I thought I'd start a new thread for this game since I'm sure a lot of us want to see Haskins. Also, The Snake is 'retiring' after this game to teach leadership courses in Columbus.
Would like to see how he does under pressure with an opposing pass rush.
^This. A lot of the time it looks like pitch and catch for him. But he has a rocket arm, is accurate, and can scramble. Somebody will draft him in the first round based on his physical attributes, the thin crop of QBs, and the fact that QBs are usually overdrafted.
Has an elite arm and is incredibly accurate. Two great attributes.
But it is kind of difficult imo to get a full read on him due to the loaded OSU roster. Rarely under pressure and his receivers are usually better athletes than the defenders.
That says "Rose Bowl Game..." is making me hear Paulie over and over again from Rocky IV. "How am I gonna watch the Rose Bowl game? They bettah have my comics!"
The Huskies have the 12th ranked defense in country Â
but you never going to get a good read on this guy with the amount of time he gets to throw the ball. Can we take the whole OL with our 1st pick. How about the Wisconsin OL with the first pick.
RE: RE: The Huskies have the 12th ranked defense in country Â
How many years do you expect us to be picking top 10? I’m sick of hearing how all we need to do is put an offensive line around Eli Manning. It’s time to move on.
but you never going to get a good read on this guy with the amount of time he gets to throw the ball. Can we take the whole OL with our 1st pick. How about the Wisconsin OL with the first pick.
My only knock is that he gets rattled a bit when under pressure. The kid is crazy talented though. I find it funny when people have watched a game or two or maybe only a couple of throws and they dismiss the kid completely. I’d certainly have no problem if he was there at 6 and we took him.
and just as accurate. Neither guy will have the luxury of playing games with superior talent that Alabama and Ohio St have on offense. These guys have big stats that may not translate to the NFL.
My only knock is that he gets rattled a bit when under pressure. The kid is crazy talented though. I find it funny when people have watched a game or two or maybe only a couple of throws and they dismiss the kid completely. I’d certainly have no problem if he was there at 6 and we took him.
but how do you evaluate this guy? Sy! What is your take?
I still have a ways to go on evaluating Haskins. QBs require extra work and I usually wait until after the season is over.
My initial gut reaction: Not a top 10 guy. But yes, a guy you can win with. And to some people, that warrants top 10 because of the position. I just think there is so much raw-ness to him. Occasional sloppiness. Inconsistent lower body mechanics. And I need to get some more background info on him (intangibles/passion/leadership)
For me, I'm merely pointing out how comfortable he has it in that OSU offense. Thus, it's hard to say how much is their success the scheme and how much is Haskins.
Albeit not as talented, look at JD Barrett's stats last year for OSU. They were tremendous, and he was considered a long shot NFL prospect.
but how do you evaluate this guy? Sy! What is your take?
I still have a ways to go on evaluating Haskins. QBs require extra work and I usually wait until after the season is over.
My initial gut reaction: Not a top 10 guy. But yes, a guy you can win with. And to some people, that warrants top 10 because of the position. I just think there is so much raw-ness to him. Occasional sloppiness. Inconsistent lower body mechanics. And I need to get some more background info on him (intangibles/passion/leadership)
Thanks Sy! Looking forward to your complete evaluation.
For me, I'm merely pointing out how comfortable he has it in that OSU offense. Thus, it's hard to say how much is their success the scheme and how much is Haskins.
Albeit not as talented, look at JD Barrett's stats last year for OSU. They were tremendous, and he was considered a long shot NFL prospect.
For me, I'm merely pointing out how comfortable he has it in that OSU offense. Thus, it's hard to say how much is their success the scheme and how much is Haskins.
Albeit not as talented, look at JD Barrett's stats last year for OSU. They were tremendous, and he was considered a long shot NFL prospect.
I think the Giants should be moving towards an offense that features Barkley as the Rams did Marshall Faulk.
I think those attributes could be well suited, like Kurt Warner, for that type of offense
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For me, I'm merely pointing out how comfortable he has it in that OSU offense. Thus, it's hard to say how much is their success the scheme and how much is Haskins.
Albeit not as talented, look at JD Barrett's stats last year for OSU. They were tremendous, and he was considered a long shot NFL prospect.
Barkley is going to be a great offensive player for us for many years to come, but what current modern NFL team is successful with just an RB. We need a lethal passing game to go along with it. A QB with semi mobility would be nice as well.
has done a very good job reading the coverages, and looking off safeties. Of course, he has enormous amounts of time to do so, but it's still noteworthy.
Because your bullshit is boring at this point. What me and bw have said about Haskins is the same thing we have said all year about him. This game is nothing different from the year.
No grow up and get a fucking life. Must suck to be this miserable all the time.
And if you think me and bw agree on anything other than this than your dumber than I thought.
He is 39. He has 1 year left on his contract. These are facts. We will have to move on
Why can’t people get Eli’s age correct. He turns 38 this week. Why do you say he is 39? Even in the offseason and during the season we had Giants fans saying he’s 38, 39 years old. Even beat writers - Matt Lombardo - stated that before Christmas Eli was 38. I don’t know why this is so hard for people to grasp. And I’m not even the staunchest Eli supporter.
Haskins looks good - I'm very interested in seeing how he fares Â
in the private workouts and combine. Thats where the rubber really meets the road. Any questions on mechanics, accuracy, etc. will be flushed out then, and thats when you see guys rise and/or fall.
I like the Duke guy too though. In my dreams we can get one of them in the 2nd.
RE: Haskins looks good - I'm very interested in seeing how he fares Â
in the private workouts and combine. Thats where the rubber really meets the road. Any questions on mechanics, accuracy, etc. will be flushed out then, and thats when you see guys rise and/or fall.
I like the Duke guy too though. In my dreams we can get one of them in the 2nd.
You are not getting one of them in the second, so stop with the nonsense. It's likely neither falls out of the top 10. Haskins is probably going top 5. I can't stop you from dreaming, but the Giants are not getting Haskins in the second.
You people are all waiting for the perfect prospect. Sy - he's going top 10 - you can lock that in.
He may not be perfect, he may not have started 50 games in college. But he throws accurately at all levels, has mobility, and works through progressions. So he has to work on some things and is not a finished product. That means you pass on him? That is a ridiculous evaluation method. Every prospect has something to work on.
You people are all waiting for the perfect prospect. Sy - he's going top 10 - you can lock that in.
He may not be perfect, he may not have started 50 games in college. But he throws accurately at all levels, has mobility, and works through progressions. So he has to work on some things and is not a finished product. That means you pass on him? That is a ridiculous evaluation method. Every prospect has something to work on.
If he comes out, I agree he is going top 10.
Question is, do I think I can get a better prospect later? Next year? It's not just about being worthy or not. It's about, do you like someone better?
RE: RE: This thread doesn’t need to be about Eli Â
He is 39. He has 1 year left on his contract. These are facts. We will have to move on
Why can’t people get Eli’s age correct. He turns 38 this week. Why do you say he is 39? Even in the offseason and during the season we had Giants fans saying he’s 38, 39 years old. Even beat writers - Matt Lombardo - stated that before Christmas Eli was 38. I don’t know why this is so hard for people to grasp. And I’m not even the staunchest Eli supporter.
Getting a QB in top 10 is VERY MUCH about how hard he works. His approach to the game and life. Most never get access to that information, but it is vital.
Getting a QB in top 10 is VERY MUCH about how hard he works. His approach to the game and life. Most never get access to that information, but it is vital.
