but I dont agree with sticking to sports. Being a decent human being takes precedence over pretty much anything else. And racist and anti-gay rants would get my attention if he was spouting them now, no matter what uniform he was wearing.
but I dont agree with sticking to sports. Being a decent human being takes precedence over pretty much anything else. And racist and anti-gay rants would get my attention if he was spouting them now, no matter what uniform he was wearing.
Completely agree, but has there been an incident recently that I'm not aware of?
but I dont agree with sticking to sports. Being a decent human being takes precedence over pretty much anything else. And racist and anti-gay rants would get my attention if he was spouting them now, no matter what uniform he was wearing.
That's the point. He hasn't spotted them now or in the last 3 years (when he turned 21)
He's not the first highly talented kid to do and say stupid shit at age 16. Apparently that makes him a piece of shit for life though in baadbill's fucked up world of not rooting for free agents or anyone with different political views than him.
Of course, if he did or said something bigoted here, in his mid 20s now... but all means cut his ass. But for now I have no problem forgiving and giving him second chance, etc
I've not read any posts subsequent to my last post and this post is therefore obviously not in response to such posts.
I have been outspoken in my praise of DeAngelo's hockey play this year. That doesn't change the fact that he has been an outspoken racist/homophobe. The initial comment I made on this thread about his past was that "I found it hard to root for him".
Is he still a racist pig or has he learned to keep his voice shut with a potential multi-million dollar future on the line? He's the one who has chosen a career that makes him a public figure and, as such, as far as I am concerned it is his burden to persuade good people of conscience that he has changed and his past doesn't entitle him to any presumption that the hatred of minorities that defined him previously no longer remains in his heart.
He doesn't owe me shit. Nor do the Rangers or the NHL. But, as a fan, if DeAngelo doesn't want me periodically speaking my mind about who is he and what he stands for, then he can convince me he is a changed man.
How might he do that? Well, let's take a look at someone who did exactly that. Michael Vick. I love animals and I have grown own with a dog as a part of my family my entire life. I hated Michael Vick with a burning intensity that was hard to describe. But he did the one thing that he possibly could to change my mind: He came out of prison and publicly owned his past and put it out there for everyone to judge. He answered the tough questions (not to my satisfaction, but enough that I was willing to let my hatred go.
As an aside, Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice are two people who have not convinced me they have truly changed in their hearts and I remain convinced they would both repeat their past behaviors so long as they were convinced they would not be caught.
So, Tony DeAngelo was - and until he does something to persuade me otherwise, remains the ugly, vile human being he has always been. And until I am convinced he has changed in his heart, I will find it difficult to root for him.
RE: RE: Beat guys are saying Zucc and Fast are not at practice
keeps playing the way he is playing the past few games. Strong positional/tactical D, the ability to pass and carry the puck up the ice with relative ease and control the puck on his stick.
The kid is a an improving player.
RE: RE: RE: Beat guys are saying Zucc and Fast are not at practice
That is if DeAngelo can stay out of his own way. Despite all the talent, he fell to 19th overall in the 2014 NHL Draft. Then, despite posting tremendous numbers in the OHL, Tampa Bay traded him a year later for the 37th overall pick. Now his move to the Rangers is his third NHL team already. The not-so-secret concern about DeAngelo is his attitude.
A few incidents became widespread news because of severity and circumstance. DeAngelo was suspended in the OHL for abuse of an official in 2014, and then again this past season in the NHL for the same thing. Also in 2014, he was suspended for eight games for directing bigoted remarks towards his own teammate. There seems to be this spreading notion that DeAngelo is being smeared for a few teenage incidents in the heat of the moment; kids will be kids. These instances are tremendous red flags even when viewed in isolation. Even still, the problems with DeAngelo run way deeper than these three particular incidents.
There is plenty more that hasnt reached the mainstream. I spoke to a well-connected OHL employee, and he remarked that coaches across the league went through a daily struggle dealing with DeAngelo; the words gong show were used. The way it was described to me, DeAngelo is fine when things are going well. Hes highly competitive, and so when the team is winning, hes at his best. Otherwise, hes a ticking time bomb.
Furthermore, I spoke to multiple people with knowledge of DeAngelo back to his days in youth hockey in New Jersey. Nobody was willing to go on the record with specifics, but the message was uniform across the board.
Theres plenty out there for anyone with a brain to figure out the kind of guy he is, was one way one person put it to me.
As I said... not someone I find it easy to root for... especially since he hasn't stepped up to the plate and owned (disavowed)his past... until he does, he is nothing but someone who knows his racism may cost him potentially millions of dollars, so he keeps his mouth shut.
His non-existent NHL career thus far isn't because of lack of talent. I'd love to give him a second chance - but he hasn't given me anything... no signs of remorse or ownership of his past ... nothing... nada.
