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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/1/2019 4:59 pm
I thought I'd start a new thread for this game since I'm sure a lot of us want to see Haskins. Also, The Snake is 'retiring' after this game to teach leadership courses in Columbus.
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I think someone just asked  
Sy'56 : 1/1/2019 7:58 pm : link
who has more offense NFL prospects, Ohio State vs Missouri

Actually a tough call. Right now, OSU gets the edge.

But I think the upside of a couple Mizzou guys is higher. Also think the Mizzou system is more QB friendly.

If the debate is Haskins vs Lock....Haskins for me.
I'm an ND homer and half in the bag...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/1/2019 7:58 pm : link
But that 30 3 score wasn't indicative of this ND team. A lot went wrong late in the 2nd quarter. Not saying they're up there with Clemson (obviously) or Bama, but they're a top team.
RE: The gap  
ajr2456 : 1/1/2019 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14243367 BigBlueCane said:
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between those with $$$ to spend on resources in CFB and those who don't, will dictate more shit games like this one going forward.

And at QB, the only one who checks the boxes is Jones. He's another Cutcliffe product, probably one of the very few in the draft that has been taught to process the amount of information an NFL QB will need.

His red flag should only be medical/durability.


I think the Cutcliffe connection is over blown.

Six quarterbacks whom Cutcliffe coached in college have gone on to play in the NFL: Heath Shuler, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Erik Ainge, Thaddeus Lewis, and Sean Renfree.

When you take out the Mannings, who were probably going to be good QBs no matter what, the list is very unimpressive.
RE: There is no way anyone can get a read on this guy  
Dutch77 : 1/1/2019 7:59 pm : link
How do most QBís look with pressure. You canít evaluate him because he doesnít get pressured? Really

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when he gets absolutely no pressure and has all day to look around to find a wr. Dak Prescott looked with the Cowboys a couple of seasons ago when he had all day to throw and now doesn't look all that great. Great Arm good accuracy but I wouldn't touch him with the sixth pick. Without seeing this guy play with pressure its nothing more than a crap shoot.
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 1/1/2019 8:00 pm : link
In comment 14243373 Sammo85 said:
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What are your thoughts on DreíMont Jones as a prospect and NFL transition?


He is excellent. He can win with initial movement, agility is elite. The he can finish with his speed and power.

Don't love him against the run, especially as a stay at home defender which no matter that, will come in to play here and there.

1st rounder, likely a top 20 guy. He is actually a guy NYG could use but he won't be a top 6 guy and he won't be there in round 2.
RE: RE: There is no way anyone can get a read on this guy  
B in ALB : 1/1/2019 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14243380 Dutch77 said:
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How do most QBís look with pressure. You canít evaluate him because he doesnít get pressured? Really

In comment 14243327 Chip said:


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when he gets absolutely no pressure and has all day to look around to find a wr. Dak Prescott looked with the Cowboys a couple of seasons ago when he had all day to throw and now doesn't look all that great. Great Arm good accuracy but I wouldn't touch him with the sixth pick. Without seeing this guy play with pressure its nothing more than a crap shoot.



You have to stop with this Bullshit.

Your post goes UNDERNEATH the quote so people know wtf you're replying to!
Dutch  
Sy'56 : 1/1/2019 8:02 pm : link
You're struggling man. All due respect. I'm trying to read what you're saying but you're doing it wrong.
RE: RE: Gettleman is not reaching for a Qb this year  
Dutch77 : 1/1/2019 8:04 pm : link
If Gettlemen waits one more year to draft a QB with another top 10 pick, heíll be fired.


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If he didn't last year - for a Rb in a perceived historic qb class - he isn't this year. I'm not worried. We will get a pass rusher.

And on Sunshine - yes he looked great against Notre Dame as he has all year .... but that haircut is a red flag man... and in all seriousness, for teams to be willing to tank and go 0-16 for him .,, does anyone have a read on his work ethic, ability to thrive under stress, deficit, media, his passion for gameplanning, etc?



Lawrence will be a Luck-caliber QB prospect. Everything is top tier, on and off the field.
The  
Jon in NYC : 1/1/2019 8:04 pm : link
best part of this Dutch thing is he's going out of his way to do it incorrectly.
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MetsAreBack : 1/1/2019 8:05 pm : link
In comment 14243363 Eman11 said:
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That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.



Nonsense. The best four regular season teams got in. Sometimes NFL playoff games end in blowouts too.

I also think far too much time elapses between final game and playoffs in college. ND was flat and overwhelmed by the moment all night... four weeks between games played a part in that.



Well I think Georgia was one of the four best teams in the regular season. Better than OU or OSU but the committee thought otherwise and I understand why they went the way they did.

I think Georgia will show how good they are again tonight.