Great point
Haskins would be a great pick if the Ohio State oline comes with him! Â
Is the 4th, 5th best QB on the board in 2020 better then the first QB on the board in 2019?
Shouldn’t that be the question?
If the Giants do not QB now- it has to be because you think you can compete for the playoffs next season and therefore you will have a pick at least in the 15-20 range.
What QB can you get in 2020 at that spot? Will they be a better prospect then Haskins or LOck or Jones?
It’s simoly not possible to think you are better with Eli in 2019 and you will have a shot at Tua or Fromm in 2020. Those 2 things don’t go together.
You people are all waiting for the perfect prospect. Sy - he's going top 10 - you can lock that in.
He may not be perfect, he may not have started 50 games in college. But he throws accurately at all levels, has mobility, and works through progressions. So he has to work on some things and is not a finished product. That means you pass on him? That is a ridiculous evaluation method. Every prospect has something to work on.
If he comes out, I agree he is going top 10.
Question is, do I think I can get a better prospect later? Next year? It's not just about being worthy or not. It's about, do you like someone better?
RE: I Honestly Don't Know What More You Want to See Â
You people are all waiting for the perfect prospect. Sy - he's going top 10 - you can lock that in.
He may not be perfect, he may not have started 50 games in college. But he throws accurately at all levels, has mobility, and works through progressions. So he has to work on some things and is not a finished product. That means you pass on him? That is a ridiculous evaluation method. Every prospect has something to work on.
Just chill out. There is a long way to go on all teams evaluating QB's, and you really don't have a clue what you are talking about.
No, I can't guarantee that. But I would never want to settle on someone just because I am picking at the top of the draft. Especially when there are some ELITE level pass rushers. Don't forget, those are awfully important too and NYG is naked there. I don't want to game the system, too much of your control. But I am just so against picking a QB high because "you're supposed to". That has gotten a lot of teams in trouble AND the best QBs in the NFL have NOT been taken in the top 10.
I'm not saying Haskins fits in to that equation, I am just talking about principle. I'll have my grade on Haskins in March.
You people are all waiting for the perfect prospect. Sy - he's going top 10 - you can lock that in.
He may not be perfect, he may not have started 50 games in college. But he throws accurately at all levels, has mobility, and works through progressions. So he has to work on some things and is not a finished product. That means you pass on him? That is a ridiculous evaluation method. Every prospect has something to work on.
Just chill out. There is a long way to go on all teams evaluating QB's, and you really don't have a clue what you are talking about.
No, you don't have a clue what you are talking about, if you think one of these guys is falling to the second round. Do you see what Haskins is doing to one of the best secondaries in all of college football? And you think he might fall to the second round?
haskins is a player. even before this game he has been solid. he throws with good accuracy and can def move some to extend plays. this washington defense is pretty damn good too. you have to like haskins.
if yo udont want him at 6, slide backk into late first for jones if he is there, i tyhink he is gonna be a solid pro too
If too much time to throw is a knock on Haskins, why are we enamored with Tua?
He’s looked human against good defenses.
Washington is dropping 7 and 8, of course he’s going to have time.
I've been wondering this same thing. Seems many are enamoured with Tua but knock Haskins. Anyone willing to chime in how their situations are different or how their traits/skills are significantly different? I'm personally worried about Tua's durability.
If too much time to throw is a knock on Haskins, why are we enamored with Tua?
He’s looked human against good defenses.
Washington is dropping 7 and 8, of course he’s going to have time.
I've been wondering this same thing. Seems many are enamoured with Tua but knock Haskins. Anyone willing to chime in how their situations are different or how their traits/skills are significantly different? I'm personally worried about Tua's durability.
Peyton, Elway, and the immortal Trent Dilfer are the only QB top 10 picks to win a SB in the last 18-20 years. Dilfer is obviously an outlier in that group.
Flacco, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Warner, Brad Johnson all taken outside top 10 in Round 1 and later.
Trent Dilfer was taken 6th in his draft year. Just saying (not to scare anyone).
There is no way anyone can get a read on this guy Â
when he gets absolutely no pressure and has all day to look around to find a wr. Dak Prescott looked with the Cowboys a couple of seasons ago when he had all day to throw and now doesn't look all that great. Great Arm good accuracy but I wouldn't touch him with the sixth pick. Without seeing this guy play with pressure its nothing more than a crap shoot.
As far as we can tell he’s got the physical talent. What gives me pause is his lack of experience. There’s a long way to go before April. Jones looked great too in his bowl game. Guys emerge every year. The winter will be interesting around here.
Peyton, Elway, and the immortal Trent Dilfer are the only QB top 10 picks to win a SB in the last 18-20 years. Dilfer is obviously an outlier in that group.
Flacco, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Warner, Brad Johnson all taken outside top 10 in Round 1 and later.
Trent Dilfer was taken 6th in his draft year. Just saying (not to scare anyone).
You're right. We should probably pick QBs at 199 or scoop them up as UDFAs and hope that they turn out to be like Brady or Warner. We picked a QB (Webb) in the third round and another (Lauletta) in the fourth, but amazingly those picks have not resulted in titles.
RE: I know there’s Rose Bowl conference tradition Â
But this game should be Ohio State versus Georgia. This is a talent mismatch and that could be a great game to decide the best of the playoff snubs.
Was saying the same thing. Even if they stuck with a 4 team playoff there is no reason the bowls can’t then be 5 vs 6 and 7 vs 8. The actual bowl rules are ridiculous.
If he didn't last year - for a Rb in a perceived historic qb class - he isn't this year. I'm not worried. We will get a pass rusher.
And on Sunshine - yes he looked great against Notre Dame as he has all year .... but that haircut is a red flag man... and in all seriousness, for teams to be willing to tank and go 0-16 for him .,, does anyone have a read on his work ethic, ability to thrive under stress, deficit, media, his passion for gameplanning, etc?
That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.
Nonsense. The best four regular season teams got in. Sometimes NFL playoff games end in blowouts too.
I also think far too much time elapses between final game and playoffs in college. ND was flat and overwhelmed by the moment all night... four weeks between games played a part in that.
No, I can't guarantee that. But I would never want to settle on someone just because I am picking at the top of the draft. Especially when there are some ELITE level pass rushers. Don't forget, those are awfully important too and NYG is naked there. I don't want to game the system, too much of your control. But I am just so against picking a QB high because "you're supposed to". That has gotten a lot of teams in trouble AND the best QBs in the NFL have NOT been taken in the top 10.
I'm not saying Haskins fits in to that equation, I am just talking about principle. I'll have my grade on Haskins in March.
The best QBs haven’t been taken in the top 10? Sure Rodgers, Brees and Wilson weren’t, but look around the league at the young crop who are working their way toward the top of the league.
Cam, Stafford and Ryan have been very good QBs and taken in the top 5. Yes there’s elite pass rushers but if they think Haskins is a good enough NFL QB you take him. You can’t predict where you end up in future drafts and if you end up in the teens you’ve screwed yourself either by missing out or trading a bunch of picks for a QB. Conversely if you take Haskins and he has a good year one but you still end up high, you’re getting a kings ransom for the pick.
RE: Gettleman is not reaching for a Qb this year Â
If he didn't last year - for a Rb in a perceived historic qb class - he isn't this year. I'm not worried. We will get a pass rusher.
And on Sunshine - yes he looked great against Notre Dame as he has all year .... but that haircut is a red flag man... and in all seriousness, for teams to be willing to tank and go 0-16 for him .,, does anyone have a read on his work ethic, ability to thrive under stress, deficit, media, his passion for gameplanning, etc?
