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Antonio Brown requests trade

Danny Kanell : 1/1/2019 12:08 pm
Just saw it from Schefter. No link.

Kick the tires.

Jk
Do you think the Steelers will hold out for 2 #1ís?  
Sean : 1/1/2019 12:09 pm : link
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I don't know anything about their cap but I bet the Eagles get him  
BestFeature : 1/1/2019 12:10 pm : link
Just to kick me in the balls one more time.
Man, what is happening in Pittsburgh?  
Ben in Tampa : 1/1/2019 12:11 pm : link
Brown & Bell revolt

Tomlin public enemy #1

Go from 7-2, to out of the playoffs

Haha  
UConn4523 : 1/1/2019 12:12 pm : link
this should get interesting
I mean if they are  
TommyWiseau : 1/1/2019 12:12 pm : link
Going to move him, this is the time. He is 30, will be turning 31 next year but still young enough to get a huge return on him. He makes a fortune and Juju is has now emerged as one of the best WRs in football.
It will have to be a post 6/1 trade  
Diver_Down : 1/1/2019 12:14 pm : link
for optimum cap savings. Dealing him before incurs a $21M dead cap hit.
Now while I don't tihnk Brown is all that easy to work with  
moespree : 1/1/2019 12:16 pm : link
There always seem to be a problem in Pittsburgh every year. Something or someone. Every year something different. Tomlin is talked about all the time as this great manager of men that everyone wants to play for, but what's the evidence for this? Because it seems like the complete opposite of that.
RE: It will have to be a post 6/1 trade  
Diver_Down : 1/1/2019 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14242717 Diver_Down said:
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for optimum cap savings. Dealing him before incurs a $21M dead cap hit.


Further explanation, below.
AB's Cap Consequences - ( New Window )
I don't think he'll get traded in the end and it definitely won't be  
Anakim : 1/1/2019 12:20 pm : link
to us, but could you imagine a team with OBJ, AB and Saquon? Holy fucking fuck. THAT is orgasm worthy.
To my knowledge, this isnít true  
Saos1n : 1/1/2019 12:20 pm : link
It was a bogus Twitter Account
RE: RE: It will have to be a post 6/1 trade  
robbieballs2003 : 1/1/2019 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14242722 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14242717 Diver_Down said:


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for optimum cap savings. Dealing him before incurs a $21M dead cap hit.



Further explanation, below. AB's Cap Consequences - ( New Window )


The can assign him as a post June 1st player but they won't see the savings until June second. Can that work with trades?
if I was Steelers  
bc4life : 1/1/2019 12:23 pm : link
I'd try and make it somewhere he didn't want to go - as long as trade value was there
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ghost718 : 1/1/2019 12:27 pm : link
Interesting to see how the Steelers deal with there dueling ten cent heads

Bell and now Antonio Brown

They tend to have an old school approach to such things.I would have dealt Bell along time ago.
If AB wants to move he needs to offer to return some Signing Bonus  
djstat : 1/1/2019 12:27 pm : link
Money, which he will not do. So he is a $20 Million Cap Hit for Pittsburgh. If NFL/NFLPA were smart they would allow teams to trade cap space so the Browns for instance have $80 million in cap space could trade $20 million in Cap space to Pitt.
RE: RE: RE: It will have to be a post 6/1 trade  
Diver_Down : 1/1/2019 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14242732 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14242717 Diver_Down said:


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for optimum cap savings. Dealing him before incurs a $21M dead cap hit.



Further explanation, below. AB's Cap Consequences - ( New Window )



The can assign him as a post June 1st player but they won't see the savings until June second. Can that work with trades?


No. In the event of a release, a player can be released at any time and be designated as a post-June 1st cut for cap savings. In the event of a trade, a player actually has to be traded after 6/1.

In the case of a trading partner, they would still have AB for the bulk of the off-season workouts and training camp so it shouldn't be a problem. But the Steelers aren't going to eat $21M just to appease AB.
Mayocks first splash as GM  
superspynyg : 1/1/2019 12:37 pm : link
They have 3 1's this year, 2 next year and the rest of their picks.

