NFT: Tuesday Mets Talk - Rajai Davis

Matt Harvey to LAA - 1 year deal.

How fast things can change in the sports world....

And a mere 4 months ago arc was a Mets fan..... yes things certainly do change fast in sports

Chapman in the 8th inning of Game 7 of the '16 World Series vs. the Cubs? Same dude? I remember his last name was Davis.

Just curious because that dude, if this is indeed him, probably took 10 years off my brother in law's life.

In comment 14225442 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Chapman in the 8th inning of Game 7 of the '16 World Series vs. the Cubs? Same dude? I remember his last name was Davis. Just curious because that dude, if this is indeed him, probably took 10 years off my brother in law's life.

Yep - same guy.

And given that JDG, Thor and Wheeler are all in their prime, it makes sense

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BVW realizes he has to win right away if he wants the Wilson’s to spend. The only time Sandy got a big budget was after 2015 and his downfall was that he made s series of horrendous moves with that big budget

I think BVG is looking to prod the Wilpons to spend with some instant success

In comment 14224811 Shecky said:

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Have to fill the AA and AAA rosters. And target the middle man FAmarket low ball themin AAV and/or years with a job today - be surprised how many are worried about being squeezed and scrambling in Feb. at the same time, I’d keepopen the possibility of a Machado/Harper - why box yourself out???

I so agree with this. I feel like the most crucial holes have been filled that we had to be aggressive with. I still want an OF but if Cespedes comes back for the second half how big of a need is it really? I'd let the market come to us now. Don't box yourself out and see if you can come away with a few steals. Also, you never know what could happen with Harper... things change daily.

Mets payroll in 2015 was 19th in the league. The Mets were top 10 in payroll ONE season under Sandy Alderson (his first). That season he inherited Santana, Beltran, Bay etc. So he wasn't responsible for the majority of that team. In fact the most expensive player added in 2011 was Chris Capuano 1.5 million.

Mets payroll Sandy's final 3 seasons ranked 15, 15, 13. The Wilpons have not spent like normal owners since 2011.

In comment 14225525 DanMetroMan said:

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Mets payroll Sandy's final 3 seasons ranked 15, 15, 13. The Wilpons have not spent like normal owners since 2011.

And those rankings include Wright. Regardless of whether anyone thinks that's the right or wrong thing to do, at minimum it inflates the rankings since the insurance money came back.

and half their front office died in the avalanche, the Dodgers payroll would probably take a hit too for a few years. Im being ridiculous of course but we know the Madoff stuff happened. Everyone knows about it. It sucked.

It spurred a deep rebuild that was either successful or not depending on who you ask. It seems to be over now or in the least things seemed to have recovered somewhat. The Wilpons spent big time before the Madoff scandal. Im guessing they spend again in the future. I think our payroll finishes within 30-40 million of the luxury tax, which all teams including the mighty Yankees are now striving to stay under.

“We don’t need to move one of those guys”, Van Wagenen said. “There’s been a lot of interest from other teams, both before [the Ramos signing] and certainly after, that gives us an indication that teams value our players highly.”

He also noted d’Arnaud’s ability — and eagerness — to play other positions, and how it gives credence to the idea of keeping and carrying all three catchers.

“I think that Travis’ versatility to be able to play first, his willingness to explore third base and left field gives us [confidence] that we could carry three catchers given the fact that [d’Arnaud] could be an offensive-minded player that can fit around the diamond,” he said. “As we’re looking to build 25 guys, he can be a really interesting guy for us.”

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and half their front office died in the avalanche, the Dodgers payroll would probably take a hit too for a few years. Im being ridiculous of course but we know the Madoff stuff happened. Everyone knows about it. It sucked. It spurred a deep rebuild that was either successful or not depending on who you ask. It seems to be over now or in the least things seemed to have recovered somewhat. The Wilpons spent big time before the Madoff scandal. Im guessing they spend again in the future. I think our payroll finishes within 30-40 million of the luxury tax, which all teams including the mighty Yankees are now striving to stay under.

