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Giants might be the next team on HBO's Hard Knocks

Giantsfan79 : 12/18/2018 9:53 am
since the Giants don't have a first year head coach, haven't made the playoffs in the last 2 years, and haven't been on Hard Knocks in the last 10 years, they qualify. Since we have OBJ and Barkley, plus the fan base and media market I'd imagine HBO would love to feature the G-Men. If Eli is still on the team next year you've got one more compelling story-line.

Currently the other teams who would qualify - assuming they don't make the playoffs or fire their coach this year are - 49ers, Ravens, Broncos, Redskins, Colts, Raiders, Lions, Seahawks and Cardinals.

Last interesting stat, 3 of the last 5 coaches who's teams have appeared on Hard Knocks have been fired during/after the next season.

Or maybe the Giants fire Shurmur this offseason and hire Belichick, making the whole thing moot. His contract with the Pats is up after this season making him a free agent coach.
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Make's Sense.  
bradshaw44 : 12/18/2018 9:55 am : link
They usually put subpar teams on. But it will be another nice pelt on the wall when we are the first one's to win the Super Bowl following the show.
great, adding insult to injury  
Greg from LI : 12/18/2018 9:55 am : link
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NFL is salivating at the thought of...  
moze1021 : 12/18/2018 9:55 am : link
Beckham and Barkley on Hard Knocks...

Conversely... I think it might drive Eli to retire...lol
The upside is - when they suck next year  
jcn56 : 12/18/2018 9:59 am : link
they'll have another factor to blame it on, which is nice.
Seattle will make the playoffs  
giants#1 : 12/18/2018 9:59 am : link
so they're out.

Ravens/Redskins are rumored to be moving on from their current HCs.
I would love it  
Oscar : 12/18/2018 9:59 am : link
Anyone who says it would be a distraction just take a look at the W-L records for the last 6-7 years. Not exactly the New England Patriots, I doubt a few cameras are going to derail anything.

I would love it  
Heisenberg : 12/18/2018 9:59 am : link
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Ravens have a good shot at the playoffs  
ZogZerg : 12/18/2018 10:01 am : link
I don't see them getting rid of Harbough.
I would love it  
Stu11 : 12/18/2018 10:07 am : link
Really enjoyed seeing the behind the scenes Devils stuff in the behind the glass thing the NHL network did about training camp this season. I don't know why any fan wouldn't enjoy watching it about their team, but then again that's why we love Greg lol. Honestly though I think it really is a good idea for the leagues. It really humanizes the players/coaches. I know seeing John Hynes shoot hoops with his daughter and interact with his family really put a different spin on calling for his head with the Devs struggles this year. If the move has to be made it has to be made but it makes you see them as human beings.
Is there a real risk that some team won't volunteer?  
RobCarpenter : 12/18/2018 10:07 am : link
Somehow I find that hard to believe.
It's stupid contrived soap opera-like horseshit, that's why  
Greg from LI : 12/18/2018 10:09 am : link
If it were filmed in a way similar to, say, the 24/7 series on the Rangers and Flyers several years ago, I'd feel differently. It's not. It's basically TLC reality show crap for sports.
I think  
Steve in Greenwich : 12/18/2018 10:10 am : link
its unlikely. Not 100% positive but I believe that show a couple years ago "Finding Giants" had a wink wink nod nod agreement between the Giants and NFL Films to preclude them from being on Hard Knocks for a while. Basically they treat the fact the Giants did that show as if the team has been on Hard Knocks within the past 10 years.
They thrive on drama  
micky : 12/18/2018 10:10 am : link
Redskins and Raiders would fit most
Hope  
section125 : 12/18/2018 10:14 am : link
they pass on the Giants.
I'd actually enjoy watching it.  
Beezer : 12/18/2018 10:17 am : link

Not that I hope they're featured. But if it happens, all right.
RE: I think  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/18/2018 10:17 am : link
In comment 14224525 Steve in Greenwich said:
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its unlikely. Not 100% positive but I believe that show a couple years ago "Finding Giants" had a wink wink nod nod agreement between the Giants and NFL Films to preclude them from being on Hard Knocks for a while. Basically they treat the fact the Giants did that show as if the team has been on Hard Knocks within the past 10 years.


But will it make the NFL more money?

My magic 8 ball says yes.
I hope they pick the Giants  
PaulBlakeTSU : 12/18/2018 10:17 am : link
I want to get more behind-the-scenes access to the team I root for. I don't care that it is contrived or that it isn't as good as 24/7.
It's reality TV - which means, it's not actually reality  
jcn56 : 12/18/2018 10:19 am : link
News flash - when there are cameras rolling, people behave differently. Especially when the people rolling those cameras know they need to get some dramatic effect to get people to watch.
Pretty sure it will happen...  
Dan in the Springs : 12/18/2018 10:20 am : link
we qualify since we've not made the playoffs in the past two years and haven't been on the show in the previous 10, iirc.

