It is year 1. A year where they have turned the roster over by 70% and changed over half the starters. They will end up being more successful than last year - even if it isn't a playoff year.
And Gettleman has not only shown he is willing to make hard decisions on his predecessor's players, he's done the same on his own signings.
For the first time in years, we seem to have a plan. The main issue fans have is that plan didn't work Day 1, which is odd as hell. But then again when some people will call this an embarrassment in year 1, anything is fucking possible.
The biggest one to me is the ability to cut bait. Love it and the vast majority of people in this world are unwilling to say I was wrong and make the moves to rectify their mistake. In the NFL it seems like the Pats and Steelers are the exceptions to this.
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that people who supposedly follow the team think the plan is "make a run with Eli".
Other than not drafting a QB, what evidence even supports that?
We got rid of JPP, turned the roster over, changed half the starters. What part of that, other than Eli being one of the starters that remained indicates "making a run with Eli"?
And unfortunately, a lot of the people saying it should know better.
My main critique of Gettleman is that I do not see a plan. There were a handful of moves that made me think DG thought this team was close to competing, which I thought was asinine. If DG thought (and acted) like he knew this would be a shit team, I'd be much more confident in him.
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That's improvement. They also have a 1000 yard rusher for the first time since 2012. That's also improvement.
That works both ways. They also just got shut out at home for the first time since 2013.
I don't consider that any significant development. If we kicked a garbage time FG would it make any difference? We've had tons of low scoring affairs since 2013.
& I’m very glad he’s a Giant. But, this is still a QB league & Darnold’s skill set impresses me. So, until we secure our next QB - it’s going to be a debate.
Here is a question:
Is anyone upset we didn’t draft Larry Fitzgerald in 2004? He may have been the best player in the draft & a sure HOF’er. Could have regrouped with Collins a year removed from 10-6 & 4 years removed from a SB appearance.
My main critique of Gettleman is that I do not see a plan. There were a handful of moves that made me think DG thought this team was close to competing, which I thought was asinine. If DG thought (and acted) like he knew this would be a shit team, I'd be much more confident in him.
The plan is the trenches. OL and DL. You are going to see it more in this draft.
& I’m very glad he’s a Giant. But, this is still a QB league & Darnold’s skill set impresses me. So, until we secure our next QB - it’s going to be a debate.
Here is a question:
Is anyone upset we didn’t draft Larry Fitzgerald in 2004? He may have been the best player in the draft & a sure HOF’er. Could have regrouped with Collins a year removed from 10-6 & 4 years removed from a SB appearance.
Yeah, the Chargers might be upset they didn't take Fitzgerald.
If we had drafted Darnold... The team could be in worse shape with a worse record and the same people bashing Gettleman would be preaching patience.
Tell me I'm wrong.
You're not wrong. If we'd drafted Darnold (or Jackson, who by the way has turned his team's fortunes around THIS YEAR) we wouldn't have the huge specter of QB problems (forked Eli or ????) hanging over the entire team.
I know that since we drafted Barkley it became incredibly easy to find a quarterback, but nevertheless there is enormous reason for concern.
My main critique of Gettleman is that I do not see a plan. There were a handful of moves that made me think DG thought this team was close to competing, which I thought was asinine. If DG thought (and acted) like he knew this would be a shit team, I'd be much more confident in him.
The plan is the trenches. OL and DL. You are going to see it more in this draft.
If we had drafted Darnold... The team could be in worse shape with a worse record and the same people bashing Gettleman would be preaching patience.
Tell me I'm wrong.
You're not wrong. If we'd drafted Darnold (or Jackson, who by the way has turned his team's fortunes around THIS YEAR) we wouldn't have the huge specter of QB problems (forked Eli or ????) hanging over the entire team.
I know that since we drafted Barkley it became incredibly easy to find a quarterback, but nevertheless there is enormous reason for concern.
You really don't know that about drafting either of them. Jury is still out on both, imo.
Two takes on QB hell, to me the second can be worse than the first:
1. Have no identifiable present or future QB's on the roster.
2. Have a QB on the roster who you've spent a ton of resources to secure and made a multi-year commitment to, but who hasn't yet shown the return on investment.
I know you're a big fan of Jackson, I think he's an interesting guy. Jury is out imo on whether he can carry a team if he had to (without a playoff-caliber defense). He can certainly make plays with his legs, but is that something you can count on? Very, very few mobile QB's stay healthy consistently enough to expect that to be the norm. A QB needs to prove they can make plays from within the pocket as well, and I don't think Jackson has proven that.
...as long as Eli is still in the team's plans going forward. That is the telltale sign that they are still trying to send Eli out in style.