I know you said you're being ridiculous, but that's not even an anology. The Mets should never have been relying on funds from Sterling Enterprises to set payroll of the Mets.

Period.

they should have been forced to sell the franchise. period.

Frank McCourt had done far less to embarrass baseball or wane confidence in his ability in LA and Selig forced him to sell after having MLB take over the team.

Only because of Selig's friendship with Wilpon, does Wilpon still own the Mets.

the aftermath or events since is subjective so I won't get into that, but your analogy isn't ridiculous, it's not really an analogy - one a natural disaster resulting in deaths, the other probably (or at least possible) criminal activity leading to gross mismanagement.

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Heard Chris Flexen has lost about 30 pounds after knee surgery last August, hopes to compete for a job with the Mets in spring training.

permanently closed on Mejia with the Mets?

I read he was great in the winter league and I kind of feel like he owes the Mets.

I'd bring him back on a small-ish $$ deal.

In comment 14225644 DanMetroMan said:

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Mike Puma � Verified account @NYPost_Mets Following Following @NYPost_Mets More Heard Chris Flexen has lost about 30 pounds after knee surgery last August, hopes to compete for a job with the Mets in spring training.

Good for him losing the weight, but how does a 24 year old pro athlete even have 30 lbs to lose like that. I mean cmon that is your one job , to stay in shape.

In comment 14225680 debo_GIANTS said:

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In comment 14225644 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Mike Puma � Verified account @NYPost_Mets Following Following @NYPost_Mets More Heard Chris Flexen has lost about 30 pounds after knee surgery last August, hopes to compete for a job with the Mets in spring training. Good for him losing the weight, but how does a 24 year old pro athlete even have 30 lbs to lose like that. I mean cmon that is your one job , to stay in shape.

There's a lot of fat-ish pitchers. It's not like they're swimmers or marathon runners.

In comment 14225640 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 14225603 ZGiants98 said: Quote: and half their front office died in the avalanche, the Dodgers payroll would probably take a hit too for a few years. Im being ridiculous of course but we know the Madoff stuff happened. Everyone knows about it. It sucked. It spurred a deep rebuild that was either successful or not depending on who you ask. It seems to be over now or in the least things seemed to have recovered somewhat. The Wilpons spent big time before the Madoff scandal. Im guessing they spend again in the future. I think our payroll finishes within 30-40 million of the luxury tax, which all teams including the mighty Yankees are now striving to stay under. I know you said you're being ridiculous, but that's not even an anology. The Mets should never have been relying on funds from Sterling Enterprises to set payroll of the Mets. Period. they should have been forced to sell the franchise. period. Frank McCourt had done far less to embarrass baseball or wane confidence in his ability in LA and Selig forced him to sell after having MLB take over the team. Only because of Selig's friendship with Wilpon, does Wilpon still own the Mets. the aftermath or events since is subjective so I won't get into that, but your analogy isn't ridiculous, it's not really an analogy - one a natural disaster resulting in deaths, the other probably (or at least possible) criminal activity leading to gross mismanagement.

JFC. It’s an analogy, because we, as fans dealt with a catastrophe that was unforeseen that effected the franchise for years. It now seems to be recovering. I’m not literally comparing earthquakes and deaths to Madoff. Lighten up Suzan.

In comment 14225669 pjcas18 said:

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permanently closed on Mejia with the Mets? I read he was great in the winter league and I kind of feel like he owes the Mets. I'd bring him back on a small-ish $$ deal.

Considering they dropped him before they had to (there was room on the 40) I doubt it.

