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Not exactly Debbie Does Dallas, but Drew Does Drew (Lock)...

Milton : 1/1/2019 8:22 am
Boylhart's first profile of the year and I couldn't've picked a more anticipated prospect...
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Just when you think Drew is the next coming of Peyton Manning with a stronger arm I suggest that you turn on the film. Turn on film from any year he has played and you will see an extremely talented thrower who struggles almost every time he is put under pressure. If Drew is selected by a team that believes in a strong running game then he can be successful. He has as much potential to impact at the next level as Mathew Stafford. With a good running game and a coach who is a good play caller he can be as successful as Joe Flacco (and he won a Super Bowl). Until Drew finds his leadership skills and learns to play better against the rush he will struggle to win consistently.

Drew Lock--full profile - ( New Window )
Wow  
Saos1n : 1/1/2019 8:23 am : link
Heís fucked
Yikes.  
FStubbs : 1/1/2019 8:31 am : link
Welcome to the 4th round, Drew Lock.
We keep hearing this is a weak QB class. Yet we hope that  
Blue21 : 1/1/2019 8:54 am : link
one of them coming out is the exception and the Giants draft him. One thing that continually crosses my mind when a QB is mentioned is is he better than Lauletta. Now I certainly don't know. And I know many on here call him noodle arm and are down on him because of his arrest and read into the fact he didn't play that Shurmur mustn't like him. And he played terrible in the 1 Qtr he did. But Boylhart had pretty good things to say about him prior to the draft and after the draft as I recall. Even called him a potential Pro Bowler. Now I certainly don't know. Time will tell but Giants can't afford to pick a QB with an early pick if they don't feel he's at least got potential to start or be at least as good as Lauletta.
Stafford is my comparison  
Sy'56 : 1/1/2019 9:07 am : link
If he cleans up his mechanics. And that is a huge if.

I don't think he will wind up with a better grade that round 3 on my sheet.
RE: Stafford is my comparison  
Anakim : 1/1/2019 9:08 am : link
In comment 14242441 Sy'56 said:
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If he cleans up his mechanics. And that is a huge if.

I don't think he will wind up with a better grade that round 3 on my sheet.


Lock reminds me of Derek Carr
Cutler is my comparison  
dep026 : 1/1/2019 9:08 am : link
Talent and attitude and all.
RE: Cutler is my comparison  
Milton : 1/1/2019 9:25 am : link
In comment 14242443 dep026 said:
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Talent and attitude and all.
I don't get the comparison to Jay Cutler, but out of curiosity, I checked to see Boylhart's old profile on him...
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Now before everyone that knows Jay personally goes crazy, Iím not saying that Jay canít be a successful NFL QB. I am suggesting that Jay allows the poor play of his teammates and play calling to affect him emotionally on the field and he shows it during a game. If he shows it in a college game, just imagine what will happen to him in a pro game. The fans and players and all the press will never let up on him. Jay reminds me of a QB that played for the Buffalo Bills by the name of Joe Ferguson. Joe would come off the field after he threw an interception in a game and you would think from his body language that he just found out the girl he was dating was really his long lost sister! He had excellent athletic talent, but mentally, could not accept his mistakes or his teammatesí mistakes or overcome them. If a team that has a very strong running game drafts Jay, then he could be a good QB. However, this is not a kid that should be expected to perform in a WCO system.

Jay Cutler profile (from 2006) - ( New Window )
Cutler  
ZogZerg : 1/1/2019 9:28 am : link
Kiss of death for a young QB to be compared to...
Boylhart on Stafford...  
Milton : 1/1/2019 9:31 am : link
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I know, and you all know, that Matt will be drafted in the top ten and maybe even the first pick of this draft. I would not give the kid top ten money. We all know that most QB's are drafted way too early in a draft, but if you want one, you have draft them early. Matt, in my opinion, should be drafted in the latter part of the first round or the beginning of the second round, but that will not happen. Maybe Matt is an exception to the Junior QB history, but for me, as a businessman, top ten money is way too much to take that chance. Matt has very good talent and showed me a lot the way he played in the second half of his bowl game, but Matt also has a hell of a team around him and a RB to take the mental pressure off him in the important parts of a game. When you can turn around and hand the ball off to a player like Knowshon or throw the ball to Mohamed, that makes the game a lot easier and also makes the opponent's defense key on someone else instead of the QB. The history of junior QB's is just too much for me to ignore and there is always another developmental QB in a draft that will be just as good given the time. Sorry Matt, but in my opinion, you are coming out too early. Not a top ten pick, but yes, a 1st rounder.

Stafford profile (from 2009) - ( New Window )
Very fair assessment  
Sammo85 : 1/1/2019 9:43 am : link
The physical tools are there. I think he needs some better coaching to impress and force some changes to how he mentally processes situational football and his body mechanics.


