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ctc in ftmyers : 12/31/2018 9:03 pm
to drive down my driveway tonight to pick up my nephew and his girl friend for fear of getting shot.

Can't make this shit up.


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RE: Uber drivers  
fireitup77 : 1/1/2019 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14243066 pjcas18 said:
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can absolutely see the pick up location. I'm not an uber driver, but I've been in hundreds and watched drivers with the app open see the requesting location.

this again boils down to the fact, when people order an uber, a cab, a car to pick them up, whatever, they expect the ride to come up their driveway. It's completely reasonable to expect and if the driver felt like the location was a dangerous one where they preferred to stay on the street vs going up the driveway don't accept the ride. even if they only had the general vicinity and not the actual address. I find it hard to believe like Uconn suggested they didn't know the area at all, but arrived there and then got spooked.

At the same time it's also not a huge deal for ctc son and girlfriend or whoever it was to walk from the house down the driveway.

but I agree with you the driver probably found out the location and said F-this, I'm not wasting my time and made up the don't feel safe excuse.

so in this case, it sounds more like the driver screwed the passenger.

I've taken hundreds of ubers since I travel extensively for work and the allure isn't that it's cheaper because sometimes it's not and it's not faster than hailing a cab in many cities, I take ubers because the cars are cleaner and it's a more convenient transaction and it's a fixed fee - I know beforehand what it costs so for cities I don't know I don't have to worry if the guy is taking laps around central park (for example) - I don't even need to take my credit card out.

I have been treated far worse by Uber/ Uber drivers than I've ever treated them. I once ordered an Uber in Orlando and when I selected the Uber XL it said the driver was 6 min away, then about 60 seconds later it changed to 20 min away. I canceled it and selected a different one and I was charged a ride cancellation fee ($6?) and given negative feedback (the only negative feedback in hundreds of rides I've taken).

I always tip though - cash at first - but through the app once they added it - but I'd never even discuss a tip beforehand. I'd wait until the service is complete and make sure the driver gets me where I'm going as advertised and then I tip them. No idea why people (on either side of the transaction) would discuss tipping first.


Pj I'm sorry but you are just wrong. In the past Uber gave us the whole address. They no longer do. At least here in nj. I can't speak for other areas. All we get is what I posted above. And if I am luckily and have the app on my screen (not likely because gps is usually running) to see the map Uber likes to f with us by randomly flipping the map. Moving north to the bottom of the screen for example. The only exception is EWR. They give terminal and pick up location.

I think you are a nyc guy. I hear the drivers there are a bunch of asses. They 1 star almost everyone. And if you are going to tip it is best to tip cash. People who say I'll take care of you in the will always get 1 star because I kid you not, 99% don't. They think they are protecting their rating but they are doing the opposite. If you like to tip in the app it is appreciated, just do it. Don't tell the driver you are going to.

As to your situation in Orlando. That had to be an Uber app thing. When we get a ride the only options we have is navigate to the pickup and then start the ride or cancel. The driver cannot rate or give feedback on a rider if the ride is not completed. The ruder cannot rate a driver unless the the trip is completed too.
I don't do it  
fireitup77 : 1/1/2019 5:51 pm : link
But there are situations where it is beneficial to talk tip upfront. For an example as a nj driver I cannot pick up fares in NY. I get plenty of ride requests to JFK. Now a ride to JFK from my part of nj is going to net me about $35. Depending on time of day that could be a 4 hour trip. How many srivers do you think are going to take that? Now if the pax hops in and throws me say $50-75.....
pjcas  
UConn4523 : 1/1/2019 6:25 pm : link
I didnít suggest he didnít know the area at all. Iím not even taking the OP seriously, it mostly sounds like bullshit with missing information that would make everyone say ďyeah no shitĒ.

I was talking about you saying itís easy to just find out where the person lives and while thatís true, itís only true due to the app itself. Thereís no way to know what neighborhood you are walking (driving) into if you donít know the area. My street in a very safe Stanford CT had many Uber drivers worried because it was poorly lit, windy, with bumps, etc. itís just a fact that many of the drivers, especially at night, may not be familiar with the area and for that reason I can see why someone might get spooked.

But this is all fluff anyway. If you had some sort of very particular nuance to your property drop a quick note to the Uber driver stating what it is, ie a 600 foot driveway.
Fireitup  
Ron from Ninerland : 1/1/2019 8:02 pm : link
I have no idea where youíre getting your info. $3 / mile in NYC ? A medallion taxi today is $2.50. Uber never charged that unless it was for a black car or SUV.

Are you serious about negotiating a tip before the ride ? Youíd get deactivated for pulling that shit in California. BTW, I started drive it for Uber based on the experiences of a buddy of mine in Jersey. Although NY/NJ drivers face obstacles that California drivers donít he doesnít have the same tale of woe as what youíre saying.
I'm curious  
steve in ky : 1/1/2019 8:07 pm : link
Don't peoples auto insurance companies take issue with them using their personal vehicle as a taxi? Seems like they would substantially raise their rates.
RE: Fireitup  
fireitup77 : 1/2/2019 10:02 am : link
In comment 14243385 Ron from Ninerland said:
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I have no idea where youíre getting your info. $3 / mile in NYC ? A medallion taxi today is $2.50. Uber never charged that unless it was for a black car or SUV.

