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NFT: Buffalo - Syracuse hoops

Del Shofner : 12/18/2018 8:53 pm
An upstate darby. Good game so far. Buffalo is ranked #14 so the Orange have their work cut out for them.
Good to see..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/18/2018 9:22 pm : link
how important a senior-heavy squad can be for mid-majors.

Good game so far, but Syracuse is going to have to stay strong on the boards to win this.
it's on ESPN2 btw  
Del Shofner : 12/18/2018 9:47 pm : link
for anyone interested.
SU needs to start making their free throws.  
BlackLight : 12/18/2018 9:52 pm : link
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RE: SU needs to start making their free throws.  
montanagiant : 12/18/2018 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14225509 BlackLight said:
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Been a Cuse issue for decades
What an unbelievably bad job  
B in ALB : 12/18/2018 10:04 pm : link
By JB coaching perhaps his most talented team in years.

This offense and their rebounding is utter shit.

It might be time to move on.

You can't play like this with Battle, Brisette, and Howard. Plus Carey and Hughes. And two big men in the middle.

He's gotta go. The game has passed him by. It's time to go.
B  
bigblue5611_2 : 12/18/2018 10:07 pm : link
He can't make the shots go down for them, though. Granted I have only been able to watch a few minutes of this game, but as talented as they are, I feel they disappear way too often and miss way too many shots. Coaching is one thing, but the inability to put shots in at this point is ridiculous.
Team has no heart and no balls  
B in ALB : 12/18/2018 10:08 pm : link
And no identity.

At least we didn't have to see Buddy smash his three balls off the backboard all night.

Garbage squad.

Congrats to Buffalo.
Yeah, unlike in the past  
BlackLight : 12/18/2018 10:12 pm : link
to win in college basketball in 2018 you need to make shots and rebound.

Syracuse needs a younger coach who's hip to these realities. Not Jim 'Coached His Team To The Sweet 16 Nine Months Ago' Boeheim.
RE: B  
B in ALB : 12/18/2018 10:12 pm : link
In comment 14225526 bigblue5611_2 said:
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He can't make the shots go down for them, though. Granted I have only been able to watch a few minutes of this game, but as talented as they are, I feel they disappear way too often and miss way too many shots. Coaching is one thing, but the inability to put shots in at this point is ridiculous.


The offensive strategy has been lacking for years.

And the defense only shows up during the tournament.

This team is immensely talented, yet they suck ass as a unit.

That's on the coaches. JB, Mac, Autry, all of them. Terrible. Absolutely terrible. I'm embarrassed.

But it's a football school now. And that's awesome.
I can see  
bigblue5611_2 : 12/18/2018 10:15 pm : link
your point on the offensive philosophy. What I can't get is, why are they throwing up 3's when they're only down 2 scores with over 2 minutes left. Just drive and get the points, especially with Battle.

Can't wait for the Bowl Game, I had to give my cousin a hard time because of course his wedding happens to be the same day with the reception starting at 5. Will just need to make sure my phone is charged and ready to set up at the table.
RE: I can see  
B in ALB : 12/18/2018 10:23 pm : link
In comment 14225540 bigblue5611_2 said:
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your point on the offensive philosophy. What I can't get is, why are they throwing up 3's when they're only down 2 scores with over 2 minutes left. Just drive and get the points, especially with Battle.

Can't wait for the Bowl Game, I had to give my cousin a hard time because of course his wedding happens to be the same day with the reception starting at 5. Will just need to make sure my phone is charged and ready to set up at the table.


Because they're idiots.

We can only hope they somehow develop like the 2016 team. Because if they do, they can win the whole Fucking thing. I believe in the talent that much.
I watch the game: Buffalo was the better team  
Rick in Dallas : 12/18/2018 10:33 pm : link
They may not have more talented players than Cuse but played a terrific second half.
don't know the details as well as you, B, but  
Del Shofner : 12/18/2018 10:33 pm : link
would love to see both 'Cuse and Buffalo have long runs in the Dance. Would be cool to see upstate NY taking it to the traditional powers that be.
Totally agree B....  
damdevs : 12/18/2018 10:34 pm : link
just texted a few SU friends the same thing. Just emabarassing, not that we lost to a good Buffalo team, but watch them play like this is awful.

There’s no movement, no flow just standing around on the offensive end and jack up a 3. They’re trying to play an NBA game without the spacing or moving the damn ball. With all of that talent they need to play uptempo and get after it just like we did in the 80’s and 90’s. Where’s the damn fast breaks at? This team get no easy baskets....run the F’n floor JB, you’ve got the damn talent and bench to do it.

I hate saying this, but unless Boeheim switches shit up its time to go. Team is way too talented, to play like this.
Buffalo has five returning starters  
B in ALB : 12/18/2018 10:38 pm : link
And they can play. At no point were they on the ropes despite being down by seven. They played their game and overwhelmed Syracuse on the offensive glass.

