The big physical 50/50 receiver, he will be fine, it's even more important than a good oline. If not we have move on to a mobile QB for our crap wco offense and coach and Monsoon Stadium.
Unfortunately I don't see a good prospect out there.
are the gift that keep on giving. So many hilarious mistakes on the field and off. NFC East is laughing their ass off at the losers this franchise become.
The week leading up to Skins, Pat downplays OBJ's status. That Friday, OBJ had an interview in front of his locker talking about scans and "it ain't right". Obviously, OBJ is out for the skins. Mid-week presser for Pat during Titans week, Pat opens the presser with an an injury update. In that presser, he mentions that his update is all the media will get.
Now, I'm not going to belabor the point. As I already wasted more time on that dumpster fire of a website that Nilay strung together than I care too. You can listen for yourself. Pat gives the injury update and only Pat. - ( New Window )
Your timeline is off
The "it aint right" interview was well after he was ruled out for washington. he gave vague answers and clearly wasn't breaking any news.
in fact I hated the pick when it was made. However, judging him on last week is beyond stupid. Eli sucked ass for 3 and a half years.
Yes, I would still take Darnold in a heart beat. 21 year kid who looks to be a good one in a few years. I'll bet the Jets wouldn't trade him for Barkley straight up. If they keep kicking the can down the road on Eli, the team will be mediocre at best for the next 4-5 years - by then Barkley's best days will be long gone.
IF the OL and run game is top notch A1 dang near perfect .... otherwise no it will not work. Oh and his WRs needs (at least 1) to be a top 7 talent (league wise).
So let's roll out the 38 year old QB, going on 39, with an average arm, more indecisive than ever, more immobile than ever, and needs more help than ever on both sides of the ball to be average.
then that will just be adding to the mess. Barkley was the right choice last April. Eli has always needed and O Line and a defense to help win games. Have you ben watching the team for the last 15 years?
The strength of the draft is Defense and there will be a great Edge or DL when we pick.
It's identifying that the organization is broken, how it's broken, and what is going to be needed to fix it. It's often assumed the people in charge are extremely competent and are more qualified to do the job they're doing. I don't think that's true. I think incompetence is all over the NFL, and the only advantage the people in those front offices have is a list of contacts in Outlook (or in Gettleman's case, a Rolodex).
I'm not a season ticket holder so I don't have much power, but if I were I'd sell my tickets to fans of the opposing team. I'm hoping the last game of the season is a Cowboy home game. That's the kind of shit that gets Mara's attention.
Or just speaking to the media. I think I believe less than 1% of what coaches tell the media. Especially our best reporters who may be the worst in the business.
My friend, we agree that much is broken. More importantly, there are many doubts and risks.
But, imho, most importantly, there is a lot of vital information we do not know that prevents the scope of the analysis many posters try to assert.
So venting yes. When it comes to asserting we are analyzing, I think we are more limited than we would like to believe. That's true of all human endeavor since it is so easy to torture data into confessing that our feelings are valid. Nor are we likely to correct for the bias we attach to information and context we do not know
Here is what I think we do know:
1) To me the signs of a decline trend were evident in 2009 ( I consider 2011 an anomaly). I think the key to success or failure in the Eli era was abundantly available in the 2008 games against Cleveland.
2) There is a cap.
3) Interpretation of where you stand on the scale of NFl dominance is so skewed by a few plays and injuries that its a hard assessment to make
4) Replacing an often uninjured franchise QB oft asked to be a difference maker in a poor system is fraught with few success stories in NFL history. This era was always going to happen.
5) There are few known paths to sustained ( as in 3 years)NFl success without a franchise QB and better than average lines.
6) I cannot go overboard on a FO who is not yet in place 10 months and who inherited a mess so great I think that even 3 wins last year masks how bad they were.
7) Lastly, some analysis that is oft claimed as "clear" and Simple" is simply unknowable conjecture.
For example, I personally think the Maras where living in an updraft of factoid claims in an echo chamber from their Gm. For far too long. But thats my opinion based on finding no other good explanation for the last several years. I submit this year and next are properly considered a tax on the past.
But what no one knows is what Mara did about it. Once the mess was clear and the veil oof misinformation penetrated..We do not know if he asked permission to talk to BB or Harbaugh. We do not know what non media named expertise he asked or talked to. We do not know what GM or coaching offers were attempted and not won for factors beyond reasonable control. We do not know how may more outsiders and or other analytics now enter the decision matrix that were not there before last year.