Lawrence will be a Luck-caliber QB prospect. Everything is top tier, on and off the field.
No, I can't guarantee that. But I would never want to settle on someone just because I am picking at the top of the draft. Especially when there are some ELITE level pass rushers. Don't forget, those are awfully important too and NYG is naked there. I don't want to game the system, too much of your control. But I am just so against picking a QB high because "you're supposed to". That has gotten a lot of teams in trouble AND the best QBs in the NFL have NOT been taken in the top 10.
I'm not saying Haskins fits in to that equation, I am just talking about principle. I'll have my grade on Haskins in March.
The best QBs haven’t been taken in the top 10? Sure Rodgers, Brees and Wilson weren’t, but look around the league at the young crop who are working their way toward the top of the league.
Cam, Stafford and Ryan have been very good QBs and taken in the top 5. Yes there’s elite pass rushers but if they think Haskins is a good enough NFL QB you take him. You can’t predict where you end up in future drafts and if you end up in the teens you’ve screwed yourself either by missing out or trading a bunch of picks for a QB. Conversely if you take Haskins and he has a good year one but you still end up high, you’re getting a kings ransom for the pick.
Just a personal rule. I have to see a guy do it for 2 years before I say "one of the best in the game". Remember Alex Smith looked pretty freaking good playing in that KC offense too. So yes, a few of your names are valid. I'm not saying just wait no matter what, I am simply stating you don't HAVE to get your QB in the top 10 in order to get an elite/very good QB.
Tom Brady. Drew Brees. Aaron Rodgers. Russell Wilson. Derek Carr. Dak Prescott. Jimmy Garroppolo (maybe). Kirk Cousins (maybe).
That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.
Nonsense. The best four regular season teams got in. Sometimes NFL playoff games end in blowouts too.
I also think far too much time elapses between final game and playoffs in college. ND was flat and overwhelmed by the moment all night... four weeks between games played a part in that.
Well I think Georgia was one of the four best teams in the regular season. Better than OU or OSU but the committee thought otherwise and I understand why they went the way they did.
I think Georgia will show how good they are again tonight.
between those with $$$ to spend on resources in CFB and those who don't, will dictate more shit games like this one going forward.
And at QB, the only one who checks the boxes is Jones. He's another Cutcliffe product, probably one of the very few in the draft that has been taught to process the amount of information an NFL QB will need.
That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.
Nonsense. The best four regular season teams got in. Sometimes NFL playoff games end in blowouts too.
I also think far too much time elapses between final game and playoffs in college. ND was flat and overwhelmed by the moment all night... four weeks between games played a part in that.
haskins is a player. even before this game he has been solid. he throws with good accuracy and can def move some to extend plays. this washington defense is pretty damn good too. you have to like haskins.
if yo udont want him at 6, slide backk into late first for jones if he is there, i tyhink he is gonna be a solid pro too
But that 30 3 score wasn't indicative of this ND team. A lot went wrong late in the 2nd quarter. Not saying they're up there with Clemson (obviously) or Bama, but they're a top team.
between those with $$$ to spend on resources in CFB and those who don't, will dictate more shit games like this one going forward.
And at QB, the only one who checks the boxes is Jones. He's another Cutcliffe product, probably one of the very few in the draft that has been taught to process the amount of information an NFL QB will need.
His red flag should only be medical/durability.
I think the Cutcliffe connection is over blown.
Six quarterbacks whom Cutcliffe coached in college have gone on to play in the NFL: Heath Shuler, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Erik Ainge, Thaddeus Lewis, and Sean Renfree.
When you take out the Mannings, who were probably going to be good QBs no matter what, the list is very unimpressive.
RE: There is no way anyone can get a read on this guy Â
when he gets absolutely no pressure and has all day to look around to find a wr. Dak Prescott looked with the Cowboys a couple of seasons ago when he had all day to throw and now doesn't look all that great. Great Arm good accuracy but I wouldn't touch him with the sixth pick. Without seeing this guy play with pressure its nothing more than a crap shoot.
How do most QB’s look with pressure. You can’t evaluate him because he doesn’t get pressured? Really
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when he gets absolutely no pressure and has all day to look around to find a wr. Dak Prescott looked with the Cowboys a couple of seasons ago when he had all day to throw and now doesn't look all that great. Great Arm good accuracy but I wouldn't touch him with the sixth pick. Without seeing this guy play with pressure its nothing more than a crap shoot.
You have to stop with this Bullshit.
Your post goes UNDERNEATH the quote so people know wtf you're replying to!
If he didn't last year - for a Rb in a perceived historic qb class - he isn't this year. I'm not worried. We will get a pass rusher.
And on Sunshine - yes he looked great against Notre Dame as he has all year .... but that haircut is a red flag man... and in all seriousness, for teams to be willing to tank and go 0-16 for him .,, does anyone have a read on his work ethic, ability to thrive under stress, deficit, media, his passion for gameplanning, etc?
Lawrence will be a Luck-caliber QB prospect. Everything is top tier, on and off the field.
That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.
Nonsense. The best four regular season teams got in. Sometimes NFL playoff games end in blowouts too.
I also think far too much time elapses between final game and playoffs in college. ND was flat and overwhelmed by the moment all night... four weeks between games played a part in that.
Well I think Georgia was one of the four best teams in the regular season. Better than OU or OSU but the committee thought otherwise and I understand why they went the way they did.
I think Georgia will show how good they are again tonight.
See, I put no weight on how they perform tonight against a mediocre Texas team. Bowls are pageantry for the most part - a month between games, little motivation, pro prospects skip games, etc
They lost two games in a year 7 teams lost 0 or 1. The SEC east was weak. Their out of conference schedule was laughable. Only quality win all year was Florida on a neutral field.
They should be top 4 ... on paper they are... but aside from playing Alabama close but no cigar... they needed to do more.
Next year they at least have notre Dame on their OOC and the sec east should be better
That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.
Nonsense. The best four regular season teams got in. Sometimes NFL playoff games end in blowouts too.
I also think far too much time elapses between final game and playoffs in college. ND was flat and overwhelmed by the moment all night... four weeks between games played a part in that.
I think OSU beats Oklahoma.
I think they could too but I wouldn't bet on it. After seeing what Purdue and Maryland put up on them, I'd be inclined to think OU would do at least the same and I'm not sure OSU could keep up.
I think it would be a fun game to see though, but I also think Georgia would beat both.
That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.
Then they shouldn't have given up a combined 100 points to Purdue and Maryland.
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In NCAA Football, where offense rules the day, I don’t care if you give up a 100 points. These teams start copycatting offensive philosophies and spread uptempo RPO teams score on most defenses.
It happens.
OU played real poorly against Army. They didn’t give up a ton of points but they should have mopped the floor with them if they were anywhere in Bama’s league.
Ohio State is a known commodity with the talent and depth to match Bama. I hate making this argument, but it’s true.
Peyton, Elway, and the immortal Trent Dilfer are the only QB top 10 picks to win a SB in the last 18-20 years. Dilfer is obviously an outlier in that group.
Flacco, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Warner, Brad Johnson all taken outside top 10 in Round 1 and later.
Trent Dilfer was taken 6th in his draft year. Just saying (not to scare anyone).
It’s a much different game now than it was. I think you will see more and more QBs going top 10 as the rules favor safety more and more. The rules have drastically increased the value of QBs.
How do most QB’s look with pressure. You can’t evaluate him because he doesn’t get pressured? Really
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when he gets absolutely no pressure and has all day to look around to find a wr. Dak Prescott looked with the Cowboys a couple of seasons ago when he had all day to throw and now doesn't look all that great. Great Arm good accuracy but I wouldn't touch him with the sixth pick. Without seeing this guy play with pressure its nothing more than a crap shoot.
