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It's time to end the "Eli is done", "Eli can't play" garbage

NYGmen58 : 12/23/2018 9:41 pm
Overall, I'm actually pretty impressed with Eli's performance this year, considering how bad the team around him is. I'm also not blind to the fact that he's going to be 38 and the Giants need to have a replacement for after 2019 or 2020 (if they extend him for salary cap purposes).

However, only a fool would view Eli as part of the problem and not part of the solution (at least for the short term). Today was a perfect example - he singlehandedly carved up the Colts defense with a shoddy offensive line and ABSOLUTELY NO RUNNING GAME TO SPEAK OF. Yes, he's had a couple bad games (first Redksins game and Titans game) and a few brutally awful moments (INT in 2nd Eagles game) but otherwise he's shown to be a more than capable quarterback and appears to be rejuvenated after a rough 2017 campaign.

I know some of the mouth-breathers and fantasy football geeks on here are trying to run him out of town (strangely without presenting a feasible succession plan) just like they did with Coughlin 3 years ago. Eli is asbolutely not without flaws and deserves his fair share of criticism but he still gives the Giants the best chance to compete and hopefully win next year.

THE BOTTOM LINE: Eli may no longer be a top-tier QB but he's more than servicable and Shurmur has finally figured out how to use him appropriately (i.e. more under center, play-action, rollouts). Many of the players STARTING for the Giants this season would be hard-pressed to make the 53-man roster of most other teams and that's an unfortunate fact. If your heart doesn't break for Eli and the situtation he's been put in for the last several years, you have a very warped view of reality. Get him a competent offensive line and SOME/ANY talent on the defensive side of the ball next year and the Giants can be a playoff team again with Eli at the helm.
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You're on the money here.  
18E : 12/23/2018 9:51 pm : link
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christian : 12/23/2018 9:56 pm : link
Do you think the Giants can build a championship roster to coincide with the time Manning has left as a quality NFL quarterback?
Nothing new for me from before the season started.  
Big Blue '56 : 12/23/2018 9:56 pm : link
That is, give Eli a good OL and he’ll get the job done. Sure, get that future QB sooner, rather than later. In the meantime, continue to fix what needs to be fixed and we will be competitive. If we don’t prioritize the OL, it will be another 4-5 win season, imo
This  
Beer Man : 12/23/2018 9:57 pm : link
+1
Agree  
Rjanyg : 12/23/2018 9:59 pm : link
The line is 3/5 done: Solder, Hernandez and Brown are keepers, add a Center and Right Tackle.

We need to add OLB, FS to the defense to start.

This team is not too far off. Add 2 more OL starters, a couple of front 5 guys and a legit FS on defense and you might actually compete.

Eli cannot carry this team in his back but he tried today.
Disagree with the above poster.  
Marty866b : 12/23/2018 10:01 pm : link
Brown stinks and needs to be upgraded.
RE: Agree  
christian : 12/23/2018 10:02 pm : link
In comment 14231626 Rjanyg said:
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The line is 3/5 done: Solder, Hernandez and Brown are keepers, add a Center and Right Tackle.

We need to add OLB, FS to the defense to start.

This team is not too far off. Add 2 more OL starters, a couple of front 5 guys and a legit FS on defense and you might actually compete.

Eli cannot carry this team in his back but he tried today.


Based on the last 5 weeks, you believe Jamon Brown is a player worth giving a contract?
RE: Disagree with the above poster.  
.McL. : 12/23/2018 10:04 pm : link
In comment 14231630 Marty866b said:
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Brown stinks and needs to be upgraded.

Brown has clearly been an upgrade over Jerry and Omameh. Granted that's a low bar.

Before you run him off the team, I think he needs to be evaluated with NFL quality players on either side of him. Right now the players on either side of him don't belong on an NFL roster, let alone starting.
Yep.  
Beezer : 12/23/2018 10:05 pm : link
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Here's what need to be reconciled...  
bw in dc : 12/23/2018 10:06 pm : link
by the Sentimentalists:

Eli can't play consistently from week to week. He has these "once in a while" games and that distorts the entire landscape. This games was indoors and in a comfortable setting. There is nostalgia playing in Indy...

Book this - if we keep Eli for another season, these games will be even fewer and far between.

And then what?