I might offer a 1st and a 2nd this year. Trade them the lowest pick (either Bears pick or Cowboys). They then add a pass rusher at 3 overall and BPA with their other pick. then they have a All pro wr to help Carr.
RE: Mayocks first splash as GM  
Sammo85 : 1/1/2019 12:42 pm : link
In comment 14242762 superspynyg said:
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They have 3 1's this year, 2 next year and the rest of their picks.

I might offer a 1st and a 2nd this year. Trade them the lowest pick (either Bears pick or Cowboys). They then add a pass rusher at 3 overall and BPA with their other pick. then they have a All pro wr to help Carr.


No chance. They are going to use the picks to build up the team with young athletic talent.

Gruden hates diva WRs too.
RE: Do you think the Steelers will hold out for 2 #1ís?  
Go Terps : 1/1/2019 12:57 pm : link
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If they do, they're dumb.
Odd  
GFiLA : 1/1/2019 12:58 pm : link
So is the team going to stick with Ben over both Brown and Bell?
RE: I don't think he'll get traded in the end and it definitely won't be  
sxdxca : 1/1/2019 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14242728 Anakim said:
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to us, but could you imagine a team with OBJ, AB and Saquon? Holy fucking fuck. THAT is orgasm worthy.


Anakim,

This Giants team is already struggling to find ways to get the ball in Engram's hands, when Beckham is on the field.

When Beckham went down, Engram's numbers went up, because he became more of a target. They also have to find ways to get Shepard the ball, plus run Barkley.

Bringing in AB, would be a colossal mistake, in my opinion.

Couple of things  
Emil : 1/1/2019 1:15 pm : link
1. I doubt this is true (at least right now). Looks like bogus twitter

2. Regardless, Browns behavior has been horrible all season. And quite frankly, if you want to see what a diva, me first WR, and locker room cancer looks like, here you go. Iíd take OBJ over this guy any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

3. As great as OBJ is, it is quite possible that his overall production has to take a hit in order for Engram to get more opportunities. When you only really want your QB attempting around 30-35 passes a game, there are only so many targets to go around. This offense needs to be dynamic in the passing game and it has the personnel to do that. Donít read too much into Engrams poor production with OBJ on the field though. They were rarely on the field together all that much this year, plus Engram missed time when OBJ was healthy and then OBJ missed time when Engram was healthy. Add in the fact that Schurmur clearly did not know how to best employ Engram until December and Engrams liability as a blocker, and you create the false image that Engram and OBJ canít compliment each other.
RE: Couple of things  
EricJ : 1/1/2019 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14242803 Emil said:
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1. I doubt this is true (at least right now). Looks like bogus twitter

2. Regardless, Browns behavior has been horrible all season. And quite frankly, if you want to see what a diva, me first WR, and locker room cancer looks like, here you go. Iíd take OBJ over this guy any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

3. As great as OBJ is, it is quite possible that his overall production has to take a hit in order for Engram to get more opportunities. When you only really want your QB attempting around 30-35 passes a game, there are only so many targets to go around. This offense needs to be dynamic in the passing game and it has the personnel to do that. Donít read too much into Engrams poor production with OBJ on the field though. They were rarely on the field together all that much this year, plus Engram missed time when OBJ was healthy and then OBJ missed time when Engram was healthy. Add in the fact that Schurmur clearly did not know how to best employ Engram until December and Engrams liability as a blocker, and you create the false image that Engram and OBJ canít compliment each other.


I will take the one who can stay on the field... whoever that is.
Steelers likely  
Sammo85 : 1/1/2019 1:31 pm : link
wouldnít even get a #1 considering his age, cap and contract, and baggage.

Probably could garner something like a 2 and a conditional 4 or 5.
Pretty sure this was not the real Schefter that tweeted this.  
GiantGolfer : 1/1/2019 1:34 pm : link
Itís fake.
RE: I don't think he'll get traded in the end and it definitely won't be  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/1/2019 1:45 pm : link
In comment 14242728 Anakim said:
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to us, but could you imagine a team with OBJ, AB and Saquon? Holy fucking fuck. THAT is orgasm worthy.


