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CromartiesKid21 : 1/1/2019 4:11 pm
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If New York Giants receiver Odell Beckham Jr. is put on the trading block, the San Francisco 49ers will be interested in a potential deal, according to Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk.

The 49ers reportedly considered a deal for Beckham last offseason and remain interested heading into 2019.

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Guys, Sy nailed it  
Emil : 1/1/2019 6:50 pm : link
This is click bait. Notice the strategic use of the word if. Yes, Iím sure San Francisco would be interested, if he was on the block. Sports media OBJ generates clicks wherever his name is mentioned.

Here is what matters.

1. If they trade him in time for the 2019 draft, heís going to incur a 16 mil cap hit. Thatís literally more money than it takes to sign an entire draft class unavailable to the franchise. Heck, itís arguably two draft classes. Plus youíve lost the immense impact of OBJs talent.

2. Iím sure the number two overall pick would interest the Giants, but it would cost them everything outlined in point one.

3. Trading him after June 1 would not be desireable because you have no idea where the 49ers will pick in 2020. Just ask the Raiders about that pick they got from the Bears for the best pass rusher in the NFL. Is OBJ worth a couple of picks in the 20s? One in 2020 and one in 2021. Nope, heís worth more.

4. I love OBJ, just about everyone here knows that. Iíve always enjoyed following WRs in the NFL and heís the best Iíve seen since Rice. Yeah, I think some of you guys are way too sensitive and are easily manipulated by clickbait stories. BUT ALL THAT SAID...this is a business and if there is a scenario where trading OBJ makes the NY Football Giants better sooner rather than later, then you do it. What that looks like is pretty much what the team said last offseason. Two first round picks, plus more. That probably means a player or two as well.

Do I think the Giants could trade OBJ? Yeah, they could. But only if they are blown away, if it makes the team overall better at the end of it, and if it doesnít cost them more than it takes to sign an entire draft class (or two).

So yeah it COULD happen. But probably not until 2020 at the earliest.
This is interesting...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/1/2019 6:51 pm : link
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jcn...
bw in dc : 6:09 pm : link : reply
With Hopkins, I'm looking at his career. The majority of his career has been with dish rag QBs. And despite that he's still been uber-productive.


Funny how you treat Eli like a dish-rag QB until it doesn't fit the narrative of the day.
RE: One of the best players in the league  
Emil : 1/1/2019 6:51 pm : link
In comment 14243254 B in ALB said:
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Traded for Nick Mullens and a pick?

Shirley...you can't be serious.


And donít call me Shirley😁
RE: RE: A new offseason and  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/1/2019 6:51 pm : link
In comment 14243278 Eman11 said:
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The same old trade rumors. Beat writers have nothing else to do but take trade speculation.

Who would have thought?



I'm sure the blowhard Boomer will be pouring gas on this speculation all off season long. Hell he's already started with his yearly rant against him and saying they need to trade him. This will only add to his obnoxiousness.


He was already doing it yesterday, saying Cleveland should trade for him.
RE: One of the best players in the league  
GFAN52 : 1/1/2019 6:52 pm : link
In comment 14243254 B in ALB said:
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Traded for Nick Mullens and a pick?

Shirley...you can't be serious.


Nick Mullens....lol
RE: No one would trade the #2 pick in the draft for Beckham  
FStubbs : 1/1/2019 6:55 pm : link
In comment 14243253 Go Terps said:
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That's 5 years of cost control for what should be an elite player. Think about the players drafted in that area last year. You think the Jets trade Darnold, Denver trades us Chubb, or Indy trades us Nelson for Beckham straight up? They'd laugh us off the phone.

Draft picks aren't just about adding talent. They're about not having to pay a premium for that talent for years.

Think about our first round pick (6th overall). What would we want back for that in trade? If we traded it for the highest paid WR in the league, who hasn't played a full season in a couple years, BBI would flip.


Well, yeah. Which is why if SF were to offer the #2 pick in the draft for Beckham we take the trade and run.

I think Beckham is a great player. It is not easy to find a player like him. However, I do have injury concerns about him, and as we've seen on the field almost every year he's been in the league, he's a shiny hood ornament if the team isn't strong on the lines.

Here's a controversial statement: Would you trade Beckham, right now, for a rookie pass rusher who gives you 10 sacks a year the next 7-8 years?
The injury concern stuff is ridiculous  
B in ALB : 1/1/2019 6:59 pm : link
He gets demolished over the middle and breaks his ankle. Then he's leg whipped in a freak play that was a clear penalty.

