I just learned that a stiffarm to the head is unnecessary roughness.
Well, there are stiff arms to keep a player away from you, and then there's driving your hand into a guy's face mask.
I thought it was the right call. Both ways.
Over 50 years of watching football and never saw an offensive player called for stiff arm to the face. I've seen it weekly and never called. It should be called and could not understand why it was illegal on defense to put a hand on a facemask but legal for the offense.
meant nothing? c'mon, man, everybody in here knew the game was over at that point...and we were up by what, 16 points?
Its the pyschological effect of being down two scores vs three scores. Generally a team that goes down three scores at halftime is demoralized completely.
It didn’t cost us the game or change the game. It took 3 points off the board. The eagles didn’t take the lead until the 4th quarter.
Panthers cannot convert anything and the Saints cannot move the ball. Saint WRs dropping more balls in dry weather than the Giants did yesterday in a Monsoon.
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a flag has been picked up for a pass being uncatchable?
Cannot remember, probably when they picked it up in the Eagles Giants game earlier this year?
But when that DB grabbed MTs collar he couldn't jump and the ball about touched his fingers anyway.
a flag has been picked up for a pass being uncatchable?
It used to seem like you'd get the refs to pick it up once in a while. Honestly now that you arent allowed to hit guys over the middle anymore I wish theyd let the dbs play with their hands down the field like in college.
It's always looked bad. When I saw him in person a few years back during his MVP season it occurred to me what a poor thrower he is. He looks like he's never been coached how to throw a ball.
Kamara or Lutz got a single point there, I lose my fantasy semifinal.
I had McCaffery against those three and entered the night up 10 points. I'm going to hold on by a point.
Wish I can say the same. Brees’ 2 points lost me the finals and likely a grand+. One of those shitty seasons where you lead in record and points all year and put up a dud when it counts. And I stayed up for it which makes it worse.
It's always looked bad. When I saw him in person a few years back during his MVP season it occurred to me what a poor thrower he is. He looks like he's never been coached how to throw a ball.
Yep.
He’s always been a shitty passer. He had a good year in 16 or whatever when he hit on an unsustainable amount of deep balls.
Kamara or Lutz got a single point there, I lose my fantasy semifinal.
I had McCaffery against those three and entered the night up 10 points. I'm going to hold on by a point.
Wish I can say the same. Brees’ 2 points lost me the finals and likely a grand+. One of those shitty seasons where you lead in record and points all year and put up a dud when it counts. And I stayed up for it which makes it worse.
Smak here only needed 8 points from brees. Ugh. But least my other big money league womt by 4 when I was down coming into this game. So I'll take it.
Feeling like all 3 of Witten, Boog, and Cam Newton have a low football IQ? First of all, getting up on the ball and clocking it with a full minute to play? And Witten was screaming to clock it as well? I mean all you needed was another 30 yards to kick a field goal and tie it, just run your offense and try to move the sticks. Spiking the ball they lost a critical down and ended up leaving time on the clock anyway. Then on 4th down Boog is yelling that Carolina has to show a sense of urgency... I mean yeah sure but maybe you want to make sure you have the right play called for 4th and 6 considering it could be (and was) your last offensive down of the game? From my perspective I just felt like I could have seen Brady or Rodgers or Ben or even Eli just running their offense and not yet having to worry about spiking it, just take underneath pass after underneath pass and they probably would have had enough time to move the ball inside the 40 (remember Gano hit a 62 yarder against the Giants which would only require the 45 yard line). It just seemed like everyone was rushing things TOO MUCH actually, unnecessarily spiking the ball and wasting a down when you have more than 1:00 to play and only need 20 more yards. It just all seemed mathematically off to me.
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A turnover in the 2nd quarter when we were up 16 is too much to overcome?
No it is not, however had they scored there (a 1:04 drive), they are up by 19, killed the Eagles good feeling about their late TD and the Giants take back momentum or at least squelch the Eagles'.
Sometimes dep you need to get your own dose of reality. That was a dumbass, inexcusable play, not dissimilar to the one against the Titans (although the wet conditions and a great INT catch made it not quite as foolish.)
A turnover in the 2nd quarter when we were up 16 is too much to overcome?
No it is not, however had they scored there (a 1:04 drive), they are up by 19, killed the Eagles good feeling about their late TD and the Giants take back momentum or at least squelch the Eagles'.