RE: RE: Disagree with the above poster.  
NYGmen58 : 12/23/2018 10:07 pm : link
In comment 14231633 .McL. said:
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In comment 14231630 Marty866b said:


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Brown stinks and needs to be upgraded.


Brown has clearly been an upgrade over Jerry and Omameh. Granted that's a low bar.

Before you run him off the team, I think he needs to be evaluated with NFL quality players on either side of him. Right now the players on either side of him don't belong on an NFL roster, let alone starting.


Correct. Brown has been an upgrade over Omameh (who was dreadful) but he's still a below average player. The Giants can and should do better at RG. Wheeler could be a good depth player but not someone you want starting at RT.
RE: RE: Disagree with the above poster.  
christian : 12/23/2018 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14231633 .McL. said:
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In comment 14231630 Marty866b said:


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Brown stinks and needs to be upgraded.


Brown has clearly been an upgrade over Jerry and Omameh. Granted that's a low bar.

Before you run him off the team, I think he needs to be evaluated with NFL quality players on either side of him. Right now the players on either side of him don't belong on an NFL roster, let alone starting.


As an UFA that's going to be tough. He'll reasonably command a similar contract to what Omameh drew. Is that worth it?
Once again  
BlackLight : 12/23/2018 10:11 pm : link
the entire question of whether we should want Eli back next season turns on who we could get as a replacement.

Anyone who views this entirely through the prism of how well he's played this season is ignoring half of the facts, at best.
for 2019......  
BillKo : 12/23/2018 10:11 pm : link
...I want Eli Manning to QB the Giants, not some scrub that we play to tank the season.

Draft a QB - if they think that player is the deserving to be the next guy - and let him learn from Eli for a year.

And if you don't think that QB exists in 2019, wait until 2020 to draft him and turn the keys over to him then......

RE: Here's what need to be reconciled...  
NYGmen58 : 12/23/2018 10:12 pm : link
In comment 14231638 bw in dc said:
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by the Sentimentalists:

Eli can't play consistently from week to week. He has these "once in a while" games and that distorts the entire landscape. This games was indoors and in a comfortable setting. There is nostalgia playing in Indy...

Book this - if we keep Eli for another season, these games will be even fewer and far between.

And then what?


I respect a difference in opinion but what do you mean by "these games". Of the 15 games this season, the giants have been in all of them save for the first Philly game and the Titans game (and the 2nd half of the Saints game). That's 12 games that the Giants were competitive in and were in a position to win.

Eli has been more of the reason the Giants have won 5 games than he has been part of the reason they lost 10, plain and simple.
RE: Disagree with the above poster.  
Beer Man : 12/23/2018 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14231630 Marty866b said:
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Brown stinks and needs to be upgraded.
Agree, the team needs an upgrade at RG, but it has bigger needs at C and RT. With all of the other holes on the team, Brown can keep the seat warm for another season if the team can find a new C and RT.
Yeah  
mrvax : 12/23/2018 10:16 pm : link
If you upgrade the C and RT, That's terrific. Give Brown a chance in 2019 and then either drop him or let him be a backup.

True upgrades at C and RT will really make a difference.
So can you have an opinion  
oldutican : 12/23/2018 10:17 pm : link
without insulting people as “mouth breathers” if they disagree with your assessment of Eli? He may still be the best option to start next season, but you can’t come on here after he has a good game and shit on people. Yes, people also over react when he has a bad game.
The situation is very clear. He can still make throws and reads when he is given time. He is still the least mobile Qb in the league and extremely vulnerable to pressure. He still can make some really awful decisions, even when he has a good game like today.
Improve the line and hope his skill players stay healthy and this offense can go down the field. Anything less, and it is very difficult to win with Eli.
RE: Yeah  
christian : 12/23/2018 10:18 pm : link
In comment 14231659 mrvax said:
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If you upgrade the C and RT, That's terrific. Give Brown a chance in 2019 and then either drop him or let him be a backup.

True upgrades at C and RT will really make a difference.


What's a reasonable contract for Brown?
read the game reviews by sy  
hassan : 12/23/2018 10:19 pm : link
he has been meh many games this year, bad in a couple and good to very good in several.....all in all mediocre and now aging.

yes he will start, but the idea he’s not mostly done is not bogus, it’s very real sorry. this is the latest version of the haters post.

he probably will still be able to be good for 2-4 games in three years. it’s not good enough.
RE: RE: Disagree with the above poster.  
FStubbs : 12/23/2018 10:20 pm : link
In comment 14231633 .McL. said:
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Brown stinks and needs to be upgraded.


