So the Mets invite him to spring training. Still a fast guy. Approaching 40.
What do we know? Seems relatively durable. Good vet presence? Pinch-runner? Spot CF? Cant be for but a few bucks. Good move?
As long as hes been around, I know next to nothing about the guy.
How does this move affect any other possible OF moves?
Happy Tuesday, BBI!
Team can actually follow through on their talk and use their high ,everage arms in high leverage situations, regardless of inning lol
Neither do I. But I trust Familia. Dont you?
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LOL
Love ya Dan, but Id prefer some full disclosure from you on his steamer projection
What do you mean? Here is Blevins.. if you prefer "depth charts" they project a 4.59 FIP. Based on what would anyone but optimistic about Jerry Blevins in 2019? Did you see 2018 as a fluke? Quite the opposite.. .263 BABIP. He was even worse than his ERA
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Rather than join me in agreement that PJs comment about the players we acquired as being just bodies ( the far more ridiculous statement) Dan wants to call join him on the attack because I said Familia is arguably the best setup man which isnt ridiculous at all. I dont mind being called out, but at least be fair otherwise it just seems like its trying to pick on somebody.
It's probably because you are intentionally obtuse in an effort to be a unrepentant fanboy.
I never claimed Familia is "just a body" I have said repeatedly I love the signing. It's your approach I took issue with. You are justifing a shitty approach by the Mets.
Ive suggested many different approaches to this offseason including going after Harper and Machado fuck you very much.
Sure you did, it's right here in this thread. This is what I responded to.
Point is you think like a loser and then feel obligated to defend your loser position.
And then you add in shit no one else suggested.
No one said Machado should be signed to "make a point to fans" Where did anyone even suggest that? Nowhere, you made it up.
Second, the Mets should be thinking Machado and Familia and Ramos and Gio, but the key is Machado. 26 years old all-world superstar, available just for $$$ and the Mets opted instead to add a 36 year old, PED punished, already making 2/3 or more of what Machado will make. FOR MONEY, that's why, they did it for money.
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Hypotheticals as much as anyone but really that should never have been the only avenue to produce a winner or even show they are serious about winning. We had a lot of holes to fill and those players are going to get huge coin and have many suitors. We should set the bar and spend 400 million on one player just to make a point to fans?
No thanks. Ill take adding 5-7 quality players at position of needs just as easily.
Im glad for you the only solution to improving the team was Machado/Harper or bust. Enjoy your miserable existence.
Again. If we ignore the pen the rest of the offseason. And Blevins wins the loogy job in spring training. As the last arm out of the pen. No. Iwould not be concerned with him as the 25th man on the roster. As the THIRD option at best to get a lefty out.
FYI, his steamer is based on him pitching 10 innings in 2019. So his FIp projection would literally tumble if he pitches a good two more innings lol
Im glad for you the only solution to improving the team was Machado/Harper or bust. Enjoy your miserable existence.
So it's confirmed. The English language and your lack of comprehending it, is the root of most of your issues here.
that and the fact you have the online personality of an asshole.
Justin Wilson .188/.301/.342
Xavier Cedeno .207/.281/.293
These 3 are FA that doesn't include Miller and surely other FA + trade targets.
Again. If we ignore the pen the rest of the offseason. And Blevins wins the loogy job in spring training. As the last arm out of the pen. No. Iwould not be concerned with him as the 25th man on the roster. As the THIRD option at best to get a lefty out.
FYI, his steamer is based on him pitching 10 innings in 2019. So his FIp projection would literally tumble if he pitches a good two more innings lol
Lol didn't even catch that but his projection remains the same, trust me lol
Justin Wilson .188/.301/.342
Xavier Cedeno .207/.281/.293
These 3 are FA that doesn't include Miller and surely other FA + trade targets.
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(Where I was clearly referrring to the 4 of which we already added + potentially more) is vastly different than you countering with just bodies.
Im glad for you the only solution to improving the team was Machado/Harper or bust. Enjoy your miserable existence.
So it's confirmed. The English language and your lack of comprehending it, is the root of most of your issues here.
that and the fact you have the online personality of an asshole.
No... more like the lack of you following a discussion for more than a few posts compounded with you being the whiny little twat that you are, makes things difficult sometimes.
I've been on this site for almost 12 years and I have been pretty active and have literally had an issue with one poster. Yes, you. the only one - whether it was politics when those threads were allowed, sports, entertainment, you name it. I've had disagreements, but people state their cases and move on. You get personal and drag it on.
When people disagree with you, you respond by insulting them.
In this case, the situation occurred because I responded, totally politely, to your asinine earthquake post and you felt the need to lash out and insult me.
I don't have a professional degree in psychology, but based on your interactions here my assessment is you have a lack of self-esteem. You take everything personally and cannot engage in adult conversation and exchange of ideas without insults and juvenile barbs.
It's a fundamental process of growing up you may want to work on.
