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NGT - Cam Newton being shutdown for the year

dep026 : 12/19/2018 2:06 pm
It was pretty clear his shoulder wasnt responding to treatment.
Oh no...  
figgy2989 : 12/19/2018 2:10 pm : link
I was looking so forward to what clown costume he was going to show up in this week.

Someone needs to post the Cam gif from the Super Bowl
Starting QBs who lost time to injuries this year  
dep026 : 12/19/2018 2:11 pm : link
Miami - Tannehill
Bills - Allen
Jets - Darnold
Bengals - Dalton
Ravens - Flacco
Browns - Taylor
Titans - Mariota
Jacksonville - Bortles
Eagles - Wentz
Redskins - Smith
Bears - Trubinsky
Bucs - Winston (Suspension and poor play)
Panthers - Newton
49ers - Jimmy G.
Cardinals - Bradford, I guess. Rosen hurt too.

17 of the 32 teams made it the whole year so far with their starting QB. Seems like this grows by the year. Plus, Stafford and Rodgers played through so pretty big injuries too.
I'm..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/19/2018 2:12 pm : link
partial to the Fez:

His throwing motion  
JonC : 12/19/2018 2:13 pm : link
looks painful.
RE: His throwing motion  
dep026 : 12/19/2018 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14226623 JonC said:
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looks painful.


Upper-body thrower



- Booger McFarland
RE: I'm..  
figgy2989 : 12/19/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14226618 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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partial to the Fez:



Or did he just finish watching The Golden Child
A member.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/19/2018 2:16 pm : link
of the Pink Hat Club!

I'll never understand the INTENSE hatred  
Gmen88 : 12/19/2018 2:17 pm : link
for Cam here. It's one thing to not like a guy/player whatever, but it's almost at another level with Cam.
The Francesa Curse.  
bceagle05 : 12/19/2018 2:18 pm : link
They're winless since Mike declared them a "dangerous team."
RE: I'll never understand the INTENSE hatred  
figgy2989 : 12/19/2018 2:19 pm : link
In comment 14226636 Gmen88 said:
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for Cam here. It's one thing to not like a guy/player whatever, but it's almost at another level with Cam.


Hi Joe!

All he had to do was show the slightest bit of humility at any point in his career and people would view him differently.
RE: I'll never understand the INTENSE hatred  
dep026 : 12/19/2018 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14226636 Gmen88 said:
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for Cam here. It's one thing to not like a guy/player whatever, but it's almost at another level with Cam.


Ill sum up Cam Newton from the last game alone.

1. He makes a great run for a first down at the end of the 1st half. He gets up, celebrates, dances, and makes the world known he got the first down..... meanwhile the rest of the team is hurrying back to the LOS as time is winding down. After taking too long, Carolina is forced to take a timeout. Next play, he has to force it in the end zone and throws an INT.

Cam Newton.

Shall we go over the SB display, again?
RE: I'll never understand the INTENSE hatred  
NoPeanutz : 12/19/2018 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14226636 Gmen88 said:
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for Cam here. It's one thing to not like a guy/player whatever, but it's almost at another level with Cam.

He's a player who celebrates his own touchdown when his team is down by 30 points.
A player who whines and pouts to the refs and media and crowd when he doesn't get calls.
A player who while in college steals from other students and writes his own name on their stuff in order to cover up the theft.
He happens to come off as a next level jerk. Hence, the next level hate.
RE: I'll never understand the INTENSE hatred  
SimpleMan : 12/19/2018 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14226636 Gmen88 said:
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for Cam here. It's one thing to not like a guy/player whatever, but it's almost at another level with Cam.


How is it hard to understand? He showboats and hams it up when he is winning or doing well....and acts like a pouting child who had his ice cream taken away when he loses. He has the body language of an upset 6 year old at press conferences after a loss. He wears ridiculous outfits that look like the guys in Dumb and Dumber.

