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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/1/2019 4:59 pm
I thought I'd start a new thread for this game since I'm sure a lot of us want to see Haskins. Also, The Snake is 'retiring' after this game to teach leadership courses in Columbus.
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RE: ....  
Dutch77 : 1/1/2019 6:13 pm : link
What exactly is Eli currently giving us?.


In comment 14243198 riceneggs said:
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(At a cheaper price) Can Haskins give us what Eli currently gives us? Plus a little more?

That's the question
RE: RE: Haskins had all day to throw the ball  
Dutch77 : 1/1/2019 6:16 pm : link
I forgot, Eli has never taken a sack when given time. SMH


In comment 14243105 bw in dc said:
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and takes a sack



"Haskins had all day to throw the ball..."

Yes, the ENTIRE year.

I'm not kidding when I say I think nearly every QB in the big five conferences could have been very effective and productive in that OSU offense.
RE: Haskins looks good  
Dutch77 : 1/1/2019 6:17 pm : link
What has Lock done on the year?

In comment 14243214 jeff57 said:
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But I thought Lock did as well yesterday.
RE: RE: Haskins looks good  
bw in dc : 1/1/2019 6:18 pm : link
In comment 14243221 Dutch77 said:
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What has Lock done on the year?

In comment 14243214 jeff57 said:


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But I thought Lock did as well yesterday.



In an exceedingly better conference, very well. I think he was 30/8 at 65% completion.

His last five games were superb.
This thread doesn’t need to be about Eli  
twostepgiants : 1/1/2019 6:20 pm : link
He is 39. He has 1 year left on his contract. These are facts. We will have to move on at some point.

It’s very possible that we draft someone this year and they sit until Eli himself retires of his own will.

Every Giants fan should be interested in potential QBs at this point. It’s not a zero sum game.

Some of you guys came into this thread simply to tear down Haskins.

Sit back and just watch the game, see what you see.

There are 4 months to go before the draft, Haskins May or may not prove to be a viable draft pick at that slot.
RE: So far, I’m impressed,  
Sy'56 : 1/1/2019 6:21 pm : link
In comment 14243207 DonnieD89 said:
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but how do you evaluate this guy? Sy! What is your take?


I still have a ways to go on evaluating Haskins. QBs require extra work and I usually wait until after the season is over.

My initial gut reaction: Not a top 10 guy. But yes, a guy you can win with. And to some people, that warrants top 10 because of the position. I just think there is so much raw-ness to him. Occasional sloppiness. Inconsistent lower body mechanics. And I need to get some more background info on him (intangibles/passion/leadership)
RE: RE: RE: Haskins looks good  
Dutch77 : 1/1/2019 6:22 pm : link
Lock beat an Oklahoma State defense ranked 100 in the FBS. Haskins is playing Washington who’s ranked 12.


In comment 14243223 bw in dc said:
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What has Lock done on the year?

In comment 14243214 jeff57 said:


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But I thought Lock did as well yesterday.





In an exceedingly better conference, very well. I think he was 30/8 at 65% completion.

His last five games were superb.
I thought Drew Lock was VERY impressive yesterday  
twostepgiants : 1/1/2019 6:23 pm : link
And I think he put himself in the conversation.

We shall see what happens in the combine and such.

I think Lock will end up being in top half if not top 10of Draft.
No one is tearing down Haskins...  
bw in dc : 1/1/2019 6:24 pm : link
For me, I'm merely pointing out how comfortable he has it in that OSU offense. Thus, it's hard to say how much is their success the scheme and how much is Haskins.

Albeit not as talented, look at JD Barrett's stats last year for OSU. They were tremendous, and he was considered a long shot NFL prospect.
RE: RE: So far, I’m impressed,  
DonnieD89 : 1/1/2019 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14243229 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 14243207 DonnieD89 said:


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but how do you evaluate this guy? Sy! What is your take?



I still have a ways to go on evaluating Haskins. QBs require extra work and I usually wait until after the season is over.