For such a tall team, Syracuse is horrific at rebounding the ball. It's been a plague for decades.

I've had enough of Boeheim. It's been a fantastic run. But this program needs an enema.
UB!!!  
RodneyHamp : 12/18/2018 10:45 pm : link
If only they were this good when I was there in the early 2000s
Indeed  
B in ALB : 12/18/2018 10:47 pm : link
Congrats to Buffalo. Well played and coached game. Definitely deserved. Enjoy the win UB fans!
RE: Totally agree B....  
BlackLight : 12/18/2018 11:46 pm : link
In comment 14225553 damdevs said:
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There’s no movement, no flow just standing around on the offensive end and jack up a 3. They’re trying to play an NBA game without the spacing or moving the damn ball. With all of that talent they need to play uptempo and get after it just like we did in the 80’s and 90’s. Where’s the damn fast breaks at? This team get no easy baskets....run the F’n floor JB, you’ve got the damn talent and bench to do it.


No, he doesn't. He's admitted as much. It's not even a criticism as much as brute fact. SU wins (when they win) by slowing the game down, not speeding it up. And even if they were a running team, if you can't rebound, then you might as well not be.
RE: RE: Totally agree B....  
damdevs : 12/19/2018 7:46 am : link
In comment 14225594 BlackLight said:
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There’s no movement, no flow just standing around on the offensive end and jack up a 3. They’re trying to play an NBA game without the spacing or moving the damn ball. With all of that talent they need to play uptempo and get after it just like we did in the 80’s and 90’s. Where’s the damn fast breaks at? This team get no easy baskets....run the F’n floor JB, you’ve got the damn talent and bench to do it.




No, he doesn't. He's admitted as much. It's not even a criticism as much as brute fact. SU wins (when they win) by slowing the game down, not speeding it up. And even if they were a running team, if you can't rebound, then you might as well not be.


Disagree for several reasons. This team struggles in the half court set and has the last 5 years. Getting out and running the floor and putting pressure on the other team will help get you easy baskets and get your team into a flow of the game.

It will also help with rebounding on the D end. Shit almost half of Buffalo’s O rebounds came from their guards. Why? Part of the reason is they doesn’t expect us to get out and run the floor so they don’t have to worry about getting back on D as much and the other is just plain old desire and hustle which this team lacks right now.

You have to put pressure on the defense early and make multiple defenders react to our ball handler heading the other way instead of trying to crash the boards all the time. Look you’ve got 2 good PG along with Battle can all handle the ball. Hughes, Brissett and Dolezaj can also run the floor and help you get some easy baskets which this O despritely needs. But the reality is that it takes developing a bench and playing more than 6 guys.....that is why you see SU playing at a slower pace and they have been for years.

SU is so boring  
WideRight : 12/19/2018 8:22 am : link
Same thing every year. Beat up on small teams before league play, get over-ranked. Play a disciplined annoying zone that keeps them in games, and sometimes get lucky. But come crunch time, they come up with nothing, save Carmello or a couple one-off performances. Boeheim does maximize his talents so he deservs alot of credit, but its just boring because you know whats going to happen every year.

Love cinderellas like UB who play real basketball and win
Agree with B here.  
Crispino : 12/19/2018 8:28 am : link
Is there an offensive philosophy at ‘Cuse? Because I didn’t see one. One or two players touch the ball on each possession, followed by a wild drive or jacking up an ill advised 3. And Boeheim watches. I think 90% of the shots they took in the second half were poor shots. And the free throws...good God. Maybe JB is just mailing it in at this point, because I didn’t see any evidence of his being unhappy with the “offense” he was watching.
Jesus..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/19/2018 8:34 am : link
a loss to Buffalo and the trolls really appear:

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But come crunch time, they come up with nothing, save Carmello or a couple one-off performances


They routinely make the Sweet 16. Are you being purposely ignorant?
Fats, I’m not trolling at all. I root for old school Big East.  
Crispino : 12/19/2018 8:55 am : link
But the second half was an abomination. And that’s taking nothing away from Buffalo, which is a nice team. But JB sitting still while everyone on the court was jacking up ridiculously bad shots in the second half was pretty damning. What was the game plan? I didn’t see any. One on one hero ball by everyone on the court. ‘Cuse much more talented and far less disciplined.
Crispino..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/19/2018 9:01 am : link
I'm not talking about you and B. I'm talking about the schmuck who acts as if Cuse routinely fails.

They have made a number of deep runs in the tourney.

I share the concerns about this team - I also know they have the talent to turn things around and if there's one thing I've learned watching Cuse is that just when you think they are dead, they find away with that zone to get a few big wins.
No doubt that they’re capable.  
Crispino : 12/19/2018 9:08 am : link
There is talent, and that’s their history. I was just kind of shocked to watch them look like they were rudderless in the second half.
RE: Jesus..  
WideRight : 12/19/2018 10:05 am : link
In comment 14225692 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a loss to Buffalo and the trolls really appear:



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But come crunch time, they come up with nothing, save Carmello or a couple one-off performances



They routinely make the Sweet 16. Are you being purposely ignorant?



