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pjcas18 : 12/22/2018 10:49 am
so the world juniors starts in 4 days, but there are already exhibition games going on.

Most of the teams with fans on here have players in this tournament. This is IMO the best chance to see the kind of players your teams drafted and some draft eligible players.

Czech Republic is loaded: Martin Necas (CAR), Martin Kaut (COL), Zadina (DET) = all three were 1st round picks, Zadina and Kaut last year, Necas in 2017.

but they're not the favorites.

IMO Canada is.

Owen Tippett (FLA), Nick Suzuki (MTL), Joe Veleno (DET), Bouchard (EDM), Dobson (NYI), Brook (MTL), Ty Smith (NJD), Frost (PHI), Hayton (ARI), probably the best goalie prospect in Cody Glass and the 2020 (yes 2020) projected #1 pick with Alexis Lafreniere, - Canada is absolutely loaded, right now it's Canada then everyone else.

USA has some great talent too, highlighted by:

projected 2019 #1 overall pick Jack Hughes, but also his older brother Quinn Hughes (VAN)
K'Andre Miller (NYR)
Dylan Samberg (BUF)
Mattias Samuelsson (BUF - Kjell's son, Ulf's nephew)
Joel Farabee (PHI)
Josh Norris (OTT)
Ryan Poehling (MTL)
Oliver Whalstrom (NYI)

and solid goalies (Cayden Primeau (MTL) - Keith's son) and Spencer Knight - draft eligible - not sure who the primary goalie will be)

and I've mentioned him before, but one of my favorite players to watch is 5'3" Sean Dhooghe. He has everything you want in a hockey player, other than of course...height. He's 2019 draft eligible, not sure if he gets drafted or not, but I love to watch him play, I hope he gets ice time.

NCAA leading scorer Evan Barratt (Penn state) (CHI) is also on the team and could show some people what that means.

Other teams/prospects to watch:

Finland:
Kupari (LAK)
Ylonen (MTL)
Kakko (draft eligible, #2 ranked player right now)
Tolvanen (NSH), hard to believe he's still in this tournament, seems like I've been hearing about him forever.


Russia:
Kravstov, NYR
Podkolzin, draft eligible
Romonov (MTL)


Slovakie:
Cajcovik (lit this tourney up last year, one of my favorite players in the 2019 draft)

Sweden:
Boqvist (CHI)
Broberg - draft eligible
Lundqvist, NYR

I'm sure I missed some players too.


USA schedule (All games on NHL Network):

12/26: vs Slovakia @6:30 PM ET
12/28: vs Kazakhstan @10:30 PM ET
12/29: vs Sweden @10:30 PM ET
12/31: vs Finland @10:30 PM ET

QF: 1/2
SF: 1/4
Medal Games: 1/5

Link to the IIHF website is below.

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Canada is deep, as always.  
Andy in Halifax : 12/22/2018 11:00 am : link
But man do I really like the top end of the US roster.

USA over Canada in the final.
Canada should win this easily  
Jay on the Island : 12/22/2018 11:08 am : link
Their defense is incredible. I've read that Ty Smith and Noah Dobson have been paired together frequently and are likely to be the top pairing.
RE: Canada is deep, as always.  
pjcas18 : 12/22/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 14229297 Andy in Halifax said:
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But man do I really like the top end of the US roster.

USA over Canada in the final.


Last year I felt the US or Sweden had the best team. And of course Canada wins with what I thought was a down year for them, from a talent standpoint.

Carter Hart was unreal. Canada was deep and I loved Kyrou's speed, but didn't think they had super star talent per se.

This year they definitely do.

USA will have a tough time making out of their bracket with Sweden and Finland.

Just need to hope Canada doesn't lose to the Czech's so they avoid Canada until the finals (assuming US comes in 1st or 2nd in group B)
Sorry  
pjcas18 : 12/22/2018 11:11 am : link
not making it "out" of their bracket, but winning their bracket.
RE: Canada should win this easily  
pjcas18 : 12/22/2018 11:13 am : link
In comment 14229304 Jay on the Island said:
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Their defense is incredible. I've read that Ty Smith and Noah Dobson have been paired together frequently and are likely to be the top pairing.


Canada is loaded up and down the roster, but I think Quinn Hughes may be the best defenseman in this tournament.