Brown has clearly been an upgrade over Jerry and Omameh. Granted that's a low bar.

Before you run him off the team, I think he needs to be evaluated with NFL quality players on either side of him. Right now the players on either side of him don't belong on an NFL roster, let alone starting.


This.

The reasons you'd consider keeping Brown:

1) The line has resembled an actual NFL line since he entered the lineup. The line is still horrible, but it's not a line that a college team could destroy like the line was the first half of the season.
2) Giants need to upgrade center and RT in the worst way. The line also has no depth.
3) Brown will most likely be a cheap resign which offers value - at least for another year.

If a really good RG is available, sure, replace Brown, but I think it's strongly worth rolling the dice with him at RG next year.
Eli as QB  
Percy : 12/23/2018 10:23 pm : link
Light dawns on BBI.
RE: RE: Here's what need to be reconciled...  
bw in dc : 12/23/2018 10:26 pm : link
In comment 14231653 NYGmen58 said:
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I respect a difference in opinion but what do you mean by "these games". Of the 15 games this season, the giants have been in all of them save for the first Philly game and the Titans game (and the 2nd half of the Saints game). That's 12 games that the Giants were competitive in and were in a position to win.

Eli has been more of the reason the Giants have won 5 games than he has been part of the reason they lost 10, plain and simple.


Games where Eli looks like he's 32 years old.

While I don't agree with it, if we go with your position that Eli has been good/good+ this year, at his age why should we expect that to continue?
When you state an opinion  
joeinpa : 12/23/2018 10:26 pm : link
Followed by , “You re a fool if you don’t agree with my POV, “.

You kinda of lose some credibility with,...... I Don t know,....fair minded people.

Eli might not be done, and at times can be effective is a valid assessment.

However an opposing opinion that he most certainly has been part of the problem is as well.

Rich Gannon today said after talking to the Giants he is certain Eli will be the quarterback next season, and also convinced they will be drafting a quarterback.

Sounds good to me.
RE: Here's what need to be reconciled...  
Giants34 : 12/23/2018 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14231638 bw in dc said:
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by the Sentimentalists:

Eli can't play consistently from week to week. He has these "once in a while" games and that distorts the entire landscape. This games was indoors and in a comfortable setting. There is nostalgia playing in Indy...

Book this - if we keep Eli for another season, these games will be even fewer and far between.

And then what?


You hit the nail on the head. If we run this thing back, we are going to be terrible again next season. No one seems to get that.
RE: RE: Here's what need to be reconciled...  
PetesHereNow : 12/23/2018 10:32 pm : link
In comment 14231672 Giants34 said:
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by the Sentimentalists:

Eli can't play consistently from week to week. He has these "once in a while" games and that distorts the entire landscape. This games was indoors and in a comfortable setting. There is nostalgia playing in Indy...

Book this - if we keep Eli for another season, these games will be even fewer and far between.

And then what?




You hit the nail on the head. If we run this thing back, we are going to be terrible again next season. No one seems to get that.


There's very little chance that next year is a 5 win season assuming we can fix the OL with a good center and RT, and get some pass rushers with a capable FS.
Giants34...  
bw in dc : 12/23/2018 10:36 pm : link
Here's the other piece - what's the ceiling on Eli at this point? Tops - maybe, maybe 9 games? If everything falls into place with some extra luck maybe 10?

RE: RE: RE: Here's what need to be reconciled...  
ajr2456 : 12/23/2018 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14231675 PetesHereNow said:
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by the Sentimentalists:

Eli can't play consistently from week to week. He has these "once in a while" games and that distorts the entire landscape. This games was indoors and in a comfortable setting. There is nostalgia playing in Indy...

Book this - if we keep Eli for another season, these games will be even fewer and far between.

And then what?




You hit the nail on the head. If we run this thing back, we are going to be terrible again next season. No one seems to get that.



There's very little chance that next year is a 5 win season assuming we can fix the OL with a good center and RT, and get some pass rushers with a capable FS.