I think the NFL would love to do a NYG Hard Knocks series, especially since they have two of the biggest stars in the game in Barkley and Beckham. Throw in the Eli Manning one-man QB controversy, a HC possibly on the hot seat, and let us not forget, perhaps most importantly, the NYC market.

I know the team may be opposed as well as many fans, but I can guarantee I'll be watching every episode if it happens.
I really hope it doesn’t happen  
UConn4523 : 12/18/2018 10:21 am : link
hard knocks sucks
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Steve in Greenwich : 12/18/2018 10:21 am : link
buddy of mine worked for NFL Films at the time Finding Giants was made, I think I remember him saying something of the effect that this would take them out of consideration for Hard Knocks but I'm not positive. Finding Giants was also a Steve Sabol pet project right before his passing, don't know if any formal agreement was actually made to keep them out of Hard Knocks (also an NFL Films production).
When do they  
ryanmkeane : 12/18/2018 10:27 am : link
typically announce it?
in training camp / preseason  
PaulBlakeTSU : 12/18/2018 10:30 am : link
fans are scrounging around for grainy twitter videos of plays in practice and reports from camp.

I would so much rather have a multi-week HBO series about the team. I love the Giants. I want to see as much of them as I can. I want to see better quality footage of some plays in practice and I want to see more of the personalities and profiles of some of our players, coaches, and front office.

I also don't buy that it has some material, provable effect on the team's performance that season. 6/13 Hard Knocks Teams improved their records, 5/13 had worse records, 2 stayed the same.

I had heard..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/18/2018 10:33 am : link
the same thing about "Finding Giants".

I'd also heard that was part of the reason the Giants did it - so they could be exempt from Hard Knocks
I could see Gruden and the Raiders  
Pete in MD : 12/18/2018 10:36 am : link
wanting to do it.
Sure  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/18/2018 10:55 am : link
Get a whiff of the inner workings and personnel of our dysfunctional org like Finding Giants, which itself was a preposterously hubristic clueless show about how good our scouting is ffs. Actually that's not even hubris, that's a clownish impudence.
Paul  
UConn4523 : 12/18/2018 10:55 am : link
the problem is social media keeps us ahead of hard knocks anyway, which is one of the reasons I don’t like the show. If you follow the beat reporters that you have the access already. HBOs dramatization of it isn’t needed for me.
RE: Paul  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/18/2018 10:59 am : link
In comment 14224622 UConn4523 said:
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the problem is social media keeps us ahead of hard knocks anyway, which is one of the reasons I don’t like the show. If you follow the beat reporters that you have the access already. HBOs dramatization of it isn’t needed for me.


It's one thing to read about the plays and practice. It's a completely different thing to see them actually practice on the field.

Also, the show humanizes the players, which you can't get through a beat report or tweet.
RE: Sure  
Stu11 : 12/18/2018 10:59 am : link
In comment 14224621 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Get a whiff of the inner workings and personnel of our dysfunctional org like Finding Giants, which itself was a preposterously hubristic clueless show about how good our scouting is ffs. Actually that's not even hubris, that's a clownish impudence.

Yep a show about the Giants scouting dept during that period belonged more on Comedy Central than the NFL network...
One positive..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/18/2018 11:02 am : link
that could come from being on "Hard Knocks" is that it could neuter Ranaan's hack pieces.

Unfortunately, I did just confirm with somebody that "Finding Giants" makes it so the team doesn't have to do "Hard Knocks".
"Finding Giants"  
Go Terps : 12/18/2018 11:03 am : link
Funny title...
That would be awesome.  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/18/2018 11:03 am : link
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group listed  
jestersdead : 12/18/2018 11:06 am : link
out of the group listed, the Giants have the most interesting story line. Beckham and Barkley with the possibility of a new QB for the first time since 2005 or its Eli's final season.

I would think HBO would hold off on the Raiders till their move to Vegas. 49ers have Garoppolo returning from ACL injury, Ravens have Lamar Jackson, which could interest ppl, Lions and Arizona are blandt
Maybe  
Carson53 : 12/18/2018 11:57 am : link
now that Coughlin is no longer around, it could happen.
I think TC would have had a conniption, if they did
Hard Knocks while he was still here, LOL.
Haven't we all had enough...  
M.S. : 12/18/2018 11:58 am : link

...Hard Knocks with this team?
Keep Dreaming  
Bruner4329 : 12/18/2018 11:59 am : link
Giants Organization wants nothing to do with Hard Knocks from the owners down.
RE: I could see Gruden and the Raiders  
spike : 12/18/2018 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14224590 Pete in MD said:
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wanting to do it.


He loves the camera
I never understood the seeming  
PaulBlakeTSU : 12/18/2018 12:02 pm : link
implication that the Giants are above Hard Knocks, or that the Giants are some sort of model franchise that does things the right way whereby nearly all other franchises don't.