Are you serious about negotiating a tip before the ride ? Youíd get deactivated for pulling that shit in California. BTW, I started drive it for Uber based on the experiences of a buddy of mine in Jersey. Although NY/NJ drivers face obstacles that California drivers donít he doesnít have the same tale of woe as what youíre saying.


Did you read the news article I linked? Nj rates were exactly as I stated in 2014. Instead of just stating the rates were never that high how about providing some evidence that they were not? You will not because I am in fact correct.

Tale of woe? I'm sorry if my posts came across as such. Not my intention. I'm just trying to show a different perspective. A view from the other side if you will. The OP started the thread to make fun of the Uber driver giving little facts of what really happened. The funny thing was the same thing had just happened to me an hour earlier. I took the ride because it was right around 9 and i knew it would be the last surge ride i would get until after 12. If you think about things from a driver's perspective there are ligit reasons not to pull into someone's driveway. A friend of mine was temporarily deactivated because a pax claimed he hit his garage door. He didn't. Had dashcam proof. It took over two weeks for him to get reactivated. Two weeks he couldn't work because of some ass looking for free rides.

I get that most people think hey just pull in the driveway. What's the big deal. But after driving as much as i have you learn to protect yourself.
RE: I'm curious  
fireitup77 : 1/2/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14243393 steve in ky said:
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Don't peoples auto insurance companies take issue with them using their personal vehicle as a taxi? Seems like they would substantially raise their rates.


Some insurance companies offer rideshare addons. Some drivers wing it. As a pax you are covered by Uber.
Congratulations...  
Chris in Philly : 1/2/2019 11:32 am : link
on your gated compound...
I'm going to take this opportunity to save my fellow  
fireitup77 : 1/2/2019 1:28 pm : link
Giant fans some money when you use Uber. Arc mentioned earlier that he likes to know the cost of the ride before hand so he knows the driver will not drive in circles. Thing is with Ubers upfront pricing Uber is doing just that. Their algarithem figures out the longest route and prices the trip on that. It also takes into consideration the pricess you have accepted for similar rides in the past. It also looks at other data they have on you, like income level. Fact is two people taking the exact ride at the exact time will pay different fares. The rates they charge and the drivers compensation are no longer linked. The drivers no longer get 75 to 80 % of the fare. The driver is only getting from 40 to 60% of it.

Now how does this effect you the pax. Now that the pax will not be charged more if I take the long way it incentavises the driver to do just that. Its coming out of Ubers share.

So here is how you save money. If you change the destination the fare goes back to time plus milage. So if you are headed home put your neighbors address in first. Once the ride is started change it to your address. 95% of the time you will save money. Sometimes significantly.

If you are concerned about being long hauled just follow along on Google maps.
RE: RE: if you're so safe  
baadbill : 1/2/2019 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14242382 section125 said:
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#2 - ... Local police in rural Florida recommend firearms for personal safety ...


What is this world coming to? People are actually being told by police to buy guns in order to feel safe in their own homes? WTF is that all about?
RE: RE: RE: if you're so safe  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14244423 baadbill said:
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In comment 14242382 section125 said:


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#2 - ... Local police in rural Florida recommend firearms for personal safety ...



What is this world coming to? People are actually being told by police to buy guns in order to feel safe in their own homes? WTF is that all about?


Coming to? there are towns in the south that have had MANDATORY gun ownership laws for decades - some probably longer.

the laws have mostly not been enforced and were really more political/symbolic than safety oriented, but I'd save the histrionics.

Also not sure the validity of law enforcement recommending firearm ownership for safety, I'd need to read the details on that, but it's highly common for people especially in rural homes in every state to own firearms.
Is this "Clydez" 2019?  
Jalapeno : 1/2/2019 2:09 pm : link
Did your Uber driver pour beer on your girlfriend?

Was he just regular? No watch no jewlez nothing?
RE: RE: RE: RE: if you're so safe  
baadbill : 1/2/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14244453 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14244423 baadbill said:


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In comment 14242382 section125 said:


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#2 - ... Local police in rural Florida recommend firearms for personal safety ...



What is this world coming to? People are actually being told by police to buy guns in order to feel safe in their own homes? WTF is that all about?



Coming to? there are towns in the south that have had MANDATORY gun ownership laws for decades - some probably longer.

the laws have mostly not been enforced and were really more political/symbolic than safety oriented, but I'd save the histrionics.

Also not sure the validity of law enforcement recommending firearm ownership for safety, I'd need to read the details on that, but it's highly common for people especially in rural homes in every state to own firearms.


PJ, my post expressly states I am talking about law enforcement recommending citizens buy firearms for their own safety. I find that outrageous. How about instead lobbying the jurisdiction for more police officers if you (law enforcement) can't provide safety to your citizens at present levels? Give me a fucking break. It's just an outrageous statement for any law enforcement officer to make.
Bill  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 2:55 pm : link
in an effort to avoid the thread being deleted I'll only reply to say I would need to see the actual comments.

