Going to move him, this is the time. He is 30, will be turning 31 next year but still young enough to get a huge return on him. He makes a fortune and Juju is has now emerged as one of the best WRs in football.
There always seem to be a problem in Pittsburgh every year. Something or someone. Every year something different. Tomlin is talked about all the time as this great manager of men that everyone wants to play for, but what's the evidence for this? Because it seems like the complete opposite of that.
Money, which he will not do. So he is a $20 Million Cap Hit for Pittsburgh. If NFL/NFLPA were smart they would allow teams to trade cap space so the Browns for instance have $80 million in cap space could trade $20 million in Cap space to Pitt.
for optimum cap savings. Dealing him before incurs a $21M dead cap hit.
Further explanation, below. AB's Cap Consequences - ( New Window )
The can assign him as a post June 1st player but they won't see the savings until June second. Can that work with trades?
No. In the event of a release, a player can be released at any time and be designated as a post-June 1st cut for cap savings. In the event of a trade, a player actually has to be traded after 6/1.
In the case of a trading partner, they would still have AB for the bulk of the off-season workouts and training camp so it shouldn't be a problem. But the Steelers aren't going to eat $21M just to appease AB.
They have 3 1's this year, 2 next year and the rest of their picks.
I might offer a 1st and a 2nd this year. Trade them the lowest pick (either Bears pick or Cowboys). They then add a pass rusher at 3 overall and BPA with their other pick. then they have a All pro wr to help Carr.
They have 3 1's this year, 2 next year and the rest of their picks.
I might offer a 1st and a 2nd this year. Trade them the lowest pick (either Bears pick or Cowboys). They then add a pass rusher at 3 overall and BPA with their other pick. then they have a All pro wr to help Carr.
No chance. They are going to use the picks to build up the team with young athletic talent.
Gruden hates diva WRs too.
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to us, but could you imagine a team with OBJ, AB and Saquon? Holy fucking fuck. THAT is orgasm worthy.
Anakim,
This Giants team is already struggling to find ways to get the ball in Engram's hands, when Beckham is on the field.
When Beckham went down, Engram's numbers went up, because he became more of a target. They also have to find ways to get Shepard the ball, plus run Barkley.
Bringing in AB, would be a colossal mistake, in my opinion.
1. I doubt this is true (at least right now). Looks like bogus twitter
2. Regardless, Browns behavior has been horrible all season. And quite frankly, if you want to see what a diva, me first WR, and locker room cancer looks like, here you go. I’d take OBJ over this guy any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
3. As great as OBJ is, it is quite possible that his overall production has to take a hit in order for Engram to get more opportunities. When you only really want your QB attempting around 30-35 passes a game, there are only so many targets to go around. This offense needs to be dynamic in the passing game and it has the personnel to do that. Don’t read too much into Engrams poor production with OBJ on the field though. They were rarely on the field together all that much this year, plus Engram missed time when OBJ was healthy and then OBJ missed time when Engram was healthy. Add in the fact that Schurmur clearly did not know how to best employ Engram until December and Engrams liability as a blocker, and you create the false image that Engram and OBJ can’t compliment each other.
1. I doubt this is true (at least right now). Looks like bogus twitter
2. Regardless, Browns behavior has been horrible all season. And quite frankly, if you want to see what a diva, me first WR, and locker room cancer looks like, here you go. I’d take OBJ over this guy any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
3. As great as OBJ is, it is quite possible that his overall production has to take a hit in order for Engram to get more opportunities. When you only really want your QB attempting around 30-35 passes a game, there are only so many targets to go around. This offense needs to be dynamic in the passing game and it has the personnel to do that. Don’t read too much into Engrams poor production with OBJ on the field though. They were rarely on the field together all that much this year, plus Engram missed time when OBJ was healthy and then OBJ missed time when Engram was healthy. Add in the fact that Schurmur clearly did not know how to best employ Engram until December and Engrams liability as a blocker, and you create the false image that Engram and OBJ can’t compliment each other.
I will take the one who can stay on the field... whoever that is.
to us, but could you imagine a team with OBJ, AB and Saquon? Holy fucking fuck. THAT is orgasm worthy.
All these years watching FB and participating in a fan forum have taught you nothing. For the cap hit of AB you can have 2-3 quality (not All Pro) OL, and they would impact the offense far, far, far more than another shiny hood ornament would.
AB is a gorgeous shiny hood ornament, but a huge % of his best plays arise from Ben or the Steelers' OL generating the time to complete plays off schedule. I'm guessing this, but you go watch AB's highlight reels and tell me if it ain't so.
