Stop beating yourself, which seems to be the Giant mantra for 7 seasons....
There have been too many games over these last 7 seasons, where it wasn't the other team that beat the Giants, it was the Giants themselves.....How many times has this team snatched defeat from the jaws of victory? Until that is changed, we will continue to be stuck in the whirlpool we are in.....
Dammit!
It has been that way for years. I remember a Packers TE making a one-arm catch several years ago on a 4th down play that extended an eventual TD drive, and the commentary here wasn't what a great catch it was- it was that the coverage was terrible.
If the Giants ever come out of the gate with a 3 and out, it isn't because a defense stopped them, it was because they were "flat".
Graham Gano kicked a 63 yard FG to beat us this year, yet the consensus wasn't that he beat us, - it was that we lost because we scored too quickly and allowed the Panthers to drive.
That you, a football guy, don’t believe Eli s interception right before half changed that Eagle game is hard to phantom.
Your loyalty to Eli, or maybe your railing against those who unfairly blame Eli, are getting in the way of the validity of some of your posts.
You should let it go, all you re doing is stirring up irrational dialogue on the Eli issue.
...no question the second Eagles game fits the theme of your thread starter.
But I wouldn't characterize this season (in particular) as one in which the Giants beat themselves.don't think overall
That you, a football guy, don’t believe Eli s interception right before half changed that Eagle game is hard to phantom.
Your loyalty to Eli, or maybe your railing against those who unfairly blame Eli, are getting in the way of the validity of some of your posts.
You should let it go, all you re doing is stirring up irrational dialogue on the Eli issue.
So when I say Wilson's, River's, and Newton's same type of INT had no impact on the final score as well - whats your theory then?
Maybe the initial point is just stupid?
But I wouldn't characterize this season (in particular) as one in which the Giants beat themselves.
Take, for example, Sunday's game. The Titans beat the shit out of us at the LOS, both sides of the ball. We didn't "beat ourselves." We were just beaten.
And how about the early Dallas game and first Philly game? The Giants were just flat out beaten.
And there are other examples as well.
This is pretty much it.
Your chances of winning an NFL game - with all the peripheral that can happen (bad calls, bad luck, etc) - can be somewhat neutralized by controlling the LOS.
Yep... that's why I'm hoping the majority of our Draft is comprised of LOS players.
I can t believe you disagree with that premise
Avoiding the big mistake comes down to executing the little things at every position on the field more often than your opponent. Missed assignments, poor routes, failed blitz pickups, poor blocking schemes and line calls, blown coverages, containment issues, etc ... these are all mental errors that result in negative plays against you.
If you have a plan in place and players who execute that plan with minimal mental errors, you will win much more often than you lose.
So we pick and choose the ones that hurt/help? Seems fair. More along the lines we pick and choose the ones we want to help our story.
That you, a football guy, don’t believe Eli s interception right before half changed that Eagle game is hard to phantom.
Your loyalty to Eli, or maybe your railing against those who unfairly blame Eli, are getting in the way of the validity of some of your posts.
You should let it go, all you re doing is stirring up irrational dialogue on the Eli issue.
I think you meant" hard to fathom" or are you bringing up the "ghosts" of Eli's past?...
Coughlin embarrassed himself when a RB fell backwards into the end zone??
People are really fucking strange.
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He even embarrassed himself in the Super Bowl with his running back falling backwards into the end zone because Coughlin didin't know what to do (and he left a TO for Brady in the process that almost got us).
Coughlin embarrassed himself when a RB fell backwards into the end zone??
People are really fucking strange.
Lol. Ya think?
Too many times this team has shot itself in the foot, with turnovers, dropped balls, penalties, plays called, missed assignments, that have cost us games....
It's almost like it somehow has creeped into the Giant DNA.....and let's face it, a big contributor to it, is coaching......do the guys really believe they are going to win, or when one of those faux pas' happens, do they think, here we go again?
The players have changed, the coaches have changed, but it's still deeply rooted in the Giant's game.....
Good post Uber.
Too many times this team has shot itself in the foot, with turnovers, dropped balls, penalties, plays called, missed assignments, that have cost us games....
It's almost like it somehow has creeped into the Giant DNA.....and let's face it, a big contributor to it, is coaching......do the guys really believe they are going to win, or when one of those faux pas' happens, do they think, here we go again?
The players have changed, the coaches have changed, but it's still deeply rooted in the Giant's game.....
The organization doesn't seem to have a plan in place. Every year they are scrambling to patch holes and plug leaks that they never bother to come up with a cohesive philosophy or identity.
If the people running the organization don't know who they are or who they want to be, it's going to filter down through the coaches to the players. Confusion leads to mental errors, and the vicious cycle goes on.
This. Vs Tennessee we couldn't do any of these things, plus pass protect or catch. But if we could have stopped the run and run the ball better which we did very well verse both Chicago and Washington, we could have kept the game much closer.
I believe that the first year of the DG/PS regime has shown that they want to establish this formula but simply do not have the roster they want to accomplish this. Barkley, Hernandez, Carter, Hill and McIntosh in the draft, Solder and Jamon Brown are all part of the process of getting to be a strong running team. It all starts and ends there. If we can be a physical team then many other things will fall into place. The Center and Right Tackle positions need to be address in free agency. The draft is strong with front 7 players and the need to add to the pass rush is pretty obvious.
