I thought I'd start a new thread for this game since I'm sure a lot of us want to see Haskins. Also, The Snake is 'retiring' after this game to teach leadership courses in Columbus.
Getting a QB in top 10 is VERY MUCH about how hard he works. His approach to the game and life. Most never get access to that information, but it is vital.
Getting a QB in top 10 is VERY MUCH about how hard he works. His approach to the game and life. Most never get access to that information, but it is vital.
Great point
Haskins would be a great pick if the Ohio State oline comes with him! Â
Is the 4th, 5th best QB on the board in 2020 better then the first QB on the board in 2019?
Shouldn’t that be the question?
If the Giants do not QB now- it has to be because you think you can compete for the playoffs next season and therefore you will have a pick at least in the 15-20 range.
What QB can you get in 2020 at that spot? Will they be a better prospect then Haskins or LOck or Jones?
It’s simoly not possible to think you are better with Eli in 2019 and you will have a shot at Tua or Fromm in 2020. Those 2 things don’t go together.
You people are all waiting for the perfect prospect. Sy - he's going top 10 - you can lock that in.
He may not be perfect, he may not have started 50 games in college. But he throws accurately at all levels, has mobility, and works through progressions. So he has to work on some things and is not a finished product. That means you pass on him? That is a ridiculous evaluation method. Every prospect has something to work on.
If he comes out, I agree he is going top 10.
Question is, do I think I can get a better prospect later? Next year? It's not just about being worthy or not. It's about, do you like someone better?
RE: I Honestly Don't Know What More You Want to See Â
You people are all waiting for the perfect prospect. Sy - he's going top 10 - you can lock that in.
He may not be perfect, he may not have started 50 games in college. But he throws accurately at all levels, has mobility, and works through progressions. So he has to work on some things and is not a finished product. That means you pass on him? That is a ridiculous evaluation method. Every prospect has something to work on.
Just chill out. There is a long way to go on all teams evaluating QB's, and you really don't have a clue what you are talking about.
No, I can't guarantee that. But I would never want to settle on someone just because I am picking at the top of the draft. Especially when there are some ELITE level pass rushers. Don't forget, those are awfully important too and NYG is naked there. I don't want to game the system, too much of your control. But I am just so against picking a QB high because "you're supposed to". That has gotten a lot of teams in trouble AND the best QBs in the NFL have NOT been taken in the top 10.
I'm not saying Haskins fits in to that equation, I am just talking about principle. I'll have my grade on Haskins in March.
You people are all waiting for the perfect prospect. Sy - he's going top 10 - you can lock that in.
He may not be perfect, he may not have started 50 games in college. But he throws accurately at all levels, has mobility, and works through progressions. So he has to work on some things and is not a finished product. That means you pass on him? That is a ridiculous evaluation method. Every prospect has something to work on.
Just chill out. There is a long way to go on all teams evaluating QB's, and you really don't have a clue what you are talking about.
No, you don't have a clue what you are talking about, if you think one of these guys is falling to the second round. Do you see what Haskins is doing to one of the best secondaries in all of college football? And you think he might fall to the second round?
haskins is a player. even before this game he has been solid. he throws with good accuracy and can def move some to extend plays. this washington defense is pretty damn good too. you have to like haskins.
if yo udont want him at 6, slide backk into late first for jones if he is there, i tyhink he is gonna be a solid pro too
If too much time to throw is a knock on Haskins, why are we enamored with Tua?
He’s looked human against good defenses.
Washington is dropping 7 and 8, of course he’s going to have time.
I've been wondering this same thing. Seems many are enamoured with Tua but knock Haskins. Anyone willing to chime in how their situations are different or how their traits/skills are significantly different? I'm personally worried about Tua's durability.
If too much time to throw is a knock on Haskins, why are we enamored with Tua?
He’s looked human against good defenses.
Washington is dropping 7 and 8, of course he’s going to have time.
I've been wondering this same thing. Seems many are enamoured with Tua but knock Haskins. Anyone willing to chime in how their situations are different or how their traits/skills are significantly different? I'm personally worried about Tua's durability.
Peyton, Elway, and the immortal Trent Dilfer are the only QB top 10 picks to win a SB in the last 18-20 years. Dilfer is obviously an outlier in that group.