And on the field he does shit like this:


RE: I'm..  
Greg from LI : 12/19/2018 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14226618 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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partial to the Fez:



He had a Shriner parade to go to after the game, that's all
They might need a new QB  
spike : 12/19/2018 2:43 pm : link
Next year
Someone get the gif  
spike : 12/19/2018 2:44 pm : link
Of him shrinking away from a fumble recovery
Ok way too many responses to quote just one lol  
Gmen88 : 12/19/2018 2:45 pm : link
-Super Bowl play was one of the weakest moves of all-time.
-Play Monday was definitely bad- He should've been more aware and
Rivera definitely should've called timeout when he wasn't
-Idk who Joe is

Overall some fair criticism- just seems like he is hated more than others and wanted to understand why. I personally don't mind the showboating but I can see it being annoying to others.
IMO there was something wrong with him all season  
PatersonPlank : 12/19/2018 2:48 pm : link
He just looked bad. If he's having shoulder issues that could explain a lot.
Joe was a prolific poster here  
Greg from LI : 12/19/2018 2:50 pm : link
At his best he was interesting and thought provoking. At his worst, he was an annoying, arrogant jackass who would fling nasty personal attacks at anyone who disagreed with him. One of Joe's great passions was cheerleading for Cam Newton, who he claimed "was doing unheard of things that no other quarterback had ever done!" If you scoffed at that characterization, Joe would call you a racist.
Time for a  
MattyKid : 12/19/2018 2:52 pm : link
Heinicke!
All of you that want running Abs  
Sy'56 : 12/19/2018 2:58 pm : link
Careful what you wish for.
Joe would root against  
dep026 : 12/19/2018 3:00 pm : link
His favorite teams before rooting against Cam or Lebron.
If running abs are anythign like a 6-pack  
Keith : 12/19/2018 3:00 pm : link
I'll take it!
RE: Time for a  
bw in dc : 12/19/2018 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14226712 MattyKid said:
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Heinicke!


Saw him play quite a bit at ODU. He did some dazzling stuff. I thought he might have a chance to be a pro. I'm glad he found work.
RE: Joe was a prolific poster here  
Gmen88 : 12/19/2018 3:08 pm : link
In comment 14226706 Greg from LI said:
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At his best he was interesting and thought provoking. At his worst, he was an annoying, arrogant jackass who would fling nasty personal attacks at anyone who disagreed with him. One of Joe's great passions was cheerleading for Cam Newton, who he claimed "was doing unheard of things that no other quarterback had ever done!" If you scoffed at that characterization, Joe would call you a racist.


Sounds like a real winner. In any event, I personally think Cam is a hell of a competitor and a good QB (sans this year but I think the shoulder has had a lot to do with that). But like I said, can understand the hatred and I'm sure a lot of it is intensified by how annoying that person was, as is the case with anything else.

Clarification was helpful gents!
Xsposed by Eli Apple  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/19/2018 3:08 pm : link
Who I believe must have had his neck bones fused since he is incapable of turning his head.
RE: Someone get the gif  
jnoble : 12/19/2018 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14226698 spike said:
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Of him shrinking away from a fumble recovery


Cam is a pouty baby but I don't want to hold that play against him because first, it happened in real time and not slow motion so he had only a split second to react and second I think he either was expecting the ball to bounce another way or he was afraid of that guy diving right into his knees or lower leg. So yeah I've got issues with the guy but I don't think he should get grief from that one
Yeah but he does things  
B in ALB : 12/19/2018 3:16 pm : link
that NO OTHER QB in the league can do or has ever done!
RE: All of you that want running Abs  
WillVAB : 12/19/2018 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14226721 Sy'56 said:
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Careful what you wish for.


Yep, and there’s no competitive advantage to having one when everyone else does too.
Cam is not a bad dude. Far from it. He's  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/19/2018 3:44 pm : link
very involved in the community here & deserves credit for that.