RE: RE: I don't think he'll get traded in the end and it definitely won't be Â
to us, but could you imagine a team with OBJ, AB and Saquon? Holy fucking fuck. THAT is orgasm worthy.
All these years watching FB and participating in a fan forum have taught you nothing. For the cap hit of AB you can have 2-3 quality (not All Pro) OL, and they would impact the offense far, far, far more than another shiny hood ornament would.
AB is a gorgeous shiny hood ornament, but a huge % of his best plays arise from Ben or the Steelers' OL generating the time to complete plays off schedule. I'm guessing this, but you go watch AB's highlight reels and tell me if it ain't so.
Wait - have you seen the FA market the past few years? What 2-3 quality OL are you getting for the cap hit of AB?
Antonio Brown and Big Ben got into a heated arguekent. Brown called Ben “a big fat rapist”. Big Ben began to cry and replied to brown saying “IM NOT FAT”.
^^^ been telling my friends are Steelers fans - he’ll never regain the control of the locker room. He needs to go. Ryan Clark did not mince words - talked about AB’s ego on ESPN the other day. Right after they parted ways with Mike Wallace, AB said something along the lines “i’m the franchise”. That was only year 3.
What a load of crap. Bell wants more money; that has nothing to do with Tomlin. Who knows what Brown's issue is; maybe he is realizing that Shuster is taking over as the #1 receiver.
The Steelers finished 9-6-1 this season; it wasn't like they had a terrible year. They lost a lot of close games to good teams: KC by 5, Chargers by 3, Saints by 3 and a lot of close games in general. Their biggest issues are the kicker and lack of picks. Boswell only hit on 65% of his attempts and missed 5 extra points and they had 8 picks all year.
The Steelers scouts and front office is among the best in the business. They know how to find players and they aren't so stupid as to let Tomlin go. He would be snapped up in a heartbeat.
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to us, but could you imagine a team with OBJ, AB and Saquon? Holy fucking fuck. THAT is orgasm worthy.
All these years watching FB and participating in a fan forum have taught you nothing. For the cap hit of AB you can have 2-3 quality (not All Pro) OL, and they would impact the offense far, far, far more than another shiny hood ornament would.
AB is a gorgeous shiny hood ornament, but a huge % of his best plays arise from Ben or the Steelers' OL generating the time to complete plays off schedule. I'm guessing this, but you go watch AB's highlight reels and tell me if it ain't so.
Wait - have you seen the FA market the past few years? What 2-3 quality OL are you getting for the cap hit of AB?
Let's start with John Sullivan the Ram's starting OC who signed a 2 year deal for 10 mil last year. He'd be a huge upgrade...
We already shelled out the OLT money. What about the 2 guys coming off of injuries in 2018? The Broncos' OC and the Panthers' ORT? They combined will cost less than AB alone costs.
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Let's start with John Sullivan the Ram's starting OC who signed a 2 year deal for 10 mil last year. He'd be a huge upgrade...
We already shelled out the OLT money. What about the 2 guys coming off of injuries in 2018? The Broncos' OC and the Panthers' ORT? They combined will cost less than AB alone costs.
Lou, if Sullivan signed a 2 year deal last year, how does he get to the Giants?
but he’s 30 and likely about to enter the downside of his production curve.
So I’d be shocked if Steelers could get anymore than a second rounder. Probably a third rounder when you add in the head ache factor.
I like Ben R the QB. I think he is right there in the conversation as a top ten QB of all time. But he’s killing this locker room with his public commentary. He’s become a major problem. And Tomlin can’t seem to rein him in.
They aren’t unloading Roeth so it’s looking more and more like Tomlin may be on the heat seat, and getting hotter. He’s in real jeopardy.
is a tad overrated. He's been getting beat by teams subpar talent levels and has developed a growing tendency for poor gameplans and the coaches on his staff have gotten worse and worse with the exception of Munchak coming back in to help improve the OL. Butler and Fichtner are "friends" of the players and neither seem to be particularly good.
His merit was being a "Joe Torre" of sorts with being able to manage players and relationships and drive them to put in the mental prep needed and delegate to his coordinators the teaching of Xs and Os.
They lose Munchak to another HC job, this team could unravel again offensively.
the Steelers have increasingly been bailed out Brown, Bell and Ben making plays and their defacto ownership of the Bengals.
Yes Tomlin would get snapped up in a hurry if he's let go. He won't be very good however without that Steeler Front office and drafting backing him.