Didnít a lot of people compare Mahomes to Stafford?  
twostepgiants : 1/1/2019 9:48 am : link
And who made Drew Boylhardt the end all be all of QB assessments?
RE: Stafford is my comparison  
since1925 : 1/1/2019 9:51 am : link
In comment 14242441 Sy'56 said:
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If he cleans up his mechanics. And that is a huge if.

I don't think he will wind up with a better grade that round 3 on my sheet.




After you gave Byron Jones a 4th round grade, the sheet is suspect.
RE: RE: Stafford is my comparison  
dep026 : 1/1/2019 9:52 am : link
In comment 14242483 since1925 said:
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In comment 14242441 Sy'56 said:


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If he cleans up his mechanics. And that is a huge if.

I don't think he will wind up with a better grade that round 3 on my sheet.





After you gave Byron Jones a 4th round grade, the sheet is suspect.


Wow... arenít you an asshole?
Not sure how the comparison can be Stafford  
RDJR : 1/1/2019 9:52 am : link
but heís no better than a 3rd rounder?
RE: Didnít a lot of people compare Mahomes to Stafford?  
Milton : 1/1/2019 9:55 am : link
In comment 14242482 twostepgiants said:
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And who made Drew Boylhardt the end all be all of QB assessments?
Frances McDormand did!
You can see any old Huddle Report thumbnail sketch  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/1/2019 11:43 am : link
of prior years' prospects by searching Huddle Report Archives. If you read his description of Sam Darnold you'll think Gettelman screwed the pooch taking Barkley over Darnold, and he may have...

Anyway the last two mocks I've seen, one by Matt Miller and one by someone at CBS predict the Giants will take Haskins, the first QB off the board. Lock goes shortly afterwards in both.

Milton, wanna give us Drew's take on Haskins?
Doesn't mention his mobility  
jeff57 : 1/1/2019 11:50 am : link
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thoughts on Haskins?  
Dr. D : 1/1/2019 2:18 pm : link
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RE: You can see any old Huddle Report thumbnail sketch  
Milton : 1/1/2019 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14242668 BlueLou'sBack said:
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of prior years' prospects by searching Huddle Report Archives. If you read his description of Sam Darnold you'll think Gettelman screwed the pooch taking Barkley over Darnold, and he may have...

Anyway the last two mocks I've seen, one by Matt Miller and one by someone at CBS predict the Giants will take Haskins, the first QB off the board. Lock goes shortly afterwards in both.

Milton, wanna give us Drew's take on Haskins?
The one on Lock was his first profile of the year. He releases them in drips and drabs. You can find them in the "talent board" section of TheHuddleReport.com.
Milton gets credit for effort  
Dr. D : 1/1/2019 2:38 pm : link
working DebbieDD into the OP
Boylhart doesnít have a great reputation I thought.  
Strahan91 : 1/1/2019 2:41 pm : link
Is that accurate or am I thinking of someone else?
RE: Boylhart doesnít have a great reputation I thought.  
Milton : 1/1/2019 2:54 pm : link
In comment 14242900 Strahan91 said:
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Is that accurate or am I thinking of someone else?
His reputation is as good as anyone else's, he has his hits and his misses. What you get from him is that it is all based on watching film and not from what he is hearing. He goes his own way a lot and sometimes he's right, sometimes he's wrong, sometimes he hits it out of the park.

Click on the link below and scroll through the archives and make your own judgment. He certainly isn't the "be all and end all" (despite what Ms. McDermond says), but he is one of several good resources during the draft season if you're looking for opinions on prospects.
The Huddle Report Archives - ( New Window )
Milton, what I have often found odd about DB's player profiles  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/1/2019 3:05 pm : link
is that he gives a fair amount of psychological analysis simply from game tape. He doesn't have contacts among the college staffs nor it seems NFL FOs.

It makes his stuff sorta odd.
Lock has the arm of Cutler and the demeanor of Eli  
SHO'NUFF : 1/1/2019 3:05 pm : link
Both he and Haskins have trouble with pressure... Haskins moreso.
Nobody bats 100 especially draft pundits  
RomanWH : 1/1/2019 3:15 pm : link
However, here's a good example of one he nailed:

Ereck Flowers OT Miami


TALENT BOARD ROUND 4

STRENGTHS
Ereck is big, long arm, long-legged offensive lineman. He has all the physical attributes you look for in an offensive tackle for the next level. He has quick feet to go along with those long arms and legs and that will serve him well at the next level. Ereck has played on both sides of the offensive line and although he has done a solid job on the left side at the college level, he might be more suited to playing on the right side at the NFL level.

CONCERNS
Right now, Ereck does not show the mental strength or the physical stamina to play a full game much less a 16 game schedule. He lacks the upper body strength to keep pass rushers off his body when pass blocking and when run blocking, he doesnít get the push needed to move a flower pot -- much less an NFL defensive lineman. His techniques are very poor and his physical stamina to play a full game without fading in the fourth quarter and committing penalties will be a big problem at the next level. Ereck is in for a big shock at the next level, but given time and a better work ethic, Ereck could become a standout offensive lineman.