An good, independent GM would say that it's time to stop chasing Miracle #3 with Eli, because you simply can't win with his eroding skill set, and start finding the next QB with real reps in real game situations.
If Eli is rightfully sent packing after this year, then I'll eat my words. Until then, Gettleman is following the marching order of Ole John.
Accorsi’s philosophy has always been “if you have the opportunity to draft a franchise QB, you do it.” The stars aligned last year.
It is strange. Gettleman went on and on about how highly rated Barkley was - one of the top ratings he had given a player since Peyton Manning, and that scouting seems to be right on the money. Instead of praising Gettleman at least for being dead on in his scouting assessment, he's getting killed for not reaching for a QB he may not have felt was going to be a guy to build around.
In essence, it is a double-whammy based on nothing more than the hype of the QB class, and until shown otherwise, it is still just hype. Meanwhile, Barkley has already shown that the scouting assessment wasn't hype.
This whole thing still boils down to people being upset because we didn't pick a QB. Bottom line.
that Solder has been absolutely terrible just won't stop.
He's actually done better than Norwell this year and teh consensus was that we needed to sign one of them in the offseason.
He's average at best, and that's an extremely charitable assessment, yet is the highest paid tackle in the league. Andrew Norwell's failures don't de facto make Solder a good signing.
That or Nelson. But Barkley is really good. And if he drafts people this year to help him, its still a good thing.
I'm no oline expert - I usually defer to Joey in VA - but I've seen a good portion of three Colts games this year on NFLN replay and Nelson is a monster. Guy just moves people from point A to point B with some real dominance. What he did at Notre Dame has definitely translated to the pro level.
He was killing the Dallas interior this past weekend. It was just a thing of beauty...
It's a work in progress.
That's improvement. They also have a 1000 yard rusher for the first time since 2012. That's also improvement.
It is year 1. A year where they have turned the roster over by 70% and changed over half the starters. They will end up being more successful than last year - even if it isn't a playoff year.
And Gettleman has not only shown he is willing to make hard decisions on his predecessor's players, he's done the same on his own signings.
For the first time in years, we seem to have a plan. The main issue fans have is that plan didn't work Day 1, which is odd as hell. But then again when some people will call this an embarrassment in year 1, anything is fucking possible.
The biggest one to me is the ability to cut bait. Love it and the vast majority of people in this world are unwilling to say I was wrong and make the moves to rectify their mistake. In the NFL it seems like the Pats and Steelers are the exceptions to this.
That's improvement. They also have a 1000 yard rusher for the first time since 2012. That's also improvement.
That works both ways. They also just got shut out at home for the first time since 2013.
Other than not drafting a QB, what evidence even supports that?
We got rid of JPP, turned the roster over, changed half the starters. What part of that, other than Eli being one of the starters that remained indicates "making a run with Eli"?
And unfortunately, a lot of the people saying it should know better.
Tell me I'm wrong.
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including 40 points, once.
That's improvement. They also have a 1000 yard rusher for the first time since 2012. That's also improvement.
That works both ways. They also just got shut out at home for the first time since 2013.
I don't consider that any significant development. If we kicked a garbage time FG would it make any difference? We've had tons of low scoring affairs since 2013.
Here is a question:
Is anyone upset we didn’t draft Larry Fitzgerald in 2004? He may have been the best player in the draft & a sure HOF’er. Could have regrouped with Collins a year removed from 10-6 & 4 years removed from a SB appearance.
The plan is the trenches. OL and DL. You are going to see it more in this draft.
Here is a question:
Is anyone upset we didn’t draft Larry Fitzgerald in 2004? He may have been the best player in the draft & a sure HOF’er. Could have regrouped with Collins a year removed from 10-6 & 4 years removed from a SB appearance.
Yeah, the Chargers might be upset they didn't take Fitzgerald.
I can't wait to see the same exquisite football mind who signed the likes of Solder and Omameh working his magic again.
What you don';t realize is that right now, Darnold only has potential. The debate goes on if he can get some hardware.
A better question is will people be upset we drafted Barkley if 5 years from now, the Jets aren't resigning Darnold and they've been mediocre?
He's actually done better than Norwell this year and teh consensus was that we needed to sign one of them in the offseason.
What you don';t realize is that right now, Darnold only has potential. The debate goes on if he can get some hardware.
A better question is will people be upset we drafted Barkley if 5 years from now, the Jets aren't resigning Darnold and they've been mediocre?
This is all true. 2004 worked fantastic which is why some of us were surprised the Giants didn’t take a similar approach in 2018.
