Diver_Down : 12/17/2018 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14223633 The_Boss said:
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out and get a QB.

If the value is there when we pick sure grab him, but it's not we have so many other spots we can fill it's not a big deal.

I don't like this crop of QBs as much as last years. 2020 is a year where if we suck again we trade the farm for someone like Tua or Fromm.



If I had to guess, Im thinking were selling multiple premium picks over a couple of drafts for Tua or Fromm in 2020 as well.


Don't discount players. OBJ would have a dead cap hit of $12M if traded during the 2020 draft. The $2.75M portion of his salary that is guaranteed for that year would be the responsibility of trading team. Our #1 and OBJ should vault us to the top.
I'd say the Giants of the past 7 seasons  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/17/2018 3:30 pm : link
are the gift that keep on giving. So many hilarious mistakes on the field and off. NFC East is laughing their ass off at the losers this franchise become.
RE: If Eli gave a damn about the Giants...  
Rjanyg : 12/17/2018 3:31 pm : link
In comment 14223653 silverfox said:
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... he'd retire or take one hell of a pay cut.


I am thinking Eli feels those 2 Lombardi Trophies are worth the 16 Million in base salary he is making next year.
RE: Whats he going to say?  
micky : 12/17/2018 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14223619 The_Boss said:
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I think Eli is finished?

What he says in December is meaningless. Actions in the spring will speak volumes.

That said, Eli is probably under center week 1 in September 2019.


And well beyond. Going to be next to impossible to replace him on that no other qbs out there are any better, he wants to be a ny giant for his entire career, and the emotional attachment this org has for him, and the reprecussions they face (as we've seen) and uproar Mara and co. if they try to replace him. Mara may fear the last one
RE: If Eli gave a damn about the Giants...  
Diver_Down : 12/17/2018 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14223653 silverfox said:
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... he'd retire or take one hell of a pay cut.


Eli doesn't owe the Giants a damn thing. If I was him, I wait for my $5M roster bonus to be paid. Then he can mull whether to retire. If no QB is drafted a month later, then he should announce his retirement and leave the Giants with Noodle Arm and Tanney and a cap hit of $11.2M sitting on the books. But at least the Giants wouldn't have to worry about mortgaging the future drafts to pick Tua/Fromm in 2020. They most certainly would have the #1 pick.
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/17/2018 3:37 pm : link
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out and get a QB.

If the value is there when we pick sure grab him, but it's not we have so many other spots we can fill it's not a big deal.

I don't like this crop of QBs as much as last years. 2020 is a year where if we suck again we trade the farm for someone like Tua or Fromm.



If I had to guess, Im thinking were selling multiple premium picks over a couple of drafts for Tua or Fromm in 2020 as well.



Don't discount players. OBJ would have a dead cap hit of $12M if traded during the 2020 draft. The $2.75M portion of his salary that is guaranteed for that year would be the responsibility of trading team. Our #1 and OBJ should vault us to the top.


OBJ is not getting traded. Your not going to draft a QB, and leave him without that kind of a weapon.
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Diver_Down : 12/17/2018 3:39 pm : link
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out and get a QB.

If the value is there when we pick sure grab him, but it's not we have so many other spots we can fill it's not a big deal.

I don't like this crop of QBs as much as last years. 2020 is a year where if we suck again we trade the farm for someone like Tua or Fromm.



If I had to guess, Im thinking were selling multiple premium picks over a couple of drafts for Tua or Fromm in 2020 as well.



Don't discount players. OBJ would have a dead cap hit of $12M if traded during the 2020 draft. The $2.75M portion of his salary that is guaranteed for that year would be the responsibility of trading team. Our #1 and OBJ should vault us to the top.



OBJ is not getting traded. Your not going to draft a QB, and leave him without that kind of a weapon.


Sounds crazy, but so is the certainty that he won't be traded. Since paying him, he has been called out by the owner through the media. OBJ continues to give injury updates through social media despite the HC telling him not to. And once again, we have another season where he doesn't suit up for 16 games.
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/17/2018 3:42 pm : link
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out and get a QB.

If the value is there when we pick sure grab him, but it's not we have so many other spots we can fill it's not a big deal.

I don't like this crop of QBs as much as last years. 2020 is a year where if we suck again we trade the farm for someone like Tua or Fromm.



If I had to guess, Im thinking were selling multiple premium picks over a couple of drafts for Tua or Fromm in 2020 as well.



Don't discount players. OBJ would have a dead cap hit of $12M if traded during the 2020 draft. The $2.75M portion of his salary that is guaranteed for that year would be the responsibility of trading team. Our #1 and OBJ should vault us to the top.



OBJ is not getting traded. Your not going to draft a QB, and leave him without that kind of a weapon.



Sounds crazy, but so is the certainty that he won't be traded. Since paying him, he has been called out by the owner through the media. OBJ continues to give injury updates through social media despite the HC telling him not to. And once again, we have another season where he doesn't suit up for 16 games.