Now, before you slam back that i am fishing in speculation for the purpose of praising Mara...I will not tell you...but I am telling you...you dont know. Period. Full Stop.
For venting to be analysis it has to have reasonable context, reasonable benchmarks to set reasonable expectations.
More importantly...in a Game rigged to the mean with the second most important variable being human motivation on the 53...interpretation requires time.
Most of all for analysis to be as sweeping as some of our venters claim...it has to have information we do not have.
Personally, I fear we will repeat the unending muck between Tittle and LT. But thats a fear. Its not even close to an analysis or even reasoned reasonable argumentation.
Take care Go Terps. Happy Holidays. I enjoy your perspectives and expect to next year as well.
are about to move on from Joe Flacco. This is a guy whose won a super bowl for them in 2012 the year after Eli. He’s 33 years old. Younger then Eli. Has made the playoffs 6 times the last 10 years Eli has made it 3 times in that span. And the ravens Drafted Lamar Jackson this year a QB whose is playing now and playing well and was the 4th quarterback taken. So with that said why can’t the giants draft a QB like Dwayne Haskins who can take Eli’s job at some point next year? And yet I have to hear how this QB class sucks and how Eli is the best option it’s hot garbage
You're right that we don't know everything that went on behind the scenes. For example, I would hope and expect that Mara is contacting Belichick every offseason about coming to the Giants. Rejection is fine, but IMO he has to ask every offseason. That's obviously not the kind of thing that is going to come out in public, and I haven't criticized Mara for not having publicly approached Belichick. That's not something we know.
But there are things we do know:
1. The Giants had a 42-54 record entering this season since they won the Super Bowl in 2011. We know the 2011 team was deeply flawed, got hot at the right time, and was by no means a model for future team development.
2. This was an enormous offseason where multiple factors lined up serendipitously to allow ownership to redefine the direction of the franchise. Each of these occurred:
- GM fired before end of 2017 season
- Head Coach fired before end of 2017 season
- #2 pick in the draft
- QB rich draft
- Eli had an out in his contract
It's a rare thing to have an opportunity to cleanly start over at GM, head coach, and quarterback at the same time. If the Giants were a tanker to be turned around, Mara had the chance to turn the full 180 degrees in a single offseason.
This was the opportunity to set the course for a new, ambitious future defined by innovative thinking at GM & HC, and inexpensive youth at QB.
Instead, we now have enormous questions at GM, HC, and QB.
The size of the opportunity wasted is, within the context of the NFL, difficult to quantify.
I fully expect the Giants to go hard for a QB in the draft. If there is one they covet Eli will not prevent them from drafting him. I expect Eli to be back next season as the starter but he will be mentoring a QB hopefully Herbert.
I think incompetence is all over the NFL, and the only advantage the people in those front offices have is a list of contacts in Outlook (or in Gettleman's case, a Rolodex).
The Giants like all functional corporations take customer sentiment into account. We're talking about an owner that reads fan mail.
You can vote with your dollars, or on in social media, or BBI. When the tenor of the fan base erupts it's heard. The beats take the temp of the fans, the coaches field the questions. The management hears the coaches.
The fans got McAdoo fired last year. Try on for size if the fan reaction would have been, "well the team is bottomed out, let's see of Geno fairs any better."
You're right that we don't know everything that went on behind the scenes. For example, I would hope and expect that Mara is contacting Belichick every offseason about coming to the Giants. Rejection is fine, but IMO he has to ask every offseason. That's obviously not the kind of thing that is going to come out in public, and I haven't criticized Mara for not having publicly approached Belichick. That's not something we know.
But there are things we do know:
1. The Giants had a 42-54 record entering this season since they won the Super Bowl in 2011. We know the 2011 team was deeply flawed, got hot at the right time, and was by no means a model for future team development.
2. This was an enormous offseason where multiple factors lined up serendipitously to allow ownership to redefine the direction of the franchise. Each of these occurred:
- GM fired before end of 2017 season
- Head Coach fired before end of 2017 season
- #2 pick in the draft
- QB rich draft
- Eli had an out in his contract
It's a rare thing to have an opportunity to cleanly start over at GM, head coach, and quarterback at the same time. If the Giants were a tanker to be turned around, Mara had the chance to turn the full 180 degrees in a single offseason.