See, I put no weight on how they perform tonight against a mediocre Texas team. Bowls are pageantry for the most part - a month between games, little motivation, pro prospects skip games, etc

They lost two games in a year 7 teams lost 0 or 1. The SEC east was weak. Their out of conference schedule was laughable. Only quality win all year was Florida on a neutral field.

They should be top 4 ... on paper they are... but aside from playing Alabama close but no cigar... they needed to do more.

Next year they at least have notre Dame on their OOC and the sec east should be better
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Eman11 : 1/1/2019 8:06 pm : link
In comment 14243368 dep026 said:
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That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.



Nonsense. The best four regular season teams got in. Sometimes NFL playoff games end in blowouts too.

I also think far too much time elapses between final game and playoffs in college. ND was flat and overwhelmed by the moment all night... four weeks between games played a part in that.



I think OSU beats Oklahoma.


I think they could too but I wouldn't bet on it. After seeing what Purdue and Maryland put up on them, I'd be inclined to think OU would do at least the same and I'm not sure OSU could keep up.

I think it would be a fun game to see though, but I also think Georgia would beat both.
If I had to pick something  
Sy'56 : 1/1/2019 8:07 pm : link
Haskins comes way back down to earth when he has pressure coming at his feet.
Sy  
WillVAB : 1/1/2019 8:12 pm : link
Did you check out the Kentucky game?

What did you think of Allen?
Washington scoring a couple TDs  
Sy'56 : 1/1/2019 8:13 pm : link
will cause many to say, "See? It was just a bad start to the game" similar to those that touted Kyler Murray for having a "good game" against Alabama
RE: Dutch77  
Dutch77 : 1/1/2019 8:14 pm : link
In comment 14243371 B in ALB said:
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What are you doing with the quote feature? Holy shit. Is it really that difficult?


Thatís what bothers you? How Iím misusing the quote feature? My apologies to the grammar police.
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 1/1/2019 8:14 pm : link
In comment 14243400 WillVAB said:
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Did you check out the Kentucky game?

What did you think of Allen?


Not until later in the week. Miss State vs Iowa was my day game.

I'm high on Allen, not top 5 yet like some are. But I still have 4-5 games of his to see.
RE: RE: Only thing this is showing is  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/1/2019 8:17 pm : link
In comment 14243348 Jon in NYC said:
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That Ohio State should have been the 1 loss team in the playoffs.



Then they shouldn't have given up a combined 100 points to Purdue and Maryland.
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In NCAA Football, where offense rules the day, I donít care if you give up a 100 points. These teams start copycatting offensive philosophies and spread uptempo RPO teams score on most defenses.

It happens.

OU played real poorly against Army. They didnít give up a ton of points but they should have mopped the floor with them if they were anywhere in Bamaís league.

Ohio State is a known commodity with the talent and depth to match Bama. I hate making this argument, but itís true.
RE: Eli  
mattyblue : 1/1/2019 8:18 pm : link
In comment 14243326 Sammo85 said:
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Peyton, Elway, and the immortal Trent Dilfer are the only QB top 10 picks to win a SB in the last 18-20 years. Dilfer is obviously an outlier in that group.

Flacco, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Warner, Brad Johnson all taken outside top 10 in Round 1 and later.

Trent Dilfer was taken 6th in his draft year. Just saying (not to scare anyone).


Itís a much different game now than it was. I think you will see more and more QBs going top 10 as the rules favor safety more and more. The rules have drastically increased the value of QBs.
RE: RE: Dutch77  
B in ALB : 1/1/2019 8:18 pm : link
In comment 14243402 Dutch77 said:
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What are you doing with the quote feature? Holy shit. Is it really that difficult?



Thatís what bothers you? How Iím misusing the quote feature? My apologies to the grammar police.


It's not about grammar. The formatting you've caused is making it difficult to read your posts.
RE: RE: RE: There is no way anyone can get a read on this guy  
Dutch77 : 1/1/2019 8:19 pm : link
In comment 14243383 B in ALB said:
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How do most QBís look with pressure. You canít evaluate him because he doesnít get pressured? Really

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when he gets absolutely no pressure and has all day to look around to find a wr. Dak Prescott looked with the Cowboys a couple of seasons ago when he had all day to throw and now doesn't look all that great. Great Arm good accuracy but I wouldn't touch him with the sixth pick. Without seeing this guy play with pressure its nothing more than a crap shoot.





You have to stop with this Bullshit.

Your post goes UNDERNEATH the quote so people know wtf you're replying to!




Can you not read either way? Youíre fucking ridiculous.
Ohio State  
B in ALB : 1/1/2019 8:20 pm : link
Completely off the gas pedal here.