In comment 14225729 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14225640 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 14225603 ZGiants98 said: Quote: and half their front office died in the avalanche, the Dodgers payroll would probably take a hit too for a few years. Im being ridiculous of course but we know the Madoff stuff happened. Everyone knows about it. It sucked. It spurred a deep rebuild that was either successful or not depending on who you ask. It seems to be over now or in the least things seemed to have recovered somewhat. The Wilpons spent big time before the Madoff scandal. Im guessing they spend again in the future. I think our payroll finishes within 30-40 million of the luxury tax, which all teams including the mighty Yankees are now striving to stay under. I know you said you're being ridiculous, but that's not even an anology. The Mets should never have been relying on funds from Sterling Enterprises to set payroll of the Mets. Period. they should have been forced to sell the franchise. period. Frank McCourt had done far less to embarrass baseball or wane confidence in his ability in LA and Selig forced him to sell after having MLB take over the team. Only because of Selig's friendship with Wilpon, does Wilpon still own the Mets. the aftermath or events since is subjective so I won't get into that, but your analogy isn't ridiculous, it's not really an analogy - one a natural disaster resulting in deaths, the other probably (or at least possible) criminal activity leading to gross mismanagement. JFC. It’s an analogy, because we, as fans dealt with a catastrophe that was unforeseen that effected the franchise for years. It now seems to be recovering. I’m not literally comparing earthquakes and deaths to Madoff. Lighten up Suzan.

Suzan? WTF does that mean? I made a simple comment to your ridiculous statement and you I think try and insult me.

And you wonder why you are always ridiculed and thought to be a massive asshole.

Now you know.

think Flexen has a shot as a middle reliever but extremely flat FB and meh secondaries. He and Oswalt are very, very meh along with Zach Lee.

In comment 14225781 DanMetroMan said:

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think Flexen has a shot as a middle reliever but extremely flat FB and meh secondaries. He and Oswalt are very, very meh along with Zach Lee.

They are better than Drew Gagnon. That being said, with how injury prone the Mets starting pitchers can be I thought they should have been in on someone like Jesse Chavez in Free Agency. Thought Texas got a good deal with him.

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In comment 14225781 DanMetroMan said: Quote: think Flexen has a shot as a middle reliever but extremely flat FB and meh secondaries. He and Oswalt are very, very meh along with Zach Lee. They are better than Drew Gagnon. That being said, with how injury prone the Mets starting pitchers can be I thought they should have been in on someone like Jesse Chavez in Free Agency. Thought Texas got a good deal with him.

Gagnon sucks too but the difference is probably marginal.

2018
Gagnon AAA 4.46 FIP 9.53 K/9
Oswalt AAA 5.37 FIP 8.94 K/9, MLB 5.70 FIP 6.26 K/9
Flexen AAA 4.62 FIP 7.63 K/9

If there is a difference it's marginal

Whatever that means. Have a good one.

I think you tried to insult me, but because of your high level of incoherent drivel I'm not really sure. I looked up Suzan in urban dictionary and found nothing relevant, so I assume it's more diarrhea that comes out of your fingertips like usual.

have a good day. or GFY.

In comment 14225986 pjcas18 said:

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I think you tried to insult me, but because of your high level of incoherent drivel I'm not really sure. I looked up Suzan in urban dictionary and found nothing relevant, so I assume it's more diarrhea that comes out of your fingertips like usual. have a good day. or GFY.

Haha. Its an expression used in old movies from the 50s but considering the way your acting, it most certainly should mean that you’re a whiny little bitch. Happy holidays to you too fucker. :)

this analogy's equivalent of disaster relief insurance money (new revenues MLB has grown massively in the last several years) and never rebuilt the critical infrastructure to the scale it was previously despite the size/population of the market remaining the same.

If they previously had 2 huge train station hubs bc it's 1 of the most populous cities in the world (a top 5 payroll), when they rebuilt with the disaster relief insurance money they only rebuilt Penn station (a bottom half payroll) and said they'd only spend more to fix Grand central station only if customers buy enough tickets - while also raising ticket prices. The wilpons are like an insurance company 6 years after hurricane sandy still refusing to make full payment, despite having also received disaster relief funds from the government.