Flacco, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Warner, Brad Johnson all taken outside top 10 in Round 1 and later.
Trent Dilfer was taken 6th in his draft year. Just saying (not to scare anyone).
There is no way anyone can get a read on this guy Â
when he gets absolutely no pressure and has all day to look around to find a wr. Dak Prescott looked with the Cowboys a couple of seasons ago when he had all day to throw and now doesn't look all that great. Great Arm good accuracy but I wouldn't touch him with the sixth pick. Without seeing this guy play with pressure its nothing more than a crap shoot.
As far as we can tell he’s got the physical talent. What gives me pause is his lack of experience. There’s a long way to go before April. Jones looked great too in his bowl game. Guys emerge every year. The winter will be interesting around here.
Peyton, Elway, and the immortal Trent Dilfer are the only QB top 10 picks to win a SB in the last 18-20 years. Dilfer is obviously an outlier in that group.
Flacco, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Warner, Brad Johnson all taken outside top 10 in Round 1 and later.
Trent Dilfer was taken 6th in his draft year. Just saying (not to scare anyone).
You're right. We should probably pick QBs at 199 or scoop them up as UDFAs and hope that they turn out to be like Brady or Warner. We picked a QB (Webb) in the third round and another (Lauletta) in the fourth, but amazingly those picks have not resulted in titles.
RE: I know there’s Rose Bowl conference tradition Â
But this game should be Ohio State versus Georgia. This is a talent mismatch and that could be a great game to decide the best of the playoff snubs.
Was saying the same thing. Even if they stuck with a 4 team playoff there is no reason the bowls can’t then be 5 vs 6 and 7 vs 8. The actual bowl rules are ridiculous.
If he didn't last year - for a Rb in a perceived historic qb class - he isn't this year. I'm not worried. We will get a pass rusher.
And on Sunshine - yes he looked great against Notre Dame as he has all year .... but that haircut is a red flag man... and in all seriousness, for teams to be willing to tank and go 0-16 for him .,, does anyone have a read on his work ethic, ability to thrive under stress, deficit, media, his passion for gameplanning, etc?
That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.
Nonsense. The best four regular season teams got in. Sometimes NFL playoff games end in blowouts too.
I also think far too much time elapses between final game and playoffs in college. ND was flat and overwhelmed by the moment all night... four weeks between games played a part in that.
No, I can't guarantee that. But I would never want to settle on someone just because I am picking at the top of the draft. Especially when there are some ELITE level pass rushers. Don't forget, those are awfully important too and NYG is naked there. I don't want to game the system, too much of your control. But I am just so against picking a QB high because "you're supposed to". That has gotten a lot of teams in trouble AND the best QBs in the NFL have NOT been taken in the top 10.
I'm not saying Haskins fits in to that equation, I am just talking about principle. I'll have my grade on Haskins in March.
The best QBs haven’t been taken in the top 10? Sure Rodgers, Brees and Wilson weren’t, but look around the league at the young crop who are working their way toward the top of the league.
Cam, Stafford and Ryan have been very good QBs and taken in the top 5. Yes there’s elite pass rushers but if they think Haskins is a good enough NFL QB you take him. You can’t predict where you end up in future drafts and if you end up in the teens you’ve screwed yourself either by missing out or trading a bunch of picks for a QB. Conversely if you take Haskins and he has a good year one but you still end up high, you’re getting a kings ransom for the pick.
RE: Gettleman is not reaching for a Qb this year Â
If he didn't last year - for a Rb in a perceived historic qb class - he isn't this year. I'm not worried. We will get a pass rusher.
And on Sunshine - yes he looked great against Notre Dame as he has all year .... but that haircut is a red flag man... and in all seriousness, for teams to be willing to tank and go 0-16 for him .,, does anyone have a read on his work ethic, ability to thrive under stress, deficit, media, his passion for gameplanning, etc?
Lawrence will be a Luck-caliber QB prospect. Everything is top tier, on and off the field.
