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Is Barkley's hold on the OROTY still solid?

bw in dc : 12/17/2018 3:39 pm
Indeed Barkley has been a rookie standout. He's compiled very lofty numbers in another poor season for the Giants. To some, he's vaulted right to the top of the list as one of the best RBs in the league.

Meanwhile, Mayfield, who I didn't think was going to a great NFL QB, has really played some outstanding football for the Browns. They are 6-7-1 with some grueling, narrow losses to New Orleans, Tampa, and Oakland.

I must say, I believe a lot of that success had been Mayfield's play. With him as their regular starter, the Browns are actually 6-6. So he's steadied that ship. With two weeks to go, the Browns are still in the race for a playoff birth.

Mayfield is playing a more critical position in the game that directly impacting wins. While Barkley is a RB where his carries out dictated by the coach, and his receiving attempts are dictated by the decision of the QB.

So has Mayfield's play at the more important position elevated him to a real contender for the award? Or has Barkley's huge rookie season by total yards/scoring/etc enough to stave off Mayfield?

more critical position  
bc4life : 12/17/2018 3:43 pm : link
might give Mayfield the edge
Barkley is a lock per Vegas  
Stan in LA : 12/17/2018 3:44 pm : link
Done deal.
compounded by playing  
bc4life : 12/17/2018 3:44 pm : link
in Cleveland
Mayfield may have a bit of a nod over him  
micky : 12/17/2018 3:45 pm : link
But not by much
RE: Barkley is a lock per Vegas  
bw in dc : 12/17/2018 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14223701 Stan in LA said:
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Done deal.


Does that include this weekend's results?
browns still in the running for a playoff berth  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 12/17/2018 3:49 pm : link
That's pretty funny. They need a lot of help including the Giants beating the colts in Indianapolis and Washington beating the titans in Tennessee. And if that was not enough, they also need the colts and titans to play a tie against each other in week 17. I wonder what kind of odds you could get for those things to happen. LOL
RE: browns still in the running for a playoff berth  
bw in dc : 12/17/2018 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14223715 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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That's pretty funny. They need a lot of help including the Giants beating the colts in Indianapolis and Washington beating the titans in Tennessee. And if that was not enough, they also need the colts and titans to play a tie against each other in week 17. I wonder what kind of odds you could get for those things to happen. LOL


Yes, a lot of things need to fall into place. Stranger things have happened in the NFL. But the mere fact that the Browns are still hanging around, and Mayfield didn't play the first two weeks when the Browns tied and lost, is really a more interesting way to look at it...
It felt like a lock going into Sunday  
jogo1 : 12/17/2018 4:06 pm : link
but Mayfield had a signature game and Barkley was invisible. Don't think it's settled in either direction.
Football is a great game . . . .  
TC : 12/17/2018 4:10 pm : link
surrounded by a bunch of hype and BS. Barkley is a superbly gifted RB, and I enjoy looking forward to what he can help the Giants accomplish as the years roll on, and hope he can someday look back at an exceptional career. The BS? Doesn't interest me much.
RE: It felt like a lock going into Sunday  
bw in dc : 12/17/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14223746 jogo1 said:
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but Mayfield had a signature game and Barkley was invisible. Don't think it's settled in either direction.


Sort of like the Heisman. I agree. I think Barkley has more work to do to lock down the award.
I gotta imagine that if it’s  
mattyblue : 12/17/2018 4:28 pm : link
close Mayfield would get it, because of the improved Browns. He might even deserve it by seasons end. If the Browns make the playoffs that’s quite a turnaround
Two games to go ...  
Beezer : 12/17/2018 4:32 pm : link
... I'm in the "toss-up at this point" camp.

Obviously would love 26 to get it. But it depends what happens, IMO. Mayfield comes out and wins the next two? Regardless of them making the playoffs or not, would be tough for 26 to beat that surge.
RE: It felt like a lock going into Sunday  
JohnnyFlowers : 12/17/2018 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14223746 jogo1 said:
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but Mayfield had a signature game and Barkley was invisible. Don't think it's settled in either direction.


What is a signature game? 188 yards; 2TDs and a pick
Barkley  
allstarjim : 12/17/2018 5:50 pm : link
Will very likely have over 2000 yards from scrimmage this year.

