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pjcas18 : 12/22/2018 10:49 am
so the world juniors starts in 4 days, but there are already exhibition games going on.

Most of the teams with fans on here have players in this tournament. This is IMO the best chance to see the kind of players your teams drafted and some draft eligible players.

Czech Republic is loaded: Martin Necas (CAR), Martin Kaut (COL), Zadina (DET) = all three were 1st round picks, Zadina and Kaut last year, Necas in 2017.

but they're not the favorites.

IMO Canada is.

Owen Tippett (FLA), Nick Suzuki (MTL), Joe Veleno (DET), Bouchard (EDM), Dobson (NYI), Brook (MTL), Ty Smith (NJD), Frost (PHI), Hayton (ARI), probably the best goalie prospect in Cody Glass and the 2020 (yes 2020) projected #1 pick with Alexis Lafreniere, - Canada is absolutely loaded, right now it's Canada then everyone else.

USA has some great talent too, highlighted by:

projected 2019 #1 overall pick Jack Hughes, but also his older brother Quinn Hughes (VAN)
K'Andre Miller (NYR)
Dylan Samberg (BUF)
Mattias Samuelsson (BUF - Kjell's son, Ulf's nephew)
Joel Farabee (PHI)
Josh Norris (OTT)
Ryan Poehling (MTL)
Oliver Whalstrom (NYI)

and solid goalies (Cayden Primeau (MTL) - Keith's son) and Spencer Knight - draft eligible - not sure who the primary goalie will be)

and I've mentioned him before, but one of my favorite players to watch is 5'3" Sean Dhooghe. He has everything you want in a hockey player, other than of course...height. He's 2019 draft eligible, not sure if he gets drafted or not, but I love to watch him play, I hope he gets ice time.

NCAA leading scorer Evan Barratt (Penn state) (CHI) is also on the team and could show some people what that means.

Other teams/prospects to watch:

Finland:
Kupari (LAK)
Ylonen (MTL)
Kakko (draft eligible, #2 ranked player right now)
Tolvanen (NSH), hard to believe he's still in this tournament, seems like I've been hearing about him forever.


Russia:
Kravstov, NYR
Podkolzin, draft eligible
Romonov (MTL)


Slovakie:
Cajcovik (lit this tourney up last year, one of my favorite players in the 2019 draft)

Sweden:
Boqvist (CHI)
Broberg - draft eligible
Lundqvist, NYR

I'm sure I missed some players too.


USA schedule (All games on NHL Network):

12/26: vs Slovakia @6:30 PM ET
12/28: vs Kazakhstan @10:30 PM ET
12/29: vs Sweden @10:30 PM ET
12/31: vs Finland @10:30 PM ET

QF: 1/2
SF: 1/4
Medal Games: 1/5

Link to the IIHF website is below.

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it was a solid comeback  
pjcas18 : 12/30/2018 9:40 am : link
just wish they didn't wait so long to start it.

Ryan Poehling (MTL) is going to be a good pro. Nervous though he stays in school and becomes a FA. I think he's a junior at St. Cloud State now, and this is where it begins getting in players heads. One more year, graduate, then become a FA and sign with anyone.
Ha!  
trueblueinpw : 12/30/2018 10:02 am : link
So funny to see how the role of US college hockey has changed over the past 20 years. Not a C league anymore.
Love to see the Swiss hang on to beat the Ruskies...  
trueblueinpw : 12/30/2018 8:46 pm : link
Still two periods though. Tall task.
Swiss are a fun team to watch  
pjcas18 : 12/31/2018 9:42 am : link
and hopefully the US beats the Fins tonight and clinches 2nd place in Group B and can play the Swiss in the QF, though I think it's more likely the US plays the Czech's in the QF since the Czech's play Denmark today and are all but assured 3 pts and will pass the Swiss.

wonder if Jack Hughes is back today.
Canada looks fairly dominant  
Andy in Halifax : 12/31/2018 9:49 am : link
But I still like the American team. Quinn Hughes is incredible imo. I think they will ride him in a game against Canada. They might need a huge goaltending effort, but I like that roster a lot.

Swedes are good, but I take the Americans if they play again.
Canada  
pjcas18 : 12/31/2018 9:53 am : link
would be favored against the past 4 or 5 winners of this tournament. they are so deep.

If Jack Hughes plays the US can beat Sweden. If he doesn't it should be close like last game, just not getting there the same way.

I think Canada beats anyone.
And I agree on Quinn Hughes  
pjcas18 : 12/31/2018 10:10 am : link
best defenseman in the tournament IMO, but he's playing like he has to carry the team.

and it's costing the team.

Some of the US D have been exposed, mostly Samuellson IMO, he's massive, but slow. Not a good match for the Swedes.