We all know what happened. It’s not like I’m condoning the Wilpons for getting in bed with Madoff or anything. Just pointing out “why” the payroll was where it was at for a few years. I think a reasonable amount of time has passed, SNY’s making money... things should / and likely are returning to reasonable spending levels again.

as a "normal" big market team they'd be in on Machado and/or Harper.

rarely has a 26 year old all-world free agent become available at a time when the team had such an obvious hole that either or both would fill.

But because people say "Machado or Harper were never realistic for the Mets...."

means absolutely things have not changed and the Mets are still operating with the impact of Madoff or even more damning they have a philosophy that they simply don't see value in investing in super star talent. It is enough years later that they have no Madoff excuse to use unless...which was my point...they were counting on investment returns from Madoff that were obviously unrealistic to fund the Mets payroll.

for a major market team. That's what the Nats spend, the Cardinals, etc. Last year was their highest OD payroll in years and it was #12 counting Wright. Not counting Wright would have had them at #16. Right now they're under last year's numbers, though I expect they will end up in a similar place.

That difference in spending may not seem huge but it's passing on Miller or Robertson ($10m aav) for a mediocre middle reliever like Blevins or Salas ($3-5m). Think about the difference in prospect quality those 2 types of players return at the deadline and which ones are always in extremely high demand for contenders. Why hard cap ourselves right now when those guys are there for the taking? The rest of the moves out there I can understand bypassing due to risks for cheaper alternatives (like Pollock) bc it's a much bigger $ difference.

It sucks. It imploded the Wilpons among many many others. It obviouslyhit the franchise, and as fans we all had to suffer through it.

But moving forward, the !ets are not their focus or moneymaker. But ironic, the franchise is literally the hub that sits in the middle of it allso the Wilpons NEED a winner. The need a proud franchise. Fred would obviously like one last title. Next few years are really, really important to the Wilpon enterprise.

In comment 14226047 Shecky said:

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It sucks. It imploded the Wilpons among many many others. It obviouslyhit the franchise, and as fans we all had to suffer through it. But moving forward, the !ets are not their focus or moneymaker. But ironic, the franchise is literally the hub that sits in the middle of it allso the Wilpons NEED a winner. The need a proud franchise. Fred would obviously like one last title. Next few years are really, really important to the Wilpon enterprise.

So we're in agreement - sign Andrew Miller or David Robertson bc the next few years are very important!

Eric, I’m not really a fan of “rankings”. You could easily have ten teams spending around the luxury tax so does that make a team just under that cheap? When you have a few teams spending as little as 50 million annually, that spectrum is pretty large. Give me a payroll around 170 million and tell me you have flexibility for a deadline deal and I’ll be pretty happy.

The ranking thing is similar to ranking players by position. You can say a guy is the 20th rated defensive SS, for example, but who cares if every one of the top 20 are positive defenders??

Maybe another bad analogy but I’m sure you get my point.

Hypotheticals as much as anyone but really that should never have been the only avenue to produce a winner or even show they are serious about winning. We had a lot of holes to fill and those players are going to get huge coin and have many suitors. We should set the bar and spend 400 million on one player just to make a point to fans?

No thanks. I’ll take adding 5-7 quality players at position of needs just as easily.

on that. I think that's a very fair number. That would also mean they have another $30m to spend this offseason, which doesn't seem to be the case. Disagree about rankings when it comes to payroll - that's as black and white as it gets. If teams are separated by 1 or 2m nobody would care, but the reality is it's more like $10-15m (or more) less than the teams we are trying to compete with - which is what has caused them to make completely penny wise pound foolish decisions like Bruce instead of Cain. This year's example is the RP market where I hope they don't stupidly bypass 1 of the many top tier options still out there to save a couple million on someone mediocre at best.