All these years watching FB and participating in a fan forum have taught you nothing. For the cap hit of AB you can have 2-3 quality (not All Pro) OL, and they would impact the offense far, far, far more than another shiny hood ornament would.

AB is a gorgeous shiny hood ornament, but a huge % of his best plays arise from Ben or the Steelers' OL generating the time to complete plays off schedule. I'm guessing this, but you go watch AB's highlight reels and tell me if it ain't so.
RE: RE: I don't think he'll get traded in the end and it definitely won't be  
jcn56 : 1/1/2019 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14242827 BlueLou'sBack said:
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to us, but could you imagine a team with OBJ, AB and Saquon? Holy fucking fuck. THAT is orgasm worthy.



All these years watching FB and participating in a fan forum have taught you nothing. For the cap hit of AB you can have 2-3 quality (not All Pro) OL, and they would impact the offense far, far, far more than another shiny hood ornament would.

AB is a gorgeous shiny hood ornament, but a huge % of his best plays arise from Ben or the Steelers' OL generating the time to complete plays off schedule. I'm guessing this, but you go watch AB's highlight reels and tell me if it ain't so.


Wait - have you seen the FA market the past few years? What 2-3 quality OL are you getting for the cap hit of AB?
Odell Beckham is such a diva1!!11!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/1/2019 1:47 pm : link
Oh, wait.

Fucking dweebs.
Now LaCanfora reporting  
Giants in 07 : 1/1/2019 1:48 pm : link
Wow!
According to reports  
Mr. Nickels : 1/1/2019 1:51 pm : link
Antonio Brown and Big Ben got into a heated arguekent. Brown called Ben ďa big fat rapistĒ. Big Ben began to cry and replied to brown saying ďIM NOT FATĒ.
Steekers can probably get a #1  
ZogZerg : 1/1/2019 1:53 pm : link
Maybe the Patriots would be interested.
Tomlin lost the team  
BigBlueCane : 1/1/2019 1:53 pm : link
and has to go.
RE: Tomlin lost the team  
GiantGrit : 1/1/2019 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14242837 BigBlueCane said:
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and has to go.


^^^ been telling my friends are Steelers fans - heíll never regain the control of the locker room. He needs to go. Ryan Clark did not mince words - talked about ABís ego on ESPN the other day. Right after they parted ways with Mike Wallace, AB said something along the lines ďiím the franchiseĒ. That was only year 3.
RE: Tomlin lost the team  
HomerJones45 : 1/1/2019 2:11 pm : link
In comment 14242837 BigBlueCane said:
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and has to go.
What a load of crap. Bell wants more money; that has nothing to do with Tomlin. Who knows what Brown's issue is; maybe he is realizing that Shuster is taking over as the #1 receiver.

The Steelers finished 9-6-1 this season; it wasn't like they had a terrible year. They lost a lot of close games to good teams: KC by 5, Chargers by 3, Saints by 3 and a lot of close games in general. Their biggest issues are the kicker and lack of picks. Boswell only hit on 65% of his attempts and missed 5 extra points and they had 8 picks all year.

The Steelers scouts and front office is among the best in the business. They know how to find players and they aren't so stupid as to let Tomlin go. He would be snapped up in a heartbeat.
RE: RE: RE: I don't think he'll get traded in the end and it definitely won't be  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/1/2019 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14242829 jcn56 said:
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to us, but could you imagine a team with OBJ, AB and Saquon? Holy fucking fuck. THAT is orgasm worthy.



All these years watching FB and participating in a fan forum have taught you nothing. For the cap hit of AB you can have 2-3 quality (not All Pro) OL, and they would impact the offense far, far, far more than another shiny hood ornament would.

AB is a gorgeous shiny hood ornament, but a huge % of his best plays arise from Ben or the Steelers' OL generating the time to complete plays off schedule. I'm guessing this, but you go watch AB's highlight reels and tell me if it ain't so.



Wait - have you seen the FA market the past few years? What 2-3 quality OL are you getting for the cap hit of AB?