My initial gut reaction: Not a top 10 guy. But yes, a guy you can win with. And to some people, that warrants top 10 because of the position. I just think there is so much raw-ness to him. Occasional sloppiness. Inconsistent lower body mechanics. And I need to get some more background info on him (intangibles/passion/leadership)


Thanks Sy! Looking forward to your complete evaluation.
RE: So far, I’m impressed,  
Dutch77 : 1/1/2019 6:26 pm : link
Change his name to Sam Darnold, I guess you’ll feel better then.


In comment 14243207 DonnieD89 said:
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but how do you evaluate this guy? Sy! What is your take?
RE: No one is tearing down Haskins...  
twostepgiants : 1/1/2019 6:27 pm : link
Yeah they were. Look at the first posts on this thread. He took a sack. He had a bad throw. He has all day.

Notice those posters are gone now that he put up 2 TD passes against a legit D in the Rose Bowl.



In comment 14243233 bw in dc said:
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For me, I'm merely pointing out how comfortable he has it in that OSU offense. Thus, it's hard to say how much is their success the scheme and how much is Haskins.

Albeit not as talented, look at JD Barrett's stats last year for OSU. They were tremendous, and he was considered a long shot NFL prospect.
RE: No one is tearing down Haskins...  
twostepgiants : 1/1/2019 6:31 pm : link
I see a quick release, very accurate, strong arm.

I think the Giants should be moving towards an offense that features Barkley as the Rams did Marshall Faulk.

I think those attributes could be well suited, like Kurt Warner, for that type of offense

n comment 14243233 bw in dc said:
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For me, I'm merely pointing out how comfortable he has it in that OSU offense. Thus, it's hard to say how much is their success the scheme and how much is Haskins.

Albeit not as talented, look at JD Barrett's stats last year for OSU. They were tremendous, and he was considered a long shot NFL prospect.
RE: RE: RE: Haskins looks good  
Dutch77 : 1/1/2019 6:31 pm : link
Against some of the best defenses his completion% was under 50. Stop with the Lock nonsense.


In comment 14243223 bw in dc said:
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What has Lock done on the year?

In comment 14243214 jeff57 said:


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But I thought Lock did as well yesterday.





In an exceedingly better conference, very well. I think he was 30/8 at 65% completion.

His last five games were superb.
Very  
AcidTest : 1/1/2019 6:32 pm : link
nice throw by Haskins followed by a ground ball.
RE: Very  
trueblueinpw : 1/1/2019 6:33 pm : link
In comment 14243242 AcidTest said:
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nice throw by Haskins followed by a ground ball.


That skipper in the ground on a roll out reminded me of McNabb.
Haskins has looked good.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/1/2019 6:33 pm : link
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That was not a pretty deep ball  
twostepgiants : 1/1/2019 6:33 pm : link
Nor a very good throw on the run
RE: Haskins has looked good.  
AcidTest : 1/1/2019 6:34 pm : link
In comment 14243244 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Agreed. I like him, but not at #6.
RE: RE: No one is tearing down Haskins...  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/1/2019 6:36 pm : link
In comment 14243238 twostepgiants said:
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I see a quick release, very accurate, strong arm.

I think the Giants should be moving towards an offense that features Barkley as the Rams did Marshall Faulk.

I think those attributes could be well suited, like Kurt Warner, for that type of offense

n comment 14243233 bw in dc said:


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For me, I'm merely pointing out how comfortable he has it in that OSU offense. Thus, it's hard to say how much is their success the scheme and how much is Haskins.

Albeit not as talented, look at JD Barrett's stats last year for OSU. They were tremendous, and he was considered a long shot NFL prospect.



Barkley is going to be a great offensive player for us for many years to come, but what current modern NFL team is successful with just an RB. We need a lethal passing game to go along with it. A QB with semi mobility would be nice as well.
Referee  
AcidTest : 1/1/2019 6:36 pm : link
with the nice balloon grab.
RE: RE: Haskins has looked good.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/1/2019 6:37 pm : link
In comment 14243247 AcidTest said:
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Agreed. I like him, but not at #6.