Bigotry is something that deserves being fought - very aggressively - wherever it is found ... and bigots do not "deserve" second chances, they have to earn them. DeAngelo has done exactly nothing to earn anything from the public.
but I always hope for them to beat the Bruins, especially in Boston. I almost bought tickets for this game, but in retrospect between the Rangers' terrible play and tonight's snowstorm it's probably best that the wife and I aren't trudging to TD Garden tonight. I'll be watching on NESN with the mute on to avoid their horrible announcers.
but I am still pretty amazed how this team has the grit to climb out of the dark hole they were in... I don't completely get how they seem to outplay their talent level... and doing it without Hayes
Huge factor tonight was the PK... and the KZZ line which has been on fire.
Already getting depressed there won't be Rangers hockey for 10 days... ugh
asslickers and sheep will excuse and defend any behavior as long as the idol wears their favorite clothes. You've stirred one of the sheep and the head asslicker on this thread. Anyone that excuses that kind of bigotry for any reason is someone to be leery of and question too.
asslickers and sheep will excuse and defend any behavior as long as the idol wears their favorite clothes. You've stirred one of the sheep and the head asslicker on this thread. Anyone that excuses that kind of bigotry for any reason is someone to be leery of and question too.
Agree. And the thing is, I love the Rangers ... I have all of my life ... and I enjoy discussing them ... and all I said is that DeAngelo is really coming on strong with his talent but that I struggle (inside of myself) with his history. Not exactly a strident or revolutionary comment. But it sure hit way too close to home for some people, which is just sad.
But Id really like to move on. I never intended it to get so personal for some.
With Feb 25th quickly approaching and the Rangers on a 3 game
winning streak, Id like to see the Rangers pull the trigger on some major trade sooner rather than later. This is especially true if the team ends up trading guys like Hayes, Kreider, Vesey, Fast, Namestikov, and Zucc as suggested by Bluesheet Banter.
If they move a significant portion of that group, then do it now and not after they accumulate more wins. Ill still enjoy watching the kids fight and scratch,but why hold onto guys if youve already determined they arent going to be here in 30 days (or in 3 years)?
Interesting article ... and I agree with their selections for their three categories ... DeAngelo, Kreider, and Zibanejad... I dont know what category Id create,and I didnt look at his stats, but Fast is having a great year and is having a huge impact on the team imo. Link - ( New Window )
Zucc out with a foot infection ... Hayes back ... and the fucking
and help themselves in the draft race... not a bad result... but Howden knee sprain has to be a concern... hopefully it really is only a sprain without any internal damage
asslickers and sheep will excuse and defend any behavior as long as the idol wears their favorite clothes. You've stirred one of the sheep and the head asslicker on this thread. Anyone that excuses that kind of bigotry for any reason is someone to be leery of and question too.
Asslicker? No, I just don't take teenager verbal comments too seriously. If he fucks up as an adult - i'll be the first to want him shipped out.
Tough loss - looked ok but almost 2 weeks off. Anyway, Rangers threads have become baadbill personal blogs much like mets are DMM/ZG debates so I think I'll focus elsewhere
There is was no clear play that Howden seemed to be favoring his knee.
Idiot. Watch the game please. Howden ran right into the butt of one of the Flyers against the boards. He immediately went off the ice and was seen by the trainer and it was immediately the subject of the in game discussion. How can you write an article and literally make shit up? Link - ( New Window )
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coaching the Blackhawks now? Geez what a mess that team has become. Wonder what Toews and Kane are thinking
Probably hoping to get moved at the deadline to a team baadbill doesn't root for, so they can enjoy a cup run.
And this is the team who traded away Panarin and then fired the coach.
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coaching the Blackhawks now? Geez what a mess that team has become. Wonder what Toews and Kane are thinking
Probably hoping to get moved at the deadline to a team baadbill doesn't root for, so they can enjoy a cup run.
And this is the team who traded away Panarin and then fired the coach.
Joel Q is without question the top coach on the market. No clue why they got rid of him.
Completely agree, but has there been an incident recently that I'm not aware of?
Someone please feel free to start a NY Rangers 2019 thread when they feel can and let this negative stuff stay here and go to the archives....
That's the point. He hasn't spotted them now or in the last 3 years (when he turned 21)
He's not the first highly talented kid to do and say stupid shit at age 16. Apparently that makes him a piece of shit for life though in baadbill's fucked up world of not rooting for free agents or anyone with different political views than him.
Of course, if he did or said something bigoted here, in his mid 20s now... but all means cut his ass. But for now I have no problem forgiving and giving him second chance, etc
Maybe we can start another generic Rangers thread, so we don't have to sift though all the BS?
I am trying not to be rude Figgy...
Maybe we can start another generic Rangers thread, so we don't have to sift though all the BS?
Generic seems too ... generic. Maybe one for homegrown Rangers and one for acquired. (Do we need to segment acquired into trades vs. FA signings)?
It can be tons of fun.
Trade? Or could be a possible rest day...
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Trade? Or could be a possible rest day...
Correct. One or the other
The vets do tend to take maintenance days. Staal is also not on the ice.
I have been outspoken in my praise of DeAngelo's hockey play this year. That doesn't change the fact that he has been an outspoken racist/homophobe. The initial comment I made on this thread about his past was that "I found it hard to root for him".
Is he still a racist pig or has he learned to keep his voice shut with a potential multi-million dollar future on the line? He's the one who has chosen a career that makes him a public figure and, as such, as far as I am concerned it is his burden to persuade good people of conscience that he has changed and his past doesn't entitle him to any presumption that the hatred of minorities that defined him previously no longer remains in his heart.