Yeah, I noticed that too.  
Andy in Halifax : 12/31/2018 10:59 am : link
To Canada's credit, a few years ago they finally realized the big slow D just don't work in this tournament. Samuelsson definitely looked slow out there.
Russia  
pjcas18 : 12/31/2018 11:21 am : link
has surprised me a little. I heard one commentator talk about Russia and the "give a shit factor" or something like that.

he said a lot of years they seem like they don't give a shit about this tournament. but when they do, they tend to do well. Seems like they care this year. Looking forward to Russia vs Canada tonight almost as much as USA vs Finland.

Canada has a couple habs, Suzuki and Brook and Russia has 1 with Romonov.

Poehling has been the story for the US so far, I hope they keep him at C. Even in the 5 v 3 vs Sweden when he was the only US forward his instincts took over and he was able to help kill off the 2 man advantage.

Probably tourney MVP at this point. Lots of hockey left though.
Speakinf of Whalers...  
trueblueinpw : 12/31/2018 9:10 pm : link
Nice to see Ray Ray doing commentary for TSN.
Chippy tonight...  
trueblueinpw : 12/31/2018 9:37 pm : link
Lotta fancy stick work by the Ruskies. As always.
USA  
pjcas18 : 1/1/2019 12:41 am : link
whites a million times better than the blues.

USA dominating the Fins. Need this kind of performance to advance in this tourney.

USA likely 2nd in group B.

Canada surprised by Russia, finishes 2nd in group A.

USA needs more grit. They miss Tkachuk and Bellows.
Best game of the tourney  
pjcas18 : 1/1/2019 12:58 am : link
so far for USA, 4 - 1 over the Fins. Something to build on, still no Jack Hughes though. Hopefully no concussion and he's back for the QF
US plays the Czechs  
pjcas18 : 1/1/2019 10:27 am : link
in the QF tomorrow at 8pm.

Canadiens get the Fins.

Swedes vs Swiss

and

Russians get the Slovaks.

With a win, the US would play the Russia vs Slovak winner.

Sweden vs Canada (assuming chalk) would be a great semi-final and a repeat of last year's gold medal game.

Hope Jacks back tonight...  
trueblueinpw : 1/1/2019 11:48 am : link
But think USA can get past CR w/o him. Didnt see the last three goals against the Finns but thats a solid win.
QF's  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 9:35 am : link
tonight.
USA (B2) vs the Czechs (A3)
Canada (A2) vs the Fins (B3)
Russia (A1) vs Slovakia (B4)
Sweden (B1) vs Switzerland (A4)

Speculation is Jack Hughes will return tonight. He was seen participating in an optional team skate yesterday, but he was allegedly a full participant in team practice on NYE so who knows for sure.

I would normally says he's hurting his stock by missing out on the premier showcase event for prospects, but Kaapo Kakko the consensus #2 hasn't done much to help himself.

If chalk holds, the semis would be some compelling hockey. USA vs Russia and Canada vs Sweden.

Oddsmakers have the Canada vs Sweden winner as the gold favorite, but US the favorite in their bracket.

Some good hockey to see tonight.
My tourny favs each finished second in their pool  
Andy in Halifax : 1/2/2019 12:07 pm : link
so that tells you what you need to know about my ability to predict these things. I love the forward group of Canada, but I think their D are terribly overrated, Bouchard and Dobson are not playing as well as their draft status would lead you to believe (sorry to Oilers and Islanders fans).

Canada is deeper than the US, but I like the top end of the US roster more and still maintain US over Canada in the finals.
RE: My tourny favs each finished second in their pool  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14244205 Andy in Halifax said:
Quote:
so that tells you what you need to know about my ability to predict these things. I love the forward group of Canada, but I think their D are terribly overrated, Bouchard and Dobson are not playing as well as their draft status would lead you to believe (sorry to Oilers and Islanders fans).

Canada is deeper than the US, but I like the top end of the US roster more and still maintain US over Canada in the finals.


Have you see Josh Brook at all? I haven't watched Canada much, but sounds like Suzuki looks good, though not on the score sheet, haven't heard much about Brook.

I agree with you on Canada's D, opposite of last year where they had Mete and Makar in the top 4. two smaller puck movers. This year they are much bigger, physical, big shot D, but not as good as skating with the puck.

And I agree with you about the top end talent, but if that's all that mattered the Czech's would win, hard to match a line of Necas, Zadina, and Kaut. but they're not very deep and so far have been very undisciplined.