In comment 14226064 ZGiants98 said:

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Eric, I’m not really a fan of “rankings”. You could easily have ten teams spending around the luxury tax so does that make a team just under that cheap? When you have a few teams spending as little as 50 million annually, that spectrum is pretty large. Give me a payroll around 170 million and tell me you have flexibility for a deadline deal and I’ll be pretty happy. The ranking thing is similar to ranking players by position. You can say a guy is the 20th rated defensive SS, for example, but who cares if every one of the top 20 are positive defenders?? Maybe another bad analogy but I’m sure you get my point.

The Mets spent 13 million less than the Astros (#9 in spending) and 23 million less than the Angels (#7) you don't think that's a SIGNIFICANT difference in talent? #16 team in spending spend 10 million less than the Mets (Texas) so the Mets were closer to BELOW average in spending than even top 10. 23 million on top of whatever they still have left is a Pollock AND a Robertson type. That's a huge, huge difference.

The payroll stands at 150 million today and BVW has said unequivocally, “we are not done”. I expect a few more moves and it to be in the 160-170 range at minimum which is ok by me.

In comment 14226107 Eric on Li said:

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on that. I think that's a very fair number. That would also mean they have another $30m to spend this offseason, which doesn't seem to be the case. Disagree about rankings when it comes to payroll - that's as black and white as it gets. If teams are separated by 1 or 2m nobody would care, but the reality is it's more like $10-15m (or more) less than the teams we are trying to compete with - which is what has caused them to make completely penny wise pound foolish decisions like Bruce instead of Cain. This year's example is the RP market where I hope they don't stupidly bypass 1 of the many top tier options still out there to save a couple million on someone mediocre at best.

Nailed it. Can't toss around "around 170" as if that's the case. Opening day payroll 2018 150 million. 20 million more than that is an all-star or 2 Familia/Ramos's.. a HUGE roster difference.

to the extent the Mets get any insurance money back, as part of payroll is a joke. IMO it's still true (but to a lesser extent) with Cespedes.

Beat writers who do this should be called out. It lets the Wilpons off the hook. Fans need to see through this and be relentless on social media calling Mets PR out when they try to inflate payroll.

In comment 14226119 ZGiants98 said:

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The payroll stands at 150 million today and BVW has said unequivocally, “we are not done”. I expect a few more moves and it to be in the 160-170 range at minimum which is ok by me.

Not being a dick but I thought you claimed 2 weeks ago the Wright situation was done? If that's the case they would know they had X to spend. Can't have it both ways. Either Wright and the Mets are close to a buyout and have more to spend or that information was false.

In comment 14226118 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 14226064 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Eric, I’m not really a fan of “rankings”. You could easily have ten teams spending around the luxury tax so does that make a team just under that cheap? When you have a few teams spending as little as 50 million annually, that spectrum is pretty large. Give me a payroll around 170 million and tell me you have flexibility for a deadline deal and I’ll be pretty happy. The ranking thing is similar to ranking players by position. You can say a guy is the 20th rated defensive SS, for example, but who cares if every one of the top 20 are positive defenders?? Maybe another bad analogy but I’m sure you get my point. The Mets spent 13 million less than the Astros (#9 in spending) and 23 million less than the Angels (#7) you don't think that's a SIGNIFICANT difference in talent? #16 team in spending spend 10 million less than the Mets (Texas) so the Mets were closer to BELOW average in spending than even top 10. 23 million on top of whatever they still have left is a Pollock AND a Robertson type. That's a huge, huge difference.

I think last year was a bit of a transition year that was riding on replacing guys like Duda, Walker, and Granderson with younger guys like Rosario, Nimmo, and Smith. I think they brought in some vets to help see that through but almost everything went wrong and the youth, except Nimmo struggled. I don’t think last year was a “go for it” year but if you listen to the Wilpons, Sandy had more money to spend at his disposal. I’ve also heard Sandy always worked with a rather large buffer that may have been different than other GMs may have operated.