The only commentary I see about anyone in Florida recommending citizens arm themselves was in the wake of a mass shooting a few years ago and the Broward County sheriff was basically saying if you have a concealed carry permit, carry your firearm, it's not doing you any good in your gun safe. He came under fire (no pun intended) for his comments by some, but largely his message was well received.

I see nothing in various google searches about citizens being armed to feel safe in their homes.

but to your point, it's not feasible for police to cover rural areas to the point rural homeowners would not be better off with firearms in case of an incident, it takes far too long for law enforcement to respond in the case of an incident for them to be your first or only defense and it could be wild life just as easily as human incident as the reason for firearms.

RE: Bill  
baadbill : 1/2/2019 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14244629 pjcas18 said:
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in an effort to avoid the thread being deleted I'll only reply to say I would need to see the actual comments.

The only commentary I see about anyone in Florida recommending citizens arm themselves was in the wake of a mass shooting a few years ago and the Broward County sheriff was basically saying if you have a concealed carry permit, carry your firearm, it's not doing you any good in your gun safe. He came under fire (no pun intended) for his comments by some, but largely his message was well received.

I see nothing in various google searches about citizens being armed to feel safe in their homes.

but to your point, it's not feasible for police to cover rural areas to the point rural homeowners would not be better off with firearms in case of an incident, it takes far too long for law enforcement to respond in the case of an incident for them to be your first or only defense and it could be wild life just as easily as human incident as the reason for firearms.


PJ,

First, I am not the one who made the comment that the police recommended citizens arm themselves.

Secondly, I am not opining about the wisdom of gun ownership.

But I am vehemently opposed to law enforcement recommending its citizens arm themselves. If law enforcement can't keep people safe, then get new law enforcement. Certainly recommendations for the public to arm themselves aren't made because one person gets murdered in a home invasion every ten years. It would have to be a pretty damn high rate of crime - uncontrolled crime - before law enforcement would have a reason to be recommending arming the citizens - and if that was the case, then do your fucking job and get the uncontrolled crime under control.

Again, though, I was responding to someone else's comment about law enforcement recommending citizens arm themselves - and my comments are in response to that singular point.
Lol, I love all the tough guys here bragging that theyíd walk 600 feet  
Mike in Long Beach : 1/2/2019 3:17 pm : link
Is it a big deal? Obviously in the scheme of things no, but when I order an Uber I expect to be picked up at my door. Not two football fields away. Thatís not ďentitled.Ē Thatís getting what you pay for. Uber even has a cheaper service that asks you to walk 3-5 minutes to driver-convenient street corners. So unless thatís what the OP bought, he has a right to be annoyed.
I know Bill  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 3:24 pm : link
I replied to your comment to that comment. I am able to follow a conversation LOL.

I'll probably end with this post because we've strayed far from the OP topic and this tangent has a tendency to get people emotional....

Many law enforcement officials view the 2nd amendment as citizens being the 1st line of their own defense and the primary role of law enforcement is to protect and serve the general public, not be body guards.

and I'll take one slight step hopefully not over the rules of the site and say look just what happened in the Parkland case, a federal judge in Florida just ruled that the police in Parkland had no legal duty to protect the students.

Just a small excerpt from an article on the law suit and the Federal judge's decision:

ďNeither the Constitution, nor state law, impose a general duty upon police officers or other governmental officials to protect individual persons from harm ó even when they know the harm will occur,Ē said Darren L. Hutchinson, a professor and associate dean at the University of Florida School of Law. ďPolice can watch someone attack you, refuse to intervene and not violate the Constitution.Ē
Mike, it isnít though  
UConn4523 : 1/2/2019 3:26 pm : link
thatís the whole point. Does your address start at your front door or the end of your driveway?

That isnít being a tough guy thatís being realistic. If I wanted white glove door to door service Iíd call a limo service. With Uber my only expectation is that the car show up and take me safely to where Iím going. Thatís it. They are not required to come onto your property nor would I want them to. They have a feature to contact the driver, if you have a 600 foot driveway and need to be picked up at your door, contract your driver and ask. Itís really really easy.
RE: I know Bill  
baadbill : 1/2/2019 3:29 pm : link
In comment 14244692 pjcas18 said:
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I replied to your comment to that comment. I am able to follow a conversation LOL.

I'll probably end with this post because we've strayed far from the OP topic and this tangent has a tendency to get people emotional....

Many law enforcement officials view the 2nd amendment as citizens being the 1st line of their own defense and the primary role of law enforcement is to protect and serve the general public, not be body guards.

and I'll take one slight step hopefully not over the rules of the site and say look just what happened in the Parkland case, a federal judge in Florida just ruled that the police in Parkland had no legal duty to protect the students.

Just a small excerpt from an article on the law suit and the Federal judge's decision:

ďNeither the Constitution, nor state law, impose a general duty upon police officers or other governmental officials to protect individual persons from harm ó even when they know the harm will occur,Ē said Darren L. Hutchinson, a professor and associate dean at the University of Florida School of Law. ďPolice can watch someone attack you, refuse to intervene and not violate the Constitution.Ē


It would be an interesting discussion on the role of the police. I agree with you that we should, however, leave it be, at this site.
RE: I'm going to take this opportunity to save my fellow  
Ron from Ninerland : 1/2/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14244399 fireitup77 said:
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Giant fans some money when you use Uber. Arc mentioned earlier that he likes to know the cost of the ride before hand so he knows the driver will not drive in circles. Thing is with Ubers upfront pricing Uber is doing just that. Their algarithem figures out the longest route and prices the trip on that. It also takes into consideration the pricess you have accepted for similar rides in the past. It also looks at other data they have on you, like income level. Fact is two people taking the exact ride at the exact time will pay different fares. The rates they charge and the drivers compensation are no longer linked. The drivers no longer get 75 to 80 % of the fare. The driver is only getting from 40 to 60% of it.