They all come down with Urban Meyer headaches at the same time?
RE: RE: RE: RE: There is no way anyone can get a read on this guy  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/1/2019 8:21 pm : link
In comment 14243410 Dutch77 said:
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In comment 14243380 Dutch77 said:


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How do most QBís look with pressure. You canít evaluate him because he doesnít get pressured? Really

In comment 14243327 Chip said:


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when he gets absolutely no pressure and has all day to look around to find a wr. Dak Prescott looked with the Cowboys a couple of seasons ago when he had all day to throw and now doesn't look all that great. Great Arm good accuracy but I wouldn't touch him with the sixth pick. Without seeing this guy play with pressure its nothing more than a crap shoot.





You have to stop with this Bullshit.

Your post goes UNDERNEATH the quote so people know wtf you're replying to!





Can you not read either way? Youíre fucking ridiculous.


Nah dude your acting like a total jackass. Just chill out. The good thing is you figured it out and we can understand what your trying to say now.

Just relax and have a civil convo.
RE: I think someone just asked  
bw in dc : 1/1/2019 8:22 pm : link
In comment 14243376 Sy'56 said:
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who has more offense NFL prospects, Ohio State vs Missouri

Actually a tough call. Right now, OSU gets the edge.

But I think the upside of a couple Mizzou guys is higher. Also think the Mizzou system is more QB friendly.

If the debate is Haskins vs Lock....Haskins for me.


Tough call? Where?

Ohio State's WR core has more interesting prospects with Campbell, Hill, and McLauren

Prince and Jordan are top ten prospects at their OL spots.

And Dobbins and Weber are a better RBs prospects than Rountee et al.

That's why I think Lock has done more with less.
RE: Dutch  
Dutch77 : 1/1/2019 8:23 pm : link
In comment 14243384 Sy'56 said:
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You're struggling man. All due respect. I'm trying to read what you're saying but you're doing it wrong.


No disrespect Sy, Iíll make the adjustment but seriously, is it that hard to followreading my comment to the original post 1st?
Horsecollar?  
B in ALB : 1/1/2019 8:23 pm : link
Would like to get a better look at that.
RE: The  
Dutch77 : 1/1/2019 8:24 pm : link
In comment 14243390 Jon in NYC said:
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best part of this Dutch thing is he's going out of his way to do it incorrectly.


I am because Im sure everyone can read.
Punting there  
MookGiants : 1/1/2019 8:25 pm : link
after calling a timeout is one of the dumbest things ive ever seen.

Punting it there makes no sense on any level. What the fuck is wrong with some of these coaches.
What the hell just happened?  
Eman11 : 1/1/2019 8:26 pm : link
Washington calls a TO only to punt, down two scores with under five minutes left?

Punting was bad enough but wasting a TO as well? Double head scratcher for me there.
What are these coaches doing  
WillVAB : 1/1/2019 8:26 pm : link
Washington punting down 11 and OSU still throwing.
Even if you don't get it  
MookGiants : 1/1/2019 8:27 pm : link
if you stop them 3 and out they kick a field goal and it's still a 2 score game.

These guys are getting paid millions of dollars. You can't fuck up like that. Call a timeout and then punt, down 2 scores with 4 minutes to go. Horrendous
RE: RE: Dutch  
Eman11 : 1/1/2019 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14243418 Dutch77 said:
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You're struggling man. All due respect. I'm trying to read what you're saying but you're doing it wrong.



No disrespect Sy, Iíll make the adjustment but seriously, is it that hard to followreading my comment to the original post 1st?


No disrespect here either but yes it is.

Think of it this way...you answer a question after its asked no? I think responding to a post or quoting one follows the same line of thinking.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: There is no way anyone can get a read on this guy  
Dutch77 : 1/1/2019 8:31 pm : link
In comment 14243415 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14243383 B in ALB said:


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How do most QBís look with pressure. You canít evaluate him because he doesnít get pressured? Really

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when he gets absolutely no pressure and has all day to look around to find a wr. Dak Prescott looked with the Cowboys a couple of seasons ago when he had all day to throw and now doesn't look all that great. Great Arm good accuracy but I wouldn't touch him with the sixth pick. Without seeing this guy play with pressure its nothing more than a crap shoot.





You have to stop with this Bullshit.

Your post goes UNDERNEATH the quote so people know wtf you're replying to!





Can you not read either way? Youíre fucking ridiculous.



Nah dude your acting like a total jackass. Just chill out. The good thing is you figured it out and we can understand what your trying to say now.

Just relax and have a civil convo.


You want me to be civil while youíre bitching about my formatting and calling me a jackass right. Fuck off.
Jackass  
B in ALB : 1/1/2019 8:35 pm : link
People being nice about a simple thing. Fuckwad decides to lash out.
RE: RE: I think someone just asked  
Sy'56 : 1/1/2019 8:38 pm : link
In comment 14243416 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14243376 Sy'56 said:


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who has more offense NFL prospects, Ohio State vs Missouri

Actually a tough call. Right now, OSU gets the edge.

But I think the upside of a couple Mizzou guys is higher. Also think the Mizzou system is more QB friendly.

