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NGT: Is this the last ride for NE/Impact to the NFL

jc in c-ville : 12/18/2018 12:53 pm
I know they can be a SOB in the play-offs but I don't see them advancing to the SB this year.

They will win the AFC E ( of course) while finishing against Buffalo and the Jets. So, you have to pencil them in for 11-5.

Houston, currently at 10-4, plays @ Philly and will be hosting Jacksonville. Regardless of how Philly played on Sunday, The DL of Houston should be enough to rattle Foles and I don't see Jacksonville beating them with so much on the line. Thus, Houston finishes either the #1 or #2.

That would give NE three games they needed to win to advance.

Say they don't advance. Appears Gronk is going to hang them up ( smart thing) and that could be the wild-card to Brady saying enough is enough. If that happens, I see the whole thing blowing up and Bill deciding to quit as well.

An 18 year run with the future holding no QB, ? at HC, and no longer a popular destination for FA's to go to have a legitimate shot to win a SB.

And honestly, I hope the whole thing blows the F up.

While I'm not a fan of the commish, or pure parity which is his ultimate goal, NE has been really the only outlier when he took over. Pencil them in as AFC East champs every year along with hosting at least one div round playoff games. If it blows up, the East is wide open.

With the likes of Brady, Ben, Rivers, Brees, Eli gone ( sooner than later), the NFL doesn't have enough young, potential starts waiting to take over at QB. Mahomes- sure.

Wentz/Luck- Not sure about that. Last years drafted QB's? Mayfield has promise with Darnold/Rosen/Allen playing for traditional lousy organizations.

So, what the NFL will be left with is pure parity with very average QB's with a star or 2 playing in smaller markets ( see Mahomes/Mayfield).

Therefor, if changes aren't made swiftly ( eliminate Thur games, better officiating, main focus on American fans as opposed to London/Europe and Mexico), the stands you see on TV will rival what we all saw on Sunday in the second half- and the weather will have nothing to do with it.





I don't know  
Matt in SGS : 12/18/2018 1:04 pm : link
but I've long said that when it crashes and burns in New England, that fan base will go back to not giving 2 shits about them. I see Brady and Belichick walking out at the same time (not literally, but the same season). I was up at school at Boston College in 1992, before Parcells got there and the Pats never sold out, were never on TV when they were home. The Bruins had a bigger following. That place is always a Red Sox town first. And then the Celtics with the Bruins and Pats in the rear. The Patriots long run of success has brought out the front runners, and to be honest, a generation that knows only Brady and winning.

When Belichick and Brady do leave, I could see a Chicago Bulls once Jordan retired (the 2nd time). The 1997/1998 Bulls went 62-20 and won another championship. The next year, Jordan retired, Jackson bailed, the Bulls traded off all their assets and only the lockout kept them from being an all time door mat, as they finished 13-37.

The problem is the AFC is now wide open, so you'll have to kill the Pats to get them out. But what I see from them is they will get to the AFC Championship (again), but I could see them losing. Next year, I see Belichick and Brady back, they make the playoffs, but this time around they behind the Chiefs and Texans and they get bounced early. In 2020, both are gone and the Pats go 2-14. There won't be a slow decent. It will be some Hindenburg shit when that all comes crashing down.
One thing I’ve learned in 30+ years  
eli4life : 12/18/2018 1:09 pm : link
When one group of superstars are gone there is always another group to take their place. Sometimes they aren’t quite as good and sometimes they are better but there is always someone waiting in the wings
Brady has made a couple of really bad mistakes...  
BillKo : 12/18/2018 1:14 pm : link
...for the great QB he is.

In Miami, took a sack at the end of the half with no TO's costing them three points.

Last week...threw a horrible sideline throw that was picked while in FG range in the 4th quarter.

Cracks are showing  
Les in TO : 12/18/2018 1:15 pm : link
First 5 loss season since 2009. But they have a way of defying the doubters
Ask ANY NE fan  
I Love Clams Casino : 12/18/2018 1:15 pm : link
about Andre Tippet, and watch the light fade from their eyes....
Luck  
rocco8112 : 12/18/2018 1:20 pm : link
is the truth. May be the best in the NFL. Now that they protect him of course, who would have thought a QB needs protection?

Giants are about to find that out the hard way since this group could not get pressure on my pop Warner team from the early nineties. Luck is the man and barring injury will do great things. I expect them to hang forty on the Giants this week.

