Eli Apple

He was not performing here. Sometimes a change of scenery helps. Not sure what the true chemistry of the defense was prior to the trades as well.

but I still wouldn't want him here.

He's a bad fit here.

In comment 14226272 djstat said:

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He was not performing here. Sometimes a change of scenery helps. Not sure what the true chemistry of the defense was prior to the trades as well.

He wasn�t performing but only 2 seasons of work to go on for a guy we picked in the top 10

People would be praising Apple. Has anyone really not seen him since he got there? He is routinely beat and out of position against opposing #2/3 receivers.

I watched him play for New Orleans in other games and he got toasted a lot.

for NO as well. My friend asked me did he get penalized as much as he did with the Giants. I said sometimes, when he wasnt getting beat.

we are as good if not better without him in the secondary.

currently is the lowest CB in terms of QBR against and has committed the most penalties.

But he played well in one Primetime game. There's football each week, Fella.

In comment 14226298 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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currently is the lowest CB in terms of QBR against and has committed the most penalties. But he played well in one Primetime game. There's football each week, Fella.

Against a QB who historically has been one of the least accurate of his era.

...I guess there was no real market for him. I'm glad he's gone. Addition by subtraction and the draft pick is just gravy.

was a good trade for the Giants.

When you trade top 10 picks 2 seasons into there tenure and you get back a 4th from a playoff team it�s not hard to see why you only win 5 games

What kind of fucked up reasoning is that?

Would we have won more than 5 games keeping Apple and Snacks?

Basically the new regime is weeding out the shitty decisions from the previous one.

Does this really need to be spelled out for you, because I have an uneasy feeling that it really does.

actually taught him to turn around and look for the ball!

He's committing a holding or pass interference penalty. He's exactly who he was here, a guy that will occasionally flash who is more often making a critical error. Also, our secondary play has improved since the trade - Webb/Haley > Apple/Webb. Even if we didn't receive any compensation, dealing him has opened to the door for another young player. Slot corner is one less thing this team will have to worry about next year.

He wasn't, and his attitude, personality, and performance all got him traded for pennies on the dollar.

That's on Apple.

deserves a medal for getting anything for Apple. He was quickly going to go the way of Flowers. Apple was able to re-establish enough trade value to get him out before is inevitable injury or locker room flare up.

We've mentioned it before, but when we laughed at the scout's take that "he can't cook for himself" and we joked he can afford a chef, the real story was he was immature. That his mother decided she wanted to be a celebrity also didn't help. He had tons of family issues last year, between a public divorce with his mother and her health, but the reality is that he isn't showing any signs of growing up soon. New Orleans was the perfect spot for him because that offense will bail out the bad defense more often than not, and he's playing with a bunch of his old Ohio State teammates, which seems to be where he wants to be as he still acts like a college kid.

Apple was not going to work out in NY, he had to go, and at least Gettleman was able to get picks to help in this rebuild.

...season-to-date according to one Sirius NFL host. I don't think that's a random outcome.

In comment 14226353 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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What kind of fucked up reasoning is that? Would we have won more than 5 games keeping Apple and Snacks? Basically the new regime is weeding out the shitty decisions from the previous one. Does this really need to be spelled out for you, because I have an uneasy feeling that it really does.

You�re going by the assumption the Giants are making the right choices in this matter .. I just stated the facts we traded a guy who 2 seasons prior we picked in the top 10
I never once said the Giants would�ve won more games with Snacks and Apple so I don�t where you�re coming from with that
Also your tough guy I�m smarter than you act is laughable

In comment 14226353 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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What kind of fucked up reasoning is that? Would we have won more than 5 games keeping Apple and Snacks? Basically the new regime is weeding out the shitty decisions from the previous one. Does this really need to be spelled out for you, because I have an uneasy feeling that it really does.

I think what he means is, whiffing on high first rounders is a good indicator of a bad team. Not because we got rid of the great Eli fucking Apple for a mid round pick. Because under JR we drafted poorly for years.

different regime traded those guys.

Apple in particular was almost let go the year before mid-season!

I'm sorry that there's a "tough-guy I'm smarter than you act here". Just seems a lot better than a "I have fucking shit for brains" act

In comment 14226396 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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different regime traded those guys. Apple in particular was almost let go the year before mid-season! I'm sorry that there's a "tough-guy I'm smarter than you act here". Just seems a lot better than a "I have fucking shit for brains" act

I think you extrapolated something from his post that he didn't say or even imply. The point of his post was that a team drafting players in the top ten that get traded for pennies on the dollar 2 years later is at least partially to blame for where the Giants are at right now. It's a fair comment. He's not saying the trades weren't justified, and he's not saying the Giants would be better off if the trades didn't happen. Maybe grab a cup of coffee and lay off the guy.

as is the perspective that there's been a regime change, and the new leadership is cutting its losses.

It's unfortunate the prior regime wasted a pair of top 10 picks, but blame and the bottom line belong to the players who failed to deliver.

In comment 14226396 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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different regime traded those guys. Apple in particular was almost let go the year before mid-season! I'm sorry that there's a "tough-guy I'm smarter than you act here". Just seems a lot better than a "I have fucking shit for brains" act

Ok have the last laugh. I�m not here to go back and forth with you or trade insults I just want to talk Giants football ✌🏼✌🏼🍻

before selecting a high pick would do a good job vetting these guys for personality as well as skill. Really a damn shame. 2 worthless top 10 picks.

In comment 14226467 mrvax said:

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before selecting a high pick would do a good job vetting these guys for personality as well as skill. Really a damn shame. 2 worthless top 10 picks.

Yeah that hurts 2 players picked top 10 and nothing to show for it

Glad he's off the team. BW Webb is better and he's just ok.

In his first game with NO. I wish Eli the best. I hope he has lots of success. But I give DG credit for shutting down the experiment and getting a pick back.

To be fair, this year Apple has half as many penalties as the league leaders. And for only 36 yards. http://www.nflpenalties.com/position/defensive-back/cornerback?year=2018

"Per snap-by-snap charting from Pro Football Focus, Apple played his best football for New Orleans. Apple dropped into coverage 46 times, drawing nine targets � but allowing just one catch, for 21 yards. He broke up two of the passes and the rest fell incomplete thanks to his tight coverage, though he was penalized once early in the first quarter for defensive pass interference. Apple also logged two solo tackles and an assist."

Payton obviously seems something he likes otherwise he would not be starting him.

Just too much went on off the field and that, I believe, impacted his play on it.

So it was good for both parties that he left. I hope he does well in NO and redeems himself. He's around a lot of Buckeyes which may help ground him more...

I've seen him a few times and it's been more of the same - some very good, some very poor...