I apologize the other posters on this thread and Mets fans in general. I hate to think that you carry on this way on other threads on other sites, giving Mets fans a bad name.
In the future when I see ZG post I'll try and ignore his posts best I can or if he attacks me I'll let it slide and chalk it up to a medical/mental issue (no offense).
figgy was right, these threads should be about fans getting to exchange ideas and discuss what so far has been and eventful and exciting (not all good, but some good) off-season.
Again, my apologies to the other Mets fans on here. I'm embarrassed by this thread and my contribution to it.
Yankees have Giancarlo Stanton, Aaron Judge, Gleyber Torres, Miguel Andujar (all RH, let's be generous and leave switch hitter Aaron Hicks out of it)
Mets signed Wilson Ramos, have a gimpy Yoenis Cespedes, and Peter Alonso
Yesterday: One of these teams made a statement saying they are set with right handed middle of the order bats and the other hired a former Mets icon to work in their front office who is friends with/shares an agent with Manny Machado in advance of a meeting with Machado today.
So when we talk about Mets payroll.. this is what pisses me off: Give them the benefit, say Madoff had everything to do with it and say they aren't at fault for what happened there (which is arguable). Then WHY LIE!?
For years they insisted it wasn't impacting baseball operations, for years they said they weren't rebuilding and Sandy spewed BS about how they were trying their best to put a competitive team on the field every year to win a WS, and NOW we have BVW following suit and saying that "they are set with RH middle of the order bats"...when the team across town had 4 4+ fWAR players vs the Mets 1 last year and are STILL looking to add Harper or Machado...
New year, New GM, same shitty budget constraints.
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New year, New GM, same shitty budget constraints.
I mean.. when he comes out and starts talking about them being arguably the best team in the division.. that sounds like contentment, not a guy who is still trying to drastically improve the team...
Hoping with all hope that I'm just conditioned to Sandy's BS and that BVW is actually just being coy, and he's going to be aggressive behind the scenes and shock the sports world.... but I doubt it.
Sounds like Wilpon approved Sandy-speak to me...
What a joke.
I like the drawn in arrow, as if we didn't know what to look at in the picture
well they're also trolling Machado. this is pretty funny.
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Davis too Dan. There's no way he makes it out of camp. He was one of the worst hitters in baseball lat year.
He's 38 years old. I can't see him in the minors.
He's 38 years old. I can't see him in the minors.
+1
But I 100% agree with Dan that the BP needs more. Back end is as good as anyone, front end is empty. Adding Miller or Robertson would rival the Yankees BP the past few years. And I see no excuse to not do it with where they are payroll wise. No other major needs, tons of good options available, market price is reasonable so far.
For the bench, I think they 100% need a borderline starter caliber CF to compete with Lagares. At minimum someone like Jon Jay who can play a lot if necessary. For the rest of it, it's harder to say. They have backup catching options now, Guillorme could be a good backup defensive SS at minimum and deserves a chance, if Rivera is healthy we know he can hit. Once Alonso comes up either Frazier or McNeil will be on the bench.
Josh Harrison, Dietrich, Neil walker, Brad Miller. See what span would sign for? See what Moose would cost to start at third.
Not saying we dont need a guy or two in the mix but that's before I even get to guys like Dom Smith, Cecchini, ect.
Not saying we dont need a guy or two in the mix but that's before I even get to guys like Dom Smith, Cecchini, ect.
Who is this CF who is moving Lagares to the bench? You make it sound like that's a given. Does Jon Jay make the bench better? Maybe marginally. McNeil is good, Rivera is 30 and unproven and those are your 2 best players. That's a bad bench sorry.
Spike... he was one of the worst players in all of baseball.
.247/.290/.348, wRC+ of 79... he had 198 ab's as a Met and struck out 74 times. I suspect he retires.
Wilmer was never given a chance to star full time
Me too. Bat Nimmo and Dietrich in the 1 and 2 spot and well have automatic baserunners via HBP.
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Spike... he was one of the worst players in all of baseball.
.247/.290/.348, wRC+ of 79... he had 198 ab's as a Met and struck out 74 times. I suspect he retires.
Like spike said, he wasnt half bad.
He was FULL Bad
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One of Frazier or McNeil is already on it. I assume TJ Rivera is going to get a pretty good crack at it. Assuming we sign an OF, you also have Lagares on it. Right now there is Plawecki and TDA is being touted for his willingness to be versatile.
Not saying we dont need a guy or two in the mix but that's before I even get to guys like Dom Smith, Cecchini, ect.
Who is this CF who is moving Lagares to the bench? You make it sound like that's a given. Does Jon Jay make the bench better? Maybe marginally. McNeil is good, Rivera is 30 and unproven and those are your 2 best players. That's a bad bench sorry.
Easily could be Nimmo but I said "assuming we sign a OF, which Brody has said he would like to add a bazillion times sp thats where I got that from.
Still.... too fun not to share...