This was the opportunity to set the course for a new, ambitious future defined by innovative thinking at GM & HC, and inexpensive youth at QB.
Instead, we now have enormous questions at GM, HC, and QB.
The size of the opportunity wasted is, within the context of the NFL, difficult to quantify.
Not to speak for Bill, but the issue I have with the above is
1. Barkley over Darnold is still a tough, tough question to answer and may well be 2 years from now. I don't think you can say the wrong choice was made at this point. I certainly don't think you can make it as emphatically as you do.
2. Many of us like the GM. You may think he is a dinosaur but I don't think there's a lot of fact to support that and in fact there are facts that refute it both from Carolina and the Giants. Certainly he had an excellent draft and a shaky free agency but that could yet change for either. This season proves nothing...the team improved a bit from last year for sure but it was never likely to be a one year turnaround. The best we could hope for was meaningful December ball...I'm not really sure we got that but we were not far off.
3. I think the coach has been shaky with time management and wider play calling. The team has played hard for him though and he gets another year to improve.
Mara cleaned house. He didn't go too far outside the organisation but Gettleman was enormously well thought of from his time here as PPD. You shouldn't write him off inside of one year.
If the value is there when we pick sure grab him, but it's not we have so many other spots we can fill it's not a big deal.
I don't like this crop of QBs as much as last years. 2020 is a year where if we suck again we trade the farm for someone like Tua or Fromm.
If I had to guess, I’m thinking we’re selling multiple premium picks over a couple of drafts for Tua or Fromm in 2020 as well.
Don't discount players. OBJ would have a dead cap hit of $12M if traded during the 2020 draft. The $2.75M portion of his salary that is guaranteed for that year would be the responsibility of trading team. Our #1 and OBJ should vault us to the top.
Trade one of your best players because you took too long to find a QB, and potentially passed on one twice.
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Mara cleaned house. He didn't go too far outside the organisation but Gettleman was enormously well thought of from his time here as PPD. You shouldn't write him off inside of one year.
Agreed.
This team was rotten to the core. While the FO offered hope to the fans, they knew they needed to clean house and did so.
No doubt a replacement QB is needed soon if not now, but the oline is far more decrepit than Eli and a decent oline allows time for the Giants to find a suitable QB while giving Eli a chance to win. This was never a 1 year rebuild and is likely a three year job.
- GM fired before end of 2017 season
- Head Coach fired before end of 2017 season
- #2 pick in the draft
- QB rich draft
- Eli had an out in his contract
He also told Eli he needed to play better to keep his job.
Let the season play out, lets see what they do in the draft.
If they want a QB it just hurts them to say anything other than what PS said.
This. What do you want him to say? It's a presser, who cares, actions will speak for themselves in the off-season. Let morons like Boomer and Gio (he's almost as bad as carton) lose their minds over this!
- GM fired before end of 2017 season
- Head Coach fired before end of 2017 season
- #2 pick in the draft
- QB rich draft
- Eli had an out in his contract
the "out"?
Eli never had the "out". The Giants did with the roster bonus. The final 2 years of Eli's contract were essentially team options. The timing of the RB is such that Eli wouldn't miss out on the initial wave of FA in the event the team didn't pay.
but he gutted away how many losers and horrific players from the Reese era? It took Reese 8 years to ruin this franchise. DG gets at least one more year for me. He is building something on the OL/DL that I am curious to see how it ends.
We dont have one player on the OL that was drafted by Reese on the team. We have one player on the DL that Reese drafted. We have 1 LB and 1 DB on the roster that Reese drafted. It was that bad people.
He won't, but if Mara opted to fired both Gettleman and Shurmur it would be well deserved. They've been an embarrassment in year 1.
This statement is just so far off from reality...surely you can't actually believe DG's 1st draft was an embarrassment...?
The GM has a lot of duties besides the draft. How did these things go:
- He helped hire Shurmur. Remember..."this is an adult"?
- He made Solder the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL. Great move.
- Signed Stewart. Great move.
- Signed Omameh. Great move.
- Traded for overpaid Ogeltree. Great move.