Please provide a source for thi:

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OBJ continues to give injury updates through social media despite the HC telling him not to


He's a WR by the way, they get nicked up from time to time. I would never doubt his want to play and even practice as he loves it.
Shocking.  
Britt in VA : 12/17/2018 3:45 pm : link
Didn't see that coming.
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Diver_Down : 12/17/2018 3:48 pm : link
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out and get a QB.

If the value is there when we pick sure grab him, but it's not we have so many other spots we can fill it's not a big deal.

I don't like this crop of QBs as much as last years. 2020 is a year where if we suck again we trade the farm for someone like Tua or Fromm.



If I had to guess, Im thinking were selling multiple premium picks over a couple of drafts for Tua or Fromm in 2020 as well.



Don't discount players. OBJ would have a dead cap hit of $12M if traded during the 2020 draft. The $2.75M portion of his salary that is guaranteed for that year would be the responsibility of trading team. Our #1 and OBJ should vault us to the top.



OBJ is not getting traded. Your not going to draft a QB, and leave him without that kind of a weapon.



Sounds crazy, but so is the certainty that he won't be traded. Since paying him, he has been called out by the owner through the media. OBJ continues to give injury updates through social media despite the HC telling him not to. And once again, we have another season where he doesn't suit up for 16 games.



Please provide a source for thi:



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OBJ continues to give injury updates through social media despite the HC telling him not to



He's a WR by the way, they get nicked up from time to time. I would never doubt his want to play and even practice as he loves it.


I'm not going to track down beat reporters links and pressers just to prove my point. Pat stated in his PC last week that Odell shouldn't be providing injury updates to the media. He was downplaying OBJ's status all week. OBJ goes ahead and makes the comment on social media (I don't know what platform. I don't follow him.) that "it ain't right". Saying he was getting scans and now he stated it was a hematoma. If you are interested, you can google "OBJ hematoma" and be entertained.
Draft someone better and this becomes a mute point  
larryflower37 : 12/17/2018 3:49 pm : link
The problem is the team needs to draft someone who is capable of taking his job.
Spend the first round pick and let them come in and compete.
It will become self-evident.
It's the first I heard of it  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/17/2018 3:49 pm : link
please provide a source, as we have not discussed it here in great lengths at all.

I'm sure its news to others as well.
It is important to not look desparate  
edavisiii : 12/17/2018 3:51 pm : link
Teams will try to jump over you in the draft, plus there might not be any studs this year. Do you want to force it and draft the next Brady Quinn? We have 11 picks, maybe 12. Strengthen the OL and DL and go fro there.
And I do know  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/17/2018 3:52 pm : link
about the Hematoma. What I haven't heard is that Shurmur acknowledged OBJ was disobeying a direct order from him.
RE: It's the first I heard of it  
Diver_Down : 12/17/2018 3:53 pm : link
In comment 14223716 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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please provide a source, as we have not discussed it here in great lengths at all.

I'm sure its news to others as well.


It was discussed. OBJ writes a letter to himself on a Facebook Watch episode referencing him being called out.
I hope you are entertained. - ( New Window )
Bench him for who?  
HomerJones45 : 12/17/2018 3:55 pm : link
Webb? He's a practice squad player or are some of you still under the delusion that he is an heir apparent.

Lauletta? He'll be joining Webb on someone's practice squad. maybe. We saw what he can do- suck. More likely he gets the axe and is OOF soon.

Tanney? Be serious.

Manning is the only viable starting caliber qb on the roster the last two seasons.

Did you want to draft Darnold, Rosen, Allen etc. instead of Barkley? Didn't think so.
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Britt in VA : 12/17/2018 3:56 pm : link
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Deal with it, Giants fans: Eli Manning is their best and most likely option to be the starting QB in 2019

Here's why, and why all the other options don't come close:

Why Eli Manning is the best option the Giants have at QB next year - ( New Window )
I could totally see the Giants trading him over something like that  
jcn56 : 12/17/2018 3:57 pm : link
They don't know what the fuck they're doing these days, a move like that would fit right in.
I like cold beer and pizza...  
EricJ : 12/17/2018 3:58 pm : link
that's all...
So there wasn't an extensive list of  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/17/2018 3:58 pm : link
articles there was one from NJ.com and another from the Post.

Neither says that Shurmur was upset.

Was it inferred? Yes. Is it reasonable to think that way? Yes.

At the end of the day though, there is no credible source saying that Shurmur directly spoke to OBJ, and that he was reprimanded for it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: We have too many holes to just go  
ron mexico : 12/17/2018 4:05 pm : link
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out and get a QB.

If the value is there when we pick sure grab him, but it's not we have so many other spots we can fill it's not a big deal.

I don't like this crop of QBs as much as last years. 2020 is a year where if we suck again we trade the farm for someone like Tua or Fromm.