" So I'm not too sure how much the Metsmerized group here would
appreciate this bit of rumor news so take it with a grain of salt. But
for someone like myself who knows a few individuals who participated at
the winter meetings in various facets, let's just make a few things very
clear:
1. Brodie is a very committed and hard working
person and he has impressed quite a few front office personnel and
players throughout the game thus far.
2. He is bold and brash in
his approach and takes pride in his abilities. Ownership is fully
invested in his strategy to build a winner NOW. They are entirely
flexible on payroll to the point where parameters could potentially
shift forward to approximately the 175 million mark with his
recommendation.
3. DO NOT believe any rumor the media shares.
They are seeded false misdirects almost daily from the front office. As
you can see every move the team has made thus far has gone almost
entirely over their head. And that will continue.....
Which leads me to the final and potentially greatest misdirect Brodie and Co. has up their sleeves...
At approximately 11:30 EST on December 7, David Wright received a call
from a certain former general manager and current front office assistant
Omar Minaya. At the request of Mr. Brodie Van Wagenen and the Ownership
group, he was asked to join the team for a private meeting with Agent
Scott Boras and his Client Mr. Bryce Harper at the Four Seasons hotel
inside the Mandalay Bay resort. To avoid media exposure, this meeting
took place away from the winter meetings conference area within the main
hotel unbeknownst to any party outside of the Mets front office and
Scott Boras agency.
During this meeting, Brodie, David, Jeff and
the rest of the Mets team presented a scenario from multiple
perspectives to introduce the possibility of Bryce becoming the new face
of the New York Mets. This would include the title of captain and
leader, highest paid player in New York City. As some of you may know,
Mr. Harper recently purchased a very lucrative and conveniently located
penthouse in the city where various Mets players currently reside. He
has the utmost desire to play in New York.
Anyways to recap:
1.
Bryce Harper has requested his agent Scott Boras to inquire on both New
York teams' interest as he has a very strong desire to play for either
the Mets or Yankees. A meeting did indeed take place in secret within
the Four Seasons hotel on Tuesday December 11 with Mets brass. Scott
Boras was told to keep this meeting completely confidential. The only
bit of information seeded to the media was that a mystery owner arrived
to meet with them and David Wright was present as a consultant for the
team. As for David...
2. David Wright has begun a role as
ambassador for the front office to offer his support as a persuasive
agent for top tier free agents that could potentially assume his
leadership and status role with the organization. Bryce Harper being the
perfect example. If Harper is not obtained, Nolan Arenando would be the
next opportunity next season. The team is indeed searching for a new
franchise player.
3. Jeff Wilpon and the Ownership group are
motivated to win now and are willing to shift the parameters of their
financial limitations to accomplish this goal. Let's just say Fred
Wilpon is not getting any younger and he wants a championship real bad.
They are seeking a franchise player to replace David Wright who can
ultimately lead them to a title.
4. Brodie has begun a full on
sales pitch to recruit Bryce Harper and clear as much salary as possible
in the meantime. Signing Wilson Ramos who has a positive relationship
from their time in Washington a good first example. Part of the reason
he is looking to deal Noah Syndergaard is to potentially avoid any
negative confrontations and chemistry disruption due to their previous
issues on the field and through social media. Most likely Noah would
stay at this point in time.
5. I was also told the Mets potential
contract offer could get extremely creative by offering deferment with
highly lucrative incentives. This deal would not have ANY opt outs as
the team wants him to maintain loyalty as the franchise superstar and
captain for years to come. Expect extreme length and less annual value.
My estimation and I know you won't hear this until at least until after
the holidays but the Mets are the favorites for Bryce Harper.
Significantly in fact. I would not be surprised if the Mets offered him a
14 year deal until his age 40 season. Annual value 27 million per year
bringing the contract to around 14 years and 380 million dollars.
Of course the last piece is entire speculation at this point. Regardless,
fact of the matter is the Mets and Boras/Harper have indeed met and
expressed sincere interest. The team is currently moving as many chess
pieces as possible to go forward in January with his acquisition. And I
really look forward to seeing how this plays out. Good luck Mets fans
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One of Frazier or McNeil is already on it. I assume TJ Rivera is going to get a pretty good crack at it. Assuming we sign an OF, you also have Lagares on it. Right now there is Plawecki and TDA is being touted for his willingness to be versatile.
Not saying we dont need a guy or two in the mix but that's before I even get to guys like Dom Smith, Cecchini, ect.
Who is this CF who is moving Lagares to the bench? You make it sound like that's a given. Does Jon Jay make the bench better? Maybe marginally. McNeil is good, Rivera is 30 and unproven and those are your 2 best players. That's a bad bench sorry.
Easily could be Nimmo but I said "assuming we sign a OF, which Brody has said he would like to add a bazillion times sp thats where I got that from.
Sounds great in theory... until you look at the available OF's the top available OF outside of Harper is probably Adam Jones who very likely is a DOWNGRADE over Lagares at this point. The market is unbelievably bad at this point.