So the Mets invite him to spring training. Still a fast guy. Approaching 40.
What do we know? Seems relatively durable. Good vet presence? Pinch-runner? Spot CF? Can’t be for but a few bucks. Good move?
As long as he’s been around, I know next to nothing about the guy.
How does this move affect any other possible OF moves?
Happy Tuesday, BBI!
is obviously sarcasm....calling out one person.
"Luis Carpio, 2B/SS, Mets' No. 17
Carpio's .219 average was the fifth worst among qualified hitters in the Class A Advanced Florida State League last season. He did, however, hit a career-high 12 homers and 21 doubles in the pitcher-friendly league, and there are quite a few signs that the 21-year-old is in store for more success moving forward. Specifically, Carpio had a surprisingly low .242 batting average on balls in play last season even though 52.2 percent of his contact was either a fly ball or line drive. He also struck out a reasonable 18.4 percent clip, had an equally reasonable 9.4 percent swinging-strike rate and walked 9.3 percent of the time."
This the stuff that drives me nuts. What does that have to do with what I said at all. At worst, it’s “one of the top” setup men but looking at 2018, he was better than Miller and Robertson based on fWAR. You could certainly make a case.
Which would you rather have?
A: Machado, Kimbrel, Familia (and keep Kelenic and Dunn)
B: Cano, Diaz, Familia (and lose Kelenic and Dunn)
If you answer A you are a massive homer idiot.
that's the difference between not spending and "adding bodies".
Even if you still prefer Diaz to Kimbrel because you think based on one season he's better than Kimbrel and he's obviously younger. Then you still HAVE to prefer to add Machado and then can also trade Kelenic and Dunn for Diaz.
Some people cannot separate the Diaz and Cano transactions and they are absolutely separate transactions (or should be thought of that way by fans).
What kind of garbage hypothetical is that? So we are going to spend 300 million on Machado, 100 million on Kimbel and still sign Familia? Are you not factoring the Ramos signing and future moves in liu of those big signing? Also you said if I answer A I am an idiot and I’m prerty sure that’s the opposite of what you meant? Are you off and drinking today? Cheers buddy!
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had Familia 3rd best RP, FG's has him 4th, SB nation had him 5th, MLB.com 3rd
This the stuff that drives me nuts. What does that have to do with what I said at all. At worst, it’s “one of the top” setup men but looking at 2018, he was better than Miller and Robertson based on fWAR. You could certainly make a case.
Because this is a routine pattern with you so you get called out. Instead of just saying one of the better RP's available you insist on going to
" arguably the best setup man on the market who can also close, " when really nobody I can see has made that argument and barring a shocker the salaries will represent that. If Familia gets the most money outside of Kimbrel I will say "ZGiants had a point". I'd be beyond shocked.
It's a loser mentality to not pursue Machado.
Add Ramos to the list.
Who would you prefer (and I'll simplify):
A: Machado, Familia, Ramos
B: Cano, Familia, Ramos
Cute Mr. fWAR... why was Ottavino omitted? And yeah the contracts generally represent the value of the player. You believe Familia will get more than the other names? Wanna place a wager Familia doesn't get the second best deal (Kimbrel obviously #1).
Pj was claiming Familia was “just a body”. That’s a bunch of bullshit.
It's a loser mentality to not pursue Machado.
Add Ramos to the list.
Who would you prefer (and I'll simplify):
A: Machado, Familia, Ramos
B: Cano, Familia, Ramos
The bold is the only reason I commented. Anyone else I would have ignored it.
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And me saying arguably the best and pointing out he might have been better than Robertson and Miller somehow makes you feel the need to jump in and tear apart the whole point and argument. Got it.
Cute Mr. fWAR... why was Ottavino omitted? And yeah the contracts generally represent the value of the player. You believe Familia will get more than the other names? Wanna place a wager Familia doesn't get the second best deal (Kimbrel obviously #1).
Wait werrent we talking about “arguably setup men”. Didn’t Ottavino take over closing duties last year? Also, he had less of a track record at that level than Familia so again.... arguably... And why do you keep bringing up Kimbrell?? We were talking about setup men. Is Kimbrell a setup man?
McNeil, Plawecki, TDA, Rajai Davis, Dom Smith... horrendous. Gotta add some depth
That is what is bullshit. That is spin to say the Mets don't want to pay for the value of the better free agents.
There is ZERO reason the Mets shouldn't have Machado and Familia and Ramos.
As soon as you start spinning it to say you prefer what they did (so far) to what they should do, is when you move from objective fan to blind homer.
Uh... not really. I’m saying they all count but you can certainly make a case for Familia so what is the point of railroading the discussion?
The hilarious thing is you do the same thing the opposite way. You routinely use words like 100% not happening, ect. when you could say “not likely” .
Whatever.
Which would you rather have?