You have to stop with this Bullshit.
Your post goes UNDERNEATH the quote so people know wtf you're replying to!
Can you not read either way? You’re fucking ridiculous.
How do most QB’s look with pressure. You can’t evaluate him because he doesn’t get pressured? Really
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when he gets absolutely no pressure and has all day to look around to find a wr. Dak Prescott looked with the Cowboys a couple of seasons ago when he had all day to throw and now doesn't look all that great. Great Arm good accuracy but I wouldn't touch him with the sixth pick. Without seeing this guy play with pressure its nothing more than a crap shoot.
You have to stop with this Bullshit.
Your post goes UNDERNEATH the quote so people know wtf you're replying to!
Can you not read either way? You’re fucking ridiculous.
Nah dude your acting like a total jackass. Just chill out. The good thing is you figured it out and we can understand what your trying to say now.
if you stop them 3 and out they kick a field goal and it's still a 2 score game.
These guys are getting paid millions of dollars. You can't fuck up like that. Call a timeout and then punt, down 2 scores with 4 minutes to go. Horrendous
How do most QB’s look with pressure. You can’t evaluate him because he doesn’t get pressured? Really
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when he gets absolutely no pressure and has all day to look around to find a wr. Dak Prescott looked with the Cowboys a couple of seasons ago when he had all day to throw and now doesn't look all that great. Great Arm good accuracy but I wouldn't touch him with the sixth pick. Without seeing this guy play with pressure its nothing more than a crap shoot.
You have to stop with this Bullshit.
Your post goes UNDERNEATH the quote so people know wtf you're replying to!
Can you not read either way? You’re fucking ridiculous.
Nah dude your acting like a total jackass. Just chill out. The good thing is you figured it out and we can understand what your trying to say now.
Just relax and have a civil convo.
You want me to be civil while you’re bitching about my formatting and calling me a jackass right. Fuck off.
after 3 quarters. We may have played like shit on offense.... but is that not a winnable game? Even if you take account their FG into the 4th. It was 13-6. One score game with the ball in the 4th.
That is the utter definition of close/winnable game.
Shit you're a moron sometimes, Stan. I admire your consistency in terms of sticking with your opinions no matter what.
But the Pac-12 and west coast football are jokes right now. A three win Washington team gets the Rose Bowl because of conference affiliation. Nothing else.
I’ve been more impressed today with Browning more than Haskins.
Has made more positive plays under duress with an undermanned offensive personnel.
Browning was terrible. We get it, Haskins has great talent around him. Now you’ve just taken this narrative too far
bw in dc is a trip. Whatever QB plays with the least amount of talent, he’s his guy. If a QB plays on a talented team, he surely sucks and shouldn’t be drafted until the 3rd round.
I’ve been more impressed today with Browning more than Haskins.
Has made more positive plays under duress with an undermanned offensive personnel.
Browning was terrible. We get it, Haskins has great talent around him. Now you’ve just taken this narrative too far
I think you’re reading my intentions wrong. Not really trying to pile on Haskins even more.
In this game only, I think Browning hung in there under constant pressure and made some nice plays to keep Washington in the game. And that’s with his receivers having some big drops.
Haskins made a few plays early and was very quiet in the second half.
And Dutch the same poster. How the hell are 2 separate posters screwing up the quoting feature so badly?
They're both acting like shit stains for some reason. Little Fucking babies.
Why are you still talking shit. I hate cyber gangsters.
You’re obviously either new to the site or ignorant, so I’ll clue you in. B in Alb is not only a cyber gangster but he’d squish you like a cockroach in real life too. You may want to quit while you’re behind.
And Dutch the same poster. How the hell are 2 separate posters screwing up the quoting feature so badly?
They're both acting like shit stains for some reason. Little Fucking babies.
Why are you still talking shit. I hate cyber gangsters.
You’re obviously either new to the site or ignorant, so I’ll clue you in. B in Alb is not only a cyber gangster but he’d squish you like a cockroach in real life too. You may want to quit while you’re behind.
Just posting this for those that like twitter moments, just some quick commentary and highlights from some of Haskins plays. I like his play speed, decisiveness, and accuracy best... concerned about pressure and throwing on the run. Have a long way to go. Cheers Twitter Moment - ( New Window )
Here you go:
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"Haskins had all day to throw the ball..."
Yes, the ENTIRE year.
I'm not kidding when I say I think nearly every QB in the big five conferences could have been very effective and productive in that OSU offense.
I’m always worrried about Urban QBs coming out of that spread system.
Haskins does what he does best. Drink some coffee, find wide open guy, make the throw.
Haskins does what he does best. Drink some coffee, find wide open guy, make the throw.
That sums it up.
The game I saw him reading The Lantern and still throwing for 400 - I think it was Maryland - I knew his numbers were totally goosed... ;)
Lol based on what?
He had a couple of pretty inaccurate throws on that last drive but did make a nice pass for the TD
You perceive the threat.
^This. A lot of the time it looks like pitch and catch for him. But he has a rocket arm, is accurate, and can scramble. Somebody will draft him in the first round based on his physical attributes, the thin crop of QBs, and the fact that QBs are usually overdrafted.
But it is kind of difficult imo to get a full read on him due to the loaded OSU roster. Rarely under pressure and his receivers are usually better athletes than the defenders.
But again, he is a gifted passer.
You perceive the threat.
I agree bw needs to tone down his act.
Those throws are the norm.
No pressure
Wide open receiver.
The PAC isn’t what it was a few years ago.
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so far. The TD. Lets not rush to judgement, one way or the other.
Those throws are the norm.
No pressure
Wide open receiver.
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This isn’t a push over team
The PAC isn’t what it was a few years ago.
The PAC12 is a disaster in both football and hoops.
Is there a bigger misnomer than their motto - "Conference of Champions"?
Although Rapp is their best player and he isn't playing.
He’s looked human against good defenses.
Washington is dropping 7 and 8, of course he’s going to have time.
In comment 14243173 Chip said:
That's the question
Well, we know your boy Will Grier certainly didn’t need a shower or uniform washed after his bowl game...
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after this game? Will they even need to launder his uniform?
Well, we know your boy Will Grier certainly didn’t need a shower or uniform washed after his bowl game...
Grier really left Sills twisting in the wind.
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after this game? Will they even need to launder his uniform?
Well, we know your boy Will Grier certainly didn’t need a shower or uniform washed after his bowl game...
Touche.
In comment 14243198 riceneggs said:
That's the question
In comment 14243105 bw in dc said:
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and takes a sack
"Haskins had all day to throw the ball..."
Yes, the ENTIRE year.
I'm not kidding when I say I think nearly every QB in the big five conferences could have been very effective and productive in that OSU offense.
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But I thought Lock did as well yesterday.
In an exceedingly better conference, very well. I think he was 30/8 at 65% completion.
His last five games were superb.
It’s very possible that we draft someone this year and they sit until Eli himself retires of his own will.
Every Giants fan should be interested in potential QBs at this point. It’s not a zero sum game.
Some of you guys came into this thread simply to tear down Haskins.
Sit back and just watch the game, see what you see.
There are 4 months to go before the draft, Haskins May or may not prove to be a viable draft pick at that slot.
I still have a ways to go on evaluating Haskins. QBs require extra work and I usually wait until after the season is over.