Wentz? Walking injury and may not be the best QB on his team. Foles goes on a run here they may cut Wentz.

As far as New England, I can't wait for it all to collapse. They have had an unreal run though.
RE: Brady has made a couple of really bad mistakes...  
rocco8112 : 12/18/2018 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14224895 BillKo said:
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...for the great QB he is.

In Miami, took a sack at the end of the half with no TO's costing them three points.

Last week...threw a horrible sideline throw that was picked while in FG range in the 4th quarter.


Pitt was getting heat on him, it really is not rocket science. How did Brees look when Dallas setup camp in their backfield?

Brady is unreal, but move the QB off his spot and hit him and play will decline. Ask Eli he will tell you.
RE: Luck  
giants#1 : 12/18/2018 1:28 pm : link
In comment 14224905 rocco8112 said:
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is the truth. May be the best in the NFL. Now that they protect him of course, who would have thought a QB needs protection?

Giants are about to find that out the hard way since this group could not get pressure on my pop Warner team from the early nineties. Luck is the man and barring injury will do great things. I expect them to hang forty on the Giants this week.

Wentz? Walking injury and may not be the best QB on his team. Foles goes on a run here they may cut Wentz.

As far as New England, I can't wait for it all to collapse. They have had an unreal run though.


Doubt Foles goes on another run, but even if he did, they aren't cutting Wentz. At a minimum they'd keep him as a backup QB, but he also has (significant) trade value.

who cares if Pats fans are all front runners?  
giants#1 : 12/18/2018 1:30 pm : link
And it's also possible that over this ~20 year period of success, they've built up some hard core fans, particularly among the younger generations who grew up watching them.

I know it's popular that BB and TB will ride off together, but BB seems like one of those guys that will coach until he physically can't.
During the 18 year run  
mrvax : 12/18/2018 1:34 pm : link
NE picked up a load of fans aged 10-30. I don't think they will all walk away from the Pats. Giant fans didn't all leave during long losing periods. Prior to 2001, the Pats never really had any long runs of success.
RE: who cares if Pats fans are all front runners?  
mrvax : 12/18/2018 1:36 pm : link
In comment 14224925 giants#1 said:
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And it's also possible that over this ~20 year period of success, they've built up some hard core fans, particularly among the younger generations who grew up watching them.


LOL. I didn't yet read your post when I posted.
I disagree with this post  
Rover : 12/18/2018 2:16 pm : link
1) NE is having an *off* year with 5 losses. Look at the other final four teams from last season. And repeat that exercises for the past several. They only seem to be slipping from a relative standpoint.

2) However, this unit is weaker than the 2016 Pats..but they still can make a run. They still can get the 2 seed and even if not, I'd like them at the 3 seed to win in Houston should they advance.
-Let's not forget, the Pats shouldn't have made the Super Bowl last season...Jacksonville had them beat and Pit had them beat in December. That d was bad.
-I chalk this up to a reloading season.

3) Disagree about the Pats fanbase. Pats had no legitimacy before Kraft came, as soon as he purchased the team Pats sold out every game and the base was there.
If we are going to hold them not selling out when they had no owner and played badly, then how about the Iggles who in the mid 80s just a few years after making the Super Bowl had blackouts?

Pats are a solid 1A in Boston, and I'd argue with the under 40, they are more popular.
It's been a strange year for them...  
bw in dc : 12/18/2018 2:21 pm : link
They started off slow and uneven and now they are finishing that way. That is something very uncharacteristic, and certainly a cause for concern.

Over the last decade, the offense has been the cornerstone of that team. And they could mask the many defensive deficiencies they've had. But this year the offense has sputtered more than expected and they've been able to protect this defense. A defense that is really light on talent. Certainly one of the poorer jobs Belichick has ever done assembling and coaching that side of the ball.

I read that their rush defense is Belichick's worst in 25 years.

The play in Miami was the very last play you'd ever expect to happen to New England. When you see things like that you can't help but wonder if their times has finally come...

Furthermore, they aren't going to have the luxury of playing in Foxboro throughout the playoffs this time, absent some crazy twists and turns. They have been ordinary on the road in the playoffs the last decade. And this year they have been poor on the road throughout the regular season. So you have to assume this is a strong year to play against them...
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/18/2018 2:23 pm : link
I have family from NE who were diehards long before Kraft & Parcells showed up & saved them. Obviously they have fair-weather fans, but what dynasty doesn't?