Sometimes dep you need to get your own dose of reality. That was a dumbass, inexcusable play, not dissimilar to the one against the Titans (although the wet conditions and a great INT catch made it not quite as foolish.)
lol. I need a dose of reality? This place is just full of people who dont know shit about anything. There has NEVER been an INT in the 2nd quarter that has changed the game or lost the game. Never has nor ever will. FFS, Russell Wilson and Philip Rivers threw the same type of INT in a much closer game that had no bearing. But again, I doubt the people who are even responding to me even watch a game outside the Giants.
of course it was a dumb throw. Where did I say it wasnt? Please quote that before making dumb ass comments. What I said was that it didnt cost us the game nor was it a "game changing pick". It was a bad throw that took points off the board. Nothing more, nothing less.
People here need to learn the fucking game and stop trying to create narratives that arent there.
That int took way any momentum we had going into the second half, resulting in only a fg in the fourth quarter....
Did you ever play a sport? If an INT takes momentum away from your team when there is a 20 minute half AND the defense held the offense to a punt and FG to start the 2nd half - maybe, just maybe our team isnt as good as you thought.
If an INT up 16-3 at the end of the half is the reason a team loses.....then there are bigger problems than the play.
The INT was such a back-breaker that at the end of the game, the Giants tied the score with under a minute to play - and would have taken the lead if they correctly called Beckham being interfered with.
It just furthers the odd narrative that a lot of people hold.
Look at it this way. I've seen Eli blamed for the Carolina loss. a game in which he threw two TD passes in the final 5 minutes to give the team a lead, only to have a 63 yard FG go against us. Not only was his early INT referenced as a reason we lost, but people actually blamed him for scoring too quickly.
With logic like that, he's probably blamed for not being able to tackle Derrick Henry. By the way, I heard a defense giving up 200+ rushing yards played well....
The INT was such a back-breaker that at the end of the game, the Giants tied the score with under a minute to play - and would have taken the lead if they correctly called Beckham being interfered with.
It just furthers the odd narrative that a lot of people hold.
Look at it this way. I've seen Eli blamed for the Carolina loss. a game in which he threw two TD passes in the final 5 minutes to give the team a lead, only to have a 63 yard FG go against us. Not only was his early INT referenced as a reason we lost, but people actually blamed him for scoring too quickly.
With logic like that, he's probably blamed for not being able to tackle Derrick Henry. By the way, I heard a defense giving up 200+ rushing yards played well....
Its funny when you hear players and coaches say one play never wins/loses a game - and thats usually a play that happens at the end of the game... but BBI thinks a play in the 2nd quarter is a game changing/game losing play. Absolutely maddening.
I bet some of these posters absolve Wilsons SB INT more than Eli's throw. Just insanity at this point.
The INT was such a back-breaker that at the end of the game, the Giants tied the score with under a minute to play - and would have taken the lead if they correctly called Beckham being interfered with.
It just furthers the odd narrative that a lot of people hold.
Look at it this way. I've seen Eli blamed for the Carolina loss. a game in which he threw two TD passes in the final 5 minutes to give the team a lead, only to have a 63 yard FG go against us. Not only was his early INT referenced as a reason we lost, but people actually blamed him for scoring too quickly.
With logic like that, he's probably blamed for not being able to tackle Derrick Henry. By the way, I heard a defense giving up 200+ rushing yards played well....
Its funny when you hear players and coaches say one play never wins/loses a game - and thats usually a play that happens at the end of the game... but BBI thinks a play in the 2nd quarter is a game changing/game losing play. Absolutely maddening.
I bet some of these posters absolve Wilsons SB INT more than Eli's throw. Just insanity at this point.
You are right one play does not cost the game, and I never said it did. But to deny that INT didn't change the dynamic of the game is BS. The Eagles finally score, but Eli takes the Giants right back down the field in 1:04 and gets a FG for the final points of the half. You don't think the Eagles go into the locker room shaking their heads? You don't think the Giants feel even better?
Yes the INT did not lose the game, but getting the FG more than likely helps win it.
They say something multiple times a game that makes you either cringe or perk up and say "What the fuck?"
The Panthers had an eternity to get into FG position and those idiots were screaming about having to clock the ball. The Panthers lost a down doing it and then were stuck on 4th down.
that the Eagles didnt score coming out of the half with all the "momentum".