Same. I really want Lawrence, Tua, or Fromm in the coming years.
RE: This thread doesn’t need to be about Eli  
dep026 : 1/1/2019 6:37 pm : link
In comment 14243227 twostepgiants said:
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Yet you were the one coming on here bashing people with your Eli brigade bullshit.
A team needs to be 0-16  
B in ALB : 1/1/2019 6:39 pm : link
For Lawrence. He's going to be a franchise guy for a long time.
RE: RE: Very  
Dutch77 : 1/1/2019 6:39 pm : link
It actually reminds me of Eli.


In comment 14243243 trueblueinpw said:
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In comment 14243242 AcidTest said:


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nice throw by Haskins followed by a ground ball.



That skipper in the ground on a roll out reminded me of McNabb.
RE: That was not a pretty deep ball  
Dutch77 : 1/1/2019 6:40 pm : link
Neither are the ones Eli throws to the other team routinely.

In comment 14243246 twostepgiants said:
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Nor a very good throw on the run
Very  
AcidTest : 1/1/2019 6:40 pm : link
nice scramble by Haskins.
RE: RE: This thread doesn’t need to be about Eli  
twostepgiants : 1/1/2019 6:41 pm : link
Because it’s true


In comment 14243255 dep026 said:
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Yet you were the one coming on here bashing people with your Eli brigade bullshit.
RE: A team needs to be 0-16  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/1/2019 6:42 pm : link
In comment 14243256 B in ALB said:
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For Lawrence. He's going to be a franchise guy for a long time.


If it means he's our QB for 15 plus years, sign me up.
RE: Very  
DonnieD89 : 1/1/2019 6:42 pm : link
In comment 14243261 AcidTest said:
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nice scramble by Haskins.


He dose show some pocket awareness.
Haskins  
AcidTest : 1/1/2019 6:42 pm : link
has done a very good job reading the coverages, and looking off safeties. Of course, he has enormous amounts of time to do so, but it's still noteworthy.
Reason no is posting anymore  
dep026 : 1/1/2019 6:44 pm : link
Because your bullshit is boring at this point. What me and bw have said about Haskins is the same thing we have said all year about him. This game is nothing different from the year.

No grow up and get a fucking life. Must suck to be this miserable all the time.

And if you think me and bw agree on anything other than this than your dumber than I thought.
Haskins looks great when  
twostepgiants : 1/1/2019 6:44 pm : link
He can do a traditional drop and he can throw 10-30 yards within 3 seconds.

He has shown an ability to move around in pocket as well and feel some presssure

His deep ball and throw on the run seem iffy so far
RE: RE: A team needs to be 0-16  
B in ALB : 1/1/2019 6:44 pm : link
In comment 14243265 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 14243256 B in ALB said:


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For Lawrence. He's going to be a franchise guy for a long time.



If it means he's our QB for 15 plus years, sign me up.


Me too, but it ain't happening.
RE: RE: RE: Haskins has looked good.  
Dutch77 : 1/1/2019 6:47 pm : link
Unless we have another 3-13 year, you’re Ok with trading multiple and future picks just to draft a 2020 QB?


In comment 14243252 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 14243244 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Agreed. I like him, but not at #6.



Same. I really want Lawrence, Tua, or Fromm in the coming years.
Haskins ability to layer throws between levels is rare  
ajr2456 : 1/1/2019 6:47 pm : link
It’ll be a rough year 1 but he’s worth a top 10 pick
Game is a mismatch  
Chip : 1/1/2019 6:48 pm : link
Having gone to UNH I am enjoying the Ryan Day comments.
Haskin is going to be  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/1/2019 6:48 pm : link
a very good pro.
I’ll miss watching Haskins  
Kyle in NY : 1/1/2019 6:48 pm : link
as a Buckeye. What a tremendous season he’s had.
How pathetic is the life of a BBI troll?  
trueblueinpw : 1/1/2019 6:49 pm : link
I mean, it’s hard to believe there are actually people who have nothing better to do than to troll a narrow cast website like BBI? Sad 😢.
Problem on Tua, Fromm and Lawrence are  
twostepgiants : 1/1/2019 6:53 pm : link
They are likely all going top 3.

Giants will probably not be that high. And just because you want to trade up doesn’t mean the team with those picks does.