That Super Bowl play is obviously indefensible.
RE: RE: Someone get the gif  
rocco8112 : 12/19/2018 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14226740 jnoble said:
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Of him shrinking away from a fumble recovery



Cam is a pouty baby but I don't want to hold that play against him because first, it happened in real time and not slow motion so he had only a split second to react and second I think he either was expecting the ball to bounce another way or he was afraid of that guy diving right into his knees or lower leg. So yeah I've got issues with the guy but I don't think he should get grief from that one


If i recall correctly, he basically admitted the next day he was afraid of injury and hos future. One of the worst plays in NFL. history to me and an indictment of him as a football player and a man.

How he even faced his teammates amazes me.
RE: RE: Time for a  
26.2 : 12/19/2018 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14226730 bw in dc said:
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Heinicke!



Saw him play quite a bit at ODU. He did some dazzling stuff. I thought he might have a chance to be a pro. I'm glad he found work.


Man I can't wait. We didn't even have have a football team 11 years ago and now we have one of our alum starting in an NFL game. I saw him play every game when he was at ODU. Kid can play. Great pocket presence, can run, very accurate. He's just short. Not really a cannon either, but he can make just about every throw.
RE: All of you that want running Abs  
Go Terps : 12/19/2018 5:17 pm : link
In comment 14226721 Sy'56 said:
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Careful what you wish for.


I don't want 1 running QB. I want 3. And then I want to run the offense that Baltimore is running right now, where their opponents are averaging 24 minutes TOP and 55 offensive plays per game since Jackson took over and they committed to running the ball 40/50 times a game.

Baltimore is basically turning every game into what the Giants did in Super Bowl XXV.
RE: RE: His throwing motion  
djm : 12/19/2018 5:17 pm : link
In comment 14226624 dep026 said:
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looks painful.



Upper-body thrower



- Booger McFarland


Yup yet another gem from the snot who talks a lot.
RE: RE: All of you that want running Abs  
WillVAB : 12/19/2018 7:30 pm : link
In comment 14226879 Go Terps said:
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Careful what you wish for.



I don't want 1 running QB. I want 3. And then I want to run the offense that Baltimore is running right now, where their opponents are averaging 24 minutes TOP and 55 offensive plays per game since Jackson took over and they committed to running the ball 40/50 times a game.

Baltimore is basically turning every game into what the Giants did in Super Bowl XXV.


Then I hope you have a plan to turn the Giants defense into the best unit in the league as well.

Maybe we’ll get lucky and scrape a WC berth like Balt.
RE: RE: Someone get the gif  
Eman11 : 12/19/2018 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14226740 jnoble said:
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Of him shrinking away from a fumble recovery



Cam is a pouty baby but I don't want to hold that play against him because first, it happened in real time and not slow motion so he had only a split second to react and second I think he either was expecting the ball to bounce another way or he was afraid of that guy diving right into his knees or lower leg. So yeah I've got issues with the guy but I don't think he should get grief from that one


Oh please. It was the friggin Super Bowl. The fact his first instinct in that split second wasn't to go all out for the ball is all anyone needs to know about him. No guts,instincts or win at all costs mentality, and not qualities I want missing in my QB.
Terps  
Walt in MD : 12/19/2018 7:54 pm : link
Jackson is a terrible passer. Not much h smarter than a fence post. I understand you like his form on the pitch but there is no way that he ever wi s a super bowl.
RE: RE: Someone get the gif  
speedywheels : 12/19/2018 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14226740 jnoble said:
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Cam is a pouty baby but I don't want to hold that play against him because first, it happened in real time and not slow motion so he had only a split second to react and second I think he either was expecting the ball to bounce another way or he was afraid of that guy diving right into his knees or lower leg. So yeah I've got issues with the guy but I don't think he should get grief from that one


Wow. SOmeone is actually defending this. I think I've officially seen it all on BBI!
WillVAB  
Go Terps : 12/19/2018 8:00 pm : link
Lamar Jackson is the #1 reason the Ravens have one of the best defenses in the league. It's easy to play defense when your defense is only on the field 24 minutes a game and the opponent is only getting 55 offensive plays. That's the impact of what the Ravens are doing on offense with Jackson.