RE: RE: Canada should win this easily  
Jay on the Island : 12/22/2018 11:26 am : link
In comment 14229311 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14229304 Jay on the Island said:


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Their defense is incredible. I've read that Ty Smith and Noah Dobson have been paired together frequently and are likely to be the top pairing.



Canada is loaded up and down the roster, but I think Quinn Hughes may be the best defenseman in this tournament.

You're probably right. You do know far more than I do on the subject. I'm disappointed that D Reilly Walsh didn't make the roster. He is having a great sophomore season with Harvard with 5 goals and 7 assists in 11 games. Apparently the USA coaching staff wasn't confident in his progress defensively.
RE: RE: RE: Canada should win this easily  
pjcas18 : 12/22/2018 11:36 am : link
In comment 14229323 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14229304 Jay on the Island said:


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Their defense is incredible. I've read that Ty Smith and Noah Dobson have been paired together frequently and are likely to be the top pairing.



Canada is loaded up and down the roster, but I think Quinn Hughes may be the best defenseman in this tournament.



You're probably right. You do know far more than I do on the subject. I'm disappointed that D Reilly Walsh didn't make the roster. He is having a great sophomore season with Harvard with 5 goals and 7 assists in 11 games. Apparently the USA coaching staff wasn't confident in his progress defensively.


I just know the guys we're talking about. Dobson, Smith, Bouchard, Hughes, etc...all awesome. Offensively, none skate like Hughes though so he'l stand out. Defensively they all probably have an edge on him, but in a tourney like this offense rules (for getting attention).

I love Adam Fox from Harvard as a prospect. Calgary pick traded to CAR in the Hamilton trade.

For a non top 2 round draft pick I think he'll contribute in the NHL.

He's a Jr though now, so I'd be nervous he goes back to school. If he goes for his Sr. season I think there's a good chance he becomes a FA (like Vesey, Hayes, Butcher, etc.)

The only benefit of the Devils sucking this season  
Jay on the Island : 12/22/2018 12:57 pm : link
is that they have a decent shot of landing Hughes.
Rangers  
Jay in Toronto : 12/22/2018 5:02 pm : link
in addition to K'Andre Miller (who leads the Badgers in scoring) Keane has gotten good reviews.
Oh yea,  
Jay in Toronto : 12/22/2018 5:03 pm : link
Dhooghe is a Badger too :)
Great tourney...  
trueblueinpw : 12/22/2018 9:28 pm : link
Isn’t US playing CR tonight in prelims? I gotta see if it’s on FIOS.
Sean Dhooghe is 5'3"?  
Jay on the Island : 12/23/2018 10:23 am : link
Wow that is tiny. I can't imagine him going early in the draft regardless of his skill. Has there ever been a player that short in the NHL? I would have no issue drafting him late as he would surely be a fan favorite.
Nice start  
JayBinQueens : 12/23/2018 10:50 am : link
To the tourney for Whalstrom
RE: Sean Dhooghe is 5'3  
pjcas18 : 12/23/2018 11:04 am : link
In comment 14229935 Jay on the Island said:
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Wow that is tiny. I can't imagine him going early in the draft regardless of his skill. Has there ever been a player that short in the NHL? I would have no issue drafting him late as he would surely be a fan favorite.


No, I don't think anyone that short was drafted, but I don't know. I definitely don't think he'd get drafted early, if he gets drafted at all, but watch the tournament. he plays bigger than his size. I think that might work at NCAA, but not in the NHL, but we'll find out.
Unfortunately Keane  
Jay in Toronto : 12/23/2018 12:47 pm : link
was a late cut from the US Team.

So Ranger prospects:

Miller on Team USA, Kravtsov for Russia, Lundkvist (probably) & Ragnarsson for Sweden & Nico Gross for Switzerland.
RE: Great tourney...  
Jay in Toronto : 12/23/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14229656 trueblueinpw said:
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Isn’t US playing CR tonight in prelims? I gotta see if it’s on FIOS.


Here is the schedule. Starts Wednesday

Looks like the US play 13:30 EST
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RE: Unfortunately Keane  
pjcas18 : 12/23/2018 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14230111 Jay in Toronto said:
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was a late cut from the US Team.