He doesn't owe me shit. Nor do the Rangers or the NHL. But, as a fan, if DeAngelo doesn't want me periodically speaking my mind about who is he and what he stands for, then he can convince me he is a changed man.
How might he do that? Well, let's take a look at someone who did exactly that. Michael Vick. I love animals and I have grown own with a dog as a part of my family my entire life. I hated Michael Vick with a burning intensity that was hard to describe. But he did the one thing that he possibly could to change my mind: He came out of prison and publicly owned his past and put it out there for everyone to judge. He answered the tough questions (not to my satisfaction, but enough that I was willing to let my hatred go.
As an aside, Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice are two people who have not convinced me they have truly changed in their hearts and I remain convinced they would both repeat their past behaviors so long as they were convinced they would not be caught.
So, Tony DeAngelo was - and until he does something to persuade me otherwise, remains the ugly, vile human being he has always been. And until I am convinced he has changed in his heart, I will find it difficult to root for him.
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Brian Heyman
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David Quinn says just maintenance days today for Zucc, Fast, Staal, will be playing tomorrow vs the #Bruins. #nyr #nhl
The kid is a an improving player.
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Trade? Or could be a possible rest day...
Brian Heyman
@bheyman99
David Quinn says just maintenance days today for Zucc, Fast, Staal, will be playing tomorrow vs the #Bruins. #nyr #nhl
Thanks Anak
Except Im also gonna be a few liters of Spottd Cow in so itll be boiled down to four letter words and superlatives
Except Im also gonna be a few liters of Spottd Cow in so itll be boiled down to four letter words and superlatives
A few incidents became widespread news because of severity and circumstance. DeAngelo was suspended in the OHL for abuse of an official in 2014, and then again this past season in the NHL for the same thing. Also in 2014, he was suspended for eight games for directing bigoted remarks towards his own teammate. There seems to be this spreading notion that DeAngelo is being smeared for a few teenage incidents in the heat of the moment; kids will be kids. These instances are tremendous red flags even when viewed in isolation. Even still, the problems with DeAngelo run way deeper than these three particular incidents.
There is plenty more that hasnt reached the mainstream. I spoke to a well-connected OHL employee, and he remarked that coaches across the league went through a daily struggle dealing with DeAngelo; the words gong show were used. The way it was described to me, DeAngelo is fine when things are going well. Hes highly competitive, and so when the team is winning, hes at his best. Otherwise, hes a ticking time bomb.
Furthermore, I spoke to multiple people with knowledge of DeAngelo back to his days in youth hockey in New Jersey. Nobody was willing to go on the record with specifics, but the message was uniform across the board.
Theres plenty out there for anyone with a brain to figure out the kind of guy he is, was one way one person put it to me.
As I said... not someone I find it easy to root for... especially since he hasn't stepped up to the plate and owned (disavowed)his past... until he does, he is nothing but someone who knows his racism may cost him potentially millions of dollars, so he keeps his mouth shut.
His non-existent NHL career thus far isn't because of lack of talent. I'd love to give him a second chance - but he hasn't given me anything... no signs of remorse or ownership of his past ... nothing... nada.
Bigotry is something that deserves being fought - very aggressively - wherever it is found ... and bigots do not "deserve" second chances, they have to earn them. DeAngelo has done exactly nothing to earn anything from the public.
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He was suspended for the bigoted remarks so he paid the price already.
TDA doesn't owe you anything. Feel however you like about him - I could give a fuck less what you think.
Horrendous call.
Nah... I just refuse to tolerate bigots, wherever they can be found... nor will I give an inch to people who support them.
Huge factor tonight was the PK... and the KZZ line which has been on fire.
Already getting depressed there won't be Rangers hockey for 10 days... ugh
Wow. I obviously struck a nerve and your defense of DeAngelo has become way too personal. Ill step back and meanwhile suggest you chill.
Agree. And the thing is, I love the Rangers ... I have all of my life ... and I enjoy discussing them ... and all I said is that DeAngelo is really coming on strong with his talent but that I struggle (inside of myself) with his history. Not exactly a strident or revolutionary comment. But it sure hit way too close to home for some people, which is just sad.
But Id really like to move on. I never intended it to get so personal for some.
If they move a significant portion of that group, then do it now and not after they accumulate more wins. Ill still enjoy watching the kids fight and scratch,but why hold onto guys if youve already determined they arent going to be here in 30 days (or in 3 years)?
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Asslicker? No, I just don't take teenager verbal comments too seriously. If he fucks up as an adult - i'll be the first to want him shipped out.
Tough loss - looked ok but almost 2 weeks off. Anyway, Rangers threads have become baadbill personal blogs much like mets are DMM/ZG debates so I think I'll focus elsewhere
There is was no clear play that Howden seemed to be favoring his knee.
Idiot. Watch the game please. Howden ran right into the butt of one of the Flyers against the boards. He immediately went off the ice and was seen by the trainer and it was immediately the subject of the in game discussion. How can you write an article and literally make shit up?
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