It was a bad throw and play. Sometimes its that simple.
It likely cost 3 points, yes that simple.
Great point, they had a bad 1st series. What happened the rest of the half?
and how much did we lose by?
It goes both ways, too. We were dead against Chicago until Rosas hit the 57 yarder before halftime. That changed the energy of the team in the 2nd half.
because every play of the 2nd half would have went the same way. I am sure the eagles would have sat on the ball on the last drive for a FG instead of going for a touchdown.
Saints completely suckered, beautiful.
Saints completely suckered, beautiful.
Yes, well conceived and executed.
This crew sucks the big white mint.
well played
No it’s not. Jesus Christ. This happens more than people want to believe.
Oh hey look at me. I'm cool and hey the clock is running :28, :27, :26, :25....oh wait, time out?
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No it’s not. Jesus Christ. This happens more than people want to believe.
Yeah, unfortunately.....
Didn’t affect San Diego Thursday or Seattle last week.... did it?
Or it’s just a bullshit narrative?
Who stated that?
I just learned that a stiffarm to the head is unnecessary roughness.
I just learned that a stiffarm to the head is unnecessary roughness.
Well, there are stiff arms to keep a player away from you, and then there's driving your hand into a guy's face mask.
I thought it was the right call. Both ways.
Cam has a shoulder injury.
They affect them sure. But the saying “game changing” is one I find odd, especially ones in the first half.
Definitely recoverable, but both offenses aren't clicking the way they were just a few weeks ago.
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So does Cam. Cams arm looks weak.
Cam has a shoulder injury.
I know. But it’s really affecting his arm strength.
Rams and Saints appear to be having the end of season the 2008 Giants had. Teams look tired. Doesn’t bode well for the playoffs.
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I just learned that a stiffarm to the head is unnecessary roughness.
Well, there are stiff arms to keep a player away from you, and then there's driving your hand into a guy's face mask.
I thought it was the right call. Both ways.
Over 50 years of watching football and never saw an offensive player called for stiff arm to the face. I've seen it weekly and never called. It should be called and could not understand why it was illegal on defense to put a hand on a facemask but legal for the offense.
The game was over when Shurmur went for 2 on the opening drive.
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So does Cam. Cams arm looks weak.
Cam has a shoulder injury.
He’s not an accurate passer, shoulder injury or not.
It didn’t cost us the game or change the game. It took 3 points off the board. The eagles didn’t take the lead until the 4th quarter.
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meant nothing? c'mon, man, everybody in here knew the game was over at that point...and we were up by what, 16 points?
The game was over when Shurmur went for 2 on the opening drive.
You mean when Eli missed the wide open guy in the end zone. Guy called up the right play.
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meant nothing? c'mon, man, everybody in here knew the game was over at that point...and we were up by what, 16 points?
Its the pyschological effect of being down two scores vs three scores. Generally a team that goes down three scores at halftime is demoralized completely.
It didn’t cost us the game or change the game. It took 3 points off the board. The eagles didn’t take the lead until the 4th quarter.
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meant nothing? c'mon, man, everybody in here knew the game was over at that point...and we were up by what, 16 points?
The game was over when Shurmur went for 2 on the opening drive.
You mean when Eli missed the wide open guy in the end zone. Guy called up the right play.
Couldn’t tell you, I don’t remember. But we had been a shit all season at two point conversions. No need for it on the opening drive.
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meant nothing? c'mon, man, everybody in here knew the game was over at that point...and we were up by what, 16 points?
It didn’t cost us the game or change the game. It took 3 points off the board. The eagles didn’t take the lead until the 4th quarter.
Oh, it cost us the game. You know better than that.
Cannot remember, probably when they picked it up in the Eagles Giants game earlier this year?
But when that DB grabbed MTs collar he couldn't jump and the ball about touched his fingers anyway.
It used to seem like you'd get the refs to pick it up once in a while. Honestly now that you arent allowed to hit guys over the middle anymore I wish theyd let the dbs play with their hands down the field like in college.
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meant nothing? c'mon, man, everybody in here knew the game was over at that point...and we were up by what, 16 points?
It didn’t cost us the game or change the game. It took 3 points off the board. The eagles didn’t take the lead until the 4th quarter.
Oh, it cost us the game. You know better than that.
Lol.
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It's therefore meaningless, is it not?