My initial gut reaction: Not a top 10 guy. But yes, a guy you can win with. And to some people, that warrants top 10 because of the position. I just think there is so much raw-ness to him. Occasional sloppiness. Inconsistent lower body mechanics. And I need to get some more background info on him (intangibles/passion/leadership)
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What has Lock done on the year?
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But I thought Lock did as well yesterday.
In an exceedingly better conference, very well. I think he was 30/8 at 65% completion.
His last five games were superb.
We shall see what happens in the combine and such.
I think Lock will end up being in top half if not top 10of Draft.
Albeit not as talented, look at JD Barrett's stats last year for OSU. They were tremendous, and he was considered a long shot NFL prospect.
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but how do you evaluate this guy? Sy! What is your take?
I still have a ways to go on evaluating Haskins. QBs require extra work and I usually wait until after the season is over.
My initial gut reaction: Not a top 10 guy. But yes, a guy you can win with. And to some people, that warrants top 10 because of the position. I just think there is so much raw-ness to him. Occasional sloppiness. Inconsistent lower body mechanics. And I need to get some more background info on him (intangibles/passion/leadership)
Thanks Sy! Looking forward to your complete evaluation.
In comment 14243207 DonnieD89 said:
Notice those posters are gone now that he put up 2 TD passes against a legit D in the Rose Bowl.
In comment 14243233 bw in dc said:
Albeit not as talented, look at JD Barrett's stats last year for OSU. They were tremendous, and he was considered a long shot NFL prospect.
I think the Giants should be moving towards an offense that features Barkley as the Rams did Marshall Faulk.
I think those attributes could be well suited, like Kurt Warner, for that type of offense
n comment 14243233 bw in dc said:
Albeit not as talented, look at JD Barrett's stats last year for OSU. They were tremendous, and he was considered a long shot NFL prospect.
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What has Lock done on the year?
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But I thought Lock did as well yesterday.
In an exceedingly better conference, very well. I think he was 30/8 at 65% completion.
His last five games were superb.
That skipper in the ground on a roll out reminded me of McNabb.
Agreed. I like him, but not at #6.
I think the Giants should be moving towards an offense that features Barkley as the Rams did Marshall Faulk.
I think those attributes could be well suited, like Kurt Warner, for that type of offense
n comment 14243233 bw in dc said:
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For me, I'm merely pointing out how comfortable he has it in that OSU offense. Thus, it's hard to say how much is their success the scheme and how much is Haskins.
Albeit not as talented, look at JD Barrett's stats last year for OSU. They were tremendous, and he was considered a long shot NFL prospect.
Barkley is going to be a great offensive player for us for many years to come, but what current modern NFL team is successful with just an RB. We need a lethal passing game to go along with it. A QB with semi mobility would be nice as well.
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Agreed. I like him, but not at #6.
Same. I really want Lawrence, Tua, or Fromm in the coming years.
Yet you were the one coming on here bashing people with your Eli brigade bullshit.
In comment 14243243 trueblueinpw said:
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nice throw by Haskins followed by a ground ball.
That skipper in the ground on a roll out reminded me of McNabb.
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Yet you were the one coming on here bashing people with your Eli brigade bullshit.
If it means he's our QB for 15 plus years, sign me up.
He dose show some pocket awareness.
No grow up and get a fucking life. Must suck to be this miserable all the time.
And if you think me and bw agree on anything other than this than your dumber than I thought.
He has shown an ability to move around in pocket as well and feel some presssure
His deep ball and throw on the run seem iffy so far
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For Lawrence. He's going to be a franchise guy for a long time.
If it means he's our QB for 15 plus years, sign me up.
Me too, but it ain't happening.
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Agreed. I like him, but not at #6.
Same. I really want Lawrence, Tua, or Fromm in the coming years.
Giants will probably not be that high. And just because you want to trade up doesn’t mean the team with those picks does.
If the Giants go say 7-9 next year, you end up in the teens as a pick and a trade to 1 is near impossible.
The Giants have a shot to go QB this year, but we don’t know if anyone is worthy.
If they don’t go QB for whatever reason, then they will likely have to get lucky - lower pick, FA or trade.
Why can’t people get Eli’s age correct. He turns 38 this week. Why do you say he is 39? Even in the offseason and during the season we had Giants fans saying he’s 38, 39 years old. Even beat writers - Matt Lombardo - stated that before Christmas Eli was 38. I don’t know why this is so hard for people to grasp. And I’m not even the staunchest Eli supporter.
I like the Duke guy too though. In my dreams we can get one of them in the 2nd.
I like the Duke guy too though. In my dreams we can get one of them in the 2nd.
You are not getting one of them in the second, so stop with the nonsense. It's likely neither falls out of the top 10. Haskins is probably going top 5. I can't stop you from dreaming, but the Giants are not getting Haskins in the second.
2) He can take on a lot of contact. He is a sturdy physical presence. Not a plus athlete but he can keep plays alive.
He may not be perfect, he may not have started 50 games in college. But he throws accurately at all levels, has mobility, and works through progressions. So he has to work on some things and is not a finished product. That means you pass on him? That is a ridiculous evaluation method. Every prospect has something to work on.
When you start ripping Sy in your first month... maybe we need a stronger vetting process
He may not be perfect, he may not have started 50 games in college. But he throws accurately at all levels, has mobility, and works through progressions. So he has to work on some things and is not a finished product. That means you pass on him? That is a ridiculous evaluation method. Every prospect has something to work on.
If he comes out, I agree he is going top 10.
Question is, do I think I can get a better prospect later? Next year? It's not just about being worthy or not. It's about, do you like someone better?
n comment 14243289 10thAve said:
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He is 39. He has 1 year left on his contract. These are facts. We will have to move on
Why can’t people get Eli’s age correct. He turns 38 this week. Why do you say he is 39? Even in the offseason and during the season we had Giants fans saying he’s 38, 39 years old. Even beat writers - Matt Lombardo - stated that before Christmas Eli was 38. I don’t know why this is so hard for people to grasp. And I’m not even the staunchest Eli supporter.
Great point
But can you get someone better in 2020?
Is the 4th, 5th best QB on the board in 2020 better then the first QB on the board in 2019?
Shouldn’t that be the question?
If the Giants do not QB now- it has to be because you think you can compete for the playoffs next season and therefore you will have a pick at least in the 15-20 range.
What QB can you get in 2020 at that spot? Will they be a better prospect then Haskins or LOck or Jones?
It’s simoly not possible to think you are better with Eli in 2019 and you will have a shot at Tua or Fromm in 2020. Those 2 things don’t go together.
n comment 14243300 Sy'56 said:
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You people are all waiting for the perfect prospect. Sy - he's going top 10 - you can lock that in.
He may not be perfect, he may not have started 50 games in college. But he throws accurately at all levels, has mobility, and works through progressions. So he has to work on some things and is not a finished product. That means you pass on him? That is a ridiculous evaluation method. Every prospect has something to work on.
If he comes out, I agree he is going top 10.
Question is, do I think I can get a better prospect later? Next year? It's not just about being worthy or not. It's about, do you like someone better?
He may not be perfect, he may not have started 50 games in college. But he throws accurately at all levels, has mobility, and works through progressions. So he has to work on some things and is not a finished product. That means you pass on him? That is a ridiculous evaluation method. Every prospect has something to work on.
Just chill out. There is a long way to go on all teams evaluating QB's, and you really don't have a clue what you are talking about.
I'm not saying Haskins fits in to that equation, I am just talking about principle. I'll have my grade on Haskins in March.
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You people are all waiting for the perfect prospect. Sy - he's going top 10 - you can lock that in.