How sure are you of that?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Here's what need to be reconciled...  
PetesHereNow : 12/23/2018 10:45 pm : link
In comment 14231681 ajr2456 said:
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Eli can't play consistently from week to week. He has these "once in a while" games and that distorts the entire landscape. This games was indoors and in a comfortable setting. There is nostalgia playing in Indy...

Book this - if we keep Eli for another season, these games will be even fewer and far between.

And then what?




You hit the nail on the head. If we run this thing back, we are going to be terrible again next season. No one seems to get that.



There's very little chance that next year is a 5 win season assuming we can fix the OL with a good center and RT, and get some pass rushers with a capable FS.



How sure are you of that?


About 99.9 percent. Good football teams have good offensive lines and can get after the passer. The Giants have neither, and it makes the team look worse than it actually is at the skill positions.
I want whoever is taking the reigns  
GiAnT4LYFE : 12/23/2018 10:49 pm : link
From Eli, to learn from him for a year before he has to.
RE: RE: Yeah  
mrvax : 12/23/2018 10:49 pm : link
In comment 14231662 christian said:
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If you upgrade the C and RT, That's terrific. Give Brown a chance in 2019 and then either drop him or let him be a backup.

True upgrades at C and RT will really make a difference.



What's a reasonable contract for Brown?


I'd guess about 1 year $2M. He's currently making about $900,000 and no one's beating down his door.
He’s not worth $23M/year  
TD : 12/23/2018 10:50 pm : link
All this other talent we need to add for Eli to be successful at this stage in his career is going to cost money - at least a good chunk of it will. We probably can’t create a bulletproof roster AND pay Eli $23M. A $23M QB SHOULD be able to make do with a less than perfect roster. Unfortunately,

Eli is a game manager at this point. He can still make some plays but he’s not a top tier QB any more - in fact, even during his “good” three quarters today he was missing opportunities for bigger plays (opportunities that I like to think he would make 5 years ago). And his skills will continue to gradually deteriorate with each year.
He’s not worth $23M/year  
TD : 12/23/2018 10:51 pm : link
All this other talent we need to add for Eli to be successful at this stage in his career is going to cost money - at least a good chunk of it will. We probably can’t create a bulletproof roster AND pay Eli $23M. A $23M QB SHOULD be able to make do with a less than perfect roster.

Unfortunately, Eli is a game manager at this point. He can still make some plays but he’s not a top tier QB any more - in fact, even during his “good” three quarters today he was missing opportunities for bigger plays (opportunities that I like to think he would make 5 years ago). And his skills will continue to gradually deteriorate with each year.
RE: RE: RE: Yeah  
christian : 12/23/2018 10:54 pm : link
In comment 14231689 mrvax said:
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If you upgrade the C and RT, That's terrific. Give Brown a chance in 2019 and then either drop him or let him be a backup.

True upgrades at C and RT will really make a difference.



What's a reasonable contract for Brown?



I'd guess about 1 year $2M. He's currently making about $900,000 and no one's beating down his door.


I think Brown will get a multi-year offer from someone. Especially considering the contract Omameh received. I won't be surprised if he gets more than Omameh got.
Eli has thrown some good long balls and still has touch  
SHO'NUFF : 12/23/2018 11:12 pm : link
on dimes to the sideline...we can still win with him given enough protection.
RE: He’s not worth $23M/year  
PetesHereNow : 12/23/2018 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14231691 TD said:
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All this other talent we need to add for Eli to be successful at this stage in his career is going to cost money - at least a good chunk of it will. We probably can’t create a bulletproof roster AND pay Eli $23M. A $23M QB SHOULD be able to make do with a less than perfect roster.

Unfortunately, Eli is a game manager at this point. He can still make some plays but he’s not a top tier QB any more - in fact, even during his “good” three quarters today he was missing opportunities for bigger plays (opportunities that I like to think he would make 5 years ago). And his skills will continue to gradually deteriorate with each year.


So a 23M QB should be able to do more with a less than perfect roster? Someone should inform Matthew Stafford and Matt Ryan. Neither of them are making the playoffs this year either.
RE: RE: He’s not worth $23M/year  
dep026 : 12/23/2018 11:22 pm : link
In comment 14231712 PetesHereNow said:
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All this other talent we need to add for Eli to be successful at this stage in his career is going to cost money - at least a good chunk of it will. We probably can’t create a bulletproof roster AND pay Eli $23M. A $23M QB SHOULD be able to make do with a less than perfect roster.