Now how does this effect you the pax. Now that the pax will not be charged more if I take the long way it incentavises the driver to do just that. Its coming out of Ubers share.

So here is how you save money. If you change the destination the fare goes back to time plus milage. So if you are headed home put your neighbors address in first. Once the ride is started change it to your address. 95% of the time you will save money. Sometimes significantly.

If you are concerned about being long hauled just follow along on Google maps.
Again, I don't know where you're getting this. The driver gets only 40% ? Not unless Jersey is very different than California. If you drill down on every one of your Uber receipts in the app or on the web you can see what the rider paid and what you got. Each is broken down. The most I've ever seen Uber take is 30-35%. I only see that on long rides in which I encountered much less traffic than expected. For most Uber X rides in the bay area the take is about 20-25%. For most of my Uber Pool rides, especially if there was a single rider, Uber is LOSING money, i.e. I was paid more than than the rider paid.
RE: Mike, it isnít though  
Mike in Long Beach : 1/2/2019 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14244697 UConn4523 said:
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thatís the whole point. Does your address start at your front door or the end of your driveway?

That isnít being a tough guy thatís being realistic. If I wanted white glove door to door service Iíd call a limo service. With Uber my only expectation is that the car show up and take me safely to where Iím going. Thatís it. They are not required to come onto your property nor would I want them to. They have a feature to contact the driver, if you have a 600 foot driveway and need to be picked up at your door, contract your driver and ask. Itís really really easy.


If my driveway is 600 feet, Iíd expect him to pull up. Unfortunately I donít have this problem. :/
I don't blame the driver.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/2/2019 3:55 pm : link
But I would never use Uber personally. Something about getting into a complete strangers' car just turns me off.
A gated community?  
Jalapeno : 1/2/2019 3:55 pm : link
Did the funding for your walls pass the Senate?
RE: I don't blame the driver.  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 4:03 pm : link
In comment 14244747 Dave in Hoboken said:
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But I would never use Uber personally. Something about getting into a complete strangers' car just turns me off.


Do you take cabs? How well do you know the cab drivers?
RE: Mike, it isnít though  
schabadoo : 1/2/2019 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14244697 UConn4523 said:
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thatís the whole point. Does your address start at your front door or the end of your driveway?

That isnít being a tough guy thatís being realistic. If I wanted white glove door to door service Iíd call a limo service. With Uber my only expectation is that the car show up and take me safely to where Iím going. Thatís it. They are not required to come onto your property nor would I want them to. They have a feature to contact the driver, if you have a 600 foot driveway and need to be picked up at your door, contract your driver and ask. Itís really really easy.


That seems to be the rub: wanting limo service while ordering a discount taxi.

I personally wouldn't want to start driving around someone's private property. Wouldn't want to potential complications if anything happened.
Agreed  
UConn4523 : 1/2/2019 5:07 pm : link
my last company had a car service to do pickup/drop off for trips to the airport. It was nice and all but I didn't need it. $200 to go to LGA, would send you your drivers contact info the morning of, ask if you needed anything in particular, etc. That's when I expect excellent door to door service.

That same ride is $80 with an Uber. If its early morning I'll shoot the guy picking me up a note that there's big speed bumps on my block that other Uber drivers haven't seen. Its just common sense. So if I had an abnormally long drive way, it was gated, winding, etc. I'd let him know and let him make the call on what to do.

People like to bitch about things that they are too lazy to do despite having full control to execute upon. I've said it 5x now on the thread I think but a simple text would have negated everything in the OP - a text that is built into the app for that very reason.
Fireitup  
Ron from Ninerland : 1/2/2019 5:07 pm : link
I'm trying not to be overly critical in my responses to you, however my experiences with Uber as both a rider and driver have been far better than the press would lead one to believe. I have a friend in Northern Jersey who started driving when he was between jobs. He told me he was making $150 a day. I tried driving in California after I got "retired" by my company. I was able to make between $700 to $1000 / week working 5 or 6 days a week never more than 8 hours / day. I thought I was treated well by Uber. As I said they were actually losing money on my Pool rides. One time a passenger said I was in an accident, which I wasn't and that they had an allergic reaction to dog hair in my car. Uber backed me all the way. I also had a similar experience to Denzel Washington's character in Equallizer 2. Some asshole yuppie put his drunk girlfriend in my car and told me to take her home. Instead she started crying and saying she wanted be be with her friends. I had to drop her off a few blocks later in downtown San Jose. Unlike Denzel, I could not go back and kick the guy's ass, but I did call the Uber safety line and again they backed me.