They affect them sure. But the saying “game changing” is one I find odd, especially ones in the first half.
Maybe when people say game changing, they don't mean it's literally game ending?
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It's therefore meaningless, is it not?
They affect them sure. But the saying “game changing” is one I find odd, especially ones in the first half.
Maybe when people say game changing, they don't mean it's literally game ending?
No they followed up saying it either cost us the game or lost the game for us. Hence why I laugh at it so much.
I had McCaffery against those three and entered the night up 10 points. I'm going to hold on by a point.
I had McCaffery against those three and entered the night up 10 points. I'm going to hold on by a point.
It's always looked bad. When I saw him in person a few years back during his MVP season it occurred to me what a poor thrower he is. He looks like he's never been coached how to throw a ball.
I had McCaffery against those three and entered the night up 10 points. I'm going to hold on by a point.
Wish I can say the same. Brees’ 2 points lost me the finals and likely a grand+. One of those shitty seasons where you lead in record and points all year and put up a dud when it counts. And I stayed up for it which makes it worse.
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It's always looked bad. When I saw him in person a few years back during his MVP season it occurred to me what a poor thrower he is. He looks like he's never been coached how to throw a ball.
Yep.
He’s always been a shitty passer. He had a good year in 16 or whatever when he hit on an unsustainable amount of deep balls.
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Kamara or Lutz got a single point there, I lose my fantasy semifinal.
I had McCaffery against those three and entered the night up 10 points. I'm going to hold on by a point.
Wish I can say the same. Brees’ 2 points lost me the finals and likely a grand+. One of those shitty seasons where you lead in record and points all year and put up a dud when it counts. And I stayed up for it which makes it worse.
Smak here only needed 8 points from brees. Ugh. But least my other big money league womt by 4 when I was down coming into this game. So I'll take it.
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It's therefore meaningless, is it not?
They affect them sure. But the saying “game changing” is one I find odd, especially ones in the first half.
Maybe when people say game changing, they don't mean it's literally game ending?
No they followed up saying it either cost us the game or lost the game for us. Hence why I laugh at it so much.
This team is incapable of overcoming back breaking unforced INTs... you've seen enough Giants games in the last 6 years to know this to be true.
Holy shitballs. This place sometimes....
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A turnover in the 2nd quarter when we were up 16 is too much to overcome?
Holy shitballs. This place sometimes....
It was a one score, 8 point lead, when he threw the int on first down.....the way Rosas is kicking this year, that was an automatic 3 points....
That int took way any momentum we had going into the second half, resulting in only a fg in the fourth quarter....
No it is not, however had they scored there (a 1:04 drive), they are up by 19, killed the Eagles good feeling about their late TD and the Giants take back momentum or at least squelch the Eagles'.
Sometimes dep you need to get your own dose of reality. That was a dumbass, inexcusable play, not dissimilar to the one against the Titans (although the wet conditions and a great INT catch made it not quite as foolish.)
Gano wasn't playing last night. It was Chandler Canazaro
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A turnover in the 2nd quarter when we were up 16 is too much to overcome?
No it is not, however had they scored there (a 1:04 drive), they are up by 19, killed the Eagles good feeling about their late TD and the Giants take back momentum or at least squelch the Eagles'.
Sometimes dep you need to get your own dose of reality. That was a dumbass, inexcusable play, not dissimilar to the one against the Titans (although the wet conditions and a great INT catch made it not quite as foolish.)
lol. I need a dose of reality? This place is just full of people who dont know shit about anything. There has NEVER been an INT in the 2nd quarter that has changed the game or lost the game. Never has nor ever will. FFS, Russell Wilson and Philip Rivers threw the same type of INT in a much closer game that had no bearing. But again, I doubt the people who are even responding to me even watch a game outside the Giants.
of course it was a dumb throw. Where did I say it wasnt? Please quote that before making dumb ass comments. What I said was that it didnt cost us the game nor was it a "game changing pick". It was a bad throw that took points off the board. Nothing more, nothing less.
People here need to learn the fucking game and stop trying to create narratives that arent there.
That int took way any momentum we had going into the second half, resulting in only a fg in the fourth quarter....
Did you ever play a sport? If an INT takes momentum away from your team when there is a 20 minute half AND the defense held the offense to a punt and FG to start the 2nd half - maybe, just maybe our team isnt as good as you thought.