So Ranger prospects:

Miller on Team USA, Kravtsov for Russia, Lundkvist (probably) & Ragnarsson for Sweden & Nico Gross for Switzerland.


Dhooghe cut too. Oh well.
USA only has two draft eligible players  
pjcas18 : 12/23/2018 1:07 pm : link
Jack Hughes and goalie Spencer Knight (from Darien, CT).

Everyone on the roster besides those two have been drafted or signed by an NHL team.

7 1st round picks.
4 2nd round picks
2 3rd round picks

over half the team picked in the first 3 rounds of the draft (2018 and 2017).

Highest picks are Quinn Hughes (#7 overall in '18) and Oliver Wahlstrom (#11 overall in '18). Though Jack Hughes expected to go #1 this coming draft.
Not sure how any fan of the Wahlers  
pjcas18 : 12/24/2018 9:55 am : link
views this as anything other than trolling the old school fans.

I am not a Whalers fan, but grew up in CT and their leave was not celebratory event. there is almost no connection between the Whalers and Hurricanes except maybe a couple hundred die hard fans, but even still I have to believe they view this not a as a tribute, but as a slap in the face.

Only good things to come out of this was a "Whalers" win and we got to hear Brass Bonanza (Whalers theme song) after 5 goals. Plus see the best uniforms in sports.

Sorry, this is not world juniors related, but I didn't want to start a thread for it.

What a secin’  
trueblueinpw : 12/24/2018 10:49 am : link
The Hurricanes wore the old Whalers uniforms for a game against the Broons? Da faq?
Mike Anderson  
pjcas18 : 12/25/2018 1:34 pm : link
(LAK) named USA captain.

Quinn Hughes (VAN) and Josh Norris (OTT via Karlsson trade) named alternates.

Anderson's brother Joey (NJD) was captain last year of the bronze medal team. Mikey was on that team too.

Games start tomorrow.
Didn't realize I had this typo  
pjcas18 : 12/26/2018 11:23 am : link
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probably the best goalie prospect in Cody Glass


Meant Michael Dipietro. He reminds me a little of Carter Hart, the Flyers youngster who stole this tourney last year.

Glass is an awesome prospect and I meant to include him in the talent and depth Canada has, but he's not a goalie. Glass is a C, drafted by LVG.
Speculated  
pjcas18 : 12/26/2018 11:28 am : link
that US top line will have Hughes at center with Farabee and Wahlstrom on the wings.

I'll put that line up against any line in the tournament.
World Juniors  
pjcas18 : 12/26/2018 2:02 pm : link
preview show on NHLN now for those interested.
PJ  
Jay on the Island : 12/26/2018 3:41 pm : link
Are there any good goalie prospects in the tournament that recently went undrafted but are eligible to sign with an NHL team?

RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 12/26/2018 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14233545 Jay on the Island said:
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Are there any good goalie prospects in the tournament that recently went undrafted but are eligible to sign with an NHL team?


Not sure about the European teams, but not on USA or CAN.

there are a few draft eligible goalies, but I don't know about any free agents. I bet there are some on some of the Euro teams.
Ugggh  
B in ALB : 12/26/2018 8:01 pm : link
US down 1-0 in the 3rd. They don't look particularly good.
Here is a good free stream  
JPinstripes : 12/26/2018 8:22 pm : link
if anyone wants to watch the 3rd period

Free stream - ( New Window )
US ties it up quick  
B in ALB : 12/26/2018 8:26 pm : link
1-1 with 18:50 left.
Wow  
JayBinQueens : 12/26/2018 8:33 pm : link
Beautiful shot
2-1 US on a nasty backhand  
B in ALB : 12/26/2018 8:34 pm : link
.
K'Andre Miller has the size of Marc Staal  
Anakim : 12/26/2018 8:40 pm : link
But unlike Staal, he can actually skate...
US dominating...  
trueblueinpw : 12/26/2018 8:48 pm : link
It’s like the penalty shot was an intermission to an ass thrashing. Let’s go USA!
Miller is a big boy  
B in ALB : 12/26/2018 9:05 pm : link
Damn it'll be good to have him on the back line.
Canada up big!  
trueblueinpw : 12/26/2018 10:21 pm : link
Almost two touchdowns.
What the fuck am I watching?  
B in ALB : 12/26/2018 10:27 pm : link
13-0?

