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| If New York Giants receiver Odell Beckham Jr. is put on the trading block, the San Francisco 49ers will be interested in a potential deal, according to Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk. The 49ers reportedly considered a deal for Beckham last offseason and remain interested heading into 2019. |
Here is what matters.
1. If they trade him in time for the 2019 draft, hes going to incur a 16 mil cap hit. Thats literally more money than it takes to sign an entire draft class unavailable to the franchise. Heck, its arguably two draft classes. Plus youve lost the immense impact of OBJs talent.
2. Im sure the number two overall pick would interest the Giants, but it would cost them everything outlined in point one.
3. Trading him after June 1 would not be desireable because you have no idea where the 49ers will pick in 2020. Just ask the Raiders about that pick they got from the Bears for the best pass rusher in the NFL. Is OBJ worth a couple of picks in the 20s? One in 2020 and one in 2021. Nope, hes worth more.
4. I love OBJ, just about everyone here knows that. Ive always enjoyed following WRs in the NFL and hes the best Ive seen since Rice. Yeah, I think some of you guys are way too sensitive and are easily manipulated by clickbait stories. BUT ALL THAT SAID...this is a business and if there is a scenario where trading OBJ makes the NY Football Giants better sooner rather than later, then you do it. What that looks like is pretty much what the team said last offseason. Two first round picks, plus more. That probably means a player or two as well.
Do I think the Giants could trade OBJ? Yeah, they could. But only if they are blown away, if it makes the team overall better at the end of it, and if it doesnt cost them more than it takes to sign an entire draft class (or two).
So yeah it COULD happen. But probably not until 2020 at the earliest.
bw in dc : 6:09 pm : link : reply
With Hopkins, I'm looking at his career. The majority of his career has been with dish rag QBs. And despite that he's still been uber-productive.
Funny how you treat Eli like a dish-rag QB until it doesn't fit the narrative of the day.
Shirley...you can't be serious.
And dont call me Shirley😁
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The same old trade rumors. Beat writers have nothing else to do but take trade speculation.
Who would have thought?
I'm sure the blowhard Boomer will be pouring gas on this speculation all off season long. Hell he's already started with his yearly rant against him and saying they need to trade him. This will only add to his obnoxiousness.
He was already doing it yesterday, saying Cleveland should trade for him.
Shirley...you can't be serious.
Nick Mullens....lol
Draft picks aren't just about adding talent. They're about not having to pay a premium for that talent for years.
Think about our first round pick (6th overall). What would we want back for that in trade? If we traded it for the highest paid WR in the league, who hasn't played a full season in a couple years, BBI would flip.
Well, yeah. Which is why if SF were to offer the #2 pick in the draft for Beckham we take the trade and run.
I think Beckham is a great player. It is not easy to find a player like him. However, I do have injury concerns about him, and as we've seen on the field almost every year he's been in the league, he's a shiny hood ornament if the team isn't strong on the lines.
Here's a controversial statement: Would you trade Beckham, right now, for a rookie pass rusher who gives you 10 sacks a year the next 7-8 years?
Yet somehow he should have avoided both injuries. He didn't, so there are injury concerns. Makes no sense.
If he had repeated non contact injuries I would join you in your concern.
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That's 5 years of cost control for what should be an elite player. Think about the players drafted in that area last year. You think the Jets trade Darnold, Denver trades us Chubb, or Indy trades us Nelson for Beckham straight up? They'd laugh us off the phone.
Draft picks aren't just about adding talent. They're about not having to pay a premium for that talent for years.
Think about our first round pick (6th overall). What would we want back for that in trade? If we traded it for the highest paid WR in the league, who hasn't played a full season in a couple years, BBI would flip.
Well, yeah. Which is why if SF were to offer the #2 pick in the draft for Beckham we take the trade and run.
I think Beckham is a great player. It is not easy to find a player like him. However, I do have injury concerns about him, and as we've seen on the field almost every year he's been in the league, he's a shiny hood ornament if the team isn't strong on the lines.
Here's a controversial statement: Would you trade Beckham, right now, for a rookie pass rusher who gives you 10 sacks a year the next 7-8 years?
Without thinking twice.
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The same old trade rumors. Beat writers have nothing else to do but take trade speculation.
Who would have thought?