He may not be perfect, he may not have started 50 games in college. But he throws accurately at all levels, has mobility, and works through progressions. So he has to work on some things and is not a finished product. That means you pass on him? That is a ridiculous evaluation method. Every prospect has something to work on.
Just chill out. There is a long way to go on all teams evaluating QB's, and you really don't have a clue what you are talking about.
No, you don't have a clue what you are talking about, if you think one of these guys is falling to the second round. Do you see what Haskins is doing to one of the best secondaries in all of college football? And you think he might fall to the second round?
PAC-12 Champs = Sarah Jessica Parker of NCAA football 😂
if yo udont want him at 6, slide backk into late first for jones if he is there, i tyhink he is gonna be a solid pro too
Maybe posters should take into account quality of competition before using stats on defenses that are getting lit up.
Good mobility, nice reads, progression, accuracy and solid arm.
He’s looked human against good defenses.
Washington is dropping 7 and 8, of course he’s going to have time.
I've been wondering this same thing. Seems many are enamoured with Tua but knock Haskins. Anyone willing to chime in how their situations are different or how their traits/skills are significantly different? I'm personally worried about Tua's durability.
He’s looked human against good defenses.
Washington is dropping 7 and 8, of course he’s going to have time.
I've been wondering this same thing. Seems many are enamoured with Tua but knock Haskins. Anyone willing to chime in how their situations are different or how their traits/skills are significantly different? I'm personally worried about Tua's durability.
Flacco, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Warner, Brad Johnson all taken outside top 10 in Round 1 and later.
Trent Dilfer was taken 6th in his draft year. Just saying (not to scare anyone).
Haskins looks like he can take a beating, kind of like Roethlisberger in the pocket. If he checked the boxes, I’d support the pick at 6.
This game is really pissing me off. Another reason for an 8-team playoff. Eliminate the pretenders from playing in the big games.
This game is really pissing me off. Another reason for an 8-team playoff. Eliminate the pretenders from playing in the big games.
He’s really bad. Completely agree. It’s time for playoff expansion. This game is just pointless, even as an Ohio State fan, it feels a tad bit empty
Flacco, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Warner, Brad Johnson all taken outside top 10 in Round 1 and later.
Trent Dilfer was taken 6th in his draft year. Just saying (not to scare anyone).
You're right. We should probably pick QBs at 199 or scoop them up as UDFAs and hope that they turn out to be like Brady or Warner. We picked a QB (Webb) in the third round and another (Lauletta) in the fourth, but amazingly those picks have not resulted in titles.
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Absolutely correct.
Was saying the same thing. Even if they stuck with a 4 team playoff there is no reason the bowls can’t then be 5 vs 6 and 7 vs 8. The actual bowl rules are ridiculous.
Then they shouldn't have given up a combined 100 points to Purdue and Maryland.
And on Sunshine - yes he looked great against Notre Dame as he has all year .... but that haircut is a red flag man... and in all seriousness, for teams to be willing to tank and go 0-16 for him .,, does anyone have a read on his work ethic, ability to thrive under stress, deficit, media, his passion for gameplanning, etc?
Lock was under 50% against Georgia and SC. Fair enough. Those were not great showings.
On the other had, do you want to compare the talent around Luck to the talent around Haskins?
Let's ask Sy, for kicks since he is neutral, who has more pro prospects on their current offensive squads? Missouri or Ohio State.
Nonsense. The best four regular season teams got in. Sometimes NFL playoff games end in blowouts too.
I also think far too much time elapses between final game and playoffs in college. ND was flat and overwhelmed by the moment all night... four weeks between games played a part in that.
I'm not saying Haskins fits in to that equation, I am just talking about principle. I'll have my grade on Haskins in March.
The best QBs haven’t been taken in the top 10? Sure Rodgers, Brees and Wilson weren’t, but look around the league at the young crop who are working their way toward the top of the league.
Mahomes - 10th
Goff - 1st
Baker - 1st
Wentz when healthy - 2nd
Luck 1st
Cam, Stafford and Ryan have been very good QBs and taken in the top 5. Yes there’s elite pass rushers but if they think Haskins is a good enough NFL QB you take him. You can’t predict where you end up in future drafts and if you end up in the teens you’ve screwed yourself either by missing out or trading a bunch of picks for a QB. Conversely if you take Haskins and he has a good year one but you still end up high, you’re getting a kings ransom for the pick.
And on Sunshine - yes he looked great against Notre Dame as he has all year .... but that haircut is a red flag man... and in all seriousness, for teams to be willing to tank and go 0-16 for him .,, does anyone have a read on his work ethic, ability to thrive under stress, deficit, media, his passion for gameplanning, etc?
Lawrence will be a Luck-caliber QB prospect. Everything is top tier, on and off the field.
Disagree. Washington is terrible. Thus game just reinforces the fact that the Pac-12 shouldn't have a free pass to the Rose Bowl.
The best teams should be playing in these games. Not a three - loss pretender from a lousy conference.
In comment 14243320 dep026 said:
Maybe posters should take into account quality of competition before using stats on defenses that are getting lit up.
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No, I can't guarantee that. But I would never want to settle on someone just because I am picking at the top of the draft. Especially when there are some ELITE level pass rushers. Don't forget, those are awfully important too and NYG is naked there. I don't want to game the system, too much of your control. But I am just so against picking a QB high because "you're supposed to". That has gotten a lot of teams in trouble AND the best QBs in the NFL have NOT been taken in the top 10.
I'm not saying Haskins fits in to that equation, I am just talking about principle. I'll have my grade on Haskins in March.
The best QBs haven’t been taken in the top 10? Sure Rodgers, Brees and Wilson weren’t, but look around the league at the young crop who are working their way toward the top of the league.
Mahomes - 10th
Goff - 1st
Baker - 1st
Wentz when healthy - 2nd
Luck 1st
Cam, Stafford and Ryan have been very good QBs and taken in the top 5. Yes there’s elite pass rushers but if they think Haskins is a good enough NFL QB you take him. You can’t predict where you end up in future drafts and if you end up in the teens you’ve screwed yourself either by missing out or trading a bunch of picks for a QB. Conversely if you take Haskins and he has a good year one but you still end up high, you’re getting a kings ransom for the pick.
Just a personal rule. I have to see a guy do it for 2 years before I say "one of the best in the game". Remember Alex Smith looked pretty freaking good playing in that KC offense too. So yes, a few of your names are valid. I'm not saying just wait no matter what, I am simply stating you don't HAVE to get your QB in the top 10 in order to get an elite/very good QB.
Tom Brady. Drew Brees. Aaron Rodgers. Russell Wilson. Derek Carr. Dak Prescott. Jimmy Garroppolo (maybe). Kirk Cousins (maybe).
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That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.
Nonsense. The best four regular season teams got in. Sometimes NFL playoff games end in blowouts too.
I also think far too much time elapses between final game and playoffs in college. ND was flat and overwhelmed by the moment all night... four weeks between games played a part in that.
Well I think Georgia was one of the four best teams in the regular season. Better than OU or OSU but the committee thought otherwise and I understand why they went the way they did.
I think Georgia will show how good they are again tonight.
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Against some of the best defenses his completion% was under 50. Stop with the Lock nonsense.
Lock was under 50% against Georgia and SC. Fair enough. Those were not great showings.
On the other had, do you want to compare the talent around Luck to the talent around Haskins?
Let's ask Sy, for kicks since he is neutral, who has more pro prospects on their current offensive squads? Missouri or Ohio State.