If the Giants go say 7-9 next year, you end up in the teens as a pick and a trade to 1 is near impossible.

The Giants have a shot to go QB this year, but we don’t know if anyone is worthy.

If they don’t go QB for whatever reason, then they will likely have to get lucky - lower pick, FA or trade.

RE: This thread doesn’t need to be about Eli  
10thAve : 1/1/2019 6:58 pm : link
In comment 14243227 twostepgiants said:
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He is 39. He has 1 year left on his contract. These are facts. We will have to move on

Why can’t people get Eli’s age correct. He turns 38 this week. Why do you say he is 39? Even in the offseason and during the season we had Giants fans saying he’s 38, 39 years old. Even beat writers - Matt Lombardo - stated that before Christmas Eli was 38. I don’t know why this is so hard for people to grasp. And I’m not even the staunchest Eli supporter.
Haskins looks good - I'm very interested in seeing how he fares  
PatersonPlank : 1/1/2019 6:58 pm : link
in the private workouts and combine. Thats where the rubber really meets the road. Any questions on mechanics, accuracy, etc. will be flushed out then, and thats when you see guys rise and/or fall.

I like the Duke guy too though. In my dreams we can get one of them in the 2nd.
RE: Haskins looks good - I'm very interested in seeing how he fares  
Giants38 : 1/1/2019 7:01 pm : link
In comment 14243290 PatersonPlank said:
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in the private workouts and combine. Thats where the rubber really meets the road. Any questions on mechanics, accuracy, etc. will be flushed out then, and thats when you see guys rise and/or fall.

I like the Duke guy too though. In my dreams we can get one of them in the 2nd.


You are not getting one of them in the second, so stop with the nonsense. It's likely neither falls out of the top 10. Haskins is probably going top 5. I can't stop you from dreaming, but the Giants are not getting Haskins in the second.
2 standout traits for Haskins  
Sy'56 : 1/1/2019 7:02 pm : link
1) Ability to adjust intentions and weight distribution paired with an accurate arm.

2) He can take on a lot of contact. He is a sturdy physical presence. Not a plus athlete but he can keep plays alive.
I Honestly Don't Know What More You Want to See  
Giants38 : 1/1/2019 7:06 pm : link
You people are all waiting for the perfect prospect. Sy - he's going top 10 - you can lock that in.

He may not be perfect, he may not have started 50 games in college. But he throws accurately at all levels, has mobility, and works through progressions. So he has to work on some things and is not a finished product. That means you pass on him? That is a ridiculous evaluation method. Every prospect has something to work on.
12/18  
dep026 : 1/1/2019 7:10 pm : link
People suck.

When you start ripping Sy in your first month... maybe we need a stronger vetting process
RE: I Honestly Don't Know What More You Want to See  
Sy'56 : 1/1/2019 7:10 pm : link
In comment 14243298 Giants38 said:
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You people are all waiting for the perfect prospect. Sy - he's going top 10 - you can lock that in.

He may not be perfect, he may not have started 50 games in college. But he throws accurately at all levels, has mobility, and works through progressions. So he has to work on some things and is not a finished product. That means you pass on him? That is a ridiculous evaluation method. Every prospect has something to work on.


If he comes out, I agree he is going top 10.

Question is, do I think I can get a better prospect later? Next year? It's not just about being worthy or not. It's about, do you like someone better?
RE: RE: This thread doesn’t need to be about Eli  
twostepgiants : 1/1/2019 7:11 pm : link
Eli Manning will be 39 during next season. Unless you plan on not making the playoffs again.


n comment 14243289 10thAve said:
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In comment 14243227 twostepgiants said:


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He is 39. He has 1 year left on his contract. These are facts. We will have to move on


Why can’t people get Eli’s age correct. He turns 38 this week. Why do you say he is 39? Even in the offseason and during the season we had Giants fans saying he’s 38, 39 years old. Even beat writers - Matt Lombardo - stated that before Christmas Eli was 38. I don’t know why this is so hard for people to grasp. And I’m not even the staunchest Eli supporter.
I like  
cokeduplt : 1/1/2019 7:11 pm : link
Haskins and would be happy if he’s the pick.
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