He's a lock, it's not even close AT ALL. Yes, Browns fans should be excited about the future. Yes, Mayfield has been playing good ball recently. But he hasn't come close to what Barkley has accomplished all season long. Mayfield is a somewhat distant 2nd to one of the great rookie seasons in recent memory by Saquon Barkley.
Mayfield is playing very well  
UConn4523 : 12/17/2018 6:09 pm : link
but middle of the pack as far as NFL QBs go. Meanwhile Barkley is basically at peak NFL production at the RB position.

Not close for me.
RE: RE: browns still in the running for a playoff berth  
UConn4523 : 12/17/2018 6:13 pm : link
In comment 14223735 bw in dc said:
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That's pretty funny. They need a lot of help including the Giants beating the colts in Indianapolis and Washington beating the titans in Tennessee. And if that was not enough, they also need the colts and titans to play a tie against each other in week 17. I wonder what kind of odds you could get for those things to happen. LOL



Yes, a lot of things need to fall into place. Stranger things have happened in the NFL. But the mere fact that the Browns are still hanging around, and Mayfield didn't play the first two weeks when the Browns tied and lost, is really a more interesting way to look at it...


Weren’t you just mocking Giants fans for being excited about their remote playoff chances earlier today in another thread?

I’m sure you’d love nothing more than Barkley to not win the award.
Who Cares  
djstat : 12/17/2018 6:28 pm : link
Award means nothing
RE: Who Cares  
UConn4523 : 12/17/2018 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14223848 djstat said:
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Award means nothing


Sure they do. Just because all you want is a title doesn’t mean the rest is meaningless.
RE: Who Cares  
uther99 : 12/17/2018 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14223848 djstat said:
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Award means nothing


It means Giants drafted the right guy, but otherwise meaningless.
RE: RE: Who Cares  
TD : 12/17/2018 9:26 pm : link
In comment 14223868 uther99 said:
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Award means nothing



It means Giants drafted the right guy, but otherwise meaningless.


No it doesn’t. That question will be answered in a few years. If we’re still in QB hell and a losing/mediocre team, and one of the QBs we passed on winds up being a top tier QB, drafting Barkley will have been a mistake.

That said, Barkley winning it is a lock. And I hope he wins it. Kid deserves it and plays the game right.
RE: RE: RE: browns still in the running for a playoff berth  
JCin332 : 12/17/2018 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14223844 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14223715 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:


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That's pretty funny. They need a lot of help including the Giants beating the colts in Indianapolis and Washington beating the titans in Tennessee. And if that was not enough, they also need the colts and titans to play a tie against each other in week 17. I wonder what kind of odds you could get for those things to happen. LOL



Yes, a lot of things need to fall into place. Stranger things have happened in the NFL. But the mere fact that the Browns are still hanging around, and Mayfield didn't play the first two weeks when the Browns tied and lost, is really a more interesting way to look at it...



Weren’t you just mocking Giants fans for being excited about their remote playoff chances earlier today in another thread?

I’m sure you’d love nothing more than Barkley to not win the award.


You are spot on...mr jints central would like nothing more than to see Mayfield win the award...another "true fan" who has been rooting against the team all year because they didn't draft a QB...
RE: RE: RE: browns still in the running for a playoff berth  
bw in dc : 12/17/2018 9:39 pm : link
In comment 14223844 UConn4523 said:
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Weren’t you just mocking Giants fans for being excited about their remote playoff chances earlier today in another thread?

I’m sure you’d love nothing more than Barkley to not win the award.


I did.

Here’s the difference. We’re talking about the hapless Cleveland Browns. So the mere fact that they are somewhat relevant in week 16 is why I bring it up.
RE: RE: It felt like a lock going into Sunday  
BillKo : 12/17/2018 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14223833 JohnnyFlowers said:
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but Mayfield had a signature game and Barkley was invisible. Don't think it's settled in either direction.



What is a signature game? 188 yards; 2TDs and a pick


That's what I was thinking. Even it was a game ending drive included.....hardly signature game.
imagine if Barkley played  
SHO'NUFF : 12/17/2018 10:35 pm : link
under a coach who had a clue.
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