Let's start with John Sullivan the Ram's starting OC who signed a 2 year deal for 10 mil last year. He'd be a huge upgrade...

We already shelled out the OLT money. What about the 2 guys coming off of injuries in 2018? The Broncos' OC and the Panthers' ORT? They combined will cost less than AB alone costs.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't think he'll get traded in the end and it definitely won't be  
section125 : 1/1/2019 2:19 pm : link
In comment 14242864 BlueLou'sBack said:
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Let's start with John Sullivan the Ram's starting OC who signed a 2 year deal for 10 mil last year. He'd be a huge upgrade...

We already shelled out the OLT money. What about the 2 guys coming off of injuries in 2018? The Broncos' OC and the Panthers' ORT? They combined will cost less than AB alone costs.


Lou, if Sullivan signed a 2 year deal last year, how does he get to the Giants?
Post 6/1 to Jets  
micky : 1/1/2019 2:19 pm : link
That would be one hell of a piece for Darnold
Brown is a great, great player...  
bw in dc : 1/1/2019 2:23 pm : link
but heís 30 and likely about to enter the downside of his production curve.

So Iíd be shocked if Steelers could get anymore than a second rounder. Probably a third rounder when you add in the head ache factor.

I like Ben R the QB. I think he is right there in the conversation as a top ten QB of all time. But heís killing this locker room with his public commentary. Heís become a major problem. And Tomlin canít seem to rein him in.

They arenít unloading Roeth so itís looking more and more like Tomlin may be on the heat seat, and getting hotter. Heís in real jeopardy.
if you've been paying attention  
BigBlueCane : 1/1/2019 2:23 pm : link
the Steelers have increasingly been bailed out Brown, Bell and Ben making plays and their defacto ownership of the Bengals.

Yes Tomlin would get snapped up in a hurry if he's let go. He won't be very good however without that Steeler Front office and drafting backing him.
Tomlin  
Sammo85 : 1/1/2019 2:34 pm : link
is a tad overrated. He's been getting beat by teams subpar talent levels and has developed a growing tendency for poor gameplans and the coaches on his staff have gotten worse and worse with the exception of Munchak coming back in to help improve the OL. Butler and Fichtner are "friends" of the players and neither seem to be particularly good.

His merit was being a "Joe Torre" of sorts with being able to manage players and relationships and drive them to put in the mental prep needed and delegate to his coordinators the teaching of Xs and Os.

They lose Munchak to another HC job, this team could unravel again offensively.
He's perfect for the Raiders  
gtt350 : 1/1/2019 2:45 pm : link
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RE: if you've been paying attention  
joe48 : 1/1/2019 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14242878 BigBlueCane said:
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the Steelers have increasingly been bailed out Brown, Bell and Ben making plays and their defacto ownership of the Bengals.

Yes Tomlin would get snapped up in a hurry if he's let go. He won't be very good however without that Steeler Front office and drafting backing him.
I totally agree about Tomlinson. He has not been able to deliver a trip to SB and I know about Pats. He has great talent to work with. Ben has all day to sit in the pocket to pass to AB.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't think he'll get traded in the end and it definitely won't be  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/1/2019 2:58 pm : link
In comment 14242873 section125 said:
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Let's start with John Sullivan the Ram's starting OC who signed a 2 year deal for 10 mil last year. He'd be a huge upgrade...

We already shelled out the OLT money. What about the 2 guys coming off of injuries in 2018? The Broncos' OC and the Panthers' ORT? They combined will cost less than AB alone costs.



Lou, if Sullivan signed a 2 year deal last year, how does he get to the Giants?


125 I mentioned Sullivan only as a reference point to the cost of signing above average veteran OL compared to a super star WR. I did mention two potential targets by team and position.
Welcome to the new NFL , There is so much parity.  
joe48 : 1/1/2019 3:03 pm : link
Between the rules and the fact that the star players are able to dictate to the teams it has become a watered down product. The announcers try hard to sell the product to fans.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't think he'll get traded in the end and it definitely won't be  
section125 : 1/1/2019 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14242916 BlueLou'sBack said:
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Let's start with John Sullivan the Ram's starting OC who signed a 2 year deal for 10 mil last year. He'd be a huge upgrade...