Yet somehow he should have avoided both injuries. He didn't, so there are injury concerns. Makes no sense.

If he had repeated non contact injuries I would join you in your concern.
RE: RE: No one would trade the #2 pick in the draft for Beckham  
Go Terps : 1/1/2019 7:00 pm : link
In comment 14243287 FStubbs said:
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That's 5 years of cost control for what should be an elite player. Think about the players drafted in that area last year. You think the Jets trade Darnold, Denver trades us Chubb, or Indy trades us Nelson for Beckham straight up? They'd laugh us off the phone.

Draft picks aren't just about adding talent. They're about not having to pay a premium for that talent for years.

Think about our first round pick (6th overall). What would we want back for that in trade? If we traded it for the highest paid WR in the league, who hasn't played a full season in a couple years, BBI would flip.



Well, yeah. Which is why if SF were to offer the #2 pick in the draft for Beckham we take the trade and run.

I think Beckham is a great player. It is not easy to find a player like him. However, I do have injury concerns about him, and as we've seen on the field almost every year he's been in the league, he's a shiny hood ornament if the team isn't strong on the lines.

Here's a controversial statement: Would you trade Beckham, right now, for a rookie pass rusher who gives you 10 sacks a year the next 7-8 years?


Without thinking twice.
RE: RE: RE: A new offseason and  
Eman11 : 1/1/2019 7:01 pm : link
In comment 14243283 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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The same old trade rumors. Beat writers have nothing else to do but take trade speculation.

Who would have thought?



I'm sure the blowhard Boomer will be pouring gas on this speculation all off season long. Hell he's already started with his yearly rant against him and saying they need to trade him. This will only add to his obnoxiousness.



He was already doing it yesterday, saying Cleveland should trade for him.


Yup he was but it was great to hear Phil have OBJ's back and say no way should they trade him, and he'd have no problem playing with him.

I think Phil's tied in way closer to the Giants than Boomer ever will hope to be and he didn't sound the slightest bit concerned about OBJ or the Giants feelings towards him.

I also thought asshole Boomer was way out of line questioning OBJ's quad injury. Totally biased bullshit remarks and just shit stirring IMO that's got no place in what's supposed to be the sports talk #1 station in the country. It was more like a tabloid show with him just making shit up.
RE: CLICK BAIT  
M.S. : 1/1/2019 7:13 pm : link
In comment 14243176 Sy'56 said:
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Precisely!
I'd consider it for a second this year and their 1 next year  
bigblue12 : 1/1/2019 7:14 pm : link
Hopefully they stink again
As Sy said probably Click bait  
Dave on the UWS : 1/1/2019 7:18 pm : link
But.... teams always listen, they would be stupid not to. They would be smart to. Beckham has now had 2 significant injuries 2 yrs in a row. Plus heís 5 yrs into his career. At some point, that little extra that made him OBJ his first 3 yrs will be gone. Hell, there may have been indications to that effect this year. His trade value is still maximum while the league still looks at him as the guy that made that catch vs Dallas. Something to think about.
Huh  
greek13 : 1/1/2019 7:20 pm : link
We are 5-11 and have 2 marquee players
Letís trade one! Brilliant
Everyone has a price  
arniefez : 1/1/2019 7:27 pm : link
the 1 & 2 this year and the 1 next year? Sold. Build an OL and a defense there is plenty of WR talent every year in the draft.
RE: The injury concern stuff is ridiculous  
FStubbs : 1/1/2019 7:28 pm : link
In comment 14243291 B in ALB said:
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He gets demolished over the middle and breaks his ankle. Then he's leg whipped in a freak play that was a clear penalty.

Yet somehow he should have avoided both injuries. He didn't, so there are injury concerns. Makes no sense.

If he had repeated non contact injuries I would join you in your concern.


The fact of the matter is, he still suffered the injuries. How many more like that can he sustain and still be the dynamic player we expect him to be?
Considering this hypothetical  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/1/2019 7:32 pm : link
"Here's a controversial statement: Would you trade Beckham, right now, for a rookie pass rusher who gives you 10 sacks a year the next 7-8 years?"

Yeah I would, in a heartbeat.

The problem is, you don't know IF that rookie #2 overall pick is gonna give you that, or anything similar. Of the 10 # 2 picks listed above, only Von Miller meets that criteria. How often does a Von Miller enter the league? More rarely than OBJ, right?