Unfortunately, Eli is a game manager at this point. He can still make some plays but he’s not a top tier QB any more - in fact, even during his “good” three quarters today he was missing opportunities for bigger plays (opportunities that I like to think he would make 5 years ago). And his skills will continue to gradually deteriorate with each year.



So a 23M QB should be able to do more with a less than perfect roster? Someone should inform Matthew Stafford and Matt Ryan. Neither of them are making the playoffs this year either.


Neither is Aaron and most likely Ben.
RE: RE: RE: Disagree with the above poster.  
.McL. : 12/23/2018 11:28 pm : link
In comment 14231666 FStubbs said:
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Brown stinks and needs to be upgraded.


Brown has clearly been an upgrade over Jerry and Omameh. Granted that's a low bar.

Before you run him off the team, I think he needs to be evaluated with NFL quality players on either side of him. Right now the players on either side of him don't belong on an NFL roster, let alone starting.



This.

The reasons you'd consider keeping Brown:

1) The line has resembled an actual NFL line since he entered the lineup. The line is still horrible, but it's not a line that a college team could destroy like the line was the first half of the season.
2) Giants need to upgrade center and RT in the worst way. The line also has no depth.
3) Brown will most likely be a cheap resign which offers value - at least for another year.

If a really good RG is available, sure, replace Brown, but I think it's strongly worth rolling the dice with him at RG next year.

THank You... My feelings precisely...
RE: RE: RE: Here's what need to be reconciled...  
.McL. : 12/23/2018 11:30 pm : link
In comment 14231675 PetesHereNow said:
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by the Sentimentalists:

Eli can't play consistently from week to week. He has these "once in a while" games and that distorts the entire landscape. This games was indoors and in a comfortable setting. There is nostalgia playing in Indy...

Book this - if we keep Eli for another season, these games will be even fewer and far between.

And then what?




You hit the nail on the head. If we run this thing back, we are going to be terrible again next season. No one seems to get that.



There's very little chance that next year is a 5 win season assuming we can fix the OL with a good center and RT, and get some pass rushers with a capable FS.

That's kind of a tall order for one off season, don't ya think?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Yeah  
.McL. : 12/23/2018 11:32 pm : link
In comment 14231693 christian said:
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If you upgrade the C and RT, That's terrific. Give Brown a chance in 2019 and then either drop him or let him be a backup.

True upgrades at C and RT will really make a difference.



What's a reasonable contract for Brown?



I'd guess about 1 year $2M. He's currently making about $900,000 and no one's beating down his door.



I think Brown will get a multi-year offer from someone. Especially considering the contract Omameh received. I won't be surprised if he gets more than Omameh got.

Agreed, my guess is 3 years for about 12 million. And that's is not a big contract for OL these days.
RE: He’s not worth $23M/year  
WillVAB : 12/23/2018 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14231691 TD said:
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All this other talent we need to add for Eli to be successful at this stage in his career is going to cost money - at least a good chunk of it will. We probably can’t create a bulletproof roster AND pay Eli $23M. A $23M QB SHOULD be able to make do with a less than perfect roster.

Unfortunately, Eli is a game manager at this point. He can still make some plays but he’s not a top tier QB any more - in fact, even during his “good” three quarters today he was missing opportunities for bigger plays (opportunities that I like to think he would make 5 years ago). And his skills will continue to gradually deteriorate with each year.


Vernon’s cap hit is 19.5 million next year. Where’s the faux outrage over his cap number?

The Giants don’t need Eli’s money for anything. If they do, cut Vernon.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Here's what need to be reconciled...  
PetesHereNow : 12/23/2018 11:37 pm : link
In comment 14231721 .McL. said:
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Eli can't play consistently from week to week. He has these "once in a while" games and that distorts the entire landscape. This games was indoors and in a comfortable setting. There is nostalgia playing in Indy...

Book this - if we keep Eli for another season, these games will be even fewer and far between.

And then what?




You hit the nail on the head. If we run this thing back, we are going to be terrible again next season. No one seems to get that.



There's very little chance that next year is a 5 win season assuming we can fix the OL with a good center and RT, and get some pass rushers with a capable FS.