In comment 14226135 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 14226119 ZGiants98 said: Quote: The payroll stands at 150 million today and BVW has said unequivocally, “we are not done”. I expect a few more moves and it to be in the 160-170 range at minimum which is ok by me. Not being a dick but I thought you claimed 2 weeks ago the Wright situation was done? If that's the case they would know they had X to spend. Can't have it both ways. Either Wright and the Mets are close to a buyout and have more to spend or that information was false.

I never claimed that at all. I said, a poster I couldn’t confirm was legit or not, was claiming it was.

In comment 14226131 Metnut said:

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to the extent the Mets get any insurance money back, as part of payroll is a joke. IMO it's still true (but to a lesser extent) with Cespedes. Beat writers who do this should be called out. It lets the Wilpons off the hook. Fans need to see through this and be relentless on social media calling Mets PR out when they try to inflate payroll.

Yes and no. They may be preparing to do a buyout now and pay a portion of it which would effect things this year. We don’t know yet though.

baseball confirming what we already knew. Zach Lee despite being a 1st round pick is not good.

"Although he has not thrown an MLB pitch in 2018, Zach Lee threw 361 pitches that were tracked by the PITCHf/x system between 2014 and 2017, including pitches thrown in the MLB Regular Season and Spring Training. In 2017, he relied primarily on his Fourseam Fastball (91mph) and Cutter (87mph), also mixing in a Change (83mph). He also rarely threw a Curve (75mph)."

Rookie maximums for at-bats (130), games pitched (30) or innings (50) in the major leagues"

If the 2 leaders are within 5% of each other, or the leader has less than 30% there will be a run-off between the top 2. If a run-off results in a tie the tiebreaker will be vote total in the previous poll, we will continue to "go back" in the polls until there is a clear leader.

*Jeff McNeil is ineligible
*Chris Flexen is ineligible
*Drew Smith is ineligible
*Tyler Bashlor is ineligible

1) Andres Gimenez (SS) AA 19/37 votes- 51%
2) Peter Alonso (1B) AAA 24/36 votes- 67%
3) Ronny Mauricio (SS) Kingsport 12/33-36%
4) Mark Vientos (3b) Kingsport 16/31-52%
5) David Peterson (LHP) A+ 21/31- 68%
6) Franklyn Kilome (RHP) AA 20/33-61%
7) Thomas Szapucki (LHP) A 18/32-56%
8) Shervyen Newton (SS) Kingsport 12/30-40%, Run-off with Anthony Kay 17/33-52%
9) Anthony Kay (LHP) AA 18/26-69%
10) Simeon Woods-Richardson (RHP) Kingsport 12/30-40%
11) Luis Santana (2B) 15/26-58%
12) Will Toffey (3B) 10/29-34%, run-off with Cecchini 15/27-56%
13) Gavin Cecchini (2b) 14/26-46%
14) Francisco Alvarez (C) 9/26-35%
15) Dez Lindsay (OF) 7/18-39%
16) Tony Dibrell (RHP) 9/23-39%
17) Jordan Humphreys (RHP) 7/21-33%, Run-off with Nido 18/24-75%
18) Ross Adolph (OF) 6/25-24%, run-off with Nido 18/25-72%
19) Adam Hill (RHP) 4/26-15%, Run-off with Nido/Crismatt 11/26-58%
20) Junior Santos (RHP) 6/28-21%, Run-off with Nido 11/20-55%
21) Tomas Nido (C) 10/23-43%
22) Luis Guillorme (SS) 9/24-38%
23) Adrian Hernandez 6/26-23%, run-off with Wahl/Cortes 8/15-53%
24) Carlos Cortes (2b) 8/21-38%
25) Steven Villines (RHP) 4/16 25%, Run-off with Thompson/Wahl 9/23-39%
26) David Thompson (3b) 8/23-35%
27) Ali Sanchez (C) 9/17-53%
28) Bobby Wahl (RHP) 11/25-44%
29) Eric Hanhold (RHP) 7/21-33%, run-off 7/20-35%
30) Luis Carpio (IF) 4/18-22%, runoff with Uriarte 9/14-64%
31) Stanley Consuegra (OF) 4/20-20%, runoff with Uriarte/Valdez 6/17-35%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
32) Juan Uriarte (C) 4/19-21%
33) Freddy Valdez (OF) 7/17-41%
34) Daniel Zamora (LHP) 3/17-18%, run-off with Montes De Oca 10/12-83%
35) Jaylen Palmer (??) 3/12-25%, run-off with Montes de Oca/Vilera 9/16-56%
36) Ryley Gilliam (RHP) 5/22-23%, run-off with Manea 8/16-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
37) Matt Winaker (OF) 4/22-18
38) Kyle Dowdy (RHP) 6/20-30%, run-off with Vilera 9/12-75%