Price is already established  
Stan in LA : 1/1/2019 7:49 pm : link
Two 1's for Mack, one 1st for Cooper.

OBJ: one 1st and one 2nd would be fair.

So 49's 1 and 2 this year OR 1 this year and 1 next year.
RE: Huh  
Stan in LA : 1/1/2019 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14243312 greek13 said:
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We are 5-11 and have 2 marquee players
Letís trade one! Brilliant

No, let's keep both and go 5-11 next year too. Brilliant!
Draft Value chart  
GeoMan999 : 1/1/2019 8:00 pm : link
The 49ers 1st round pick is worth more than most NFL teamís whole draft?
This is being discussed;  
WillieYoung : 1/1/2019 8:03 pm : link
The end of life as we know it. This used to be a board for people who loved this team and had informed opinions.
No one is saying the injuries  
Dave on the UWS : 1/1/2019 8:10 pm : link
Weíre in any way his fault. They were both cheap shots. But the fact remains, injuries take away athletic talent. I didnít see that magical explosion out of him this year. Now he has this bruise or hematoma issue. At some point he will just be an excellent WR but not ďgenerational specialĒ
Trade OBJ  
JPinstripes : 1/1/2019 8:14 pm : link
to the Jets.
RE: RE: People want to trade Odell and get Mullens  
santacruzom : 1/1/2019 8:19 pm : link
In comment 14243231 Ssanders9816 said:
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When we can just get a QB with our pick.

Incredible.



Do NOT mistake Terps for ďpeopleĒ, heís just one idiot.


It's not his fault people are misunderstanding his post.
RE: This is interesting...  
crick n NC : 1/1/2019 8:20 pm : link
In comment 14243281 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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jcn...
bw in dc : 6:09 pm : link : reply
With Hopkins, I'm looking at his career. The majority of his career has been with dish rag QBs. And despite that he's still been uber-productive.



Funny how you treat Eli like a dish-rag QB until it doesn't fit the narrative of the day.


I thought the same
RE: No one is saying the injuries  
FStubbs : 1/1/2019 8:23 pm : link
In comment 14243398 Dave on the UWS said:
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Weíre in any way his fault. They were both cheap shots. But the fact remains, injuries take away athletic talent. I didnít see that magical explosion out of him this year. Now he has this bruise or hematoma issue. At some point he will just be an excellent WR but not ďgenerational specialĒ


On top of that, I don't think anyone in this topic is saying OBJ absolutely must be traded. What is being said is that there are some concerns, so if the 49ers offer a good deal (or a crazy good deal, like the #2 pick in the draft), the Giants have to consider making that deal.
RE: This is being discussed;  
Photoguy : 1/1/2019 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14243387 WillieYoung said:
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The end of life as we know it. This used to be a board for people who loved this team and had informed opinions.




I barely recognize it anymore.
RE: RE: This is interesting...  
Photoguy : 1/1/2019 8:49 pm : link
In comment 14243413 crick n NC said:
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jcn...
bw in dc : 6:09 pm : link : reply
With Hopkins, I'm looking at his career. The majority of his career has been with dish rag QBs. And despite that he's still been uber-productive.



Funny how you treat Eli like a dish-rag QB until it doesn't fit the narrative of the day.



I thought the same



+ 1
RE: RE: RE: RE: I would trade him even though he is a once in a decade talent.  
rsjem1979 : 1/1/2019 8:51 pm : link
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He is not even a once in a decade talent. Both AB and Hopkins are better than Odell. This does not take anything away from OBJ but I just laugh sometimes when people make comments like he is by far the best WR that has entered the league in a long time.

An unreal amount of talent offset by the fact that he spent too many games in the ice tub over the past two years.



Athletically/physically - OBJ is a rare breed. You have to concede that.

But I agree there are definitely better WRs than him right now. And AB and Hopkins are definitely two of them. Hopkins is out of his mind good.



Have a look at Hopkins' stats compared to OBJ's, then see if you guys still agree with that statement.

Right now, the major knock on OBJ has been injuries. He's been part of a massively dysfunctional offense throughout his career, and he's got only 3 less touchdowns than Hopkins despite having played in only 59 games to Hopkins 95.


TJ Yates. Brian Hoyer. Ryan Mallett. Ryan Fitzpatrick. Brock Osweiler. Tom Savage.