I totally agree about Tomlinson. He has not been able to deliver a trip to SB and I know about Pats. He has great talent to work with. Ben has all day to sit in the pocket to pass to AB.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't think he'll get traded in the end and it definitely won't be Â
Let's start with John Sullivan the Ram's starting OC who signed a 2 year deal for 10 mil last year. He'd be a huge upgrade...
We already shelled out the OLT money. What about the 2 guys coming off of injuries in 2018? The Broncos' OC and the Panthers' ORT? They combined will cost less than AB alone costs.
Lou, if Sullivan signed a 2 year deal last year, how does he get to the Giants?
125 I mentioned Sullivan only as a reference point to the cost of signing above average veteran OL compared to a super star WR. I did mention two potential targets by team and position.
Welcome to the new NFL , There is so much parity. Â
Between the rules and the fact that the star players are able to dictate to the teams it has become a watered down product. The announcers try hard to sell the product to fans.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't think he'll get traded in the end and it definitely won't be Â
Let's start with John Sullivan the Ram's starting OC who signed a 2 year deal for 10 mil last year. He'd be a huge upgrade...
We already shelled out the OLT money. What about the 2 guys coming off of injuries in 2018? The Broncos' OC and the Panthers' ORT? They combined will cost less than AB alone costs.
Lou, if Sullivan signed a 2 year deal last year, how does he get to the Giants?
125 I mentioned Sullivan only as a reference point to the cost of signing above average veteran OL compared to a super star WR. I did mention two potential targets by team and position.
Thought that may have been what you were saying, comprehension is sometimes a problem! Thanks
^^^ been telling my friends are Steelers fans - he’ll never regain the control of the locker room. He needs to go. Ryan Clark did not mince words - talked about AB’s ego on ESPN the other day. Right after they parted ways with Mike Wallace, AB said something along the lines “i’m the franchise”. That was only year 3.
Brown is a total asshole and a cancer. Big Ben is hardly an Eli as far as a good teammate. Bell is another me first asshole. Tomlin dealing with all of those jack offs deserves a medal. He may need to go but that team needs an over haul at this point.
but the Rooney rule was named after Art Rooney and Tomlin certainly benefitted from it.
With this rash of recent firings, and many of them minorities, another firing of someone like Tomlinson and his resume would really unleash some backlash.
^^^ been telling my friends are Steelers fans - he’ll never regain the control of the locker room. He needs to go. Ryan Clark did not mince words - talked about AB’s ego on ESPN the other day. Right after they parted ways with Mike Wallace, AB said something along the lines “i’m the franchise”. That was only year 3.
Brown is a total asshole and a cancer. Big Ben is hardly an Eli as far as a good teammate. Bell is another me first asshole. Tomlin dealing with all of those jack offs deserves a medal. He may need to go but that team needs an over haul at this point.
I agree with all of your points.
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What the Steelers would want. Consider he is coming up on 31. That’s not a young man in the receiver world.
That's assuming the Steelers are unreasonable in demands. Brown is a pile
Is a pile Shit. The Roony's may of the mine thst at the point that he needs to go and settle for a Lesser package that people think they will want
Tomlin public enemy #1
Go from 7-2, to out of the playoffs
Further explanation, below.
AB's Cap Consequences - ( New Window )
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for optimum cap savings. Dealing him before incurs a $21M dead cap hit.
Further explanation, below. AB's Cap Consequences - ( New Window )
The can assign him as a post June 1st player but they won't see the savings until June second. Can that work with trades?
Bell and now Antonio Brown
They tend to have an old school approach to such things.I would have dealt Bell along time ago.
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for optimum cap savings. Dealing him before incurs a $21M dead cap hit.
Further explanation, below. AB's Cap Consequences - ( New Window )
The can assign him as a post June 1st player but they won't see the savings until June second. Can that work with trades?
No. In the event of a release, a player can be released at any time and be designated as a post-June 1st cut for cap savings. In the event of a trade, a player actually has to be traded after 6/1.
In the case of a trading partner, they would still have AB for the bulk of the off-season workouts and training camp so it shouldn't be a problem. But the Steelers aren't going to eat $21M just to appease AB.
I might offer a 1st and a 2nd this year. Trade them the lowest pick (either Bears pick or Cowboys). They then add a pass rusher at 3 overall and BPA with their other pick. then they have a All pro wr to help Carr.
I might offer a 1st and a 2nd this year. Trade them the lowest pick (either Bears pick or Cowboys). They then add a pass rusher at 3 overall and BPA with their other pick. then they have a All pro wr to help Carr.
No chance. They are going to use the picks to build up the team with young athletic talent.
Gruden hates diva WRs too.
If they do, they're dumb.
Anakim,
This Giants team is already struggling to find ways to get the ball in Engram's hands, when Beckham is on the field.