The sweet 16 is crunch time and that's where 'Cuse gets rountinely exposed. That's the point. Boeheim coaches guys up to play an awesome zone, but they rarely have anything else to get past that.

Its boring basketball. I love college ball. 'Cuse is to college b-ball as the shift is to baseball in the MLB.
The..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/19/2018 10:10 am : link
Sweet 16 is crunch time?? Sweet Jesus.

Under Boeheim, they've lost in the Sweet 16 twelve times. They've lost in the Elite 8 three times. Lost the Final 4 twice. Won the Championship once and was runner-up twice.

Can't win in crunch time is a fucking farce.

Tell Duke about crunch time when they face Mercer if we're going down that road.
Syracuse..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/19/2018 10:11 am : link
has gotten to the Sweet Sixteen over 40% of the years Boeheim has been coaching.
Thats great  
WideRight : 12/19/2018 11:40 am : link
THe Bills made it to the Superbowl four years in a row.

Celebrate that all you want. As stated, I find them to be the most boring team in college hoops. Not because they aren't good, but their brand, the 2-3 zone, has a ceiling. If it was a true championship formula more teams would play it. But the best ones generally do not.

Boheim stays with this for 40+ years knowing that the most successful teams don't rely on the 2-3 as much, and also knowing that he won't win the big one unless he has a generational talent like Melo.

College hoops is great for the diversity of teams and talent. 'Cuse doesn't change.

I thought Syraucse was going to be  
PaulBlakeTSU : 12/19/2018 11:42 am : link
very tough this year. From what I saw in the ACC, they had a really good starting squad last year, but just lacked depth and so Battle/Howard/Brishett played insane minutes and they wore down in games from my view.

I haven't watched them this year and have only seen results (none of the losses are bad losses per KenPom ratings).

I assumed that adding some more quality bodies this year would give those three a spell and keep them fresher. It's still very early in the season.

I still think that by February and March, as the new guys get experience playing the zone, that they will be a much better team and as always, will be dangerous in the tournament.

Holy..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/19/2018 11:44 am : link
shit are you dense:

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Boheim stays with this for 40+ years knowing that the most successful teams don't rely on the 2-3 as much, and also knowing that he won't win the big one unless he has a generational talent like Melo.


That's basically the calling card for every NCAA champion. Who is the last champion to have a team of nobody's?

You a fucking dismissing the fact they won a championship. I really don't understand what I'm reading here oftentimes anymore.
Thats true  
WideRight : 12/19/2018 11:58 am : link
I remember 'Cuse championship like it was yesterday.

Melo won it. There was no stopping him. He was the difference maker. He gave them instant offense to go with their zone. That was the difference between that team and all the other Oranges.

I'm dismissing the 2-3 as a championship formula. And Boeheim a little bit for not being more creative. He's a HOF coach, don't go nuts. It just makes a great game boring. Nothing I said is too hard to understand.

There's a lot..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/19/2018 12:03 pm : link
that doesn't make sense, including it being a negative that the Bills made it to the Super Bowl several times.

Basically nothing you've said is easily understandable.
RE: Agree with B here.  
BlackLight : 12/19/2018 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14225684 Crispino said:
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Maybe JB is just mailing it in at this point, because I didn’t see any evidence of his being unhappy with the “offense” he was watching.


Check out his post-game press conferences. When they lose, he can't dump on his team hard enough. Even when they win, he's not particularly happy.
Here's a bit of a press conference from a couple years ago  
BlackLight : 12/19/2018 1:57 pm : link
This happened in the season following when they beat Virginia and went to the Final Four. They were having what turned out to be a bad season, and Bud Poliquin wrote an article that essentially said SU hadn't had a good season in three years.

Boeheim kinda went off on him, and rightfully so. Writing off a Final Four appearance because it happened in the midst of a mediocre regular season is absurd. They lost 14 games last season, and AT MOST, there are only 15 teams in Division 1 who wouldn't trade the season they had for SU accomplished.
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Buffalo hit their shots, Syracuse didn't.  
Phil in Joisey : 12/19/2018 2:32 pm : link
That's the entire story of the final ten minutes when
Buffalo won the game and Syracuse faded away.
Coach Boeheim needs to learn a new word.....Nepotism.
The best 3-point-shooter on his squad is his son, but
Dad is bending over backwards not to show favoritism.
Give the kid some minutes, let him gain some confidence,
set some screens for him. The kid is a shot-maker. He needs to be on the court!
Nepotism is not slways a bad word.
Sorry but I disagree  
B in ALB : 12/19/2018 3:23 pm : link
Buddy Boeheim is not the answer. Not even close. He's hitting 20% on threes and has made only 6 all season. The kid is simply not ready.
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