In the end I think depth and goaltending prevail, so whoevers goalie gets hot moves on.
Not sure you can draw any conclusions from this  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 1:05 pm : link

Mike Morreale
‏Verified account @mikemorrealeNHL
17s17 seconds ago

Jack Hughes, who has missed past 3 gms with an inj, on the ice for USA morning skate .... USA v CZE tonight in WJC 1/4 rd
Hughes confirmed in tonight  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 2:11 pm : link

TSN
‏Verified account @TSN_Sports
12s12 seconds ago

Hughes to play for U.S. in WJC quarters. MORE: https://www.tsn.ca/hughes-to-play-for-u-s-in-wjc-quarters-1.1234821


Bob McKenzie

@TSNBobMcKenzie

Team USA says Jack Hughes will be back in the lineup tonight in QF game against CZE at the @iihf_wjc
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1:39 PM - Jan 2, 2019
Swedes down  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 5:02 pm : link
early to the Swiss 1 - 0

Won't last, but man the Swiss are a tough out. GF/GA of 11:12 with no luck to show for it.
2 - 0  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 5:23 pm : link
Swiss.

5 min left in the 2nd. This would obviously be an epic upset. Still doubt they hold on, but they're sure making it fun.
Amazing  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 6:32 pm : link
The Swiss knock out the Swedes.

Love seeing the smile and exuberance on their faces.

They were solid all tournament, and finally pays off.

Canada's path got easier. If they take care of their own business.
Love the  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 8:07 pm : link
'80 throw backs, glad they're wearing them.
What a pass by Hughes  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 8:29 pm : link
and nice finish by Cates.

USA up 1 - 0.
Dominant  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 8:42 pm : link
1st period by the US, one Necas/Zadina shift generated sustained pressure, otherwise in the Czech zone all game.

only downside is just 1 goal.

Czech's can strike quickly.
holy shit  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 8:54 pm : link
Fins tie Canada with 40 second left in regulation.
Canada  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 9:06 pm : link
(Comtois) misses the OT penalty shot, game still tied.
Josh Norris  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 9:07 pm : link
scores all alone on a great feed, 2 - 0 USA.
Down  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 9:10 pm : link
goes Canada.

Shocker.
They hate the US  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 9:10 pm : link
team here in Vancouver/British Columbia
Czech's  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 9:13 pm : link
pushing here, Primeau coming up strong.
Can't believe this...  
rnargi : 1/2/2019 9:16 pm : link
Sweden AND Canada gone! Wow! USA looks a little slow and slopyy tonight and still up 2-0. They need to get sharp quickly.
Pj...  
rnargi : 1/2/2019 9:18 pm : link
Those are actually the 1960 throwbacks. And they're spectacular.
RE: Pj...  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 9:21 pm : link
In comment 14245242 rnargi said:
Quote:
Those are actually the 1960 throwbacks. And they're spectacular.


Yes, '60 throw backs. I really don't like the blues. I like these much better.
End of 2  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 9:29 pm : link
US still in control 2 - 0.

Outs shooting the Czech's 26 - 12.

Giveaways almist  
rnargi : 1/2/2019 9:31 pm : link
Bit them in the ass in those last 20 seconds
Ouch  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 9:46 pm : link
they showed the Canada final, Cody Glass set up for a potential game-ending one-timer, but his stick broke and it led to the odd-man Finnish rush the other way and the GW.

I am amazed at how many composite sticks break.

when I grew up it was all wood stick, there was some fiberglass sticks toward the end of my career, but mostly wood. In high school, I went to what was considered a prestigious high school in terms of hockey and before each season we got a dozen sticks. no one used half of them. And those sticks if we did have to buy them cost $15 in the late 80's (and of course my father complained about it).

composite sticks cost around $300 for the high end sticks (and they have a 30-day warranty) and watch an NHL game and you see 5 - 10 break every game.


anyway, back to the game. what a save by the Czech goalie.
That net was open...  
rnargi : 1/2/2019 9:54 pm : link
Canada had literally everything go against them that possibly could from the last minute of the third onwards. Puck luck was completely on the Fins side. CZE netminder is standing on his head in the third. Wow.
this Czech  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 9:56 pm : link
goalie is on fire.

Im with you about sticks pj  
rnargi : 1/2/2019 9:57 pm : link
I used maybe three a season and only 1 when I was playing goal. All wood. Composite and fiberglass were still Yeats away lol. I remember the first composite goalie stick I used...it was like a feather compared to wood.
OMG!  
rnargi : 1/2/2019 9:58 pm : link
This should be 8-0!
Pp CZE  
rnargi : 1/2/2019 10:03 pm : link
... goalie kept them in...now they have a chance
PP  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 10:04 pm : link
goal cuts the deficit, setting up the upset
Huge PP  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 10:09 pm : link
here for USA, borderline dive, but close enough to call IMO
Yup...  
rnargi : 1/2/2019 10:10 pm : link
... they should have buried them and now anything can happen
Gotta  
rnargi : 1/2/2019 10:11 pm : link
Capitalize here
Czechs  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 10:13 pm : link
have the momentum
2:17 left  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 10:14 pm : link
US back on their heels.
Crowd really hates the Americans  
rnargi : 1/2/2019 10:16 pm : link
...gotta be strong on the puck from here on out. No Half assing anything.
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