When Beckham went down, Engram's numbers went up, because he became more of a target. They also have to find ways to get Shepard the ball, plus run Barkley.
Bringing in AB, would be a colossal mistake, in my opinion.
2. Regardless, Browns behavior has been horrible all season. And quite frankly, if you want to see what a diva, me first WR, and locker room cancer looks like, here you go. I’d take OBJ over this guy any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
3. As great as OBJ is, it is quite possible that his overall production has to take a hit in order for Engram to get more opportunities. When you only really want your QB attempting around 30-35 passes a game, there are only so many targets to go around. This offense needs to be dynamic in the passing game and it has the personnel to do that. Don’t read too much into Engrams poor production with OBJ on the field though. They were rarely on the field together all that much this year, plus Engram missed time when OBJ was healthy and then OBJ missed time when Engram was healthy. Add in the fact that Schurmur clearly did not know how to best employ Engram until December and Engrams liability as a blocker, and you create the false image that Engram and OBJ can’t compliment each other.
2. Regardless, Browns behavior has been horrible all season. And quite frankly, if you want to see what a diva, me first WR, and locker room cancer looks like, here you go. I’d take OBJ over this guy any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
3. As great as OBJ is, it is quite possible that his overall production has to take a hit in order for Engram to get more opportunities. When you only really want your QB attempting around 30-35 passes a game, there are only so many targets to go around. This offense needs to be dynamic in the passing game and it has the personnel to do that. Don’t read too much into Engrams poor production with OBJ on the field though. They were rarely on the field together all that much this year, plus Engram missed time when OBJ was healthy and then OBJ missed time when Engram was healthy. Add in the fact that Schurmur clearly did not know how to best employ Engram until December and Engrams liability as a blocker, and you create the false image that Engram and OBJ can’t compliment each other.
I will take the one who can stay on the field... whoever that is.
Probably could garner something like a 2 and a conditional 4 or 5.
All these years watching FB and participating in a fan forum have taught you nothing. For the cap hit of AB you can have 2-3 quality (not All Pro) OL, and they would impact the offense far, far, far more than another shiny hood ornament would.
AB is a gorgeous shiny hood ornament, but a huge % of his best plays arise from Ben or the Steelers' OL generating the time to complete plays off schedule. I'm guessing this, but you go watch AB's highlight reels and tell me if it ain't so.
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to us, but could you imagine a team with OBJ, AB and Saquon? Holy fucking fuck. THAT is orgasm worthy.
All these years watching FB and participating in a fan forum have taught you nothing. For the cap hit of AB you can have 2-3 quality (not All Pro) OL, and they would impact the offense far, far, far more than another shiny hood ornament would.
AB is a gorgeous shiny hood ornament, but a huge % of his best plays arise from Ben or the Steelers' OL generating the time to complete plays off schedule. I'm guessing this, but you go watch AB's highlight reels and tell me if it ain't so.
Wait - have you seen the FA market the past few years? What 2-3 quality OL are you getting for the cap hit of AB?
Fucking dweebs.
^^^ been telling my friends are Steelers fans - he’ll never regain the control of the locker room. He needs to go. Ryan Clark did not mince words - talked about AB’s ego on ESPN the other day. Right after they parted ways with Mike Wallace, AB said something along the lines “i’m the franchise”. That was only year 3.
The Steelers finished 9-6-1 this season; it wasn't like they had a terrible year. They lost a lot of close games to good teams: KC by 5, Chargers by 3, Saints by 3 and a lot of close games in general. Their biggest issues are the kicker and lack of picks. Boswell only hit on 65% of his attempts and missed 5 extra points and they had 8 picks all year.
The Steelers scouts and front office is among the best in the business. They know how to find players and they aren't so stupid as to let Tomlin go. He would be snapped up in a heartbeat.
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to us, but could you imagine a team with OBJ, AB and Saquon? Holy fucking fuck. THAT is orgasm worthy.
All these years watching FB and participating in a fan forum have taught you nothing. For the cap hit of AB you can have 2-3 quality (not All Pro) OL, and they would impact the offense far, far, far more than another shiny hood ornament would.
AB is a gorgeous shiny hood ornament, but a huge % of his best plays arise from Ben or the Steelers' OL generating the time to complete plays off schedule. I'm guessing this, but you go watch AB's highlight reels and tell me if it ain't so.
Wait - have you seen the FA market the past few years? What 2-3 quality OL are you getting for the cap hit of AB?
Let's start with John Sullivan the Ram's starting OC who signed a 2 year deal for 10 mil last year. He'd be a huge upgrade...