If the debate is Haskins vs Lock....Haskins for me.



Tough call? Where?

Ohio State's WR core has more interesting prospects with Campbell, Hill, and McLauren

Prince and Jordan are top ten prospects at their OL spots.

And Dobbins and Weber are a better RBs prospects than Rountee et al.

That's why I think Lock has done more with less.


Mizzou WR Hall and TE Okwuegbunam may be the 2 best skill players if you combined the teams.

RBs Crockett and Rountree are same-level.

Mizz passing scheme has been simpler to play in
Just this game alone...  
bw in dc : 1/1/2019 8:40 pm : link
Iíve been more impressed today with Browning more than Haskins.

Has made more positive plays under duress with an undermanned offensive personnel.
Hey Dep  
twostepgiants : 1/1/2019 8:40 pm : link
Its a single score game now

This one is "close" and "competitive" right?
RE: Hey Dep  
dep026 : 1/1/2019 8:42 pm : link
In comment 14243441 twostepgiants said:
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Its a single score game now

This one is "close" and "competitive" right?


Youíre thinking of the wrong poster again. Youíre ringing in the new year as bad as last years.
A real blowout, Pac 12 sucks, BBI gets one right  
Stan in LA : 1/1/2019 8:44 pm : link
Oh wait...
Pac 12 does suck  
MookGiants : 1/1/2019 8:47 pm : link
That game was only close because Ohio State took their foot off the gas pedal.

Someone also needs to explain to me how the last touchdown wasnt overturned, but the Notre Dame fumble on the kickoff was.

The inconsistency of replay is fucking annoying. ND wasn't winning regardless but they got fucking screwed on that replay
It is amazing sometimes  
Sammo85 : 1/1/2019 8:49 pm : link
how much money these coaches make and how dumb they become in games.
RE: RE: Hey Dep  
twostepgiants : 1/1/2019 8:50 pm : link

after 3 quarters. We may have played like shit on offense.... but is that not a winnable game? Even if you take account their FG into the 4th. It was 13-6. One score game with the ball in the 4th.

That is the utter definition of close/winnable game.


In comment 14243444 dep026 said:
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In comment 14243441 twostepgiants said:


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Its a single score game now

This one is "close" and "competitive" right?



Youíre thinking of the wrong poster again. Youíre ringing in the new year as bad as last years.
Yep a 10-6 score after 3  
dep026 : 1/1/2019 8:53 pm : link
And a 13-6 score with 14:00 left is a winnable game too.

I mean I can see how stupid you are seeing these two games as the same. Holy shit, you are the fucking worst.
RE: A real blowout, Pac 12 sucks, BBI gets one right  
B in ALB : 1/1/2019 8:55 pm : link
In comment 14243446 Stan in LA said:
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Oh wait...


Shit you're a moron sometimes, Stan. I admire your consistency in terms of sticking with your opinions no matter what.

But the Pac-12 and west coast football are jokes right now. A three win Washington team gets the Rose Bowl because of conference affiliation. Nothing else.
RE: Yep a 10-6 score after 3  
twostepgiants : 1/1/2019 8:56 pm : link
Im mocking you


In comment 14243465 dep026 said:
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And a 13-6 score with 14:00 left is a winnable game too.

I mean I can see how stupid you are seeing these two games as the same. Holy shit, you are the fucking worst.
Meanwhile Texas marches right down the field to lead 7-0  
PatersonPlank : 1/1/2019 8:57 pm : link
.
No you arent  
dep026 : 1/1/2019 8:58 pm : link
Youíre just looking foolish and not even close to being funny.

Yet you arenít even smart enough to work the quote feature... so itís not surprising.
RE: Yep a 10-6 score after 3  
twostepgiants : 1/1/2019 8:58 pm : link
Am i the worst? How do you judge over the other 1000 posters you insult and curse out?

In comment 14243465 dep026 said:
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And a 13-6 score with 14:00 left is a winnable game too.

I mean I can see how stupid you are seeing these two games as the same. Holy shit, you are the fucking worst.
You and Les  
dep026 : 1/1/2019 9:00 pm : link
Are definitely in the running. I should have said one of the two worst. Apologies.
RE: Just this game alone...  
Kyle in NY : 1/1/2019 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14243439 bw in dc said:
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Iíve been more impressed today with Browning more than Haskins.

Has made more positive plays under duress with an undermanned offensive personnel.


Browning was terrible. We get it, Haskins has great talent around him. Now youíve just taken this narrative too far
RE: You and Les  
twostepgiants : 1/1/2019 9:08 pm : link
Well, dont let me keep you. Im sure theres a poster out there who thinks Eli needs to go out there and is in desperate need of you cursing him out.

In comment 14243478 dep026 said:
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Are definitely in the running. I should have said one of the two worst. Apologies.
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