No, I can't guarantee that. But I would never want to settle on someone just because I am picking at the top of the draft. Especially when there are some ELITE level pass rushers. Don't forget, those are awfully important too and NYG is naked there. I don't want to game the system, too much of your control. But I am just so against picking a QB high because "you're supposed to". That has gotten a lot of teams in trouble AND the best QBs in the NFL have NOT been taken in the top 10.
I'm not saying Haskins fits in to that equation, I am just talking about principle. I'll have my grade on Haskins in March.
The best QBs haven’t been taken in the top 10? Sure Rodgers, Brees and Wilson weren’t, but look around the league at the young crop who are working their way toward the top of the league.
Cam, Stafford and Ryan have been very good QBs and taken in the top 5. Yes there’s elite pass rushers but if they think Haskins is a good enough NFL QB you take him. You can’t predict where you end up in future drafts and if you end up in the teens you’ve screwed yourself either by missing out or trading a bunch of picks for a QB. Conversely if you take Haskins and he has a good year one but you still end up high, you’re getting a kings ransom for the pick.
Just a personal rule. I have to see a guy do it for 2 years before I say "one of the best in the game". Remember Alex Smith looked pretty freaking good playing in that KC offense too. So yes, a few of your names are valid. I'm not saying just wait no matter what, I am simply stating you don't HAVE to get your QB in the top 10 in order to get an elite/very good QB.
Tom Brady. Drew Brees. Aaron Rodgers. Russell Wilson. Derek Carr. Dak Prescott. Jimmy Garroppolo (maybe). Kirk Cousins (maybe).
That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.
Nonsense. The best four regular season teams got in. Sometimes NFL playoff games end in blowouts too.
I also think far too much time elapses between final game and playoffs in college. ND was flat and overwhelmed by the moment all night... four weeks between games played a part in that.
Well I think Georgia was one of the four best teams in the regular season. Better than OU or OSU but the committee thought otherwise and I understand why they went the way they did.
I think Georgia will show how good they are again tonight.
between those with $$$ to spend on resources in CFB and those who don't, will dictate more shit games like this one going forward.
And at QB, the only one who checks the boxes is Jones. He's another Cutcliffe product, probably one of the very few in the draft that has been taught to process the amount of information an NFL QB will need.
That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.
Nonsense. The best four regular season teams got in. Sometimes NFL playoff games end in blowouts too.
I also think far too much time elapses between final game and playoffs in college. ND was flat and overwhelmed by the moment all night... four weeks between games played a part in that.
haskins is a player. even before this game he has been solid. he throws with good accuracy and can def move some to extend plays. this washington defense is pretty damn good too. you have to like haskins.
if yo udont want him at 6, slide backk into late first for jones if he is there, i tyhink he is gonna be a solid pro too
Great point
But can you get someone better in 2020?
Is the 4th, 5th best QB on the board in 2020 better then the first QB on the board in 2019?
Shouldn’t that be the question?
If the Giants do not QB now- it has to be because you think you can compete for the playoffs next season and therefore you will have a pick at least in the 15-20 range.
What QB can you get in 2020 at that spot? Will they be a better prospect then Haskins or LOck or Jones?
It’s simoly not possible to think you are better with Eli in 2019 and you will have a shot at Tua or Fromm in 2020. Those 2 things don’t go together.
n comment 14243300 Sy'56 said:
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You people are all waiting for the perfect prospect. Sy - he's going top 10 - you can lock that in.
He may not be perfect, he may not have started 50 games in college. But he throws accurately at all levels, has mobility, and works through progressions. So he has to work on some things and is not a finished product. That means you pass on him? That is a ridiculous evaluation method. Every prospect has something to work on.
If he comes out, I agree he is going top 10.
Question is, do I think I can get a better prospect later? Next year? It's not just about being worthy or not. It's about, do you like someone better?
He may not be perfect, he may not have started 50 games in college. But he throws accurately at all levels, has mobility, and works through progressions. So he has to work on some things and is not a finished product. That means you pass on him? That is a ridiculous evaluation method. Every prospect has something to work on.
Just chill out. There is a long way to go on all teams evaluating QB's, and you really don't have a clue what you are talking about.
I'm not saying Haskins fits in to that equation, I am just talking about principle. I'll have my grade on Haskins in March.
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You people are all waiting for the perfect prospect. Sy - he's going top 10 - you can lock that in.