A: Machado, Kimbrel, Familia (and keep Kelenic and Dunn)
B: Cano, Diaz, Familia (and lose Kelenic and Dunn)
If you answer A you are a massive homer idiot.
that's the difference between not spending and "adding bodies".
Even if you still prefer Diaz to Kimbrel because you think based on one season he's better than Kimbrel and he's obviously younger. Then you still HAVE to prefer to add Machado and then can also trade Kelenic and Dunn for Diaz.
Some people cannot separate the Diaz and Cano transactions and they are absolutely separate transactions (or should be thought of that way by fans).
It’s literally Kimbrel for all those years or familia and Ramos. Dollar wise. Without the LT commit. And keeping a 2nd and intl slot money. If I’m answering honestly, I take b in that scenario.
Well I guess I misunderstood then. Why bring him up or his potential contract at all then?
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man, I brought up Kimbrel to say obviously he's not part of the discussion. I've made that clear.
Well I guess I misunderstood then. Why bring him up or his potential contract at all then?
Because he's the consensus #1 RP and will 100% be closing so the rankings all have HIM #1 but that's not relevant to Familia...
False. I wanted JD Martinez last year and didn’t think we were a playoff team unless everything went perfectly. If we signed Harper or Machado of course I would like it. No chance I’d have us at 100 wins or anything close to it, especially in liu of other moves it could potentially be a net neutral.
Lol. When was this? 5 years ago? Please. Let’s not play this game Mr. Nimmo will NEVER be more than a 4th OF for years guy.
I assume none of the above is argued. Bottom line is Mets needed to fix a terrible pen. Can anyone say they have a problem with the 8th and 9th inning answers in the Mets pen for this upcoming season? I assume we can all agree on this answer - and how often can allof us here agree on anything?
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I can’t think if anyone on here who had the over on 12/19 being the first Z v D argument
Honest question. Are there five teams in mLB who have a better 1/2 combination for the next three years? Our problem has always been question marks at 1/2 and counting on too many question marks to fill slots 2-4 as of today, Gis 4th in the pen. And can easily be surpassed by several arms. Easily.
Lefty, yeah we need one. But if I am being honest, I would absolutely have zero problem if we add another arm and ride out a cheap Blevins arm for the year.
7th inning, Freeman coming up with tying run on 2nd with two out. I personally prefer Familia being called in to get him out than 95% of lefties just because he’s a lefty. I’m def old school there.
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pen is still mediocre. The only lefty throws 85 and is full unproven and Gsellman is really oddly overrated by Mets fans given his 2016. EVERYONE said they needed to essentially overhaul the pen. 2 arms help but it's still below average.. as of last week everyone was still all about Andrew Miller, Mets bail and "meh the pen is fixed?" and as I said the bench is truly awful and that's with Juan Lagares currently the starting CF...
Honest question. Are there five teams in mLB who have a better 1/2 combination for the next three years? Our problem has always been question marks at 1/2 and counting on too many question marks to fill slots 2-4 as of today, Gis 4th in the pen. And can easily be surpassed by several arms. Easily.
Lefty, yeah we need one. But if I am being honest, I would absolutely have zero problem if we add another arm and ride out a cheap Blevins arm for the year.
7th inning, Freeman coming up with tying run on 2nd with two out. I personally prefer Familia being called in to get him out than 95% of lefties just because he’s a lefty. I’m def old school there.
Shecky.. Blevins is done. So no that's not an acceptable option. He 35 years old and posted a 4.96 FIP. He didn't even get lefties out this year (.786 OPS against) no contender goes into 2019 with Zamora/Blevins.
This season,he is AT BESt 4 in the pen. Could easily fall to 5 or 6. That’s how I’d measure the progress.
It's probably because you are intentionally obtuse in an effort to be a unrepentant fanboy.
I never claimed Familia is "just a body" I have said repeatedly I love the signing. It's your approach I took issue with. You are justifing a shitty approach by the Mets.
Compare him to the typical bottom of the pen, loogy. If that’s the biggest hole on the roster, yeah I’m ok with it. I know I’m in the minority, not arguing it’s a good option. But I’d focus everywhere else first
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Rather than join me in agreement that PJs comment about the players we acquired as being “just bodies” ( the far more ridiculous statement) Dan wants to call join him on the attack because I said “Familia is arguably the best setup man” which isn’t ridiculous at all. I don’t mind being called out, but at least be fair otherwise it just seems like it’s trying to pick on somebody.
It's probably because you are intentionally obtuse in an effort to be a unrepentant fanboy.
I never claimed Familia is "just a body" I have said repeatedly I love the signing. It's your approach I took issue with. You are justifing a shitty approach by the Mets.
I’ve suggested many different approaches to this offseason including going after Harper and Machado fuck you very much.
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Love ya Dan, but I’d prefer some full disclosure from you on his steamer projection