If I had to guess, Im thinking were selling multiple premium picks over a couple of drafts for Tua or Fromm in 2020 as well.



Don't discount players. OBJ would have a dead cap hit of $12M if traded during the 2020 draft. The $2.75M portion of his salary that is guaranteed for that year would be the responsibility of trading team. Our #1 and OBJ should vault us to the top.



OBJ is not getting traded. Your not going to draft a QB, and leave him without that kind of a weapon.



Sounds crazy, but so is the certainty that he won't be traded. Since paying him, he has been called out by the owner through the media. OBJ continues to give injury updates through social media despite the HC telling him not to. And once again, we have another season where he doesn't suit up for 16 games.



Please provide a source for thi:



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OBJ continues to give injury updates through social media despite the HC telling him not to



He's a WR by the way, they get nicked up from time to time. I would never doubt his want to play and even practice as he loves it.



I'm not going to track down beat reporters links and pressers just to prove my point. Pat stated in his PC last week that Odell shouldn't be providing injury updates to the media. He was downplaying OBJ's status all week. OBJ goes ahead and makes the comment on social media (I don't know what platform. I don't follow him.) that "it ain't right". Saying he was getting scans and now he stated it was a hematoma. If you are interested, you can google "OBJ hematoma" and be entertained.


This is all so out of whack. You have things way out of order and are misquoting PS. I would correct you but whats the point.


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BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/17/2018 4:05 pm : link
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out and get a QB.

If the value is there when we pick sure grab him, but it's not we have so many other spots we can fill it's not a big deal.

I don't like this crop of QBs as much as last years. 2020 is a year where if we suck again we trade the farm for someone like Tua or Fromm.



If I had to guess, Im thinking were selling multiple premium picks over a couple of drafts for Tua or Fromm in 2020 as well.



Don't discount players. OBJ would have a dead cap hit of $12M if traded during the 2020 draft. The $2.75M portion of his salary that is guaranteed for that year would be the responsibility of trading team. Our #1 and OBJ should vault us to the top.



OBJ is not getting traded. Your not going to draft a QB, and leave him without that kind of a weapon.



Sounds crazy, but so is the certainty that he won't be traded. Since paying him, he has been called out by the owner through the media. OBJ continues to give injury updates through social media despite the HC telling him not to. And once again, we have another season where he doesn't suit up for 16 games.



Please provide a source for thi:



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OBJ continues to give injury updates through social media despite the HC telling him not to



He's a WR by the way, they get nicked up from time to time. I would never doubt his want to play and even practice as he loves it.



I'm not going to track down beat reporters links and pressers just to prove my point. Pat stated in his PC last week that Odell shouldn't be providing injury updates to the media. He was downplaying OBJ's status all week. OBJ goes ahead and makes the comment on social media (I don't know what platform. I don't follow him.) that "it ain't right". Saying he was getting scans and now he stated it was a hematoma. If you are interested, you can google "OBJ hematoma" and be entertained.



This is all so out of whack. You have things way out of order and are misquoting PS. I would correct you but whats the point.



Exactly Mr. Mexico!
Jints Central is insane  
Bill2 : 12/17/2018 4:11 pm : link
that's why I keep posting about their insanity year after year on insane threads on a message board.

The definition of insanity is repeating what will not work as if repeating the habit will produce a different result

That's why I have to keep posting. About Them. The insane ones.
I've wasted more time than I had to.  
Diver_Down : 12/17/2018 4:12 pm : link
The week leading up to Skins, Pat downplays OBJ's status. That Friday, OBJ had an interview in front of his locker talking about scans and "it ain't right". Obviously, OBJ is out for the skins. Mid-week presser for Pat during Titans week, Pat opens the presser with an an injury update. In that presser, he mentions that his update is all the media will get.

Now, I'm not going to belabor the point. As I already wasted more time on that dumpster fire of a website that Nilay strung together than I care too. You can listen for yourself.
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Sure, the best option is Eli...  
bw in dc : 12/17/2018 4:14 pm : link
So let's roll out the 38 year old QB, going on 39, with an average arm, more indecisive than ever, more immobile than ever, and needs more help than ever on both sides of the ball to be average.

Anyone want to bet we don't break six wins again?
RE: Jints Central is insane  
jcn56 : 12/17/2018 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14223751 Bill2 said:
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that's why I keep posting about their insanity year after year on insane threads on a message board.

The definition of insanity is repeating what will not work as if repeating the habit will produce a different result

That's why I have to keep posting. About Them. The insane ones.


You OK Bill? You do realize that people post to vent, not because they think the team is going to take action?

Plus, nobody thinks the Giants are insane. Incompetent is more like it, and the results are exhibit A.
agreed my friend  
Bill2 : 12/17/2018 4:18 pm : link
what I dont get is the repetition of venting. That's the part I dont understand.

Venting is fun and necessary. I'm not sure what getting stuck in the vent does for health or results?

Anyway, separate from all this stuff...Happy Holidays to you jcn
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