- Paid Beckham a huge contract (yet the offense still sucks)
- Stuck with Eli
I'm also not as convinced as others that the draft was so great. I still think picking Barkley was foolish. He's a wonderful player, but how much difference has he made? The offense still stinks.
This team is staring down the barrel of 5-11, and people make the argument that the people running the show are doing a good job. It's incredible.
It is year 1. A year where they have turned the roster over by 70% and changed over half the starters. They will end up being more successful than last year - even if it isn't a playoff year.
And Gettleman has not only shown he is willing to make hard decisions on his predecessor's players, he's done the same on his own signings.
For the first time in years, we seem to have a plan. The main issue fans have is that plan didn't work Day 1, which is odd as hell. But then again when some people will call this an embarrassment in year 1, anything is fucking possible.
but the team is 5-9 in a league will teams regularly turn it around fast (Bears, Colts this year). So if you want to defend Gettleman, that’s fine but at minimum Shurmur should be criticized for a 5-9 record where the Giants have led the league in one possession games.
The definition of insanity is repeating what will not work as if repeating the habit will produce a different result
That's why I have to keep posting. About Them. The insane ones.
LOL - one of your best Bill2, and that's saying a lot!
Unfortunately I don't see a good prospect out there.
Yeah, the NFC is real dominant...
Venting is fun and necessary. I'm not sure what getting stuck in the vent does for health or results?
Anyway, separate from all this stuff...Happy Holidays to you jcn
That's a different story altogether - I think people use BBI as a heat sink, and sometimes there's a bit more heat to dump than it can handle.
Hope you and yours have a happy holiday season as well.
Was this to me?
If so, I'd say you have it backwards.
I have strong facts, but lose credibility with subjective thinking people. ;)
Now, I'm not going to belabor the point. As I already wasted more time on that dumpster fire of a website that Nilay strung together than I care too. You can listen for yourself. Pat gives the injury update and only Pat. - ( New Window )
Your timeline is off
The "it aint right" interview was well after he was ruled out for washington. he gave vague answers and clearly wasn't breaking any news.
It's obvious to all you've been getting a hold of it every day! 😂
Yes, I would still take Darnold in a heart beat. 21 year kid who looks to be a good one in a few years. I'll bet the Jets wouldn't trade him for Barkley straight up. If they keep kicking the can down the road on Eli, the team will be mediocre at best for the next 4-5 years - by then Barkley's best days will be long gone.
Anyone want to bet we don't break six wins again?
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The strength of the draft is Defense and there will be a great Edge or DL when we pick.
I'm not a season ticket holder so I don't have much power, but if I were I'd sell my tickets to fans of the opposing team. I'm hoping the last game of the season is a Cowboy home game. That's the kind of shit that gets Mara's attention.
Let the season play out, lets see what they do in the draft.
If they want a QB it just hurts them to say anything other than what PS said.
Or just speaking to the media. I think I believe less than 1% of what coaches tell the media. Especially our best reporters who may be the worst in the business.
But, imho, most importantly, there is a lot of vital information we do not know that prevents the scope of the analysis many posters try to assert.
So venting yes. When it comes to asserting we are analyzing, I think we are more limited than we would like to believe. That's true of all human endeavor since it is so easy to torture data into confessing that our feelings are valid. Nor are we likely to correct for the bias we attach to information and context we do not know
Here is what I think we do know:
1) To me the signs of a decline trend were evident in 2009 ( I consider 2011 an anomaly). I think the key to success or failure in the Eli era was abundantly available in the 2008 games against Cleveland.
2) There is a cap.
3) Interpretation of where you stand on the scale of NFl dominance is so skewed by a few plays and injuries that its a hard assessment to make
4) Replacing an often uninjured franchise QB oft asked to be a difference maker in a poor system is fraught with few success stories in NFL history. This era was always going to happen.
5) There are few known paths to sustained ( as in 3 years)NFl success without a franchise QB and better than average lines.
6) I cannot go overboard on a FO who is not yet in place 10 months and who inherited a mess so great I think that even 3 wins last year masks how bad they were.
7) Lastly, some analysis that is oft claimed as "clear" and Simple" is simply unknowable conjecture.
For example, I personally think the Maras where living in an updraft of factoid claims in an echo chamber from their Gm. For far too long. But thats my opinion based on finding no other good explanation for the last several years. I submit this year and next are properly considered a tax on the past.