If an INT up 16-3 at the end of the half is the reason a team loses.....then there are bigger problems than the play.
Jesus Christ. This place...
The INT was such a back-breaker that at the end of the game, the Giants tied the score with under a minute to play - and would have taken the lead if they correctly called Beckham being interfered with.
It just furthers the odd narrative that a lot of people hold.
Look at it this way. I've seen Eli blamed for the Carolina loss. a game in which he threw two TD passes in the final 5 minutes to give the team a lead, only to have a 63 yard FG go against us. Not only was his early INT referenced as a reason we lost, but people actually blamed him for scoring too quickly.
With logic like that, he's probably blamed for not being able to tackle Derrick Henry. By the way, I heard a defense giving up 200+ rushing yards played well....
The INT was such a back-breaker that at the end of the game, the Giants tied the score with under a minute to play - and would have taken the lead if they correctly called Beckham being interfered with.
It just furthers the odd narrative that a lot of people hold.
Look at it this way. I've seen Eli blamed for the Carolina loss. a game in which he threw two TD passes in the final 5 minutes to give the team a lead, only to have a 63 yard FG go against us. Not only was his early INT referenced as a reason we lost, but people actually blamed him for scoring too quickly.
With logic like that, he's probably blamed for not being able to tackle Derrick Henry. By the way, I heard a defense giving up 200+ rushing yards played well....
Its funny when you hear players and coaches say one play never wins/loses a game - and thats usually a play that happens at the end of the game... but BBI thinks a play in the 2nd quarter is a game changing/game losing play. Absolutely maddening.
I bet some of these posters absolve Wilsons SB INT more than Eli's throw. Just insanity at this point.
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it is a waste of time.
The INT was such a back-breaker that at the end of the game, the Giants tied the score with under a minute to play - and would have taken the lead if they correctly called Beckham being interfered with.
It just furthers the odd narrative that a lot of people hold.
Look at it this way. I've seen Eli blamed for the Carolina loss. a game in which he threw two TD passes in the final 5 minutes to give the team a lead, only to have a 63 yard FG go against us. Not only was his early INT referenced as a reason we lost, but people actually blamed him for scoring too quickly.
With logic like that, he's probably blamed for not being able to tackle Derrick Henry. By the way, I heard a defense giving up 200+ rushing yards played well....
Its funny when you hear players and coaches say one play never wins/loses a game - and thats usually a play that happens at the end of the game... but BBI thinks a play in the 2nd quarter is a game changing/game losing play. Absolutely maddening.
I bet some of these posters absolve Wilsons SB INT more than Eli's throw. Just insanity at this point.
You are right one play does not cost the game, and I never said it did. But to deny that INT didn't change the dynamic of the game is BS. The Eagles finally score, but Eli takes the Giants right back down the field in 1:04 and gets a FG for the final points of the half. You don't think the Eagles go into the locker room shaking their heads? You don't think the Giants feel even better?
Yes the INT did not lose the game, but getting the FG more than likely helps win it.
It was a bad throw and play. Sometimes its that simple.
How many times did Booger say that last night? I had to turn off the sound at the end.
One of the stupidest comments ever posted! D\
They say something multiple times a game that makes you either cringe or perk up and say "What the fuck?"
The Panthers had an eternity to get into FG position and those idiots were screaming about having to clock the ball. The Panthers lost a down doing it and then were stuck on 4th down.
It was a bad throw and play. Sometimes its that simple.
It likely cost 3 points, yes that simple.
Great point, they had a bad 1st series. What happened the rest of the half?
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that the Eagles didnt score coming out of the half with all the "momentum".
It was a bad throw and play. Sometimes its that simple.
It likely cost 3 points, yes that simple.
Great point, they had a bad 1st series. What happened the rest of the half?
They opened the magic box of momentum that the Giants gave them nearly an hour before and used it to their advantage.
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that the Eagles didnt score coming out of the half with all the "momentum".
It was a bad throw and play. Sometimes its that simple.
It likely cost 3 points, yes that simple.
Great point, they had a bad 1st series. What happened the rest of the half?
and how much did we lose by?
It goes both ways, too. We were dead against Chicago until Rosas hit the 57 yarder before halftime. That changed the energy of the team in the 2nd half.
Their point is right. Rivers' back breaking INT at the end of the half against KC on the road.... gave them no chance to win the game.
Oh wait... that example doesnt fit their story.