Accorsi’s philosophy has always been “if you have the opportunity to draft a franchise QB, you do it.” The stars aligned last year.
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be upset that we didn't draft Fitz when we ended up with two SB's with Eli at QB?
What you don';t realize is that right now, Darnold only has potential. The debate goes on if he can get some hardware.
A better question is will people be upset we drafted Barkley if 5 years from now, the Jets aren't resigning Darnold and they've been mediocre?
This is all true. 2004 worked fantastic which is why some of us were surprised the Giants didn’t take a similar approach in 2018.
Accorsi’s philosophy has always been “if you have the opportunity to draft a franchise QB, you do it.” The stars aligned last year.
That is Dave Gettleman's philosophy as well.
He said that if you have the opportunity to get one of those guys, you move heaven and earth to go up and get them.
The disconnect is that some people can't reconcile the fact that he did not see one of those guys in the draft.
He's actually done better than Norwell this year and teh consensus was that we needed to sign one of them in the offseason.
I was wrong on Solder. His first 8 games were terrible. But he has turned it aorund.
Tell me I'm wrong.
You're not wrong. If we'd drafted Darnold (or Jackson, who by the way has turned his team's fortunes around THIS YEAR) we wouldn't have the huge specter of QB problems (forked Eli or ????) hanging over the entire team.
I know that since we drafted Barkley it became incredibly easy to find a quarterback, but nevertheless there is enormous reason for concern.
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My main critique of Gettleman is that I do not see a plan. There were a handful of moves that made me think DG thought this team was close to competing, which I thought was asinine. If DG thought (and acted) like he knew this would be a shit team, I'd be much more confident in him.
The plan is the trenches. OL and DL. You are going to see it more in this draft.
Then we should have drafted Chubb.
Then we should have drafted Chubb.
That or Nelson. But Barkley is really good. And if he drafts people this year to help him, its still a good thing.
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If we had drafted Darnold... The team could be in worse shape with a worse record and the same people bashing Gettleman would be preaching patience.
Tell me I'm wrong.
You're not wrong. If we'd drafted Darnold (or Jackson, who by the way has turned his team's fortunes around THIS YEAR) we wouldn't have the huge specter of QB problems (forked Eli or ????) hanging over the entire team.
I know that since we drafted Barkley it became incredibly easy to find a quarterback, but nevertheless there is enormous reason for concern.
You really don't know that about drafting either of them. Jury is still out on both, imo.
Two takes on QB hell, to me the second can be worse than the first:
1. Have no identifiable present or future QB's on the roster.
2. Have a QB on the roster who you've spent a ton of resources to secure and made a multi-year commitment to, but who hasn't yet shown the return on investment.
I know you're a big fan of Jackson, I think he's an interesting guy. Jury is out imo on whether he can carry a team if he had to (without a playoff-caliber defense). He can certainly make plays with his legs, but is that something you can count on? Very, very few mobile QB's stay healthy consistently enough to expect that to be the norm. A QB needs to prove they can make plays from within the pocket as well, and I don't think Jackson has proven that.
An good, independent GM would say that it's time to stop chasing Miracle #3 with Eli, because you simply can't win with his eroding skill set, and start finding the next QB with real reps in real game situations.
If Eli is rightfully sent packing after this year, then I'll eat my words. Until then, Gettleman is following the marching order of Ole John.
It is strange. Gettleman went on and on about how highly rated Barkley was - one of the top ratings he had given a player since Peyton Manning, and that scouting seems to be right on the money. Instead of praising Gettleman at least for being dead on in his scouting assessment, he's getting killed for not reaching for a QB he may not have felt was going to be a guy to build around.
In essence, it is a double-whammy based on nothing more than the hype of the QB class, and until shown otherwise, it is still just hype. Meanwhile, Barkley has already shown that the scouting assessment wasn't hype.
This whole thing still boils down to people being upset because we didn't pick a QB. Bottom line.
He's actually done better than Norwell this year and teh consensus was that we needed to sign one of them in the offseason.
He's average at best, and that's an extremely charitable assessment, yet is the highest paid tackle in the league. Andrew Norwell's failures don't de facto make Solder a good signing.
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Then we should have drafted Chubb.
That or Nelson. But Barkley is really good. And if he drafts people this year to help him, its still a good thing.
I'm no oline expert - I usually defer to Joey in VA - but I've seen a good portion of three Colts games this year on NFLN replay and Nelson is a monster. Guy just moves people from point A to point B with some real dominance. What he did at Notre Dame has definitely translated to the pro level.
He was killing the Dallas interior this past weekend. It was just a thing of beauty...