But what no one knows is what Mara did about it. Once the mess was clear and the veil oof misinformation penetrated..We do not know if he asked permission to talk to BB or Harbaugh. We do not know what non media named expertise he asked or talked to. We do not know what GM or coaching offers were attempted and not won for factors beyond reasonable control. We do not know how may more outsiders and or other analytics now enter the decision matrix that were not there before last year.
Now, before you slam back that i am fishing in speculation for the purpose of praising Mara...I will not tell you...but I am telling you...you dont know. Period. Full Stop.
For venting to be analysis it has to have reasonable context, reasonable benchmarks to set reasonable expectations.
More importantly...in a Game rigged to the mean with the second most important variable being human motivation on the 53...interpretation requires time.
Most of all for analysis to be as sweeping as some of our venters claim...it has to have information we do not have.
Personally, I fear we will repeat the unending muck between Tittle and LT. But thats a fear. Its not even close to an analysis or even reasoned reasonable argumentation.
Take care Go Terps. Happy Holidays. I enjoy your perspectives and expect to next year as well.
Lauletta? He'll be joining Webb on someone's practice squad. maybe. We saw what he can do- suck. More likely he gets the axe and is OOF soon.
Tanney? Be serious.
Manning is the only viable starting caliber qb on the roster the last two seasons.
Did you want to draft Darnold, Rosen, Allen etc. instead of Barkley? Didn't think so.
Webb isn't even on the team. Super knowledgeable fan
He never said they’d be good years.
If he thinks it deep down as a football man and coach, that a 38 yr old Eli Manning is a good QB going forward, he should be summarily fired.
Eli is a declining and diminished QB who can’t raise his play anymore.
But there are things we do know:
1. The Giants had a 42-54 record entering this season since they won the Super Bowl in 2011. We know the 2011 team was deeply flawed, got hot at the right time, and was by no means a model for future team development.
2. This was an enormous offseason where multiple factors lined up serendipitously to allow ownership to redefine the direction of the franchise. Each of these occurred:
- GM fired before end of 2017 season
- Head Coach fired before end of 2017 season
- #2 pick in the draft
- QB rich draft
- Eli had an out in his contract
It's a rare thing to have an opportunity to cleanly start over at GM, head coach, and quarterback at the same time. If the Giants were a tanker to be turned around, Mara had the chance to turn the full 180 degrees in a single offseason.
This was the opportunity to set the course for a new, ambitious future defined by innovative thinking at GM & HC, and inexpensive youth at QB.
Instead, we now have enormous questions at GM, HC, and QB.
The size of the opportunity wasted is, within the context of the NFL, difficult to quantify.
That was well played. ;)
You can vote with your dollars, or on in social media, or BBI. When the tenor of the fan base erupts it's heard. The beats take the temp of the fans, the coaches field the questions. The management hears the coaches.
The fans got McAdoo fired last year. Try on for size if the fan reaction would have been, "well the team is bottomed out, let's see of Geno fairs any better."
But there are things we do know:
1. The Giants had a 42-54 record entering this season since they won the Super Bowl in 2011. We know the 2011 team was deeply flawed, got hot at the right time, and was by no means a model for future team development.
2. This was an enormous offseason where multiple factors lined up serendipitously to allow ownership to redefine the direction of the franchise. Each of these occurred:
- GM fired before end of 2017 season
- Head Coach fired before end of 2017 season
- #2 pick in the draft
- QB rich draft
- Eli had an out in his contract
It's a rare thing to have an opportunity to cleanly start over at GM, head coach, and quarterback at the same time. If the Giants were a tanker to be turned around, Mara had the chance to turn the full 180 degrees in a single offseason.
This was the opportunity to set the course for a new, ambitious future defined by innovative thinking at GM & HC, and inexpensive youth at QB.
Instead, we now have enormous questions at GM, HC, and QB.
The size of the opportunity wasted is, within the context of the NFL, difficult to quantify.
Not to speak for Bill, but the issue I have with the above is
1. Barkley over Darnold is still a tough, tough question to answer and may well be 2 years from now. I don't think you can say the wrong choice was made at this point. I certainly don't think you can make it as emphatically as you do.