I think I understand that driving for Uber in California is easier and more lucrative than NY/NJ. I can pickup and drop off anywhere in the state of California. The airports have a "First in First out" system. If I drop off at the airport I go to the head of the line for a pickup. Northern California has unreliable and increasingly unsafe public transportation which just feeds into Uber's business. Over 60% of my riders were female and a lot of my passengers were people just going to and from their restaurant and retail jobs. The tips were lousy but I got a lot of business. Aside from the occasional drunk or weed head I haven't had problems with passengers and in fact have had many positive encounters.

It bothers me to read comments on the various driver forums and read a bunch of malcontents who think the world owes them a living. A lot of what they post about Uber I know to be untrue. Thats why I'm skeptical about some of what you are saying. It seems to be based on what you read rather than what you experienced. The notion that Uber ever reimbursed $3 /mile for an NYC ride makes no sense. They couldn't have survived as a business had they done that. I suspect that if it happened at all, it was a short term promotion, boost or surge.
Uconn doing yeomans work on this thread  
fireitup77 : 1/2/2019 6:39 pm : link
He gets what uber is.

Ron....yep right there. I don't post my earnings on the interweb but you can see others at the linked site. Gotta love those unmatched pools. Did they change the surge in your market yet?
RE: Uconn doing yeomans work on this thread  
pjcas18 : 1/2/2019 6:55 pm : link
In comment 14244946 fireitup77 said:
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He gets what uber is.

Ron....yep right there. I don't post my earnings on the interweb but you can see others at the linked site. Gotta love those unmatched pools. Did they change the surge in your market yet?

As a driver your perspective is good for me to hear because it's the opposite of mine as a traveler/passenger.

I do not think Uber competes with limos and view it as competing with cabs.

I cannot imagine a cab driver not coming up my driveway.

And in many cases (my main reference is NYC, but also London, DC, Vegas, etc.) Uber is not cheaper than cabs.

so to me it's not a cheaper alternative to cabs it's a higher end alternative to cabs for the reasons I mentioned before (cleaner cars, no transaction, no hailing, see drivers ratings, etc.)

At this point we're talking past each other to an extent because I also felt like it was not a huge deal for ctc's son to walk to the end of the driveway, but in the end I think this is exactly what you nailed it as in your 4:40 PM post yesterday, the driver heard the destination and said F-this, I'm bailing on this 2 mile ride with a teenage passenger who isn't probably even going tip me and picking up someone else where I can make more money.

IMO it had zero to do with safety of the driver or liability issues of driving up 600 feet of pavement.

I have taken literally hundreds of cabs when I lived closer to Boston from my house to Logan and never once did the cab driver stay in the street for fear of driving on my 50 foot driveway or because he felt it was his obligation. I don't think anyone views uber as "less than a cab" in terms of service expectations. Maybe consumers are wrong on that since as a driver you have a different expectation. As does Uconn.

I can only share my anecdotal experiences, which is not insignificant.
RE: Fireitup  
fireitup77 : 1/2/2019 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14244836 Ron from Ninerland said:
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I'm trying not to be overly critical in my responses to you, however my experiences with Uber as both a rider and driver have been far better than the press would lead one to believe. I have a friend in Northern Jersey who started driving when he was between jobs. He told me he was making $150 a day. I tried driving in California after I got "retired" by my company. I was able to make between $700 to $1000 / week working 5 or 6 days a week never more than 8 hours / day. I thought I was treated well by Uber. As I said they were actually losing money on my Pool rides. One time a passenger said I was in an accident, which I wasn't and that they had an allergic reaction to dog hair in my car. Uber backed me all the way. I also had a similar experience to Denzel Washington's character in Equallizer 2. Some asshole yuppie put his drunk girlfriend in my car and told me to take her home. Instead she started crying and saying she wanted be be with her friends. I had to drop her off a few blocks later in downtown San Jose. Unlike Denzel, I could not go back and kick the guy's ass, but I did call the Uber safety line and again they backed me.

I think I understand that driving for Uber in California is easier and more lucrative than NY/NJ. I can pickup and drop off anywhere in the state of California. The airports have a "First in First out" system. If I drop off at the airport I go to the head of the line for a pickup. Northern California has unreliable and increasingly unsafe public transportation which just feeds into Uber's business. Over 60% of my riders were female and a lot of my passengers were people just going to and from their restaurant and retail jobs. The tips were lousy but I got a lot of business. Aside from the occasional drunk or weed head I haven't had problems with passengers and in fact have had many positive encounters.

It bothers me to read comments on the various driver forums and read a bunch of malcontents who think the world owes them a living. A lot of what they post about Uber I know to be untrue. Thats why I'm skeptical about some of what you are saying. It seems to be based on what you read rather than what you experienced. The notion that Uber ever reimbursed $3 /mile for an NYC ride makes no sense. They couldn't have survived as a business had they done that. I suspect that if it happened at all, it was a short term promotion, boost or surge.


Ron. I never said $3 per mile. It was $2.25. Most days in nj are like you describe. I actually do like driving. Same here, I can work all of nj. But cant work in PA, Ny, or most of conn. It becomes a problem when pax want to go out of state. It's a problem that uber can easily fix but refuses.