These are some of the luminaries who have thrown passes to Hopkins before Deshaun Watson came along. Watson has played 23 games.
Trade OBJ?  
Rjanyg : 1/1/2019 9:07 pm : link
Ok so trade a proven pro bowl talent so we can draft an unproven college player or 2 and take a freaking $16 Mill cap hit?

This makes zero sense.
Could  
jtfuoco : 1/1/2019 9:50 pm : link
You imagine coming out of this draft with both Williams and Josh Allen and throw in Mullins for good measure sign me up now who cares about dead money.
Cost controlled rookies are wonderful  
Mike from Ohio : 1/1/2019 10:00 pm : link
Except the ones that bust. Plenty of rookies do, even high draft picks. There is actually a dollar vaiue associated with having guys who have sustained success in the league and you need those guys on your team. Never signing a guy to a second contract is a great way to build a plucky little team, but not a contender.

Believing in nothing but cost controlled players is just as foolish as thinking you build a team through free agency. Both strategies alone are idiotic.
Re: Trade OBJ?  
JohnF : 1/1/2019 10:42 pm : link
Only if it's a swap trade...OBJ goes to SF, Jimmy Garoppolo comes here.

Why not? The '49ers still have Nick Mullens, who already is being fitted for his gold jacket!

/sarcasm
Why the hell is anyone hot for Mullens?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/1/2019 10:55 pm : link
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RE: Why the hell is anyone hot for Mullens?  
Go Terps : 1/1/2019 11:06 pm : link
In comment 14243617 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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No one's hot for him. Just a thought to throw him in any package seems to make sense.
Odell does not want to play with Eli  
elgoman : 1/1/2019 11:10 pm : link
He's clearly faking injury at this point, and teams know it, so might as well trade him if Eli is going to start.
Smoke=Fire  
GRBlue : 1/2/2019 12:27 am : link
Not just because Odell.

Offensive proved it can still put up numbers w/o him. Management likely not thrilled he missed the last 4 weeks.

I for one, wonít be shocked or upset if he goes. Any NO contract, is set in stone in this day and age.
RE: Smoke=Fire  
GRBlue : 1/2/2019 12:28 am : link
And*** NO contract. All voidable.

In comment 14243685 GRBlue said:
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Not just because Odell.

Offensive proved it can still put up numbers w/o him. Management likely not thrilled he missed the last 4 weeks.

I for one, wonít be shocked or upset if he goes. Any NO contract, is set in stone in this day and age.
Exactly what would be the cap savings?  
USAF NYG Fan : 1/2/2019 5:32 am : link
I get that the cap hit would be large but what would the Giants save through 2023 on the cap?

If I'm reading spotrac right, it would be a dead cap of $16M with only a $5M cap savings in 2019. It doesn't mention losing or saving anything in later years.

It would take this year's 1st or maybe 2nd plus next year's 1st for me at least. I would entertain it to improve two drafts with the potential to climb up further in 2020 if needed (if 49ers play better next season they can still use the pick with their own to trade up) for the heir apparent.

Otherwise, they might not get a QB to take advantage of OBJs skillset anyway. I don't see Eli still with the Giants in 2-3 years. To clarify, I think he will get sick of the talk and call it quits before then if the team doesn't decide to move on first.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I would trade him even though he is a once in a decade talent.  
jcn56 : 1/2/2019 9:45 am : link
In comment 14243462 rsjem1979 said:
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TJ Yates. Brian Hoyer. Ryan Mallett. Ryan Fitzpatrick. Brock Osweiler. Tom Savage.

These are some of the luminaries who have thrown passes to Hopkins before Deshaun Watson came along. Watson has played 23 games.


I know he hasn't had it easy either - but OBJ has been playing on an offense where he's been the only option for most of his career (pre-Barkley), on an offense that hadn't been able to do squat without him.
RE: Smoke=Fire  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/2/2019 9:49 am : link
In comment 14243685 GRBlue said:
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Not just because Odell.

Offensive proved it can still put up numbers w/o him. Management likely not thrilled he missed the last 4 weeks.

I for one, wonít be shocked or upset if he goes. Any NO contract, is set in stone in this day and age.


He didn't call out sick for the past 4 weeks. "management likely not thrilled" is a nonsense point. He had a legit injury he played through until he couldn't go.
RE: Exactly what would be the cap savings?  
ron mexico : 1/2/2019 9:52 am : link
In comment 14243706 USAF NYG Fan said:
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I get that the cap hit would be large but what would the Giants save through 2023 on the cap?