We already shelled out the OLT money. What about the 2 guys coming off of injuries in 2018? The Broncos' OC and the Panthers' ORT? They combined will cost less than AB alone costs.
Let's start with John Sullivan the Ram's starting OC who signed a 2 year deal for 10 mil last year. He'd be a huge upgrade...
We already shelled out the OLT money. What about the 2 guys coming off of injuries in 2018? The Broncos' OC and the Panthers' ORT? They combined will cost less than AB alone costs.
Lou, if Sullivan signed a 2 year deal last year, how does he get to the Giants?
So I’d be shocked if Steelers could get anymore than a second rounder. Probably a third rounder when you add in the head ache factor.
I like Ben R the QB. I think he is right there in the conversation as a top ten QB of all time. But he’s killing this locker room with his public commentary. He’s become a major problem. And Tomlin can’t seem to rein him in.
They aren’t unloading Roeth so it’s looking more and more like Tomlin may be on the heat seat, and getting hotter. He’s in real jeopardy.
Yes Tomlin would get snapped up in a hurry if he's let go. He won't be very good however without that Steeler Front office and drafting backing him.
His merit was being a "Joe Torre" of sorts with being able to manage players and relationships and drive them to put in the mental prep needed and delegate to his coordinators the teaching of Xs and Os.
They lose Munchak to another HC job, this team could unravel again offensively.
Yes Tomlin would get snapped up in a hurry if he's let go. He won't be very good however without that Steeler Front office and drafting backing him.
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Let's start with John Sullivan the Ram's starting OC who signed a 2 year deal for 10 mil last year. He'd be a huge upgrade...
We already shelled out the OLT money. What about the 2 guys coming off of injuries in 2018? The Broncos' OC and the Panthers' ORT? They combined will cost less than AB alone costs.
Lou, if Sullivan signed a 2 year deal last year, how does he get to the Giants?
125 I mentioned Sullivan only as a reference point to the cost of signing above average veteran OL compared to a super star WR. I did mention two potential targets by team and position.
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Let's start with John Sullivan the Ram's starting OC who signed a 2 year deal for 10 mil last year. He'd be a huge upgrade...
We already shelled out the OLT money. What about the 2 guys coming off of injuries in 2018? The Broncos' OC and the Panthers' ORT? They combined will cost less than AB alone costs.
Lou, if Sullivan signed a 2 year deal last year, how does he get to the Giants?
125 I mentioned Sullivan only as a reference point to the cost of signing above average veteran OL compared to a super star WR. I did mention two potential targets by team and position.
Thought that may have been what you were saying, comprehension is sometimes a problem! Thanks
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and has to go.
^^^ been telling my friends are Steelers fans - he’ll never regain the control of the locker room. He needs to go. Ryan Clark did not mince words - talked about AB’s ego on ESPN the other day. Right after they parted ways with Mike Wallace, AB said something along the lines “i’m the franchise”. That was only year 3.
Brown is a total asshole and a cancer. Big Ben is hardly an Eli as far as a good teammate. Bell is another me first asshole. Tomlin dealing with all of those jack offs deserves a medal. He may need to go but that team needs an over haul at this point.
With this rash of recent firings, and many of them minorities, another firing of someone like Tomlinson and his resume would really unleash some backlash.
Lewis tried to walk away last year. Bowles - many thought he'd get the axe last year - no upward trend.
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maybe he is realizing that Shuster is taking over as the #1 receiver.
This is most likely the root cause of it all. Brown can't stand potentially being the #2 guy.
Lewis tried to walk away last year. Bowles - many thought he'd get the axe last year - no upward trend.
Wilks didn't get a fair shot with a roster that was imploded and a rookie QB.
I think most people know Joseph isn't the problem in Denver.
Bowles - well, it's the Jets.
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and has to go.
^^^ been telling my friends are Steelers fans - he’ll never regain the control of the locker room. He needs to go. Ryan Clark did not mince words - talked about AB’s ego on ESPN the other day. Right after they parted ways with Mike Wallace, AB said something along the lines “i’m the franchise”. That was only year 3.
Brown is a total asshole and a cancer. Big Ben is hardly an Eli as far as a good teammate. Bell is another me first asshole. Tomlin dealing with all of those jack offs deserves a medal. He may need to go but that team needs an over haul at this point.
I agree with all of your points.
Yea.
Only the Giants could fuck that up.
That's assuming the Steelers are unreasonable in demands. Brown is a pile
Is a pile Shit. The Roony's may of the mine thst at the point that he needs to go and settle for a Lesser package that people think they will want