Remember Super Bowl XXV with Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas standing on the sidelines? That's what the Ravens are trying to do every week, and it's taking them to the playoffs.
RE: WillVAB  
speedywheels : 12/19/2018 8:06 pm : link
In comment 14227015 Go Terps said:
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Lamar Jackson is the #1 reason the Ravens have one of the best defenses in the league. It's easy to play defense when your defense is only on the field 24 minutes a game and the opponent is only getting 55 offensive plays. That's the impact of what the Ravens are doing on offense with Jackson.

Remember Super Bowl XXV with Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas standing on the sidelines? That's what the Ravens are trying to do every week, and it's taking them to the playoffs.


And when defenses figure out how to stop him (and they will), and he's forced to pass more, what then? He hasn't shown anything to indicate he can do that effectively in the NFL.
speedy  
Go Terps : 12/19/2018 8:12 pm : link
I posted about this on another thread yesterday. There is no "figuring out how to stop him"...the Ravens have committed to running the ball 40-50 times a game as a team. Jackson is only getting about 15 of those carries. The rest are being dispersed among their backs, who aren't exceptional players. Everyone knows they're going to run the ball a ton...and no one is stopping it. Here's my post from yesterday:

Because I like fucking around in Excel, and because there's no one in the office, I compared the Ravens' offense this year with Flacco and with Jackson. Note their W-L is 4-5 Flacco, and 4-1 with Jackson. Here's a comp:

With Flacco:

23.67 PPG, 69 plays per game, 5.30 yards/play 30:40 Avg. TOP

With Jackson:

25.6 PPG, 70.6 plays per game, 5.31 yards/play 36:12 Avg. TOP

Pointing to Jackson's number of completions per game (he's actually averaging 14 since he became the starter) doesn't accurately paint the picture of what's going on. The Ravens have shifted their pass/run ratio dramatically because Jackson can run the ball.

The threat of Jackson running the football has improved all their runners enormously. A rushing comp:

With Flacco: 3.61 yards/rush
With Jackson: 4.92 yards/rush

It's important to keep in mind that this improvement is despite opponents knowing Baltimore is going to be a heavy run-first team.

Now you would think the Ravens have lost a lot of their passing efficiency going from Flacco to Jackson. Think again:

With Flacco: 6.3 yards/pass
With Jackson: 6.1 yards/pass

Jackson has improved the run game tremendously but cost them almost nothing in the passing game.

And by the way, these are the first 5 starts of Jackson's career. This improvement is taking into consideration the learning curve you'd associate with being a rookie QB.

This isn't just to credit Jackson. It's also a credit to Harbaugh and his coaching staff for playing to their strengths.
RE: RE: WillVAB  
Eman11 : 12/19/2018 8:26 pm : link
In comment 14227022 speedywheels said:
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Lamar Jackson is the #1 reason the Ravens have one of the best defenses in the league. It's easy to play defense when your defense is only on the field 24 minutes a game and the opponent is only getting 55 offensive plays. That's the impact of what the Ravens are doing on offense with Jackson.

Remember Super Bowl XXV with Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas standing on the sidelines? That's what the Ravens are trying to do every week, and it's taking them to the playoffs.



And when defenses figure out how to stop him (and they will), and he's forced to pass more, what then? He hasn't shown anything to indicate he can do that effectively in the NFL.


I'm not impressed with his throwing either. I've seen too many bounced, underthrown, and just flat out bad throws to think he's an NFL starting QB type passer.

Never liked Scam Newton  
SHO'NUFF : 12/19/2018 11:59 pm : link
since Auburn...but no surprise, the NCAA has allowed even more rampant cheating rather than stopping it since Scam Newton.
RE: Cam is not a bad dude. Far from it. He's  
Jints in Carolina : 12/20/2018 7:52 am : link
In comment 14226777 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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very involved in the community here & deserves credit for that.