I'm sure the blowhard Boomer will be pouring gas on this speculation all off season long. Hell he's already started with his yearly rant against him and saying they need to trade him. This will only add to his obnoxiousness.
He was already doing it yesterday, saying Cleveland should trade for him.
Yup he was but it was great to hear Phil have OBJ's back and say no way should they trade him, and he'd have no problem playing with him.
I think Phil's tied in way closer to the Giants than Boomer ever will hope to be and he didn't sound the slightest bit concerned about OBJ or the Giants feelings towards him.
I also thought asshole Boomer was way out of line questioning OBJ's quad injury. Totally biased bullshit remarks and just shit stirring IMO that's got no place in what's supposed to be the sports talk #1 station in the country. It was more like a tabloid show with him just making shit up.
Precisely!
Lets trade one! Brilliant
Yet somehow he should have avoided both injuries. He didn't, so there are injury concerns. Makes no sense.
If he had repeated non contact injuries I would join you in your concern.
The fact of the matter is, he still suffered the injuries. How many more like that can he sustain and still be the dynamic player we expect him to be?
Yeah I would, in a heartbeat.
The problem is, you don't know IF that rookie #2 overall pick is gonna give you that, or anything similar. Of the 10 # 2 picks listed above, only Von Miller meets that criteria. How often does a Von Miller enter the league? More rarely than OBJ, right?
OBJ: one 1st and one 2nd would be fair.
So 49's 1 and 2 this year OR 1 this year and 1 next year.
Lets trade one! Brilliant
No, let's keep both and go 5-11 next year too. Brilliant!
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When we can just get a QB with our pick.
Incredible.
Do NOT mistake Terps for people, hes just one idiot.
It's not his fault people are misunderstanding his post.
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bw in dc : 6:09 pm : link : reply
With Hopkins, I'm looking at his career. The majority of his career has been with dish rag QBs. And despite that he's still been uber-productive.
Funny how you treat Eli like a dish-rag QB until it doesn't fit the narrative of the day.
I thought the same
On top of that, I don't think anyone in this topic is saying OBJ absolutely must be traded. What is being said is that there are some concerns, so if the 49ers offer a good deal (or a crazy good deal, like the #2 pick in the draft), the Giants have to consider making that deal.
I barely recognize it anymore.
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bw in dc : 6:09 pm : link : reply
With Hopkins, I'm looking at his career. The majority of his career has been with dish rag QBs. And despite that he's still been uber-productive.
Funny how you treat Eli like a dish-rag QB until it doesn't fit the narrative of the day.
I thought the same
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He is not even a once in a decade talent. Both AB and Hopkins are better than Odell. This does not take anything away from OBJ but I just laugh sometimes when people make comments like he is by far the best WR that has entered the league in a long time.
An unreal amount of talent offset by the fact that he spent too many games in the ice tub over the past two years.
Athletically/physically - OBJ is a rare breed. You have to concede that.
But I agree there are definitely better WRs than him right now. And AB and Hopkins are definitely two of them. Hopkins is out of his mind good.
Have a look at Hopkins' stats compared to OBJ's, then see if you guys still agree with that statement.
Right now, the major knock on OBJ has been injuries. He's been part of a massively dysfunctional offense throughout his career, and he's got only 3 less touchdowns than Hopkins despite having played in only 59 games to Hopkins 95.
TJ Yates. Brian Hoyer. Ryan Mallett. Ryan Fitzpatrick. Brock Osweiler. Tom Savage.
These are some of the luminaries who have thrown passes to Hopkins before Deshaun Watson came along. Watson has played 23 games.
This makes zero sense.
Believing in nothing but cost controlled players is just as foolish as thinking you build a team through free agency. Both strategies alone are idiotic.
Why not? The '49ers still have Nick Mullens, who already is being fitted for his gold jacket!
/sarcasm
No one's hot for him. Just a thought to throw him in any package seems to make sense.
Offensive proved it can still put up numbers w/o him. Management likely not thrilled he missed the last 4 weeks.
I for one, wont be shocked or upset if he goes. Any NO contract, is set in stone in this day and age.
In comment 14243685 GRBlue said:
Offensive proved it can still put up numbers w/o him. Management likely not thrilled he missed the last 4 weeks.
I for one, wont be shocked or upset if he goes. Any NO contract, is set in stone in this day and age.