In addition to the ride I discussed earlier I have been deactivated for refusing a service animal (i did not). Being drunk (i was not). Being in an accident (I was not). Each time I was immediately blocked from the app and couldn't work until they investigated. I get that for the last 2 but why block me during the investigation of the service dog? Each time it cost me a couple days of work. All these things happened when i was new. I have learned to screen better.
RE: RE: Uconn doing yeomans work on this thread  
fireitup77 : 1/2/2019 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14244972 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14244946 fireitup77 said:


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He gets what uber is.

Ron....yep right there. I don't post my earnings on the interweb but you can see others at the linked site. Gotta love those unmatched pools. Did they change the surge in your market yet?


As a driver your perspective is good for me to hear because it's the opposite of mine as a traveler/passenger.

I do not think Uber competes with limos and view it as competing with cabs.

I cannot imagine a cab driver not coming up my driveway.

And in many cases (my main reference is NYC, but also London, DC, Vegas, etc.) Uber is not cheaper than cabs.

so to me it's not a cheaper alternative to cabs it's a higher end alternative to cabs for the reasons I mentioned before (cleaner cars, no transaction, no hailing, see drivers ratings, etc.)

At this point we're talking past each other to an extent because I also felt like it was not a huge deal for ctc's son to walk to the end of the driveway, but in the end I think this is exactly what you nailed it as in your 4:40 PM post yesterday, the driver heard the destination and said F-this, I'm bailing on this 2 mile ride with a teenage passenger who isn't probably even going tip me and picking up someone else where I can make more money.

IMO it had zero to do with safety of the driver or liability issues of driving up 600 feet of pavement.

I have taken literally hundreds of cabs when I lived closer to Boston from my house to Logan and never once did the cab driver stay in the street for fear of driving on my 50 foot driveway or because he felt it was his obligation. I don't think anyone views uber as "less than a cab" in terms of service expectations. Maybe consumers are wrong on that since as a driver you have a different expectation. As does Uconn.

I can only share my anecdotal experiences, which is not insignificant.


Good post. Again this applies in nj. Your post and point of view is exactly the point. In nj an uber is significantly cheaper than a cab. A couple of weeks ago I got a rebound at EWR. I get a guy going to NYC. Start talking to him and he tells me his sister flew in earlier and took a cab to the same location. Cab ride cost $130. His uber ride was around $40.

Now I pull into driveways and load bags but there are things I will not do or allow in my car. I'll list them below. All these thing are things people have wanted to do.

No you cannot drink alcohol in my car.

No you cannot smoke in my car.

No you can not smoke weed in my car.

HEY Stop giving a bj in my car.

No I will not go to Taco Bell drive thru unless there is a cash tip first. And you are not eating that shit in my car.

No you can not stuff 9 people into my car. Nobody can go in the trunk.

No I don't have an aux cord or bluetooth. Car was built in 2005 I don't think those things existed then.

I will not allow anyone to be abusive to me. One warning than you are getting kicked out. Only had to do this once.

No you are not getting back in my car after taking a shit in the middle of a parking lot.

No you are not bringing your child without a proper car seat.

No I'm not taking you to Buffalo NY from NJ.

No I'm not picking up your 14 year old daughter from swim practice. She was alone.

No I will not help you get up because you fell when smashed. I will laugh at you when you try and get up.

No I will not take your drunk girlfriend home alone.

I will not touch anyone for any reason.

And no I will not turn off my dashcam. It's there yours and my protection.



One of your rules reminds me  
UConn4523 : 1/2/2019 8:12 pm : link
that traveling with a kid is tough due to the car seat that no one wants to drag around. I didnít do it to test it out when I was in Florida a few weeks back, but how many cars actually have kids seats for the extra $10 fee. Is it like 1 car out of 20?
RE: One of your rules reminds me  
fireitup77 : 1/2/2019 8:36 pm : link
In comment 14245077 UConn4523 said:
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that traveling with a kid is tough due to the car seat that no one wants to drag around. I didnít do it to test it out when I was in Florida a few weeks back, but how many cars actually have kids seats for the extra $10 fee. Is it like 1 car out of 20?


Don't think it is available in nj.
I just need Uber to get me home from the bar  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/2/2019 9:05 pm : link
when I'm drunk & they're batting 1000% thus far so no complaints.
I forgot the best one  
fireitup77 : 1/2/2019 9:15 pm : link
No I will not drive your 12 year old child to the ER while he is bleeding from his head. I will call 911 for you. And I will wait until they get here.
RE: I just need Uber to get me home from the bar  
fireitup77 : 1/2/2019 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14245210 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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when I'm drunk & they're batting 1000% thus far so no complaints.


Great! Question is after tipping the bartender that opened your beer for you did you tip the driver who got you home safely? 93% of my customers do not....
93% of your Uber customers don't tip you?  
JohnG in Albany : 1/2/2019 9:34 pm : link
Holy smokes, that's criminal.
RE: I forgot the best one  
Les in TO : 1/2/2019 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14245236 fireitup77 said:
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No I will not drive your 12 year old child to the ER while he is bleeding from his head. I will call 911 for you. And I will wait until they get here.
thatís messed up on many levels.