That Super Bowl play is obviously indefensible.


He really isn't a bad dude like you said, but as others have alluded to, he has an attitude problem. Showboats when he wins, pouts and cries when he loses....be a damn leader. You are the face of the franchise.
Newton's a frontrunner  
JonC : 12/20/2018 8:19 am : link
with a re-damaged shoulder. It looks like it's killing him, his velocity and ability to push it downfield are shot right now. He's been running and climbing out of the pocket less, probably to protect him from the beating he was taking. But, it also limits his effectiveness at the NFL level.
RE: RE: Cam is not a bad dude. Far from it. He's  
section125 : 12/20/2018 8:26 am : link
In comment 14227198 Jints in Carolina said:
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In comment 14226777 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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very involved in the community here & deserves credit for that.

That Super Bowl play is obviously indefensible.



He really isn't a bad dude like you said, but as others have alluded to, he has an attitude problem. Showboats when he wins, pouts and cries when he loses....be a damn leader. You are the face of the franchise.


At 6'5" 250 lbs, he also runs over people, but then falls like a leaf when a pass rusher breezes by him.
Terps..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/20/2018 9:04 am : link
you keep posting the offensive numbers with Jackson. Let's put aside that he's beaten Cincy, TB, Raiders and Atlanta.

Your assertion is that he makes the defense better. But the numbers show that the Ravens D was the #1 defense through 8 games. I think they are now #2.

Just don't create facts to support something.

And for all this bluster about Jackson, Baltimore still hasn't even secured a playoff berth.

I liked Jackson coming into the draft, but he doesn't look like an NFL QB right now. He looks like a very good RB.
We keep talking about the shelf life of RB's....  
Britt in VA : 12/20/2018 9:07 am : link
has anybody done any research on the shelf life of "mobile" QB's?
RE: RE: Cam is not a bad dude. Far from it. He's  
NoPeanutz : 12/20/2018 9:12 am : link
In comment 14227198 Jints in Carolina said:
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In comment 14226777 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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very involved in the community here & deserves credit for that.

That Super Bowl play is obviously indefensible.



He really isn't a bad dude like you said, but as others have alluded to, he has an attitude problem. Showboats when he wins, pouts and cries when he loses....be a damn leader. You are the face of the franchise.

I don't know if he's bad dude. Just a cheater and a thief. Multiple counts of which had him facing expulsion from college.
Quick Google Search game up with this article.  
Britt in VA : 12/20/2018 9:14 am : link
It was written for fantasy football, but interesting nonetheless. At least to me. Looks like this guy did the research.

The Shelf Life of a Mobile Quarterback - ( New Window )
RE: Quick Google Search game up with this article.  
christian : 12/20/2018 9:16 am : link
In comment 14227334 Britt in VA said:
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It was written for fantasy football, but interesting nonetheless. At least to me. Looks like this guy did the research. The Shelf Life of a Mobile Quarterback - ( New Window )


It'd be interesting to know the shelf life of non-mobile QBs in that same time frame.
RE: RE: Quick Google Search game up with this article.  
Britt in VA : 12/20/2018 9:18 am : link
In comment 14227340 christian said:
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In comment 14227334 Britt in VA said:


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It was written for fantasy football, but interesting nonetheless. At least to me. Looks like this guy did the research. The Shelf Life of a Mobile Quarterback - ( New Window )



It'd be interesting to know the shelf life of non-mobile QBs in that same time frame.


He used non mobile pocket passers as his control group.

They were still playing at a peak level at year 14, while the mobile ones were peaking around year 5-6, then rapidly went into decline.
Interestingly enough....  
Britt in VA : 12/20/2018 9:21 am : link
one of his first points was that Cam Newton was past his peak performance.

I'm not a analytics guy, I don't pretend to understand his methodology, but he's done the research I guess. Not sure how valid it is or not, just interesting.
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