to win, but you don't often see Machado or Harper caliber players become available for $$$ only - especially when you have a need at their positions. Machado wouldn't even cost a draft pick.

This should be a no-brainer pursuit.

I would set a limit on the value, I don't suggest becoming Tom Hicks and the 2001 Rangers being absurd with Arod, but the pursuit should absolutely happen.

So of course there are other ways to win, but settling for Cano (or 5 - 7 bodies) instead of Machado (and others) is settling and half-assing things as a franchise. It's Jason Bay over Matt Holliday times 5.

accept it since we have no choice as fans (unless you're arc and want to jump ship) but at least acknowledge it and don't sugar coat it.

If they are, Machado is a nobrainer.

Since they weren’t. I begged for Machado AND Harper. Two players ;)

The best closer in baseball last year who’s 24, arguably the best setup man on the market who can also close, one of the top 2 catchers available in FA, and a hall of Famer coming off a huge second half are

“Just bodies”.

Got it.

And according to Britton/Demayo that's fully counting Wright/Cespedes.

Give me:
~10m for another multi-year back end reliever (I'd prefer Miller but Robertson or Soria work)
~$8-12m for a 1 year SP (I'd prefer Gio but Sanchez or Milley could work)
~$3m+ incentives for Jon Jay (what he made last year, Gomez is a cheaper option I'd be ok with too)
~Trade Dom Smith for a similar aged "early bust" P or CF, with options, who can provide depth at a position of need

That's under the $170m before even counting the $15m-20m in insurance money they are likely to receive. This team, with those players added, can compete with the Nats even if Harper comes back.

In comment 14226181 Shecky said:

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If they are, Machado is a nobrainer. Since they weren’t. I begged for Machado AND Harper. Two players ;)

I know the Mets aren't the Yankees and I don't envy the Yankees (or hate them) but my father is a diehard Yankees fan and before the 2008/2009 off-season my father and I were talking hot stove and he said the Yankees will sign both CC Sabathia and Mark Teixeira. I said BS. they'll sign one, but not both.

He said they have a need for both, it's just $$, so that's what they'll do.

What did they do? Not just CC and Tex, but they added in AJ Burnett for good measure.

and then won a World Series.

I agree with you the Mets SHOULD have been in on both.

I'd have been fine with one.

Neither is 100% because of $$$.

simple.

Which would you rather have?

A: Machado, Kimbrel, Familia (and keep Kelenic and Dunn)
B: Cano, Diaz, Familia (and lose Kelenic and Dunn)

If you answer A you are a massive homer idiot.

that's the difference between not spending and "adding bodies".

Even if you still prefer Diaz to Kimbrel because you think based on one season he's better than Kimbrel and he's obviously younger. Then you still HAVE to prefer to add Machado and then can also trade Kelenic and Dunn for Diaz.

Some people cannot separate the Diaz and Cano transactions and they are absolutely separate transactions (or should be thought of that way by fans).