Re tipping, I think most people use Uber because originally the app was not tip enabled and perceived as cheaper than cabs, so it will take a while to change behaviour.
RE: RE: I forgot the best one  
fireitup77 : 1/3/2019 12:03 am : link
In comment 14245266 Les in TO said:
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In comment 14245236 fireitup77 said:


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No I will not drive your 12 year old child to the ER while he is bleeding from his head. I will call 911 for you. And I will wait until they get here.

thatís messed up on many levels.

Re tipping, I think most people use Uber because originally the app was not tip enabled and perceived as cheaper than cabs, so it will take a while to change behaviour.


You are correct sir. Its one of the reasons i decided to get involved in this thread. To let people know how it really is. Uber drivers provide the same service as cabs at a lower cost with a better car. The financial transaction happens seamlessly yet people tip cab drivers but not uber drivers.

Uber used to advertise that the tip was included. It never was. They were sued over it and lost. Many people still believe that the tip is included.

Bottom line with uber....you are getting better service at a lower cost. Take care of the driver.....
The tipping or not tipping  
pjcas18 : 1/3/2019 7:49 am : link
is really Ubers fault. not the passengers IMO.

It's still a little bit "clunky" to tip your driver through the app. You finish your ride and then get a notification, if you have the app open, to then tip your driver, so sometimes you could be walking to your destination before you have a chance to tip the driver (if you don't give a cash tip).

and I don't remember them advertising it as the tip is included when I started to use them - that wasn't the message to consumers, I remember it as simply as you don't tip their drivers - it's one flat fee - simple transaction. Maybe I'm mis-remembering, it's been a while.

and many people I travel with don't tip cab drivers.

I do and I tip Uber drivers and I did before the app even allowed it, but some places and by some people it's not always done. especially outside the US - where most people think Americans are crazy how they tip everyone - but obviously that's not what we're talking about here.
RE: The tipping or not tipping  
fireitup77 : 1/3/2019 1:28 pm : link
In comment 14245490 pjcas18 said:
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is really Ubers fault. not the passengers IMO.

It's still a little bit "clunky" to tip your driver through the app. You finish your ride and then get a notification, if you have the app open, to then tip your driver, so sometimes you could be walking to your destination before you have a chance to tip the driver (if you don't give a cash tip).

and I don't remember them advertising it as the tip is included when I started to use them - that wasn't the message to consumers, I remember it as simply as you don't tip their drivers - it's one flat fee - simple transaction. Maybe I'm mis-remembering, it's been a while.

and many people I travel with don't tip cab drivers.

I do and I tip Uber drivers and I did before the app even allowed it, but some places and by some people it's not always done. especially outside the US - where most people think Americans are crazy how they tip everyone - but obviously that's not what we're talking about here.


I absolutely agree. Travis K the founder didn't believe in tipping. So he created this culture of no need to tip. Originally it was tip is included but as I said earlier he lost in court on that one because it never was.

I don't blame the pax. It is all on Uber.

Pj us drivers really appreciate the tips. In app or cash. But I want to let you know you are probably getting ripped off by Uber on your fares. Uber keeps track of who tip and raises their fares so they can get their hands on that money.
Haha, is that for real?  
UConn4523 : 1/3/2019 2:01 pm : link
thatís really fucked up.
RE: RE: The tipping or not tipping  
pjcas18 : 1/3/2019 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14246071 fireitup77 said:
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In comment 14245490 pjcas18 said:


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is really Ubers fault. not the passengers IMO.

It's still a little bit "clunky" to tip your driver through the app. You finish your ride and then get a notification, if you have the app open, to then tip your driver, so sometimes you could be walking to your destination before you have a chance to tip the driver (if you don't give a cash tip).

and I don't remember them advertising it as the tip is included when I started to use them - that wasn't the message to consumers, I remember it as simply as you don't tip their drivers - it's one flat fee - simple transaction. Maybe I'm mis-remembering, it's been a while.

and many people I travel with don't tip cab drivers.

I do and I tip Uber drivers and I did before the app even allowed it, but some places and by some people it's not always done. especially outside the US - where most people think Americans are crazy how they tip everyone - but obviously that's not what we're talking about here.



I absolutely agree. Travis K the founder didn't believe in tipping. So he created this culture of no need to tip. Originally it was tip is included but as I said earlier he lost in court on that one because it never was.

I don't blame the pax. It is all on Uber.

Pj us drivers really appreciate the tips. In app or cash. But I want to let you know you are probably getting ripped off by Uber on your fares. Uber keeps track of who tip and raises their fares so they can get their hands on that money.


If this is true, this is good information and also probably in some way illegal. I'm never tipping through the app again.
RE: RE: RE: The tipping or not tipping  
Matt M. : 1/3/2019 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14246137 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14246071 fireitup77 said:


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In comment 14245490 pjcas18 said:


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is really Ubers fault. not the passengers IMO.

It's still a little bit "clunky" to tip your driver through the app. You finish your ride and then get a notification, if you have the app open, to then tip your driver, so sometimes you could be walking to your destination before you have a chance to tip the driver (if you don't give a cash tip).

and I don't remember them advertising it as the tip is included when I started to use them - that wasn't the message to consumers, I remember it as simply as you don't tip their drivers - it's one flat fee - simple transaction. Maybe I'm mis-remembering, it's been a while.

and many people I travel with don't tip cab drivers.