As for them this season, I don't see it with them. But I'll never count them out.
Can't  
mitch300 : 12/18/2018 2:27 pm : link
Take anything away from their success. However, the division they play it seems every year is very weak. Yes, the Jets had a good few years under Rex. Still, when you play your division opponents twice every year and your division is very weak it does make it a little easier.
They're a miracle play away from...  
Dan in the Springs : 12/18/2018 2:29 pm : link
a likely 12-4 season after starting 1-2. In other words, a miracle play is going to knock them back to a likely 10-3 finish in their final 13.

At this point, not sure why anyone would consider them anything but a very strong contender to be the AFC rep again in the SB.

Every fan base has bandwagon fans  
speedywheels : 12/18/2018 3:24 pm : link
Even the "front-runner" fans have been fans for 20 years now, most are not going to bail if they go 6-10 next year.
Gronk looks like toast  
gtt350 : 12/18/2018 5:43 pm : link
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Not too sure...  
trueblueinpw : 12/18/2018 7:05 pm : link
I think it’s a combination of Hoodie and Brady that’s built the Pats machine. But there are other QBs who come and go from the top of the NFL. But Belichick? That guy is a once in a lifetime coach. I think he can keep it going without Brady. And I’d like to watch him try.
Conversely, you do know that Belichick  
Really : 12/18/2018 7:12 pm : link
will cut bait a season too soon than a season too late. I could definitely see him leaving. Gronk is the biggest reason, imo. He was such a mismatch/advantage they no longer have and that dive is affecting Brady.

The run is definitely coming to a close sooner than later.
RE: Conversely, you do know that Belichick  
Rover : 12/18/2018 7:45 pm : link
In comment 14225364 Really said:
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will cut bait a season too soon than a season too late. I could definitely see him leaving. Gronk is the biggest reason, imo. He was such a mismatch/advantage they no longer have and that dive is affecting Brady.

The run is definitely coming to a close sooner than later.

Although the Pats did win in 2016 without Gronk.

I think this is just a light year for them talent wise, which should be expected. Again, look at the other final four teams from last season.
By the way...  
trueblueinpw : 12/18/2018 8:34 pm : link
Here’s a good opportunity for someone to dust off the ol’ AFC East is a tough division argument. Yup, another tough season of making sausage in the meat grinder AFC East for Hoodie and his Pats.
RE: who cares if Pats fans are all front runners?  
Hammer : 12/18/2018 9:46 pm : link
In comment 14224925 giants#1 said:
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And it's also possible that over this ~20 year period of success, they've built up some hard core fans, particularly among the younger generations who grew up watching them.

I know it's popular that BB and TB will ride off together, but BB seems like one of those guys that will coach until he physically can't.


I like to think that the Giant fans that stuck with the team during the really long lean years did so because of family tradition.

Dads rooted for the Giants along with uncles and cousins. The kids then kept it up because that was what they grew up with.That, and the fact that they longed for those familial relationships.

How that plays out in New England? I don't know. I can, however, make an educated guess that the Patriot's fans do not have the same family history that the Giants fans did/do.
Gronk is not Gronk.....  
Doomster : 12/18/2018 10:35 pm : link
For three quarters, they hardly went to him.....then in desperation, they went to him in the fourth quarter.....in fact, Brady forced too many throws in his direction....but like I said, Gronk is not Gronk anymore....

There is a lot of talk in the Boston media, which you can take with a grain of salt...BB is upset with how Kraft has hand cuffed his decisions, while siding with Brady.....BB wanted to trade Gronk to Detroit, and it was vetoed.....so supposedly, he is letting Brady/McDaniels run the show on offense, letting them sink or swim with their decisions...
RE: Gronk is not Gronk.....  
bw in dc : 12/18/2018 10:48 pm : link
In comment 14225554 Doomster said:
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There is a lot of talk in the Boston media, which you can take with a grain of salt...BB is upset with how Kraft has hand cuffed his decisions, while siding with Brady.....BB wanted to trade Gronk to Detroit, and it was vetoed.....so supposedly, he is letting Brady/McDaniels run the show on offense, letting them sink or swim with their decisions...


I really can’t see Belichick going the martyr route.

Now, to keep JM from taking the Colts job, he could have extended him more authority. That makes more sense to me. But not a willingness to put personal dispute with Kraft ahead of team goals.
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