BOTTOM LINE
There is something that some players coming out in the draft never get and it is the main reason why players with the physical talent donít succeed at the NFL level. The NFL is a 24/7, 365 job if you want to be successful. If youíre not working with your teammates and coaches on plays, techniques, timing, etc, then you have to work on your body. You might be able to take a month off after the season, but after that, you better get back to working 24/7 or you will be left behind and your body will not do what your mind thinks it can do. I donít believe Ereck has that work ethic with what I see in his play on the field. He hasnít worked on his body and that alone is his biggest problem. His techniques are poor and while he has those quick feet that get him into the correct position to block, he has no technique to follow through and finish. He gets tired and when he gets tired, he gets mad and commits a bunch of penalties. His favorite pass blocking techniques when he gets tired is to take both his hands and clamp down on the outside shoulders of his opponent and hold him so that a pass rush move cannot be used against him. Ladies and gentlemen, thatís called holding at the NFL level. Ereck will be overlooked because of his size and athletic talent, but for me, I donít think he plays with enough pride to be a left tackle and Iím not sure how much he will play without getting injured for his first contract. Maybe Ereck, with a little help from a cattle prod, will become better than I have suggested but right now, I think there are other offensive linemen who will be better and I would let some other team ďcoach him upĒ first!

Drew Boylhart
FEB/2015

For more good reads, I recommend his write ups on Davis Webb, Eli Apple, and for fun, Jared Lorenzen. Notable miss that I've read so far... Ryan Nassib.
Lock...  
bw in dc : 1/1/2019 3:25 pm : link
has played outstanding football the last month of the regular season and then their bowl game.

I think heís peaked at the right time as a prospect.



I Cannot  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 1/1/2019 5:35 pm : link
imagine that DG would draft Dwayne Haskins in the first round. A RS sophomore who is an incredibly stiff athlete and can really only throw 12 yard curls, swings to the backs and bubble screens.
RE: I Cannot  
lax counsel : 1/1/2019 9:19 pm : link
In comment 14243137 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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imagine that DG would draft Dwayne Haskins in the first round. A RS sophomore who is an incredibly stiff athlete and can really only throw 12 yard curls, swings to the backs and bubble screens.


Agreed. I do not see Haskins as a DG guy, but could be wrong. Just not enough experience and too hard to project out on him given the system and taken around him.

Lock on the other hand may be exactly a Giant guy, tons of experience and elevated mediocre talent around him. I think Lock rises very quickly after the combine, very similar to Mahomes. I was extremely impressed with Locks ability yesterday, and not just the physical. One knock I heard on him was leadership, well he could have bailed on his team in a meaningless game, a la Grier, but he played and put the final play of the game on himself, injury risk and all. I donít know how you could ask more of your quarterback than that. That is leadership and well done to that young man.

He may have issues with pressure, but so does nearly every qb coming out of college. I for one would not be unhappy if the Giants selected him as the successor to Eli.
RE: RE: Stafford is my comparison  
Peppers : 1/2/2019 6:16 am : link
In comment 14242442 Anakim said:
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In comment 14242441 Sy'56 said:


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If he cleans up his mechanics. And that is a huge if.

I don't think he will wind up with a better grade that round 3 on my sheet.



Lock reminds me of Derek Carr


Carr comparison is spot on.
Boylhart goes against the grain and yes, he's very hit or miss  
Anakim : 1/2/2019 10:11 am : link
But he did absolutely nail the Jarran Reed pick. I had never seen someone as high on Jarran Reed as Boylhart was (people had pegged Reed as a premier run-stuffer, but that was about it) and Reed ended up with a totally unexpected 10.5 sacks this year.
RE: RE: Boylhart doesnít have a great reputation I thought.  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/2/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14242910 Milton said:
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Is that accurate or am I thinking of someone else?

His reputation is as good as anyone else's, he has his hits and his misses. What you get from him is that it is all based on watching film and not from what he is hearing. He goes his own way a lot and sometimes he's right, sometimes he's wrong, sometimes he hits it out of the park.

Click on the link below and scroll through the archives and make your own judgment. He certainly isn't the "be all and end all" (despite what Ms. McDermond says), but he is one of several good resources during the draft season if you're looking for opinions on prospects. The Huddle Report Archives - ( New Window )

This post sums up Boylhart well. Basically, he's a hack that issues 50-60 first round grades every year, but Milton treats his reports like gospel (to the extent that you'd think THR is the only draft source that Milton believes in or maybe believes even exists), so he continues to get brought up here.
OP's link no longer works...  
Mike in St. Louis : 1/2/2019 1:01 pm : link
did Boylhart rethink his opinions after reading BBI?
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