I do and I tip Uber drivers and I did before the app even allowed it, but some places and by some people it's not always done. especially outside the US - where most people think Americans are crazy how they tip everyone - but obviously that's not what we're talking about here.



I absolutely agree. Travis K the founder didn't believe in tipping. So he created this culture of no need to tip. Originally it was tip is included but as I said earlier he lost in court on that one because it never was.

I don't blame the pax. It is all on Uber.

Pj us drivers really appreciate the tips. In app or cash. But I want to let you know you are probably getting ripped off by Uber on your fares. Uber keeps track of who tip and raises their fares so they can get their hands on that money.



If this is true, this is good information and also probably in some way illegal. I'm never tipping through the app again.
Same here. I wouldn't put it past them, as they have shown to be a fairly shady operation. But, you can't prove this.

I find myself using LYFT more than Uber right now. And, Uber has turned out to be significantly more expensive than car service when I've compared things like airport trips in NYC. I'm not sure about the comparison to yellow/green cabs.
The cab  
pjcas18 : 1/3/2019 3:03 pm : link
line at LaGuardia can be 200 people deep at 10pm on a random weeknight. It moves fairly quickly, but you're still looking at 30 - 40 minutes sometimes before you even get in a cab and I'm usually then headed to Manhattan depending on traffic for another 30 minutes - or worse if traffic issues.

I'll pay surge pricing on Uber or higher prices on Lyft to take them over a cab any day.
RE: The cab  
Matt M. : 1/3/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14246233 pjcas18 said:
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line at LaGuardia can be 200 people deep at 10pm on a random weeknight. It moves fairly quickly, but you're still looking at 30 - 40 minutes sometimes before you even get in a cab and I'm usually then headed to Manhattan depending on traffic for another 30 minutes - or worse if traffic issues.

I'll pay surge pricing on Uber or higher prices on Lyft to take them over a cab any day.
I pre-book with a car service from my neighborhood before traveling. They meet me outside departures and it is a fraction of what Uber charges, especially with surge pricing.
RE: RE: The cab  
pjcas18 : 1/3/2019 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14246261 Matt M. said:
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In comment 14246233 pjcas18 said:


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line at LaGuardia can be 200 people deep at 10pm on a random weeknight. It moves fairly quickly, but you're still looking at 30 - 40 minutes sometimes before you even get in a cab and I'm usually then headed to Manhattan depending on traffic for another 30 minutes - or worse if traffic issues.

I'll pay surge pricing on Uber or higher prices on Lyft to take them over a cab any day.

I pre-book with a car service from my neighborhood before traveling. They meet me outside departures and it is a fraction of what Uber charges, especially with surge pricing.


I'm primarily a business traveler, so when I have a choice convenience usually wins if the costs are up to me.

With tip a cab is typically $50 from LaGuardia to Times Square (just as a guide). I've paid as much as $75 in heavy traffic.

Uber XL costs me $55 plus tip in non-surcharge pricing (so maybe $10-$15 more) and no or very little wait and unexpected traffic doesn't change my price. Uber pool would be less, but I don't like riding with strangers.

car service is one thing and as this thread has discussed that's not mainly who Uber competes with. cabs, it does.

RE: RE: RE: The cab  
Matt M. : 1/3/2019 3:31 pm : link
In comment 14246276 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14246261 Matt M. said:


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In comment 14246233 pjcas18 said:


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line at LaGuardia can be 200 people deep at 10pm on a random weeknight. It moves fairly quickly, but you're still looking at 30 - 40 minutes sometimes before you even get in a cab and I'm usually then headed to Manhattan depending on traffic for another 30 minutes - or worse if traffic issues.

I'll pay surge pricing on Uber or higher prices on Lyft to take them over a cab any day.

I pre-book with a car service from my neighborhood before traveling. They meet me outside departures and it is a fraction of what Uber charges, especially with surge pricing.



I'm primarily a business traveler, so when I have a choice convenience usually wins if the costs are up to me.

With tip a cab is typically $50 from LaGuardia to Times Square (just as a guide). I've paid as much as $75 in heavy traffic.

Uber XL costs me $55 plus tip in non-surcharge pricing (so maybe $10-$15 more) and no or very little wait and unexpected traffic doesn't change my price. Uber pool would be less, but I don't like riding with strangers.

car service is one thing and as this thread has discussed that's not mainly who Uber competes with. cabs, it does.
That's fair enough. But, for airport rides, I've found Uber to be more expensive than cabs also. But, that is also going to Brooklyn, as opposed to Manhattan where there is supposed to be a flat fare on cabs from the airport.
Any of you nyc guys  
fireitup77 : 1/4/2019 7:08 am : link
Ever use Juno? I got an email that they are coming to nj. Any info is appreciated.
RE: Any of you nyc guys  
baadbill : 1/4/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14246825 fireitup77 said:
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Ever use Juno? I got an email that they are coming to nj. Any info is appreciated.


I recall receiving promotional Juno CDs in the mail in the 1990s ... similar to the AOL CDs that came every couple of weeks ... they were referred to as "coasters" because there were so many of them
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