If I'm reading spotrac right, it would be a dead cap of $16M with only a $5M cap savings in 2019. It doesn't mention losing or saving anything in later years.
It would take this year's 1st or maybe 2nd plus next year's 1st for me at least. I would entertain it to improve two drafts with the potential to climb up further in 2020 if needed (if 49ers play better next season they can still use the pick with their own to trade up) for the heir apparent.
Otherwise, they might not get a QB to take advantage of OBJs skillset anyway. I don't see Eli still with the Giants in 2-3 years. To clarify, I think he will get sick of the talk and call it quits before then if the team doesn't decide to move on first.
TJ Yates. Brian Hoyer. Ryan Mallett. Ryan Fitzpatrick. Brock Osweiler. Tom Savage.
These are some of the luminaries who have thrown passes to Hopkins before Deshaun Watson came along. Watson has played 23 games.
I know he hasn't had it easy either - but OBJ has been playing on an offense where he's been the only option for most of his career (pre-Barkley), on an offense that hadn't been able to do squat without him.
Offensive proved it can still put up numbers w/o him. Management likely not thrilled he missed the last 4 weeks.
I for one, wont be shocked or upset if he goes. Any NO contract, is set in stone in this day and age.
He didn't call out sick for the past 4 weeks. "management likely not thrilled" is a nonsense point. He had a legit injury he played through until he couldn't go.
If I'm reading spotrac right, it would be a dead cap of $16M with only a $5M cap savings in 2019. It doesn't mention losing or saving anything in later years.
It would take this year's 1st or maybe 2nd plus next year's 1st for me at least. I would entertain it to improve two drafts with the potential to climb up further in 2020 if needed (if 49ers play better next season they can still use the pick with their own to trade up) for the heir apparent.
Otherwise, they might not get a QB to take advantage of OBJs skillset anyway. I don't see Eli still with the Giants in 2-3 years. To clarify, I think he will get sick of the talk and call it quits before then if the team doesn't decide to move on first.
Next year there would be no cap savings. Dead money of $16 mil vs his salary of $16 mil off the books
in all future years the team would gain the cap space equal to his salary (ignoring workout and roster bonuses for simplicity)
2020 14 mil
2021 14.5 mil
2022 13.75 mil
2023 13.75 mil
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Not just because Odell.
Offensive proved it can still put up numbers w/o him. Management likely not thrilled he missed the last 4 weeks.
I for one, wont be shocked or upset if he goes. Any NO contract, is set in stone in this day and age.
He didn't call out sick for the past 4 weeks. "management likely not thrilled" is a nonsense point. He had a legit injury he played through until he couldn't go.
most likely, management didn't let him play
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what player is going to give what Beckham does - potential HOF wr, teams have to game plan for him. I would want more than # 2 pick.
You "hope" to get a player like Beckham with the #2 pick. I think we did this year. Someone less lazy than me can list the recent #2 picks and I don't think you would trade for many of them.
2017 - Mitch Trubisky QB
2016 - Carson Wentz QB
2015 - Marcus Mariota QB
2014 - Greg Robinson OT
2013 - Luke Joeckel OT
2012 - Robert Griffin QB
2011 - Von Miller LB
2010 - Ndamukong Suh DT
2009 - Jason Smith OT
2008 - Chris Long DE
Let me spell it out.
2018 - Saquon Barkley RB
Looks like you can get a OBJ-level talent or better with the #2 overall pick.
Like Saquon, OBJ is a once in a decade talent. Your comparison lacks sufficient data. The overall point is you dont trade proven commodities who are under contract in their prime years for lottery tickets, unless you get a Herschel Walker type deal.
Thanks Stubbs. I see your list as 50/50.
2017 - Mitch Trubisky QB ??
2016 - Carson Wentz QB ??
2015 - Marcus Mariota QB No
2014 - Greg Robinson OT Bust
2013 - Luke Joeckel OT Bust
2012 - Robert Griffin QB Injury bust
2011 - Von Miller LB Equal
2010 - Ndamukong Suh DT Yes and No
2009 - Jason Smith OT Bust
2008 - Chris Long DE Good but ... no
GeofromNJ : 1:11 am : link : reply
otherwise, he's untouchable.
This place has lost its fucking mind.
Well, it's a good thing you have no control over this football team, then...
Ya smoke Crack, don't ya?