He may not be perfect, he may not have started 50 games in college. But he throws accurately at all levels, has mobility, and works through progressions. So he has to work on some things and is not a finished product. That means you pass on him? That is a ridiculous evaluation method. Every prospect has something to work on.
Just chill out. There is a long way to go on all teams evaluating QB's, and you really don't have a clue what you are talking about.
No, you don't have a clue what you are talking about, if you think one of these guys is falling to the second round. Do you see what Haskins is doing to one of the best secondaries in all of college football? And you think he might fall to the second round?
PAC-12 Champs = Sarah Jessica Parker of NCAA football 😂
if yo udont want him at 6, slide backk into late first for jones if he is there, i tyhink he is gonna be a solid pro too
Maybe posters should take into account quality of competition before using stats on defenses that are getting lit up.
Good mobility, nice reads, progression, accuracy and solid arm.
He’s looked human against good defenses.
Washington is dropping 7 and 8, of course he’s going to have time.
I've been wondering this same thing. Seems many are enamoured with Tua but knock Haskins. Anyone willing to chime in how their situations are different or how their traits/skills are significantly different? I'm personally worried about Tua's durability.
He’s looked human against good defenses.
Washington is dropping 7 and 8, of course he’s going to have time.
I've been wondering this same thing. Seems many are enamoured with Tua but knock Haskins. Anyone willing to chime in how their situations are different or how their traits/skills are significantly different? I'm personally worried about Tua's durability.
Flacco, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Warner, Brad Johnson all taken outside top 10 in Round 1 and later.
Trent Dilfer was taken 6th in his draft year. Just saying (not to scare anyone).
Haskins looks like he can take a beating, kind of like Roethlisberger in the pocket. If he checked the boxes, I’d support the pick at 6.
This game is really pissing me off. Another reason for an 8-team playoff. Eliminate the pretenders from playing in the big games.
This game is really pissing me off. Another reason for an 8-team playoff. Eliminate the pretenders from playing in the big games.
He’s really bad. Completely agree. It’s time for playoff expansion. This game is just pointless, even as an Ohio State fan, it feels a tad bit empty
Flacco, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Warner, Brad Johnson all taken outside top 10 in Round 1 and later.
Trent Dilfer was taken 6th in his draft year. Just saying (not to scare anyone).
You're right. We should probably pick QBs at 199 or scoop them up as UDFAs and hope that they turn out to be like Brady or Warner. We picked a QB (Webb) in the third round and another (Lauletta) in the fourth, but amazingly those picks have not resulted in titles.
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Absolutely correct.
Was saying the same thing. Even if they stuck with a 4 team playoff there is no reason the bowls can’t then be 5 vs 6 and 7 vs 8. The actual bowl rules are ridiculous.
Then they shouldn't have given up a combined 100 points to Purdue and Maryland.
And on Sunshine - yes he looked great against Notre Dame as he has all year .... but that haircut is a red flag man... and in all seriousness, for teams to be willing to tank and go 0-16 for him .,, does anyone have a read on his work ethic, ability to thrive under stress, deficit, media, his passion for gameplanning, etc?
Lock was under 50% against Georgia and SC. Fair enough. Those were not great showings.
On the other had, do you want to compare the talent around Luck to the talent around Haskins?
Let's ask Sy, for kicks since he is neutral, who has more pro prospects on their current offensive squads? Missouri or Ohio State.
Nonsense. The best four regular season teams got in. Sometimes NFL playoff games end in blowouts too.
I also think far too much time elapses between final game and playoffs in college. ND was flat and overwhelmed by the moment all night... four weeks between games played a part in that.
I'm not saying Haskins fits in to that equation, I am just talking about principle. I'll have my grade on Haskins in March.
The best QBs haven’t been taken in the top 10? Sure Rodgers, Brees and Wilson weren’t, but look around the league at the young crop who are working their way toward the top of the league.
Mahomes - 10th
Goff - 1st
Baker - 1st
Wentz when healthy - 2nd
Luck 1st
Cam, Stafford and Ryan have been very good QBs and taken in the top 5. Yes there’s elite pass rushers but if they think Haskins is a good enough NFL QB you take him. You can’t predict where you end up in future drafts and if you end up in the teens you’ve screwed yourself either by missing out or trading a bunch of picks for a QB. Conversely if you take Haskins and he has a good year one but you still end up high, you’re getting a kings ransom for the pick.