Holy pubes.
Needed to DVR the game  
pjcas18 : 12/26/2018 10:40 pm : link
and just finished watching it.

W is a W and in this tourney that's all that matters, but man that was ugly.

Quinn Hughes best player on the ice. Jack Hughes flashed his greatness, Barratt, Poehling, Robertson, Madden, Miller, Samberg all looked good at times.

Wahlstrom looked apathetic, Farabee too, didn't even realized he played until he took a penalty, and some others were invisible.

USA plays like this vs Sweden and Finland it will be a short tourney for them, since they'll likely move on once they beat Kazakstan, but playing Canada in the QF would be bad.

Hard to remember sometimes that players like Jack Hughes, who is 17 years old can play in this tournament 2 more times (but obviously won't) and in some cases they're playing against 19 year-olds. 17 to 19 can be a big physical difference. Players like Brady Tkachuk, Rasmus Dahlin, Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Andrei Svechnikov, Filip Chytil, Robert Thomas, Nico Hischier, etc. can still be in this tournament.

Canada has a lot of 19 year olds I believe. US has a few.
Hope we didn't spoil anything  
B in ALB : 12/26/2018 10:47 pm : link
for you, pj.
RE: Hope we didn't spoil anything  
pjcas18 : 12/26/2018 10:49 pm : link
In comment 14233827 B in ALB said:
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for you, pj.


No, I watched the game first before checking in here. I wouldn't have cared anyway.

I liked the US goalie too. I thought Spencer Knight would start, but this kid played well.

both penalty shots were horse shit calls, even for IIHF where they generally call a much tighter game.
Kravstov playing 1C  
JPinstripes : 12/27/2018 3:46 pm : link
for Russia reported. Coming up at 4:00pm EST

Here is a free stream link of today's games.



Stream World Juniors - ( New Window )
Have to feel bad for Ovechkin watching these World Juniors.  
BrettNYG10 : 12/27/2018 6:18 pm : link
He has a real shot at breaking Gretzky’s goal record, but it will all be for nothing since Kravtsov will hit 1,000 in 2030.
Absolute horseshit.  
BrettNYG10 : 12/27/2018 6:25 pm : link
Garbage Canadiens pick wins player of the game instead of Kravtsov.
RE: Absolute horseshit.  
pjcas18 : 12/27/2018 8:15 pm : link
In comment 14234726 BrettNYG10 said:
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Garbage Canadiens pick wins player of the game instead of Kravtsov.

Romonov? didn't see this game, my daughter had a game same time.
Good surge by the Swiss at the end there...  
trueblueinpw : 12/27/2018 10:30 pm : link
At least they didn’t let Canada roll over them.
USA beat Kazakhstan  
pjcas18 : 12/29/2018 9:45 am : link
in an uneventful game other than Jack Hughes didn't play. He's listed as day to day.

Joel Farabee who I criticized after game 1 responded with a hatty (natural) and other than giving up the two goals USA the game was not a contest in any way.

Now it gets interesting.

USA vs Sweden tonight at 10:30 ET and then Finland on New Yesr's Eve at 10:30 ET.

USA vs Sweden could be for #1 seed in group b, because Sweden already beat Finland. If US beats the Swedes I think they'll win Group B no matter what they do vs the Fins.

not 100% sure of the tiebreakers, but this is the pivotal game nonetheless.
USA getting out worked  
pjcas18 : 12/29/2018 11:40 pm : link
and out skilled by Sweden right now.

Down 1 - 0 almost halfway through the game.

No Jack Hughes again for the US.

No offense or sustained pressure for the US.

Now 2 - 0 as I type this.
Quinn Hughes  
pjcas18 : 12/29/2018 11:46 pm : link
gives the puck away at center ice, 3 - 0 Sweden.

Boys in blue just not good enough...  
trueblueinpw : 12/30/2018 12:27 am : link
Getting outplayed end to end by the IKEA squad.
Tie Game Haters!  
B in ALB : 12/30/2018 12:50 am : link
4-4! Holy shit!
Aaaand the swedes win  
B in ALB : 12/30/2018 1:01 am : link
On a pretty goal.
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