If I'm reading spotrac right, it would be a dead cap of $16M with only a $5M cap savings in 2019. It doesn't mention losing or saving anything in later years.

It would take this year's 1st or maybe 2nd plus next year's 1st for me at least. I would entertain it to improve two drafts with the potential to climb up further in 2020 if needed (if 49ers play better next season they can still use the pick with their own to trade up) for the heir apparent.

Otherwise, they might not get a QB to take advantage of OBJs skillset anyway. I don't see Eli still with the Giants in 2-3 years. To clarify, I think he will get sick of the talk and call it quits before then if the team doesn't decide to move on first.


Next year there would be no cap savings. Dead money of $16 mil vs his salary of $16 mil off the books

in all future years the team would gain the cap space equal to his salary (ignoring workout and roster bonuses for simplicity)

2020 14 mil
2021 14.5 mil
2022 13.75 mil
2023 13.75 mil



RE: RE: Smoke=Fire  
ron mexico : 1/2/2019 9:53 am : link
In comment 14243926 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Not just because Odell.

Offensive proved it can still put up numbers w/o him. Management likely not thrilled he missed the last 4 weeks.

I for one, wonít be shocked or upset if he goes. Any NO contract, is set in stone in this day and age.



He didn't call out sick for the past 4 weeks. "management likely not thrilled" is a nonsense point. He had a legit injury he played through until he couldn't go.


most likely, management didn't let him play
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: 2nd pick alone not enough  
Reale01 : 1/2/2019 12:55 pm : link
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what player is going to give what Beckham does - potential HOF wr, teams have to game plan for him. I would want more than # 2 pick.



You "hope" to get a player like Beckham with the #2 pick. I think we did this year. Someone less lazy than me can list the recent #2 picks and I don't think you would trade for many of them.



2017 - Mitch Trubisky QB
2016 - Carson Wentz QB
2015 - Marcus Mariota QB
2014 - Greg Robinson OT
2013 - Luke Joeckel OT
2012 - Robert Griffin QB
2011 - Von Miller LB
2010 - Ndamukong Suh DT
2009 - Jason Smith OT
2008 - Chris Long DE




Let me spell it out.

2018 - Saquon Barkley RB

Looks like you can get a OBJ-level talent or better with the #2 overall pick.



Like Saquon, OBJ is a once in a decade talent. Your comparison lacks sufficient data. The overall point is you donít trade proven commodities who are under contract in their prime years for lottery tickets, unless you get a Herschel Walker type deal.


Thanks Stubbs. I see your list as 50/50.

2017 - Mitch Trubisky QB ??
2016 - Carson Wentz QB ??
2015 - Marcus Mariota QB No
2014 - Greg Robinson OT Bust
2013 - Luke Joeckel OT Bust
2012 - Robert Griffin QB Injury bust
2011 - Von Miller LB Equal
2010 - Ndamukong Suh DT Yes and No
2009 - Jason Smith OT Bust
2008 - Chris Long DE Good but ... no
To all of you guys  
OC2.0 : 1/2/2019 7:40 pm : link
Who are touting trading OBj for a draft pick have you lost ur fking minds? A rookie for possibly the the best WR in the NFL? Hahaha, holy shit!
I would trade Odell to Buffalo for Josh Allen  
GeofromNJ : 1/3/2019 1:11 am : link
otherwise, he's untouchable.
Out of all the people..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/3/2019 8:18 am : link
you'd trade him for - that is who you choose??

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I would trade Odell to Buffalo for Josh Allen
GeofromNJ : 1:11 am : link : reply
otherwise, he's untouchable.


This place has lost its fucking mind.
Josh Allen looks scary incompetent at times  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/3/2019 8:45 am : link
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So what, who cares what SF would like to do  
xtian : 1/3/2019 5:38 pm : link
did you see the salary cap ramifications because of all that guaranteed $? impossible to trade OBJ now. and oh BTW, the Giants would like to trade for KC QB Mahomes.
RE: I would trade Odell to Buffalo for Josh Allen  
arcarsenal : 1/3/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14245428 GeofromNJ said:
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otherwise, he's untouchable.


Well, it's a good thing you have no control over this football team, then...
RE: I would trade Odell to Buffalo for Josh Allen  
B in ALB : 1/3/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14245428 GeofromNJ said:
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otherwise, he's untouchable.


Ya smoke Crack, don't ya?
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