And on Sunshine - yes he looked great against Notre Dame as he has all year .... but that haircut is a red flag man... and in all seriousness, for teams to be willing to tank and go 0-16 for him .,, does anyone have a read on his work ethic, ability to thrive under stress, deficit, media, his passion for gameplanning, etc?
Lawrence will be a Luck-caliber QB prospect. Everything is top tier, on and off the field.
Disagree. Washington is terrible. Thus game just reinforces the fact that the Pac-12 shouldn't have a free pass to the Rose Bowl.
The best teams should be playing in these games. Not a three - loss pretender from a lousy conference.
In comment 14243320 dep026 said:
Maybe posters should take into account quality of competition before using stats on defenses that are getting lit up.
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No, I can't guarantee that. But I would never want to settle on someone just because I am picking at the top of the draft. Especially when there are some ELITE level pass rushers. Don't forget, those are awfully important too and NYG is naked there. I don't want to game the system, too much of your control. But I am just so against picking a QB high because "you're supposed to". That has gotten a lot of teams in trouble AND the best QBs in the NFL have NOT been taken in the top 10.
I'm not saying Haskins fits in to that equation, I am just talking about principle. I'll have my grade on Haskins in March.
The best QBs haven’t been taken in the top 10? Sure Rodgers, Brees and Wilson weren’t, but look around the league at the young crop who are working their way toward the top of the league.
Mahomes - 10th
Goff - 1st
Baker - 1st
Wentz when healthy - 2nd
Luck 1st
Cam, Stafford and Ryan have been very good QBs and taken in the top 5. Yes there’s elite pass rushers but if they think Haskins is a good enough NFL QB you take him. You can’t predict where you end up in future drafts and if you end up in the teens you’ve screwed yourself either by missing out or trading a bunch of picks for a QB. Conversely if you take Haskins and he has a good year one but you still end up high, you’re getting a kings ransom for the pick.
Just a personal rule. I have to see a guy do it for 2 years before I say "one of the best in the game". Remember Alex Smith looked pretty freaking good playing in that KC offense too. So yes, a few of your names are valid. I'm not saying just wait no matter what, I am simply stating you don't HAVE to get your QB in the top 10 in order to get an elite/very good QB.
Tom Brady. Drew Brees. Aaron Rodgers. Russell Wilson. Derek Carr. Dak Prescott. Jimmy Garroppolo (maybe). Kirk Cousins (maybe).
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That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.
Nonsense. The best four regular season teams got in. Sometimes NFL playoff games end in blowouts too.
I also think far too much time elapses between final game and playoffs in college. ND was flat and overwhelmed by the moment all night... four weeks between games played a part in that.
Well I think Georgia was one of the four best teams in the regular season. Better than OU or OSU but the committee thought otherwise and I understand why they went the way they did.
I think Georgia will show how good they are again tonight.
In comment 14243351 bw in dc said:
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Against some of the best defenses his completion% was under 50. Stop with the Lock nonsense.
Lock was under 50% against Georgia and SC. Fair enough. Those were not great showings.
On the other had, do you want to compare the talent around Luck to the talent around Haskins?
Let's ask Sy, for kicks since he is neutral, who has more pro prospects on their current offensive squads? Missouri or Ohio State.
And at QB, the only one who checks the boxes is Jones. He's another Cutcliffe product, probably one of the very few in the draft that has been taught to process the amount of information an NFL QB will need.
His red flag should only be medical/durability.
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That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.
Nonsense. The best four regular season teams got in. Sometimes NFL playoff games end in blowouts too.
I also think far too much time elapses between final game and playoffs in college. ND was flat and overwhelmed by the moment all night... four weeks between games played a part in that.
I think OSU beats Oklahoma.
In comment 14243319 BleedBlue said:
if yo udont want him at 6, slide backk into late first for jones if he is there, i tyhink he is gonna be a solid pro too
Lol
In comment 14243369 Sy'56 said:
what you're talking about