We already shelled out the OLT money. What about the 2 guys coming off of injuries in 2018? The Broncos' OC and the Panthers' ORT? They combined will cost less than AB alone costs.



Lou, if Sullivan signed a 2 year deal last year, how does he get to the Giants?



125 I mentioned Sullivan only as a reference point to the cost of signing above average veteran OL compared to a super star WR. I did mention two potential targets by team and position.


Thought that may have been what you were saying, comprehension is sometimes a problem! Thanks
RE: RE: Tomlin lost the team  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/1/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14242852 GiantGrit said:
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and has to go.



^^^ been telling my friends are Steelers fans - heíll never regain the control of the locker room. He needs to go. Ryan Clark did not mince words - talked about ABís ego on ESPN the other day. Right after they parted ways with Mike Wallace, AB said something along the lines ďiím the franchiseĒ. That was only year 3.


Brown is a total asshole and a cancer. Big Ben is hardly an Eli as far as a good teammate. Bell is another me first asshole. Tomlin dealing with all of those jack offs deserves a medal. He may need to go but that team needs an over haul at this point.
Not to twist politics into this...  
bw in dc : 1/1/2019 4:10 pm : link
but the Rooney rule was named after Art Rooney and Tomlin certainly benefitted from it.

With this rash of recent firings, and many of them minorities, another firing of someone like Tomlinson and his resume would really unleash some backlash.
different reasons for the firings  
bc4life : 1/1/2019 4:14 pm : link
Wilks & Joseph have a right to complain - one year is not enough. curious personnel decisions re: Joseph.

Lewis tried to walk away last year. Bowles - many thought he'd get the axe last year - no upward trend.
RE: RE: Tomlin lost the team  
FStubbs : 1/1/2019 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14242861 HomerJones45 said:
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maybe he is realizing that Shuster is taking over as the #1 receiver.



This is most likely the root cause of it all. Brown can't stand potentially being the #2 guy.
RE: different reasons for the firings  
FStubbs : 1/1/2019 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14242984 bc4life said:
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Wilks & Joseph have a right to complain - one year is not enough. curious personnel decisions re: Joseph.

Lewis tried to walk away last year. Bowles - many thought he'd get the axe last year - no upward trend.


Wilks didn't get a fair shot with a roster that was imploded and a rookie QB.

I think most people know Joseph isn't the problem in Denver.

Bowles - well, it's the Jets.
RE: RE: RE: Tomlin lost the team  
GiantGrit : 1/1/2019 5:16 pm : link
In comment 14242971 LauderdaleMatty said:
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and has to go.



^^^ been telling my friends are Steelers fans - heíll never regain the control of the locker room. He needs to go. Ryan Clark did not mince words - talked about ABís ego on ESPN the other day. Right after they parted ways with Mike Wallace, AB said something along the lines ďiím the franchiseĒ. That was only year 3.



Brown is a total asshole and a cancer. Big Ben is hardly an Eli as far as a good teammate. Bell is another me first asshole. Tomlin dealing with all of those jack offs deserves a medal. He may need to go but that team needs an over haul at this point.


I agree with all of your points.
RE: I don't think he'll get traded in the end and it definitely won't be  
NoPeanutz : 1/1/2019 5:29 pm : link
In comment 14242728 Anakim said:
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to us, but could you imagine a team with OBJ, AB and Saquon? Holy fucking fuck. THAT is orgasm worthy.

Yea.
Only the Giants could fuck that up.
I donít think teams will pay  
Giant John : 1/1/2019 6:06 pm : link
What the Steelers would want. Consider he is coming up on 31. Thatís not a young man in the receiver world.
RE: I donít think teams will pay  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/1/2019 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14243199 Giant John said:
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What the Steelers would want. Consider he is coming up on 31. Thatís not a young man in the receiver world.


That's assuming the Steelers are unreasonable in demands. Brown is a pile
Is a pile Shit. The Roony's may of the mine thst at the point that he needs to go and settle for a Lesser package that people think they will want
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