2. Many of us like the GM. You may think he is a dinosaur but I don't think there's a lot of fact to support that and in fact there are facts that refute it both from Carolina and the Giants. Certainly he had an excellent draft and a shaky free agency but that could yet change for either. This season proves nothing...the team improved a bit from last year for sure but it was never likely to be a one year turnaround. The best we could hope for was meaningful December ball...I'm not really sure we got that but we were not far off.
3. I think the coach has been shaky with time management and wider play calling. The team has played hard for him though and he gets another year to improve.
Mara cleaned house. He didn't go too far outside the organisation but Gettleman was enormously well thought of from his time here as PPD. You shouldn't write him off inside of one year.
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out and get a QB.
If the value is there when we pick sure grab him, but it's not we have so many other spots we can fill it's not a big deal.
I don't like this crop of QBs as much as last years. 2020 is a year where if we suck again we trade the farm for someone like Tua or Fromm.
If I had to guess, I’m thinking we’re selling multiple premium picks over a couple of drafts for Tua or Fromm in 2020 as well.
Don't discount players. OBJ would have a dead cap hit of $12M if traded during the 2020 draft. The $2.75M portion of his salary that is guaranteed for that year would be the responsibility of trading team. Our #1 and OBJ should vault us to the top.
Trade one of your best players because you took too long to find a QB, and potentially passed on one twice.
Great strategy for building a winner.
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Mara cleaned house. He didn't go too far outside the organisation but Gettleman was enormously well thought of from his time here as PPD. You shouldn't write him off inside of one year.
Agreed.
This team was rotten to the core. While the FO offered hope to the fans, they knew they needed to clean house and did so.
No doubt a replacement QB is needed soon if not now, but the oline is far more decrepit than Eli and a decent oline allows time for the Giants to find a suitable QB while giving Eli a chance to win. This was never a 1 year rebuild and is likely a three year job.
- Head Coach fired before end of 2017 season
- #2 pick in the draft
- QB rich draft
- Eli had an out in his contract
the "out"?
Let the season play out, lets see what they do in the draft.
If they want a QB it just hurts them to say anything other than what PS said.
This. What do you want him to say? It's a presser, who cares, actions will speak for themselves in the off-season. Let morons like Boomer and Gio (he's almost as bad as carton) lose their minds over this!
- Head Coach fired before end of 2017 season
- #2 pick in the draft
- QB rich draft
- Eli had an out in his contract
the "out"?
Eli never had the "out". The Giants did with the roster bonus. The final 2 years of Eli's contract were essentially team options. The timing of the RB is such that Eli wouldn't miss out on the initial wave of FA in the event the team didn't pay.
This statement is just so far off from reality...surely you can't actually believe DG's 1st draft was an embarrassment...?
We dont have one player on the OL that was drafted by Reese on the team. We have one player on the DL that Reese drafted. We have 1 LB and 1 DB on the roster that Reese drafted. It was that bad people.
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He won't, but if Mara opted to fired both Gettleman and Shurmur it would be well deserved. They've been an embarrassment in year 1.
This statement is just so far off from reality...surely you can't actually believe DG's 1st draft was an embarrassment...?
The GM has a lot of duties besides the draft. How did these things go:
- He helped hire Shurmur. Remember..."this is an adult"?
- He made Solder the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL. Great move.
- Signed Stewart. Great move.
- Signed Omameh. Great move.
- Traded for overpaid Ogeltree. Great move.
- Paid Beckham a huge contract (yet the offense still sucks)
- Stuck with Eli
I'm also not as convinced as others that the draft was so great. I still think picking Barkley was foolish. He's a wonderful player, but how much difference has he made? The offense still stinks.
This team is staring down the barrel of 5-11, and people make the argument that the people running the show are doing a good job. It's incredible.
What's sad is that we have to endure another dog shit team, and yet there are still so many fans insisting things are going well.
It is year 1. A year where they have turned the roster over by 70% and changed over half the starters. They will end up being more successful than last year - even if it isn't a playoff year.
And Gettleman has not only shown he is willing to make hard decisions on his predecessor's players, he's done the same on his own signings.
For the first time in years, we seem to have a plan. The main issue fans have is that plan didn't work Day 1, which is odd as hell. But then again when some people will call this an embarrassment in year 1, anything is fucking possible.
It is completely a strawman that's been created.
People have been excited that we have Barkley. That's about it.