RE: I never understood the seeming  
Go Terps : 12/18/2018 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14224755 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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implication that the Giants are above Hard Knocks, or that the Giants are some sort of model franchise that does things the right way whereby nearly all other franchises don't.


It's pretty apparent the Giants DON'T do things the right way.

I don't usually watch Hard Knocks, but if the Giants were on it I'd watch just to see the trainwreck.
RE: Keep Dreaming  
Dan in the Springs : 12/18/2018 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14224748 Bruner4329 said:
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Giants Organization wants nothing to do with Hard Knocks from the owners down.


Unfortunately they may not have a choice. There are rules in place that can force a franchise to be on the show. The only surefire way to avoid being on it is to make the playoffs every other year (at least).

The rumored agreement about Finding Giants may be an out for them - haven't heard anything official about that though. I know we've heard the Giants would rather not deal with having HBO around all camp and will try to avoid it if at all possible.
Put a camera in Jints Central...  
bw in dc : 12/18/2018 12:09 pm : link
and I'll watch every second. That's where the real action is.

Watching Gettleman trying to logon, flipping through his old fashioned rolodex, using a flip phone, using his bizarre slang, etc would be priceless.

RE: Put a camera in Jints Central...  
Giantology : 12/18/2018 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14224770 bw in dc said:
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and I'll watch every second. That's where the real action is.

Watching Gettleman trying to logon, flipping through his old fashioned rolodex, using a flip phone, using his bizarre slang, etc would be priceless.


The way you post some of this shit makes me think you might have a personality disorder of some type. You literally have no clue what you're talking about.
You're..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/18/2018 2:13 pm : link
talking to a guy who praised Daniel Snyder for going out and getting Spurrier while "Jints Central" sat in their Davenports and sipped scotch.....
Seems odd some fans would be opposed to getting an"inside look"  
Ceez2.0 : 12/18/2018 2:35 pm : link
at their team. To each their own I suppose, I would def watch.
RE: in training camp / preseason  
mitch300 : 12/18/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 14224574 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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fans are scrounging around for grainy twitter videos of plays in practice and reports from camp.

I would so much rather have a multi-week HBO series about the team. I love the Giants. I want to see as much of them as I can. I want to see better quality footage of some plays in practice and I want to see more of the personalities and profiles of some of our players, coaches, and front office.
I agree. I would love to see the inner workings of this organization.

I also don't buy that it has some material, provable effect on the team's performance that season. 6/13 Hard Knocks Teams improved their records, 5/13 had worse records, 2 stayed the same.
Glad I don't have HBO  
Ryan in Albany : 12/18/2018 2:38 pm : link
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RE: RE: Put a camera in Jints Central...  
bw in dc : 12/18/2018 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14224996 Giantology said:
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In comment 14224770 bw in dc said:


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and I'll watch every second. That's where the real action is.

Watching Gettleman trying to logon, flipping through his old fashioned rolodex, using a flip phone, using his bizarre slang, etc would be priceless.




The way you post some of this shit makes me think you might have a personality disorder of some type. You literally have no clue what you're talking about.


It's called levity.
RE: You're..  
bw in dc : 12/18/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14225001 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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talking to a guy who praised Daniel Snyder for going out and getting Spurrier while "Jints Central" sat in their Davenports and sipped scotch.....


I think that is twisting what I said. But I did laugh at the Davenports and sipping scotch line...
I think putting them on Hard Knocks would be great  
cosmicj : 12/18/2018 2:50 pm : link
Way more interesting than seeing them actually play football. Kind of like reading BBI in a season like this - way better than watching the games.

Anyone else turn off the game this Sunday in the 4th quarter to read BBI? I did. BBI was way more fun. I mean - WAY MORE.
It should never  
Sneakers O'toole : 12/18/2018 3:20 pm : link
be forced on any team.
Thanks..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/18/2018 3:48 pm : link
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I think that is twisting what I said. But I did laugh at the Davenports and sipping scotch line...


It is called levity:)
RE: RE: Put a camera in Jints Central...  
BillKo : 12/18/2018 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14224996 Giantology said:
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In comment 14224770 bw in dc said:


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and I'll watch every second. That's where the real action is.

Watching Gettleman trying to logon, flipping through his old fashioned rolodex, using a flip phone, using his bizarre slang, etc would be priceless.




The way you post some of this shit makes me think you might have a personality disorder of some type. You literally have no clue what you're talking about.


LOL..but it was kinda funny :)
RE: RE: I never understood the seeming  
BillKo : 12/18/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14224760 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14224755 PaulBlakeTSU said:


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implication that the Giants are above Hard Knocks, or that the Giants are some sort of model franchise that does things the right way whereby nearly all other franchises don't.




It's pretty apparent the Giants DON'T do things the right way.

I don't usually watch Hard Knocks, but if the Giants were on it I'd watch just to see the trainwreck.


LOL..trainwreck....ok.

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