Eli Manning may not be the 2011 version anymore but I believe with a better line and a decent defense this team can win with Manning.
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In 07, Dallas in the playoffs seemed in control during the first half, unti Eli engineered one of the best last second scoring drives of his career, It definitely changed the feel of that game, big plays at the end of the half often do.
That you, a football guy, don’t believe Eli s interception right before half changed that Eagle game is hard to phantom.
Your loyalty to Eli, or maybe your railing against those who unfairly blame Eli, are getting in the way of the validity of some of your posts.
You should let it go, all you re doing is stirring up irrational dialogue on the Eli issue.
So when I say Wilson's, River's, and Newton's same type of INT had no impact on the final score as well - whats your theory then?
Maybe the initial point is just stupid?
Dep, you've seen enough of our games, in the past 6 years, to admit we are incapable of gaining, or maintaining, momentum when yet another unforced Eli turnover let's the air outta the team.
We're not as good as Seattle, San Diego, or even Carolina, to make up for those mistakes.
I'm not going to say a turnover doesn't matter, but people literally pinned the loss on Eli for a pick at the end of the half in a game where they were winning by two scores.
No, its not.
So demoralized that they busted their ass and had a great comeback to force OT.
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after Rosas hit the 57-yarder before halftime.
You mean the same Bears who were so demoralized that they gave up?
Or the Bears who looked dead in the water, scored twice late to tie the game and send it to OT.
What are we telling the Bears?
game for a game tying FG and if a proper penalty (out of two on Odell) was called it may have been a go ahead TD drive.
D shit the bed, truly the mantra of this squad for many years, and blew it and the O didn't get another shot.
Way too much was put on that INT before half.
Regarding the Cowboy game in '07.That was a game tying drive, it tied the score.
The INT at half this year may have shifted some momenteum, but the score was the same and the Giants even stopped the Eagles coming out of halftime.
LOL. Yes, because teams come back from being down 2 scores with 1:50 to go ALL THE TIME. It's so common in the NFL. I watch it happen every week, in fact.
Isnt this the point we are trying to make. If an INT in the 2ND QUARTER is the reason why you lose the game - you probabyl suck to begin with.
No game was ever influenced or changed from a 2nd quarter INT. Never, ever, ever.
There are literally people blaming Eli as the main reason for the Philly loss for that INT. I'm assuming by your responses that you're one of them.
People talk about momentum and a lot of fanciful words that mean jack-shit. You know what momentum that INT provided the Eagles? A punt on their opening drive of the 2nd half.
Was the INT a really poor decision and a lost opportunity? You bet. That's about it.
Was the INT a really poor decision and a lost opportunity? You bet. That's about it.
it really is this simple.
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we haven't been a good team for 6 years.
Isnt this the point we are trying to make. If an INT in the 2ND QUARTER is the reason why you lose the game - you probabyl suck to begin with.
No game was ever influenced or changed from a 2nd quarter INT. Never, ever, ever.
I guess we're in agreement there. If you have a strong offense or a strong defense, it's easier to mitigate the damage after dumb turnovers. We've had neither, aside from 2016.
As far as influence over a game, I will disagree. When you have a team accustomed to losing, those type of turnovers just compound the losing attitude. so there is some influence. I'm surprised at how you easily dismiss the human equation out of all this.
Again, I don't blame Eli or the INT for that game. I mostly blame Shurmur for his baffling misuse of Saquon in the 2nd half.
So from my standpoint, why continue to spend all that money. Spend less on a mediocre stop-gap qb, add an additional 1 or 2 key FA, beef up the lines, and THEN go draft the young qb.
"Clark, that's the gift that keeps on giving"
Too many times this team has shot itself in the foot, with turnovers, dropped balls, penalties, plays called, missed assignments, that have cost us games....
It's almost like it somehow has creeped into the Giant DNA.....and let's face it, a big contributor to it, is coaching......do the guys really believe they are going to win, or when one of those faux pas' happens, do they think, here we go again?
The players have changed, the coaches have changed, but it's still deeply rooted in the Giant's game.....
Ok.............now.........how about the games we should have lost over the same period?
Uber, with all due respect, I don't think people got that worked up. Yeah, there was a sliver of a chance, but who actually believed it would happen, given the running commentary of everything that had to happen each week? It was some EXCITEMENT, and after that horrendous start, some of us were just happy to be winning.
Now, all the doom 'n gloomers are pissed that we gave up a few spots in the draft, but hey, the days after the wins, BBI was actually a little bit more fun.
Boy Howdy!
Run the ball, stop the run, harass the QB.
He along with others, have mostly failed (by their actions) to be true to this declaration.
The good ...
A very strong 2018 draft - Saquon Barkley, Will Hernandez (both future ALL PROS); Hill & Carter very solid; signing of "just good enough" Jamon Brown; signing of Alec Ogletree
The bad ....
Losses of LB Devon Kennard, guard DJ Fluker, failure to draft a complementary receiver opposite OBJ, over-paying for Nate Solder
The Ugly ....
Premature release of Damon Harrison, the signings of Patrick Omameh and Jonathan Stewart
Without the self-inflicted wounds, this team could have easily gotten to 9-7 (and probably made the play-offs).