And at QB, the only one who checks the boxes is Jones. He's another Cutcliffe product, probably one of the very few in the draft that has been taught to process the amount of information an NFL QB will need.
His red flag should only be medical/durability.
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That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.
Nonsense. The best four regular season teams got in. Sometimes NFL playoff games end in blowouts too.
I also think far too much time elapses between final game and playoffs in college. ND was flat and overwhelmed by the moment all night... four weeks between games played a part in that.
I think OSU beats Oklahoma.
In comment 14243319 BleedBlue said:
if yo udont want him at 6, slide backk into late first for jones if he is there, i tyhink he is gonna be a solid pro too
Lol
In comment 14243369 Sy'56 said:
what you're talking about
Actually a tough call. Right now, OSU gets the edge.
But I think the upside of a couple Mizzou guys is higher. Also think the Mizzou system is more QB friendly.
If the debate is Haskins vs Lock....Haskins for me.
And at QB, the only one who checks the boxes is Jones. He's another Cutcliffe product, probably one of the very few in the draft that has been taught to process the amount of information an NFL QB will need.
His red flag should only be medical/durability.
I think the Cutcliffe connection is over blown.
Six quarterbacks whom Cutcliffe coached in college have gone on to play in the NFL: Heath Shuler, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Erik Ainge, Thaddeus Lewis, and Sean Renfree.
When you take out the Mannings, who were probably going to be good QBs no matter what, the list is very unimpressive.
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He is excellent. He can win with initial movement, agility is elite. The he can finish with his speed and power.
Don't love him against the run, especially as a stay at home defender which no matter that, will come in to play here and there.
1st rounder, likely a top 20 guy. He is actually a guy NYG could use but he won't be a top 6 guy and he won't be there in round 2.
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when he gets absolutely no pressure and has all day to look around to find a wr. Dak Prescott looked with the Cowboys a couple of seasons ago when he had all day to throw and now doesn't look all that great. Great Arm good accuracy but I wouldn't touch him with the sixth pick. Without seeing this guy play with pressure its nothing more than a crap shoot.
You have to stop with this Bullshit.
Your post goes UNDERNEATH the quote so people know wtf you're replying to!
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If he didn't last year - for a Rb in a perceived historic qb class - he isn't this year. I'm not worried. We will get a pass rusher.
And on Sunshine - yes he looked great against Notre Dame as he has all year .... but that haircut is a red flag man... and in all seriousness, for teams to be willing to tank and go 0-16 for him .,, does anyone have a read on his work ethic, ability to thrive under stress, deficit, media, his passion for gameplanning, etc?
Lawrence will be a Luck-caliber QB prospect. Everything is top tier, on and off the field.
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That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.
Nonsense. The best four regular season teams got in. Sometimes NFL playoff games end in blowouts too.
I also think far too much time elapses between final game and playoffs in college. ND was flat and overwhelmed by the moment all night... four weeks between games played a part in that.
Well I think Georgia was one of the four best teams in the regular season. Better than OU or OSU but the committee thought otherwise and I understand why they went the way they did.
I think Georgia will show how good they are again tonight.
See, I put no weight on how they perform tonight against a mediocre Texas team. Bowls are pageantry for the most part - a month between games, little motivation, pro prospects skip games, etc
They lost two games in a year 7 teams lost 0 or 1. The SEC east was weak. Their out of conference schedule was laughable. Only quality win all year was Florida on a neutral field.
They should be top 4 ... on paper they are... but aside from playing Alabama close but no cigar... they needed to do more.
Next year they at least have notre Dame on their OOC and the sec east should be better
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That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.
Nonsense. The best four regular season teams got in. Sometimes NFL playoff games end in blowouts too.
I also think far too much time elapses between final game and playoffs in college. ND was flat and overwhelmed by the moment all night... four weeks between games played a part in that.
I think OSU beats Oklahoma.
I think they could too but I wouldn't bet on it. After seeing what Purdue and Maryland put up on them, I'd be inclined to think OU would do at least the same and I'm not sure OSU could keep up.
I think it would be a fun game to see though, but I also think Georgia would beat both.
What did you think of Allen?
That’s what bothers you? How I’m misusing the quote feature? My apologies to the grammar police.
What did you think of Allen?
Not until later in the week. Miss State vs Iowa was my day game.
I'm high on Allen, not top 5 yet like some are. But I still have 4-5 games of his to see.
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That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.
Then they shouldn't have given up a combined 100 points to Purdue and Maryland.
In NCAA Football, where offense rules the day, I don’t care if you give up a 100 points. These teams start copycatting offensive philosophies and spread uptempo RPO teams score on most defenses.
It happens.
OU played real poorly against Army. They didn’t give up a ton of points but they should have mopped the floor with them if they were anywhere in Bama’s league.
Ohio State is a known commodity with the talent and depth to match Bama. I hate making this argument, but it’s true.
Flacco, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Warner, Brad Johnson all taken outside top 10 in Round 1 and later.
Trent Dilfer was taken 6th in his draft year. Just saying (not to scare anyone).
It’s a much different game now than it was. I think you will see more and more QBs going top 10 as the rules favor safety more and more. The rules have drastically increased the value of QBs.
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What are you doing with the quote feature? Holy shit. Is it really that difficult?
That’s what bothers you? How I’m misusing the quote feature? My apologies to the grammar police.
It's not about grammar. The formatting you've caused is making it difficult to read your posts.
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How do most QB’s look with pressure. You can’t evaluate him because he doesn’t get pressured? Really
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when he gets absolutely no pressure and has all day to look around to find a wr. Dak Prescott looked with the Cowboys a couple of seasons ago when he had all day to throw and now doesn't look all that great. Great Arm good accuracy but I wouldn't touch him with the sixth pick. Without seeing this guy play with pressure its nothing more than a crap shoot.
You have to stop with this Bullshit.
Your post goes UNDERNEATH the quote so people know wtf you're replying to!
Can you not read either way? You’re fucking ridiculous.
They all come down with Urban Meyer headaches at the same time?
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How do most QB’s look with pressure. You can’t evaluate him because he doesn’t get pressured? Really
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when he gets absolutely no pressure and has all day to look around to find a wr. Dak Prescott looked with the Cowboys a couple of seasons ago when he had all day to throw and now doesn't look all that great. Great Arm good accuracy but I wouldn't touch him with the sixth pick. Without seeing this guy play with pressure its nothing more than a crap shoot.
You have to stop with this Bullshit.
Your post goes UNDERNEATH the quote so people know wtf you're replying to!
Can you not read either way? You’re fucking ridiculous.
Nah dude your acting like a total jackass. Just chill out. The good thing is you figured it out and we can understand what your trying to say now.
Just relax and have a civil convo.
Actually a tough call. Right now, OSU gets the edge.
But I think the upside of a couple Mizzou guys is higher. Also think the Mizzou system is more QB friendly.
If the debate is Haskins vs Lock....Haskins for me.
Tough call? Where?
Ohio State's WR core has more interesting prospects with Campbell, Hill, and McLauren
Prince and Jordan are top ten prospects at their OL spots.
And Dobbins and Weber are a better RBs prospects than Rountee et al.
That's why I think Lock has done more with less.
No disrespect Sy, I’ll make the adjustment but seriously, is it that hard to followreading my comment to the original post 1st?
I am because Im sure everyone can read.
Punting it there makes no sense on any level. What the fuck is wrong with some of these coaches.
Punting was bad enough but wasting a TO as well? Double head scratcher for me there.
These guys are getting paid millions of dollars. You can't fuck up like that. Call a timeout and then punt, down 2 scores with 4 minutes to go. Horrendous
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You're struggling man. All due respect. I'm trying to read what you're saying but you're doing it wrong.