That's kind of a tall order for one off season, don't ya think?


Not really when you consider the draft produced 4 capable players -- one superstar in Barkley, and what looks to be capable players in Hernandez, Hill, and Carter.

Then, you know there will be moves to clear space (Vernon and Jenkins).... possibly an Eli re-structure?
It's over  
Go Terps : 12/23/2018 11:37 pm : link
Even if he can still play it doesn't work with Shurmur. It was a bad marriage with him from the start just like with McAdoo.

The fucking guy is 38. It's over.
RE: Giants34...  
Giants34 : 12/23/2018 11:38 pm : link
In comment 14231679 bw in dc said:
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Here's the other piece - what's the ceiling on Eli at this point? Tops - maybe, maybe 9 games? If everything falls into place with some extra luck maybe 10?


We're lockstep in this. Next year he'll be 38 going on 39. Things don't get better from here, as you said earlier; they only get worse. We had one season - ONE - of PO football since the SB, and that was defense and ODB slants driven. The days are done where Eli can carry this team.

Darnold is transforming into a franchise QB before our eyes. We are going to have a front row seat to it for a long time. As good as Barkley is - and he may be the best RB ever - I fear we are going nowhere fast because we have no QB
so you should be able to be players in FA  
PetesHereNow : 12/23/2018 11:39 pm : link
hopefully we do better this time than guys like Omameh
imo  
Bill2 : 12/23/2018 11:41 pm : link
Other than the cap hit issue ( which I presume can be "negotiated") vs no known alternative...the Giants are not going anywhere next year (simply too many needs), Eli or the Unknown QB

I don't think Eli will hold them back overall (some games he will lose vs an as of now unknown alternative and some games he will very likely be better than any rookie available slots 4-12).

The problem with this transition is that we will have a rookie learning in 2020.

Which means BBI will be heavy with the unreasonable expectations until 2021.
OK answer me this:  
PetesHereNow : 12/23/2018 11:44 pm : link
Does Future Giants QB Not Named Eli have a better chance of success if they fix the clear issues that surround this team?

RE: RE: Giants34...  
bw in dc : 12/23/2018 11:49 pm : link
In comment 14231735 Giants34 said:
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Darnold is transforming into a franchise QB before our eyes. We are going to have a front row seat to it for a long time. As good as Barkley is - and he may be the best RB ever - I fear we are going nowhere fast because we have no QB


Since the debacle in Miami a month ago, Darnold has been outstanding.

That’s what you want - to see your new QB peaking late after hitting the wall.

The Jets job is going to be a good one.
The only stat line that matters is  
kdog77 : 12/23/2018 11:54 pm : link
Wins and Losses. I don’t know what games you are watching but Eli has had as many duds as he had decent games in past 2 years. That pick he threw at the end of the game was the same type of pick he threw in his prime. You can’t use 1 out of 16 games to judge a season. The Giants are not playing winning football.

Just like other positions this current roster the team needs to move on. They have great skill positions and some youth on D but this team is 2-3 years from being a winnng franchise. Eli has done all he can and we can’t expect perfect teams to make him better Call me a mouth breather if you want but I remember Simms, Hoss and Collins all getting us to SBs and I am here to tell you this feeling that you have regarding Eli will pass. There is an end to his story. But it may not be a fairy tale ending.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Here's what need to be reconciled...  
.McL. : 12/23/2018 11:56 pm : link
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by the Sentimentalists:

Eli can't play consistently from week to week. He has these "once in a while" games and that distorts the entire landscape. This games was indoors and in a comfortable setting. There is nostalgia playing in Indy...

Book this - if we keep Eli for another season, these games will be even fewer and far between.

And then what?




You hit the nail on the head. If we run this thing back, we are going to be terrible again next season. No one seems to get that.



There's very little chance that next year is a 5 win season assuming we can fix the OL with a good center and RT, and get some pass rushers with a capable FS.


That's kind of a tall order for one off season, don't ya think?



Not really when you consider the draft produced 4 capable players -- one superstar in Barkley, and what looks to be capable players in Hernandez, Hill, and Carter.

Then, you know there will be moves to clear space (Vernon and Jenkins).... possibly an Eli re-structure?

I appreciate your optimism... I hope you are right that they can find that many players in one off season. I have my doubts though...
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