No disrespect Sy, I’ll make the adjustment but seriously, is it that hard to followreading my comment to the original post 1st?
No disrespect here either but yes it is.
Think of it this way...you answer a question after its asked no? I think responding to a post or quoting one follows the same line of thinking.
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How do most QB’s look with pressure. You can’t evaluate him because he doesn’t get pressured? Really
In comment 14243327 Chip said:
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when he gets absolutely no pressure and has all day to look around to find a wr. Dak Prescott looked with the Cowboys a couple of seasons ago when he had all day to throw and now doesn't look all that great. Great Arm good accuracy but I wouldn't touch him with the sixth pick. Without seeing this guy play with pressure its nothing more than a crap shoot.
You have to stop with this Bullshit.
Your post goes UNDERNEATH the quote so people know wtf you're replying to!
Can you not read either way? You’re fucking ridiculous.
Nah dude your acting like a total jackass. Just chill out. The good thing is you figured it out and we can understand what your trying to say now.
Just relax and have a civil convo.
You want me to be civil while you’re bitching about my formatting and calling me a jackass right. Fuck off.
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who has more offense NFL prospects, Ohio State vs Missouri
Actually a tough call. Right now, OSU gets the edge.
But I think the upside of a couple Mizzou guys is higher. Also think the Mizzou system is more QB friendly.
If the debate is Haskins vs Lock....Haskins for me.
Tough call? Where?
Ohio State's WR core has more interesting prospects with Campbell, Hill, and McLauren
Prince and Jordan are top ten prospects at their OL spots.
And Dobbins and Weber are a better RBs prospects than Rountee et al.
That's why I think Lock has done more with less.
Mizzou WR Hall and TE Okwuegbunam may be the 2 best skill players if you combined the teams.
RBs Crockett and Rountree are same-level.
Mizz passing scheme has been simpler to play in
Has made more positive plays under duress with an undermanned offensive personnel.
This one is "close" and "competitive" right?
This one is "close" and "competitive" right?
You’re thinking of the wrong poster again. You’re ringing in the new year as bad as last years.
Someone also needs to explain to me how the last touchdown wasnt overturned, but the Notre Dame fumble on the kickoff was.
The inconsistency of replay is fucking annoying. ND wasn't winning regardless but they got fucking screwed on that replay
after 3 quarters. We may have played like shit on offense.... but is that not a winnable game? Even if you take account their FG into the 4th. It was 13-6. One score game with the ball in the 4th.
That is the utter definition of close/winnable game.
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Its a single score game now
This one is "close" and "competitive" right?
You’re thinking of the wrong poster again. You’re ringing in the new year as bad as last years.
I mean I can see how stupid you are seeing these two games as the same. Holy shit, you are the fucking worst.
Shit you're a moron sometimes, Stan. I admire your consistency in terms of sticking with your opinions no matter what.
But the Pac-12 and west coast football are jokes right now. A three win Washington team gets the Rose Bowl because of conference affiliation. Nothing else.
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I mean I can see how stupid you are seeing these two games as the same. Holy shit, you are the fucking worst.
Yet you aren’t even smart enough to work the quote feature... so it’s not surprising.
In comment 14243465 dep026 said:
I mean I can see how stupid you are seeing these two games as the same. Holy shit, you are the fucking worst.
Has made more positive plays under duress with an undermanned offensive personnel.
Browning was terrible. We get it, Haskins has great talent around him. Now you’ve just taken this narrative too far
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Yet you aren’t even smart enough to work the quote feature... so it’s not surprising.
Thanks for letting me know formatting guy.
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I’ve been more impressed today with Browning more than Haskins.
Has made more positive plays under duress with an undermanned offensive personnel.
Browning was terrible. We get it, Haskins has great talent around him. Now you’ve just taken this narrative too far
bw in dc is a trip. Whatever QB plays with the least amount of talent, he’s his guy. If a QB plays on a talented team, he surely sucks and shouldn’t be drafted until the 3rd round.
Absolutely mind boggling.
They're both acting like shit stains for some reason. Little Fucking babies.
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I’ve been more impressed today with Browning more than Haskins.
Has made more positive plays under duress with an undermanned offensive personnel.
Browning was terrible. We get it, Haskins has great talent around him. Now you’ve just taken this narrative too far
I think you’re reading my intentions wrong. Not really trying to pile on Haskins even more.
In this game only, I think Browning hung in there under constant pressure and made some nice plays to keep Washington in the game. And that’s with his receivers having some big drops.
Haskins made a few plays early and was very quiet in the second half.
Sg0058 and MMiller???
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And Dutch the same poster. How the hell are 2 separate posters screwing up the quoting feature so badly?
They're both acting like shit stains for some reason. Little Fucking babies.
Why are you still talking shit. I hate cyber gangsters.
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And Dutch the same poster. How the hell are 2 separate posters screwing up the quoting feature so badly?
They're both acting like shit stains for some reason. Little Fucking babies.
Why are you still talking shit. I hate cyber gangsters.
There you go! You did it!
Talking shit like your boy B in ALB. That’s all you two do when people shut down your wack ass post.
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And Dutch the same poster. How the hell are 2 separate posters screwing up the quoting feature so badly?
They're both acting like shit stains for some reason. Little Fucking babies.
Why are you still talking shit. I hate cyber gangsters.
There you go! You did it!
Thanks CHUMP!
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And Dutch the same poster. How the hell are 2 separate posters screwing up the quoting feature so badly?
They're both acting like shit stains for some reason. Little Fucking babies.
Why are you still talking shit. I hate cyber gangsters.
You’re obviously either new to the site or ignorant, so I’ll clue you in. B in Alb is not only a cyber gangster but he’d squish you like a cockroach in real life too. You may want to quit while you’re behind.
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Are definitely in the running. I should have said one of the two worst. Apologies.
Talking shit like your boy B in ALB. That’s all you two do when people shut down your wack ass post.
Wack ass? Settle down, white boy.
Ive been posting on here since 2006 and was on here back in 2004 before the Eli draft back in tbe good ol gloveone days
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Are definitely in the running. I should have said one of the two worst. Apologies.
Talking shit like your boy B in ALB. That’s all you two do when people shut down your wack ass post.
Wack ass? Settle down, white boy.
It’s got to be a Simon dupe. His account was activated a year or 2 ago and now just started talking and is actling well a dupe.
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And Dutch the same poster. How the hell are 2 separate posters screwing up the quoting feature so badly?
They're both acting like shit stains for some reason. Little Fucking babies.
Why are you still talking shit. I hate cyber gangsters.
You’re obviously either new to the site or ignorant, so I’ll clue you in. B in Alb is not only a cyber gangster but he’d squish you like a cockroach in real life too. You may want to quit while you’re behind.
Ok sure.
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Are definitely in the running. I should have said one of the two worst. Apologies.
Talking shit like your boy B in ALB. That’s all you two do when people shut down your wack ass post.
Wack ass? Settle down, white boy.
Or what my dude.
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In comment 14243478 dep026 said:
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Are definitely in the running. I should have said one of the two worst. Apologies.
Talking shit like your boy B in ALB. That’s all you two do when people shut down your wack ass post.
Wack ass? Settle down, white boy.
Or what my dude.
My dude? Fucking clown.
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Are definitely in the running. I should have said one of the two worst. Apologies.
Talking shit like your boy B in ALB. That’s all you two do when people shut down your wack ass post.
Who are you and why are you quoting me? I haven’t even been talking to you.
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